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Someone keeps writing that he is Kurdish-American. If we are talking about ethnicity, American should be excluded. If we are talking nationality, than it should be Turkish-American and visitors of the page shouldn't be allowed to change it. I think the best form would be Turkish-American businessmen of Kurdish descent, since Kurdish is not a nationality.-- 173.77.253.53 ( talk) 07:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Please, Kurdish nationalists, is this man really going to be the source of your national pride? It is really so foolish. There are NO citations to him referencing his Kurdish identity that I can find, and the ones provided never mention the words "Kurd" or "Kurdish" or "Kurdistan" at all. Even worse, it was even claimed that "chobani" comes from the Kurdish (!) word for "shepherd". Do you even know Kurdish? Bi Kurdi em «şivan» dibêjin, «çoban» Tirkî ye. Tirkan ev peyv stand, ji zimanekî Êranî, lê ji Kurdî nayê. Ev mêr hişsivik û seksîst e, çima em ji wî ḧez bikin? Kapîtalîstekî qirêj e, lawo!
Notice how even when they subject is language he lists only Turkish and English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHYABnK4Oho
Hamdi Ulukaya may (or may not) have Kurdish ethnicity. He considers himself a Turkish American. Those of you who can read Turkish please read the newspaper interview that I am linking here. Some sentences for the non-Turkish speakers: 1. "The Greeks here (in USA) get angry that a Turk makes better yoghurt." 2. (Referring to colleagues) "Other Turkish businessmen here." 3. (Asked about employing Turks in his business) "I will not hire you only because you're Turkish." Source: ( http://www.kigem.com/cope-attigi-firsat-hayatini-degistirdi.html ) Thank you. -- Why should I have a User Name? ( talk) 07:22, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
If you look at other people Wikipedia pages, you will find, American, German, Russian not because of they have the nationality of countries because of their ethnicity. Gr, Feridun Akpinar, wishes a lot of "Pure-thinking". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.50.111.125 ( talk) 13:15, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm adding a hidden note to not change the lede's nationality because users keep editing and changing everything. Regardless of your opinions, he's "Turkish", nationality wise. "Kurdistan", is not a country, though "Kurdish" is an ethnicity. Per MOS:ETHNICITY and MOS:BIOLEAD, his ethnicity doesn't go in the lede. His article covers his background and such extensively. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 02:48, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Going by the logic of some people here, Abdullah Öcalan should be Turkish, and Saladin Arabic. All sources claim he's Kurdish, and so does Ulukaya himself. Sad attempt by Turkish nationalists here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff350 ( talk • contribs) 11:03, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
If that's the case, then I propose adding Abdullah Ocalan to the Turkish people infobox. After all, he is a Turkish citizen right? Étienne Dolet ( talk) 18:42, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm adding a hidden note to not change the lede's nationality because users keep editing and changing everything. Regardless of your opinions, he's "Turkish" nationality wise. "Kurdistan" is not an official country, though "Kurdish" is an ethnicity. Per MOS:ETHNICITY and MOS:BIOLEAD, his ethnicity doesn't go in the lede. His article covers his background and such extensively. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 02:58, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
@
Paradise Chronicle: - I don't see any sources where he states, without any ambiguity that he identifies as being "Kurdish" nationality wise. Seems like when he calls himself "Kurdish", this is a reference to his ethnic background. If you want his own words, he flat out calls himself a "Turkish businessman" in this article:
[2]: "I had the happiest day of my life to be here as a Turkish businessman." And here, he said "yes" when asked if he's of Kurdish ethnicity and born in Turkey in this
video. He has called himself a
"Kurd from Turkey" before, but that seems to mean that he's of Kurdish background/origin and from Turkey. Similar to how an American might call themselves an "Irish person from New York", or something to that effect. If that makes sense.
As for what people describe him as, here's sources describing him as being "Turkish", a "Turkish immigrant", "Turkish of Kurdish ethnicity" or something to that effect: [3] "Hamdi Ulukaya, a Turkish-American businessman of Kurdish ethnicity", [4], [5] [6]. And here's sources that say he's "Kurdish" or "Turkish-Kurish" [7] [8].
