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"Henry Pym" is also the name of an actual historical figure in the English Civil War.
Sources:
(I had to add a lot of keyword exclusions before I saw those pages near the top of a Google search for "Henry Pym": "-marvel -wasp -avengers -giantman -comic")
Would this really merit a disambiguation page here, though?
Need to update this for disassembled arc...
This phrase appears no less than eight times throughout this article, all but one of which are needless. I don't know whether the person who wrote it was having a laugh or trying to make some oblique point about spousal abuse, but either way it doesn't look suitable for an encyclopedia entry.
Blimey, someone changed that quickly.
This article is full of one person's biased take on the character in certain places, and should be edited to a higher level of quality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.33.118.188 ( talk • contribs)
Currently Ant-Man redirects here. I think it is time for a change. Let's make separate articles for Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Goliath (comics) and Yellowjacket (comics) and have them redirect here as needed. Luis Dantas 14:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Where has it ever been mentioned that Pym was an atheist? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.164.237.106 ( talk) 18:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC).
the current picture of pym is that of his yellowjacket identity. i am pretty sure from what i have read during the civil war that he is back to useing his giant man identity. lets there thus find a recent image of pym in costume without haveing picture reverting war?
um do we know if that is pym in MA#5 or is that a guess? Phoenix741 23:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
someone can put a little note about Maria/MODAM ? ( see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MODOK ) ? 88.149.170.148 18:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed the description of Pym's 100-foot tall strength level. I think it is inappropriate (not to mention inaccurate) to say that he is capable of lifting 50 tons at this height. It is my understanding that this is a "Marvel Universe Handbook" type of description, which wikipedia tries to avoid. More importantly, it is silly to think that a human figure of this stature could only lift 50 tons. A man of that size would surely weigh thousands of tons all by himself. Hank would have to be capable of moving at least that much weight just to get around. It would be like saying a 6-foot tall man is only capable of lifting a gallon of milk and nothing more. I am not a particularly big fan of this character, so it's not as if I'm just trying to make him sound more powerful. I changed the strength level to "immeasurable superhuman strength," but it should probably just be changed to "great superhuman strength" or something like that. Sadaharuo 00:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I removed this: This Ant Man may be named after Stan Lee with a g in the end of the Stan. Stang Lee doesn't have the ability to talk to ants, but he can shrink down. He appears to help the Fantastic Four against the Psi-lord ( Franklin Richards). Two reasons: firstly, I can find no online evidence of Stang Lee appearing in any book, and secondly, if he does exist, he should probably be on the Alternates section of the main Ant-Man page. Daibhid C 21:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else think it shows him in the worst light possible. I mean being kicked from the avengers is a big thing, but it is not his defining quality. Could we change it back to the other pic, or find one that makes him look more like a hero, which everyone(in the marvel U) sees him as. Phoenix741 (Talk Page) 03:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian 03:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian 11:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
This does go back to my orinignal problem. Of it not being well representative of Hank Pym. Phoenix741 (Talk Page) 15:56, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Image:Avengers_Initiavive_number_1.jpeg NYCTommy 19:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian 20:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 15:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 08:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 20:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Phoenix741 (Talk Page) 20:48, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 21:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 22:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian 03:46, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
In line with the clean-up, I'm culling the Ultimates image as it really doesn't offer much and the emphasis should be on the mainstream version. There are far better Avengers covers that feature he and Jan in action. Nod to Tenebrae for the help on the PH. FCB yet to be revamped with sources as now looking far less like a fan site and an actual Wiki entry.
Asgardian 06:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
According to BusinessWeek, Henry Pym is listed as one of the top ten most intelligent fictional characters in American comics. Smartest Superheroes Bookkeeperoftheoccult ( talk) 09:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
There is still a link within the article to "Successors", but no section with that title. However, I didn't edit, as I was unsure whether the correct move was to recreate this section, or delete the reference. My instinct would be to recreate the section. -- 66.11.205.149 ( talk) 19:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Can we please discuss the continued deletion of sourced information, complete with link to interview with the film's director, of the upcoming Ant Man film? One user appears obsessed with "culling" this as "speculation". In fact, it has been reported in numerous mainstream new sources and references have only increased with the information coming out about the other planned Avengers films. The current text makes it clear that there is no planned release date, but everything else is factual and this has been added to the article by more than one user, which I would argue is consensus. If Asgardian has an issue with these, he should discuss here before reverting the work of others again. NYCTommy ( talk) 23:43, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
As for Film, I've reworked it to read what can be claimed. Just the facts, without tidbits and irrelevant updates, such as there's now a 2nd, 3rd, ect script and someone scratched their nose. The articles state the project has been greenlit, and work is underway. That's enough until there's firm information re: castings etc. By the by, the director will also probably change.
