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Personally, I think it is fake, or a mod.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by JustHistoryLiam ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Are you sure Handheld PC is a Microsoft-only term? I'm fairly sure there have been Linux-based handheld PCs.-- ArbiterOne 07:46, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
The term handheld PC/palmtop goes way back to the 1980's long before MS had involvement in making a handheld PC. If i remember correctly, I believe the term palmtop was the more common term way back then with handheld PC being the more common term today. Since their have been various handheld PC and palmtop devices that used non-MS operating systems such as Linux and Palm OS, the article should be rewritten to first deal with the terms handheld PC and palmtop as their apply to palm-sized computing devices, including their history. Then we can address how MS uses the term and describe handheld PC's that follow Microsoft's specifications. Finely, we should explain how the term handheld PC and palmtop have been used to describe PDA's too, and what if any distinctions have been made between PDA's and heldheld PC's/palmtops. -- Cab88 22:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
86.139.21.31 recently edited the article, and removed references to Handheld PC, and changed to palmtop, and changed Windows CE to XP, I reverted their changes... If anyone disagrees, feel free to reply here... --Illyria05-- 17:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
What are typical screen sizes of a handheld PC? My research pretty much divides mobile computers up into these categories:
It seems like there is a lot of overlapping terminology out there. We have terms like Pocket PC, handheld PC, that seem to basically mean the same thing. StrengthOfNations ( talk) 14:12, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Do you guys think Electronic Translator are HandHeld PC. I think most North Americans and Europe don't usually use these products. They are very popular in Asian countries (espcially in China, Taiwan, Korea, Japan). They were first design to assist people who want to learn english, and because they are design for academic purposes, many useful applications gradually get integrated. Such of these applications incldue
Overview
Learning
Entertainment
Contacts
Otherbooks
e.g. CD-828 Pro
-- Ramu50 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
What is the diff between Handheld PC and subnotebook? -- KpoT ( talk) 01:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
This article should be merged with Personal digital assistant due to the developmental roots of the technology. Both articles relate to Palmtop computers. -- THE FOUNDERS INTENT PRAISE GOOD WORKS 16:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Why does "palmtop computer" (I think a largely out-of-use term for any handheld computer, today's smartphones would probably fit the classic definition) redirect here? And if this article is specific to WinCE devices, why doesn't it say so in the intro, instead of not switching to be solely about that until the main body of the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.210.74.14 ( talk) 19:05, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Palmtops and UMPC seem smaller than Handhelds, while handheld PC is an old term for what is essentially a netbook. All of these are Subnotebooks. Yet for some reason Palmtop computer redirects here while Palmtop PC is a separate article. It seems these are just marketing terms for devices of the same form factor. If that all it is, this should be made clear that this is marketing, and not technically a form factor, which is what this article says now. This article also states that they were discontinued in the early 2010s, which is when they were actually already marketed as Netbooks, so these aren't names for separate generations of the same device form-factor either. I think the best solution here is merge Palmtop and Handheld PC for the historical devices, also mention newer devices like netbooks and chromebooks. But also keep the Netbook article. -- Entlantian ( talk) 10:35, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Since "Handheld PC" is HatNoted for lacking (inline) sources, and as of this writing "Palmtop PC" (which has the same lack) isn't, Step 1 of having a single article on the HISTORY, yes HISTORY, of this/these device(s) can readily be at "Palmtop PC" (which is where "Palmtop" at present redirects. Pi314m ( talk) 06:51, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
The initial move is to a section named: Handheld PC article. Pi314m ( talk) 06:57, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
/* Merged content to Palmtop PC#Handheld PC article. See Talk:Handheld PC. */