So with all those sources and the fact that he's been stated being a Turkish citizen with no reliable source I've found or seen provided stating that he's renounced anything or that's he's been stripped of his citizenship, then following MOS:ETHNICITY and MOS:BIOLEAD, his lede should say "Turkish" and can mention his ethnic background, as this is important to him/his notability (and it is mentioned multiple times), but putting "Kurdish" as his nationality doesn't seem right when he's never flat out denied that he's from Turkey/Turkish, just that his ethnic background is Kurdish. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 23:14, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
We have a strained yoghurt article. Is the name correct? -- Why should I have a User Name? ( talk) 20:05, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Per Template:Infobox person, I'm restoring the infobox nationality section to normality. The infobox is not a space for links to nationality laws of countries. If anyone has a question about that, please take your questions to Template talk:Infobox person. Thank you! Softlavender ( talk) 02:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Multiple articles on his page have described him as being "Turkish" and he has only Turkish citizenship. The article mentions his ethnic background many times. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 07:19, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Aotchi and Qozeqer, please stop changing the correct nationalities listed in this article and infobox. Ulukaya was born and raised in Turkey, and he immigrated to America. This makes him a Turkish American; he was and is a Turkish national who moved to the U.S. His ethnicity is Kurdish, and that is listed in the infobox, the intro, and in the body text of the article. Softlavender ( talk) 02:10, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
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Please change 'Turkish American' to 'Kurdish American' ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_American) Some references for this: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2413095/Meet-Steve-Jobs-yoghurt-How-Kurdish-immigrant-billionaire-selling-Greek-yoghurt-Americans.html http://www.timesunion.com/business/article/Yogurt-king-aids-ISIS-victims-5812706.php http://www.kurdslist.org/community_news/147-chobani-founder-hamdi-ulukaya-kurdish-businessman-donates-2-million-for-2-million-in-humanitarian-aid-to-the-irc-the-unhcr-and-other 217.151.144.214 ( talk) 15:20, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Not done. His nationality is Turkish-American. His ethnicity is Kurdish. Both are noted several times in the article. This has been discussed endlessly in the various threads above. Softlavender ( talk) 23:58, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
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From http://www.forbes.com/profile/hamdi-ulukaya/ and http://www.newsweek.com/2013/06/12/its-all-greek-him-chobanis-unlikely-success-story-237526.html it does not look like he holds American citizenship (the Newsweek article states he still has a green card, Forbes lists only Turkey as his nationality).
Based on this, I am changing the nationality to only Turkish. He might have referred to himself as Turkish American before (in an article dated even earlier) but that does not make him so - officially he seems to be only Turkish. Ezikleyicic ( talk) 16:07, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I'd welcome it if someone could help to create a German language version of this at de:Hamdi Ulukaya -- Cheers! :) Horst-schlaemma ( talk) 14:23, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
As already stated above, Ulukaya does not have US citizenship. This is turning into an editing war. Please stop changing his wiki page, when there is no evidence that Ulukaya is an American citizen. He has Turkish citizenship, and that is all. 185.17.159.213 ( talk) 07:27, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
In the past 24 hours a few editors changed Ulukaya's infobox at least three times to state that he has Turkish citizenship and no other citizenship, including US citizenship (which he definitely does not have!) Yes there is someone's blog that says he is a naturalized citizen, but that is wrong information. Let us please rely on Forbes, [1] which is updated everyday! whereever Pappas got his information from, he is wrong. Ulukaya is really and truly NOT a US citizen. Stop messing with this!