Regards
Asgardian ( talk) 10:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
While the previous editor is correct in that leads s.b. more than a single paragraph (as indeed it is at Batman, for example), the new, longer lead was more filled with minutiae than written as an overview, and as written in conversational and not encyclopedic tone, among other problems. I support Asgardian's reversion. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 20:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 23:10, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject. Comics-awb ( talk) 16:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Criti Noll is minor Skrull character that has been killed off. This article contains duplicate copy and paste material from the Hank Pym itself, and i see no reason why they need to be separated as Wikipedia is not a guidebook to every character in the Marvel Universe.. Also the time in which Criti Noll took over as Hank Pym is in debate as the Mighty Avengers #15 issue which saw Pym get replaced did not specifically state the name of the Skrull who replaced him. It was not until Avengers: The Initiative #14 that the name Criti Noll was given and in the most recent issue of Mighty Avengers it was stated that Criti Noll was not the first Skrull to replace Pym. --- Paulley ( talk) 15:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 06:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Pym was replaced by a skrull at this point, as it was shown within the the MA issue.. there is no reason to take it out of the SI section. The only question being raised is whether or not that skrull was Criti Noll.. as there is no evidence to prove either way when cant add that it was that Skrull. However, he was replaced by a Skrull at this time making it and everything after that point in continuity part of the Secret Invasion until proved otherwise. Crit Noll however, has been shown and stated to be the Skrull impersonator during his time in Camp Hammond. --- Paulley ( talk) 09:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 02:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
-- Paulley ( talk) 22:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Well we are in the D of BRD and this time it is the lead, recently removed [2]. Personally I think it was a good effort and by its very nature it "repeats info from FCB" because the lead should be "a concise overview" of the topic. The article is a long one and probably deserves 3 or 4 paragraphs to provide the necessary information. So what was added was better than not having it and while it may need some work to hammer into shape I think it should be restored. Opinions? ( Emperor ( talk) 03:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC))
Asgardian ( talk) 03:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 04:25, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 07:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 03:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Also some disappointing assumptions about my conduct. To my understanding, he has a point. I've seen you trimming articles without trying to talk it out first. Believe it or not, removals aren't always necessary to follow wikipedia standards. Antiyonder ( talk) 03:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 03:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
OK as I had it in mind I thought I'd do a quick run through it (good practice as I need to get to grips with writing better leads as we push more articles on beyond B). It is pretty quick and dirty and I'm not 100% happy with it but it touches on the key elements to his story and when/where he used various names as well as touches on his broader influence across the Marvel Universe.
Dr. Henry "Hank" Pym is a fictional character that appears in comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character first appears in Tales to Astonish #27 (Jan. 1962) and was created by editor and plotter Stan Lee, scripter Larry Lieber and penciler Jack Kirby.
Pym is shown discovering the size-changing Pym particles which, when combined with various inventions, provide him with the abilities he needs to adopt a superhero persona. Pym's character first began as a one-shot story in the Tales to Astonish series, titled "The Man in the Ant Hill" when he accidentally shrank himself down to ant-size. He would return in his own ongoing series adopting the name Ant-Man, who would later be teamed with love-interest Janet van Dyne, The Wasp. Pym would go on to join The Avengers as Giant-Man but he and Janet eventually retired, with Pym returning, as Goliath, to save the Wasp from The Collector.
The character would then become darker after an accident drove him mad. He adopted the alias Yellowjacket and retained it as he recovered and relapsed over the years, before again retiring. He would return as an advisor to the West Coast Avengers, eventually shedding the costumes and alter egos. In the Secret Invasion storyline it was revealed that Pym was a Skrull impostor and the actual character's whereabouts are currently unknown.
As well as having an important role in the Avengers his scientific work has been shown to be influential in the wider Marvel Universe. The Pym particles have been the source of powers for a number of superheroes and villains who often adopt one of Pym's aliases, including Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Goliath and Yellowjacket. Equally his scientific abilities have led to numerous inventions, most notably Ultron, a character who would eventually go on to create others like the Vision, as well as the Phalanx who would be the main threat in Annihilation: Conquest.
The character of Henry Pym has also played a role in other alternate future's of the Marvel Universe. He has also appeared in a range of media including a video game, action figures, television, and animated films. A live-action film about his character, Ant-Man, is currently in the works, to be directed by Edgar Wright.
I'd not advocate going with this but offer it more as an extension of what I was getting at above and it may give others ideas on which direction they'd want to take things. I've started a subsection to try to keep things straight and less confusion. ( Emperor ( talk) 16:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC))
Dr. Henry "Hank" Pym is a fictional character that appears in comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character first appears in Tales to Astonish #27 (Jan. 1962) and was created by editor and plotter Stan Lee, scripter Larry Lieber and penciler Jack Kirby.