The article defines a "handheld PC" as a "computer built around a form factor which is smaller than any standard laptop computer". By that definition smartphones and tablet computer are handheld PC's. Since I believe smartphones and tablets are "Personal Computers" (PC's) even if they in most case don't run traditional desktop/laptop OS's and by out of the box use virtual keyboards and touchscreens as they standard/default input devices, then an argument that smartphones and tablet are handheld PC's can be made. Yes, I'm aware that the smartphone & tablets have been traditional thought of as separate from "handheld PC" category but I would question that with today's smartphones & tablets. If we are going to say that smartphones and tablets are not a subcategory of handheld PC, then we need to be define what a handheld PC is so the reader knows what it's a separate distinct category. If it's really just that people declared it so, without regard to any specific criteria that makes it so (i.e. it's just an artificial category/distinction), then we can say that if we support it with reliable sources. All the usual criteria for defining a personal computer would also apply to modern smartphones and tablets and so does the reverse. So what seems to has happened since over the last decade, they are no longer making handheld PC's (AKA Palmtop computers) that are designed to Windows/Linux/other desktop OS and instead focusing on smartphone (IOS & Android), tablet (IOS, Android), and PDA (iPod Touch) handheld PC's. Now in the past it seems that tech journalist, handheld PC manufacturers, and others have made a distinction between smartphones and tablets and Handheld PC's, though it's not clear what criteria was used justify this distinction, other then then maybe relying on what manufacturers referred to as a handheld computer. -- Notcharliechaplin ( talk) 20:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
I suggest a new section on the rapidly emerging category of gaming handhelds based on traditional x86 architecture.
Here's an article that mentions several of the leading devices including a reference to the upcoming Valve Steam Deck which is expected to have a significant impact on the growth of the category:
https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-deck-alternatives-handheld-pc/
Some things that should probably be covered include the traditional x86 architecture, typical form factor differences such as integrated gaming controls and lack of a hardware keyboard as well as a lack of a discrete GPU (which has traditionally been a defining characteristic of gaming computers). They have been made possible with a growth in integrated GPU power combined with the suitability of low resolution screens appropriate for the form factor. There are many, many articles available to use as sources. Geeks On Hugs ( talk) 22:08, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
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Personally, I think it is fake, or a mod.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by JustHistoryLiam ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Are you sure Handheld PC is a Microsoft-only term? I'm fairly sure there have been Linux-based handheld PCs.-- ArbiterOne 07:46, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
The term handheld PC/palmtop goes way back to the 1980's long before MS had involvement in making a handheld PC. If i remember correctly, I believe the term palmtop was the more common term way back then with handheld PC being the more common term today. Since their have been various handheld PC and palmtop devices that used non-MS operating systems such as Linux and Palm OS, the article should be rewritten to first deal with the terms handheld PC and palmtop as their apply to palm-sized computing devices, including their history. Then we can address how MS uses the term and describe handheld PC's that follow Microsoft's specifications. Finely, we should explain how the term handheld PC and palmtop have been used to describe PDA's too, and what if any distinctions have been made between PDA's and heldheld PC's/palmtops. -- Cab88 22:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
86.139.21.31 recently edited the article, and removed references to Handheld PC, and changed to palmtop, and changed Windows CE to XP, I reverted their changes... If anyone disagrees, feel free to reply here... --Illyria05-- 17:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
What are typical screen sizes of a handheld PC? My research pretty much divides mobile computers up into these categories:
It seems like there is a lot of overlapping terminology out there. We have terms like Pocket PC, handheld PC, that seem to basically mean the same thing. StrengthOfNations ( talk) 14:12, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Do you guys think Electronic Translator are HandHeld PC. I think most North Americans and Europe don't usually use these products. They are very popular in Asian countries (espcially in China, Taiwan, Korea, Japan). They were first design to assist people who want to learn english, and because they are design for academic purposes, many useful applications gradually get integrated. Such of these applications incldue
Overview
Learning
Entertainment
Contacts
Otherbooks
e.g. CD-828 Pro
-- Ramu50 ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
What is the diff between Handheld PC and subnotebook? -- KpoT ( talk) 01:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