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Ulukaya is NOT an American citizen. Read the first paragraph of the wiki. The only evidence that he is an American is an unreliable blog post. The infobox must match the article's content, therefore, although Ulukaya lives in the USA, his citizenship is Turkish, and he is definitely not defined by any criteria as an American. Living in America does not make someone American. You need the citizenship papers, a passport, or some other document which Ulukaya does not have. 46.8.37.228 ( talk) 10:31, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
This has already been discussed long and hard. The vast majority of good sources say that Ulukaya was born in Turkey (nationality) but is a Kurd (ethnicity.) My personal favorite best proof of this is the YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0yk80ADG8U in which during the first two seconds the interviewer asks Ulukaya, "You are ethinically a Kurd, born in Turkey?" and Ulukaya says.... YES!!!!! Please stop changing this tiny piece of information. This is the fact. He is a Kurdish man (ethnicity) from Turkey (nationality.) Are we done?? 212.166.90.84 ( talk) 08:44, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
There seems to be a lof of dicussion about Hamdi Ulukaya's ethnic background and identity. During this CNN Money interview he says that he has a Kurdish background. He explains that the reason he left Turkey was due to the Turkish state's persecution of Kurds and due to the fact that he was very serious about Kurdish rights. He furthermore says that this is why he is spending so much money and energy on helping refugees, the reason he feels that he understands their situation.
Link to Interview: http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/30/news/chobani-response-travel-ban/ 2607:FEA8:1D5F:FB98:883F:D268:353E:FEB2 ( talk) 06:51, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi N0n3up, you edits doesn't make sense. First, you mentioned him as a "Turkish Kurdish", then you changed it to "Turkish-born..." and now you added "Kurdish descent". People are called what they are. He clearly mentions in both CNN and NW interviews that he is a Kurd. I looked Wikipedia rules and I can't see any section which demands "nationality", not ethnicity. In almost all articles, Kurdish public figures are called as Kurds, see Mustafa Barzani, Sebahat Tuncel, Serwan Muhammad J. Baban and hundreds of others. If there was such rule or even standard, all these articles would have been wrong. Hamdi Ulukaya is a Kurd as he mentions and it's mentioned below he is born in Turkey so I don't see any point in your edit, they aren't improving the article at all. Ferakp ( talk) 19:38, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
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EDIT: Sources/interviews vary greatly on how Ulukaya's nationality/ethnicity/birthplace/etc is mentioned, and they're ultimately not reliable on how to describe him. But, what is known is that Ulukaya's from Turkey and has Turkish citizenship and his ethnic background is mentioned throughout the page. Following the guidelines of MOS:CONTEXTBIO, then the lede should say "Turkish" and can (and does) mention his ethnicity. If anyone has any further arguments, then please reply to this discussion.
I'm tired of the constant editing changes. Ulukaya is Turkish by citizenship/nationality. He's of Kurdish ethnicity, and that is mentioned many times throughout the article. If you want his own words, he flat out calls himself a "Turkish businessman" in this article, cited on his page: [13]: "I had the happiest day of my life to be here as a Turkish businessman." And here, he said "yes" when asked if he's of Kurdish ethnicity and born in Turkey in this video. He has called himself a "Kurd from Turkey" before, but that seems to mean that he's of Kurdish background/origin and from Turkey. Similar to how an American might call themselves an "Irish person from New York", or something to that effect. If that makes sense.
As for what people describe him as, here's sources describing him as being "Turkish", a "Turkish immigrant", "Turkish of Kurdish ethnicity" or something to that effect: [14] "Hamdi Ulukaya, a Turkish-American businessman of Kurdish ethnicity", [15], [16] [17]. And here's sources that say he's "Kurdish" or "Turkish-Kurish" [18] [19].