Pym's character first began as a one-shot story in the Tales to Astonish series, titled "The Man in the Ant Hill", in which he successfully shrinks himself to the size of an ant. The character of Pym was later brought back to the series, this time as a regular feature, and given the name Ant-Man, a superhero whom can shrink down to the size of an ant. Janet van Dyne, whom would be better known as The Wasp, became his sidekick after a few adventures. The two would gradually fall in love later on in the series. Pym then joined The Avengers.
Pym has changed into more than one costumed persona. He later decided to take on the identity of Giant-Man, preferring strength over being shrunken. After rescuing Janet from the villain The Collector, he decided to become Goliath, in which his size grew to gigantic proportions. After an accident involving Pym inhaling gasses, he became schizophrenic. This led to him taking on the role of Yellowjacket, kidnapping Jan, and getting married to her in the process.
After he is finally brought back to his senses, the two decide to stay married, and Pym retains the role of Yellowjacket. However, Pym and Janet would later divorce, after he strikes her during a mental breakdown. After being framed by his old foe Egghead, Pym is sent to prison, but later freed after he is proven innocent. This leads to his retirement from crime-fighting.
Pym's retirement didn't last long, as he would later return as an adviser to the West Coast team of Avengers, in a role similar to Edwin Jarvis' role on the East coast team. Later on, he joined the team as a scientist. This also led to him regaining the friendship of Janet, and a rekindled romance, that has been going on and off. In the Secret Invasion storyline it was revealed that Pym was a Skrull impostor (and has been since the aftermath of Avengers Disassembled,) and the actual character's whereabouts are currently unknown.
The character of Henry Pym has also played a role in other alternate future's of the Marvel Universe. He has been immortalized in a video game, action figures, television, and animated films. A live-action film about his character, Ant-Man, is currently in the works, to be directed by Edgar Wright.
This is a new lead I came up with, after trimming down the plot-type stuff from my lead. I also combined elements of Emperor's lead. Please tell me what you think, everyone!
Dr. Henry "Hank" Pym is a fictional character that appears in comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character first appears in Tales to Astonish #27 (Jan. 1962) and was created by editor and plotter Stan Lee, scripter Larry Lieber and penciler Jack Kirby.
Pym's character first began as a one-shot story in the Tales to Astonish series, titled "The Man in the Ant Hill", in which he successfully shrinks himself to the size of an ant. The character of Pym was later brought back to the series, this time as a regular feature, and given the name Ant-Man, a superhero whom can shrink down to the size of an ant. Janet van Dyne, whom would be better known as The Wasp, became his sidekick after a few adventures. The two would gradually fall in love later on in the series. Pym then joined The Avengers.
Pym has changed into more than one costumed persona. He later decided to take on the identity of Giant-Man, preferring strength over being shrunken. After rescuing Janet from the villain The Collector, he decided to become Goliath, in which his size grew to gigantic proportions. After an accident involving Pym inhaling gasses, he became schizophrenic. This led to him taking on the role of Yellowjacket, kidnapping Jan, and getting married to her in the process.
After he is finally brought back to his senses, the two decide to stay married, and Pym retains the role of Yellowjacket. After being framed by his old foe Egghead, Pym is sent to prison, but later freed after he is proven innocent. This leads to his retirement from crime-fighting. Pym's retirement didn't last long, as he would later return as an adviser (and even later as a team member,) to the West Coast Avengers. In the Secret Invasion storyline it was revealed that Pym was a Skrull impostor (and has been since the aftermath of Avengers Disassembled,) and the actual character's whereabouts are currently unknown.
As well as having an important role in the Avengers his scientific work has been shown to be influential in the wider Marvel Universe. The Pym particles have been the source of powers for a number of superheroes and villains who often adopt one of Pym's aliases, including Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Goliath and Yellowjacket. Equally his scientific abilities have led to numerous inventions, most notably Ultron, a character who would eventually go on to create others like the Vision, as well as the Phalanx who would be the main threat in Annihilation: Conquest.
The character of Henry Pym has also played a role in other alternate future's of the Marvel Universe. He has also appeared in a range of media including a video game, action figures, television, and animated films. A live-action film about his character, Ant-Man, is currently in the works, to be directed by Edgar Wright.
OK try this based on my comments below:
Dr. Henry "Hank" Pym is a fictional character that appears in comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character first appears in "The Man in the Ant Hill", a story in Tales to Astonish #27 (Jan. 1962), and was created by editor and plotter Stan Lee, scripter Larry Lieber and penciler Jack Kirby.