This article should be merged with Personal digital assistant due to the developmental roots of the technology. Both articles relate to Palmtop computers. -- THE FOUNDERS INTENT PRAISE GOOD WORKS 16:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Why does "palmtop computer" (I think a largely out-of-use term for any handheld computer, today's smartphones would probably fit the classic definition) redirect here? And if this article is specific to WinCE devices, why doesn't it say so in the intro, instead of not switching to be solely about that until the main body of the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.210.74.14 ( talk) 19:05, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Palmtops and UMPC seem smaller than Handhelds, while handheld PC is an old term for what is essentially a netbook. All of these are Subnotebooks. Yet for some reason Palmtop computer redirects here while Palmtop PC is a separate article. It seems these are just marketing terms for devices of the same form factor. If that all it is, this should be made clear that this is marketing, and not technically a form factor, which is what this article says now. This article also states that they were discontinued in the early 2010s, which is when they were actually already marketed as Netbooks, so these aren't names for separate generations of the same device form-factor either. I think the best solution here is merge Palmtop and Handheld PC for the historical devices, also mention newer devices like netbooks and chromebooks. But also keep the Netbook article. -- Entlantian ( talk) 10:35, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Since "Handheld PC" is HatNoted for lacking (inline) sources, and as of this writing "Palmtop PC" (which has the same lack) isn't, Step 1 of having a single article on the HISTORY, yes HISTORY, of this/these device(s) can readily be at "Palmtop PC" (which is where "Palmtop" at present redirects. Pi314m ( talk) 06:51, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
The initial move is to a section named: Handheld PC article. Pi314m ( talk) 06:57, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
/* Merged content to Palmtop PC#Handheld PC article. See Talk:Handheld PC. */
The article defines a "handheld PC" as a "computer built around a form factor which is smaller than any standard laptop computer". By that definition smartphones and tablet computer are handheld PC's. Since I believe smartphones and tablets are "Personal Computers" (PC's) even if they in most case don't run traditional desktop/laptop OS's and by out of the box use virtual keyboards and touchscreens as they standard/default input devices, then an argument that smartphones and tablet are handheld PC's can be made. Yes, I'm aware that the smartphone & tablets have been traditional thought of as separate from "handheld PC" category but I would question that with today's smartphones & tablets. If we are going to say that smartphones and tablets are not a subcategory of handheld PC, then we need to be define what a handheld PC is so the reader knows what it's a separate distinct category. If it's really just that people declared it so, without regard to any specific criteria that makes it so (i.e. it's just an artificial category/distinction), then we can say that if we support it with reliable sources. All the usual criteria for defining a personal computer would also apply to modern smartphones and tablets and so does the reverse. So what seems to has happened since over the last decade, they are no longer making handheld PC's (AKA Palmtop computers) that are designed to Windows/Linux/other desktop OS and instead focusing on smartphone (IOS & Android), tablet (IOS, Android), and PDA (iPod Touch) handheld PC's. Now in the past it seems that tech journalist, handheld PC manufacturers, and others have made a distinction between smartphones and tablets and Handheld PC's, though it's not clear what criteria was used justify this distinction, other then then maybe relying on what manufacturers referred to as a handheld computer. -- Notcharliechaplin ( talk) 20:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
I suggest a new section on the rapidly emerging category of gaming handhelds based on traditional x86 architecture.
Here's an article that mentions several of the leading devices including a reference to the upcoming Valve Steam Deck which is expected to have a significant impact on the growth of the category:
https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-deck-alternatives-handheld-pc/
Some things that should probably be covered include the traditional x86 architecture, typical form factor differences such as integrated gaming controls and lack of a hardware keyboard as well as a lack of a discrete GPU (which has traditionally been a defining characteristic of gaming computers). They have been made possible with a growth in integrated GPU power combined with the suitability of low resolution screens appropriate for the form factor. There are many, many articles available to use as sources. Geeks On Hugs ( talk) 22:08, 30 October 2021 (UTC)