In his first appearance he is shown devising his size-reduction techniques. The character was later brought back to the series, this time as a regular feature, and given the name Ant-Man, a superhero who can shrink down to the size of an ant. Janet van Dyne, better known as The Wasp, became his sidekick after a few adventures and the two would gradually fall in love later on in the series. Pym then joined The Avengers and, while with the group, he adopted the next of his numerous costumed alias, Giant-Man, emphasising strength over subtlety. After rescuing Janet from the villain The Collector, his size grew to gigantic proportions and he assumed the name Goliath. After an accident involving Pym inhaling gasses and becoming schizophrenic, his character took on a darker aspect: adopting the role of Yellowjacket, kidnapping Jan, and marrying her.
After he is finally brought back to his senses, the two remain married, and Pym stays as Yellowjacket. After being framed by his old foe Egghead, Pym is sent to prison, but later freed after he is proven innocent, although this leads to his retirement from crime-fighting. Pym's retirement didn't last long, as he would later return as an adviser (and even later team member), to the West Coast Avengers. In the Secret Invasion storyline it was revealed that Pym was a Skrull impostor (and has been since the aftermath of Avengers Disassembled,) and the actual character's whereabouts are currently unknown.
As well as having an important role in the Avengers, his scientific work has been shown to be influential in the wider Marvel Universe. The Pym particles have been the source of powers for a number of superheroes and villains who often adopt one of Pym's aliases, including Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Goliath and Yellowjacket. Equally his scientific abilities have led to numerous inventions, most notably Ultron, a character who would eventually go on to create others like the Vision, as well as the Phalanx who would be the main threat in Annihilation: Conquest.
The character of Henry Pym has also played a role in other alternate future's of the Marvel Universe. He has also appeared in a range of media including a video game, action figures, television, and animated films. A live-action film about his character, Ant-Man, is currently in the works, to be directed by Edgar Wright.
Obviously it still needs work but I am happier with this version. ( Emperor ( talk) 21:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC))
Personally, I feel that a combination of my lead and Emperor's lead would be very good, as I like some of his stuff, and feel that some of his info and some of my info would look nice combined together, and trimmed down to fit everyone's liking. What does everyone think? CarpetCrawler ( talk) 18:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Pym has appeared under a number of costumed aliases. While with the Avengers, he became Giant-Man, emphasising strength over subtlety. After rescuing Janet from the villain The Collector, his size grew to gigantic proportions and he assumed the name Goliath. After an accident involving Pym inhaling gasses, his character took on a darker aspect: adopting the role of Yellowjacket, kidnapping Jan, and getting married to her in the process.
Equally his scientific abilities have led to numerous inventions, most notably Ultron, a character who would eventually go on to create others like the Vision, as well as the Phalanx who would be the main threat in Annihilation: Conquest.
I tweaked a few minor things, but didn't feel I've been involved enough in this to rewrite the lead more broadly. The biggest issue is that this has grown way too wordy for an introduction. It includes too much detail which belongs instead under fictional character biography or publication history. Also, the lead should not have nearly so much in-universe language. Doczilla STOMP! 19:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 04:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 04:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if one paragraph is necessarily the way to go in all articles, but the article's current lead could use a trim, so long as it does not omit the most salient aspects of the article. Nightscream ( talk) 22:30, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 10:05, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 21:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Pym debuted in the 16-page comic book story called "The Man in the Ant Hill" in the first volume of Tales to Astonish. A simple scientist who successfully shrank himself to the size of an ant, Pym could not grow back to normal until an ant aided him. The story received a positive response from readers (insert source) and Pym returned to the series in a regular feature, and as the costumed "Ant-Man" fights crime as a superhero who can shrink down to the size of an ant. Pym is later given a crime-fighting partner, Janet van Dyne, who becomes the heroine the Wasp and eventually falls in love with Pym.
As Ant-Man, Pym would later join the superhero team the Avengers. Pym undergoes several name and costume changes during this time, going from Ant-Man to Giant-Man to Goliath and finally Yellowjacket. These changes are eventually revealed to be due to mental issues and an eventual breakdown. During the time Pym also accidently creates the Avengers' arch-enemy, a robot called Ultron. Despite a short retirement, Pym returns in civilian guise to assist the newly formed West Coast branch of the Avengers, and despite a suicide attempt eventually rekindles romance with Janet. Pym was recently revealed to be an alien impersonating him, with his current whereabouts unknown.
The character of Henry Pym has featured in other Marvel publications such as graphic novels; animated films and television series and merchandise such as action figures and trading cards. A live-action film featuring the character Ant-Man is currently under development.
Asgardian ( talk) 03:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
By the by, thanks for the award!
Asgardian ( talk) 03:00, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
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"Henry Pym" is also the name of an actual historical figure in the English Civil War.
Sources:
(I had to add a lot of keyword exclusions before I saw those pages near the top of a Google search for "Henry Pym": "-marvel -wasp -avengers -giantman -comic")
Would this really merit a disambiguation page here, though?
Need to update this for disassembled arc...
This phrase appears no less than eight times throughout this article, all but one of which are needless. I don't know whether the person who wrote it was having a laugh or trying to make some oblique point about spousal abuse, but either way it doesn't look suitable for an encyclopedia entry.
Blimey, someone changed that quickly.
This article is full of one person's biased take on the character in certain places, and should be edited to a higher level of quality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.33.118.188 ( talk • contribs)
Currently Ant-Man redirects here. I think it is time for a change. Let's make separate articles for Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Goliath (comics) and Yellowjacket (comics) and have them redirect here as needed. Luis Dantas 14:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Where has it ever been mentioned that Pym was an atheist? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.164.237.106 ( talk) 18:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC).
the current picture of pym is that of his yellowjacket identity. i am pretty sure from what i have read during the civil war that he is back to useing his giant man identity. lets there thus find a recent image of pym in costume without haveing picture reverting war?
um do we know if that is pym in MA#5 or is that a guess? Phoenix741 23:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
someone can put a little note about Maria/MODAM ? ( see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MODOK ) ? 88.149.170.148 18:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed the description of Pym's 100-foot tall strength level. I think it is inappropriate (not to mention inaccurate) to say that he is capable of lifting 50 tons at this height. It is my understanding that this is a "Marvel Universe Handbook" type of description, which wikipedia tries to avoid. More importantly, it is silly to think that a human figure of this stature could only lift 50 tons. A man of that size would surely weigh thousands of tons all by himself. Hank would have to be capable of moving at least that much weight just to get around. It would be like saying a 6-foot tall man is only capable of lifting a gallon of milk and nothing more. I am not a particularly big fan of this character, so it's not as if I'm just trying to make him sound more powerful. I changed the strength level to "immeasurable superhuman strength," but it should probably just be changed to "great superhuman strength" or something like that. Sadaharuo 00:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I removed this: This Ant Man may be named after Stan Lee with a g in the end of the Stan. Stang Lee doesn't have the ability to talk to ants, but he can shrink down. He appears to help the Fantastic Four against the Psi-lord ( Franklin Richards). Two reasons: firstly, I can find no online evidence of Stang Lee appearing in any book, and secondly, if he does exist, he should probably be on the Alternates section of the main Ant-Man page. Daibhid C 21:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else think it shows him in the worst light possible. I mean being kicked from the avengers is a big thing, but it is not his defining quality. Could we change it back to the other pic, or find one that makes him look more like a hero, which everyone(in the marvel U) sees him as. Phoenix741 (Talk Page) 03:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian 03:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian 11:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
This does go back to my orinignal problem. Of it not being well representative of Hank Pym. Phoenix741 (Talk Page) 15:56, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Image:Avengers_Initiavive_number_1.jpeg NYCTommy 19:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian 20:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 15:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 08:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 20:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Phoenix741 (Talk Page) 20:48, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 21:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 22:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Asgardian 03:46, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
In line with the clean-up, I'm culling the Ultimates image as it really doesn't offer much and the emphasis should be on the mainstream version. There are far better Avengers covers that feature he and Jan in action. Nod to Tenebrae for the help on the PH. FCB yet to be revamped with sources as now looking far less like a fan site and an actual Wiki entry.
Asgardian 06:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
According to BusinessWeek, Henry Pym is listed as one of the top ten most intelligent fictional characters in American comics. Smartest Superheroes Bookkeeperoftheoccult ( talk) 09:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
There is still a link within the article to "Successors", but no section with that title. However, I didn't edit, as I was unsure whether the correct move was to recreate this section, or delete the reference. My instinct would be to recreate the section. -- 66.11.205.149 ( talk) 19:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Can we please discuss the continued deletion of sourced information, complete with link to interview with the film's director, of the upcoming Ant Man film? One user appears obsessed with "culling" this as "speculation". In fact, it has been reported in numerous mainstream new sources and references have only increased with the information coming out about the other planned Avengers films. The current text makes it clear that there is no planned release date, but everything else is factual and this has been added to the article by more than one user, which I would argue is consensus. If Asgardian has an issue with these, he should discuss here before reverting the work of others again. NYCTommy ( talk) 23:43, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
As for Film, I've reworked it to read what can be claimed. Just the facts, without tidbits and irrelevant updates, such as there's now a 2nd, 3rd, ect script and someone scratched their nose. The articles state the project has been greenlit, and work is underway. That's enough until there's firm information re: castings etc. By the by, the director will also probably change.
Regards
Asgardian ( talk) 10:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
While the previous editor is correct in that leads s.b. more than a single paragraph (as indeed it is at Batman, for example), the new, longer lead was more filled with minutiae than written as an overview, and as written in conversational and not encyclopedic tone, among other problems. I support Asgardian's reversion. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 20:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 23:10, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject. Comics-awb ( talk) 16:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Criti Noll is minor Skrull character that has been killed off. This article contains duplicate copy and paste material from the Hank Pym itself, and i see no reason why they need to be separated as Wikipedia is not a guidebook to every character in the Marvel Universe.. Also the time in which Criti Noll took over as Hank Pym is in debate as the Mighty Avengers #15 issue which saw Pym get replaced did not specifically state the name of the Skrull who replaced him. It was not until Avengers: The Initiative #14 that the name Criti Noll was given and in the most recent issue of Mighty Avengers it was stated that Criti Noll was not the first Skrull to replace Pym. --- Paulley ( talk) 15:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 06:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Pym was replaced by a skrull at this point, as it was shown within the the MA issue.. there is no reason to take it out of the SI section. The only question being raised is whether or not that skrull was Criti Noll.. as there is no evidence to prove either way when cant add that it was that Skrull. However, he was replaced by a Skrull at this time making it and everything after that point in continuity part of the Secret Invasion until proved otherwise. Crit Noll however, has been shown and stated to be the Skrull impersonator during his time in Camp Hammond. --- Paulley ( talk) 09:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 02:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
-- Paulley ( talk) 22:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Well we are in the D of BRD and this time it is the lead, recently removed [2]. Personally I think it was a good effort and by its very nature it "repeats info from FCB" because the lead should be "a concise overview" of the topic. The article is a long one and probably deserves 3 or 4 paragraphs to provide the necessary information. So what was added was better than not having it and while it may need some work to hammer into shape I think it should be restored. Opinions? ( Emperor ( talk) 03:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC))
Asgardian ( talk) 03:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 04:25, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 07:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 03:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Also some disappointing assumptions about my conduct. To my understanding, he has a point. I've seen you trimming articles without trying to talk it out first. Believe it or not, removals aren't always necessary to follow wikipedia standards. Antiyonder ( talk) 03:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 03:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
OK as I had it in mind I thought I'd do a quick run through it (good practice as I need to get to grips with writing better leads as we push more articles on beyond B). It is pretty quick and dirty and I'm not 100% happy with it but it touches on the key elements to his story and when/where he used various names as well as touches on his broader influence across the Marvel Universe.
Dr. Henry "Hank" Pym is a fictional character that appears in comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character first appears in Tales to Astonish #27 (Jan. 1962) and was created by editor and plotter Stan Lee, scripter Larry Lieber and penciler Jack Kirby.
Pym is shown discovering the size-changing Pym particles which, when combined with various inventions, provide him with the abilities he needs to adopt a superhero persona. Pym's character first began as a one-shot story in the Tales to Astonish series, titled "The Man in the Ant Hill" when he accidentally shrank himself down to ant-size. He would return in his own ongoing series adopting the name Ant-Man, who would later be teamed with love-interest Janet van Dyne, The Wasp. Pym would go on to join The Avengers as Giant-Man but he and Janet eventually retired, with Pym returning, as Goliath, to save the Wasp from The Collector.
The character would then become darker after an accident drove him mad. He adopted the alias Yellowjacket and retained it as he recovered and relapsed over the years, before again retiring. He would return as an advisor to the West Coast Avengers, eventually shedding the costumes and alter egos. In the Secret Invasion storyline it was revealed that Pym was a Skrull impostor and the actual character's whereabouts are currently unknown.
As well as having an important role in the Avengers his scientific work has been shown to be influential in the wider Marvel Universe. The Pym particles have been the source of powers for a number of superheroes and villains who often adopt one of Pym's aliases, including Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Goliath and Yellowjacket. Equally his scientific abilities have led to numerous inventions, most notably Ultron, a character who would eventually go on to create others like the Vision, as well as the Phalanx who would be the main threat in Annihilation: Conquest.
The character of Henry Pym has also played a role in other alternate future's of the Marvel Universe. He has also appeared in a range of media including a video game, action figures, television, and animated films. A live-action film about his character, Ant-Man, is currently in the works, to be directed by Edgar Wright.
I'd not advocate going with this but offer it more as an extension of what I was getting at above and it may give others ideas on which direction they'd want to take things. I've started a subsection to try to keep things straight and less confusion. ( Emperor ( talk) 16:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC))
Dr. Henry "Hank" Pym is a fictional character that appears in comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character first appears in Tales to Astonish #27 (Jan. 1962) and was created by editor and plotter Stan Lee, scripter Larry Lieber and penciler Jack Kirby.
Pym's character first began as a one-shot story in the Tales to Astonish series, titled "The Man in the Ant Hill", in which he successfully shrinks himself to the size of an ant. The character of Pym was later brought back to the series, this time as a regular feature, and given the name Ant-Man, a superhero whom can shrink down to the size of an ant. Janet van Dyne, whom would be better known as The Wasp, became his sidekick after a few adventures. The two would gradually fall in love later on in the series. Pym then joined The Avengers.
Pym has changed into more than one costumed persona. He later decided to take on the identity of Giant-Man, preferring strength over being shrunken. After rescuing Janet from the villain The Collector, he decided to become Goliath, in which his size grew to gigantic proportions. After an accident involving Pym inhaling gasses, he became schizophrenic. This led to him taking on the role of Yellowjacket, kidnapping Jan, and getting married to her in the process.
After he is finally brought back to his senses, the two decide to stay married, and Pym retains the role of Yellowjacket. However, Pym and Janet would later divorce, after he strikes her during a mental breakdown. After being framed by his old foe Egghead, Pym is sent to prison, but later freed after he is proven innocent. This leads to his retirement from crime-fighting.
Pym's retirement didn't last long, as he would later return as an adviser to the West Coast team of Avengers, in a role similar to Edwin Jarvis' role on the East coast team. Later on, he joined the team as a scientist. This also led to him regaining the friendship of Janet, and a rekindled romance, that has been going on and off. In the Secret Invasion storyline it was revealed that Pym was a Skrull impostor (and has been since the aftermath of Avengers Disassembled,) and the actual character's whereabouts are currently unknown.
The character of Henry Pym has also played a role in other alternate future's of the Marvel Universe. He has been immortalized in a video game, action figures, television, and animated films. A live-action film about his character, Ant-Man, is currently in the works, to be directed by Edgar Wright.
This is a new lead I came up with, after trimming down the plot-type stuff from my lead. I also combined elements of Emperor's lead. Please tell me what you think, everyone!
Dr. Henry "Hank" Pym is a fictional character that appears in comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character first appears in Tales to Astonish #27 (Jan. 1962) and was created by editor and plotter Stan Lee, scripter Larry Lieber and penciler Jack Kirby.
Pym's character first began as a one-shot story in the Tales to Astonish series, titled "The Man in the Ant Hill", in which he successfully shrinks himself to the size of an ant. The character of Pym was later brought back to the series, this time as a regular feature, and given the name Ant-Man, a superhero whom can shrink down to the size of an ant. Janet van Dyne, whom would be better known as The Wasp, became his sidekick after a few adventures. The two would gradually fall in love later on in the series. Pym then joined The Avengers.
Pym has changed into more than one costumed persona. He later decided to take on the identity of Giant-Man, preferring strength over being shrunken. After rescuing Janet from the villain The Collector, he decided to become Goliath, in which his size grew to gigantic proportions. After an accident involving Pym inhaling gasses, he became schizophrenic. This led to him taking on the role of Yellowjacket, kidnapping Jan, and getting married to her in the process.
After he is finally brought back to his senses, the two decide to stay married, and Pym retains the role of Yellowjacket. After being framed by his old foe Egghead, Pym is sent to prison, but later freed after he is proven innocent. This leads to his retirement from crime-fighting. Pym's retirement didn't last long, as he would later return as an adviser (and even later as a team member,) to the West Coast Avengers. In the Secret Invasion storyline it was revealed that Pym was a Skrull impostor (and has been since the aftermath of Avengers Disassembled,) and the actual character's whereabouts are currently unknown.
As well as having an important role in the Avengers his scientific work has been shown to be influential in the wider Marvel Universe. The Pym particles have been the source of powers for a number of superheroes and villains who often adopt one of Pym's aliases, including Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Goliath and Yellowjacket. Equally his scientific abilities have led to numerous inventions, most notably Ultron, a character who would eventually go on to create others like the Vision, as well as the Phalanx who would be the main threat in Annihilation: Conquest.
The character of Henry Pym has also played a role in other alternate future's of the Marvel Universe. He has also appeared in a range of media including a video game, action figures, television, and animated films. A live-action film about his character, Ant-Man, is currently in the works, to be directed by Edgar Wright.
OK try this based on my comments below:
Dr. Henry "Hank" Pym is a fictional character that appears in comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character first appears in "The Man in the Ant Hill", a story in Tales to Astonish #27 (Jan. 1962), and was created by editor and plotter Stan Lee, scripter Larry Lieber and penciler Jack Kirby.
In his first appearance he is shown devising his size-reduction techniques. The character was later brought back to the series, this time as a regular feature, and given the name Ant-Man, a superhero who can shrink down to the size of an ant. Janet van Dyne, better known as The Wasp, became his sidekick after a few adventures and the two would gradually fall in love later on in the series. Pym then joined The Avengers and, while with the group, he adopted the next of his numerous costumed alias, Giant-Man, emphasising strength over subtlety. After rescuing Janet from the villain The Collector, his size grew to gigantic proportions and he assumed the name Goliath. After an accident involving Pym inhaling gasses and becoming schizophrenic, his character took on a darker aspect: adopting the role of Yellowjacket, kidnapping Jan, and marrying her.
After he is finally brought back to his senses, the two remain married, and Pym stays as Yellowjacket. After being framed by his old foe Egghead, Pym is sent to prison, but later freed after he is proven innocent, although this leads to his retirement from crime-fighting. Pym's retirement didn't last long, as he would later return as an adviser (and even later team member), to the West Coast Avengers. In the Secret Invasion storyline it was revealed that Pym was a Skrull impostor (and has been since the aftermath of Avengers Disassembled,) and the actual character's whereabouts are currently unknown.
As well as having an important role in the Avengers, his scientific work has been shown to be influential in the wider Marvel Universe. The Pym particles have been the source of powers for a number of superheroes and villains who often adopt one of Pym's aliases, including Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Goliath and Yellowjacket. Equally his scientific abilities have led to numerous inventions, most notably Ultron, a character who would eventually go on to create others like the Vision, as well as the Phalanx who would be the main threat in Annihilation: Conquest.
The character of Henry Pym has also played a role in other alternate future's of the Marvel Universe. He has also appeared in a range of media including a video game, action figures, television, and animated films. A live-action film about his character, Ant-Man, is currently in the works, to be directed by Edgar Wright.
Obviously it still needs work but I am happier with this version. ( Emperor ( talk) 21:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC))
Personally, I feel that a combination of my lead and Emperor's lead would be very good, as I like some of his stuff, and feel that some of his info and some of my info would look nice combined together, and trimmed down to fit everyone's liking. What does everyone think? CarpetCrawler ( talk) 18:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Pym has appeared under a number of costumed aliases. While with the Avengers, he became Giant-Man, emphasising strength over subtlety. After rescuing Janet from the villain The Collector, his size grew to gigantic proportions and he assumed the name Goliath. After an accident involving Pym inhaling gasses, his character took on a darker aspect: adopting the role of Yellowjacket, kidnapping Jan, and getting married to her in the process.
Equally his scientific abilities have led to numerous inventions, most notably Ultron, a character who would eventually go on to create others like the Vision, as well as the Phalanx who would be the main threat in Annihilation: Conquest.
I tweaked a few minor things, but didn't feel I've been involved enough in this to rewrite the lead more broadly. The biggest issue is that this has grown way too wordy for an introduction. It includes too much detail which belongs instead under fictional character biography or publication history. Also, the lead should not have nearly so much in-universe language. Doczilla STOMP! 19:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 04:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 04:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if one paragraph is necessarily the way to go in all articles, but the article's current lead could use a trim, so long as it does not omit the most salient aspects of the article. Nightscream ( talk) 22:30, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 10:05, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Asgardian ( talk) 21:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Pym debuted in the 16-page comic book story called "The Man in the Ant Hill" in the first volume of Tales to Astonish. A simple scientist who successfully shrank himself to the size of an ant, Pym could not grow back to normal until an ant aided him. The story received a positive response from readers (insert source) and Pym returned to the series in a regular feature, and as the costumed "Ant-Man" fights crime as a superhero who can shrink down to the size of an ant. Pym is later given a crime-fighting partner, Janet van Dyne, who becomes the heroine the Wasp and eventually falls in love with Pym.
As Ant-Man, Pym would later join the superhero team the Avengers. Pym undergoes several name and costume changes during this time, going from Ant-Man to Giant-Man to Goliath and finally Yellowjacket. These changes are eventually revealed to be due to mental issues and an eventual breakdown. During the time Pym also accidently creates the Avengers' arch-enemy, a robot called Ultron. Despite a short retirement, Pym returns in civilian guise to assist the newly formed West Coast branch of the Avengers, and despite a suicide attempt eventually rekindles romance with Janet. Pym was recently revealed to be an alien impersonating him, with his current whereabouts unknown.
The character of Henry Pym has featured in other Marvel publications such as graphic novels; animated films and television series and merchandise such as action figures and trading cards. A live-action film featuring the character Ant-Man is currently under development.
Asgardian ( talk) 03:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
By the by, thanks for the award!
Asgardian ( talk) 03:00, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
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