So with all those sources and the fact that he's been stated being a Turkish citizen with no reliable source I've found or seen provided stating that he's renounced anything or that's he's been stripped of his citizenship, then following MOS:ETHNICITY and MOS:BIOLEAD, his lede should say "Turkish" and can mention his ethnic background, as this is important to him/his notability (and it is mentioned multiple times), but putting "Kurdish" as his nationality isn't correct when he's never flat out denied that he's from Turkey/Turkish, just that his ethnic background is Kurdish. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 23:14, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
mostmodern-day cases, this will be the country of which the person is a citizen, national, or permanent resident; or, if the person is notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable." Turkey is mentioned straight at the beginning of the opening paragraph, which is normal and notable. Then he is notable for being a Kurd and for being a (successful) Businessman in America. As to me it would be fair to phrase the lead like" Hamdi Ulukaya (born..., Iliç, Turkey) is a Kurdish-American businessman" etc. His citizenship is already mentioned in the Infobox. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 22:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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See: https://twitter.com/hamdiulukaya/status/995718070927753219?lang=en Gewerî ( talk) 12:46, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Gewerî: - It's not uncommon for people to refer to themselves by their ethnicity instead of their nationality. Many Americans will call themselves "German" or "Irish", but as far as citizenship goes, they're usually just Americans. You need to read the section/sources above. He's also referred to himself as a "Turkish businessman". Here's the source and a quote: [20] "I had the happiest day of my life to be here as a Turkish businessman". He's also said that he's from Turkey but of Kurdish ethnicity. It's not enough to only rely on what he or the media say about his nationality because they're not consistent. Quite a few articles say he's Turkish or Turkish-born, or Turkish-American, but others say he's Kurdish or Kurdish-American, etc. Please see MOS:CONTEXTBIO: "this will be the country of which the person is a citizen, national, or permanent resident" and "Ethnicity should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability". The lede is perfectly fine the way it is. As far as the sources go, we know he's a Turkish citizen whose based in the United States and of Kurdish ethnicity. The lede says all this and Ulukaya's ethnicity is mentioned MANY, MANY times throughout the article. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 03:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Is Ulukaya's lede sentence fine, or should it be changed? Currently the lede sentence describes him as a "Turkish businessman, activist, and philanthropist based in the United States", and the second lede section paragraph mentions his Kurdish ethnic background.
Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 07:23, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Option 2 From the article, I get the sense that his Kurdish ethnicity is important to him. "Turkish" can refer to both nationality and ethnicity, so "Turkish businessman, ... of Kurdish ethnicity" seems like a good way to avoid misleading the reader. RisingStar ( talk) 03:05, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
It should be taken into account for what Hamdi Ulukaya is known for. Is it his Turkish citizenship or is it him being a Kurdish activist/refugee formerly being persecuted as a Kurd in Turkey and following becoming a successful Businessman in the United States? Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 08:14, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
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Hi. This is Kait and I work for Chobani and Hamdi Ulukaya. I have a few straightforward edit requests as follows:
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The article reads like a puff piece, with a lot of PR-speak. I've tried to trim it down a little but I'm not familiar enough with the subject to do much, especially in the awards section which needs someone with a good idea of which of those are the most notable. Rusalkii ( talk) 18:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, this is Stephanie. I would like to work with editors to create an article that better meets Wikipedia standards of neutrality so that the maintenance tag on the article can be removed. I would also like to suggest some simple style edits made to improve general accuracy and readability. I am calling on Paradise Chronicle and Spencer to help with this, as they have been helpful in the past.
Thanks so much for your help. Stephanie at Chobani ( talk) 16:36, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
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Hi. In order to update Hamdi Ulukaya's BLP, please add the following sentence to the end of the "Influence and adviserships" section:
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Thanks so much. Stephanie at Chobani ( talk) 13:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
@ Stephanie at Chobani Closing this request implemented by @ Paradise Chronicle <---THANKS! Duke Gilmore ( talk) 03:13, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
I updated the Infobox to reflect the fact that Hamdi Ulukaya now has three children. I added a reliable source supporting this, and removed the outdated sources. The Personal life section already says he has three children, so now the Infobox is aligned with the information in the article. I believe an edit like this can be made directly even by someone with a COI, but if I have overstepped my bounds, please let me know. Stephanie at Chobani ( talk) 15:59, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
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Someone keeps writing that he is Kurdish-American. If we are talking about ethnicity, American should be excluded. If we are talking nationality, than it should be Turkish-American and visitors of the page shouldn't be allowed to change it. I think the best form would be Turkish-American businessmen of Kurdish descent, since Kurdish is not a nationality.-- 173.77.253.53 ( talk) 07:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Please, Kurdish nationalists, is this man really going to be the source of your national pride? It is really so foolish. There are NO citations to him referencing his Kurdish identity that I can find, and the ones provided never mention the words "Kurd" or "Kurdish" or "Kurdistan" at all. Even worse, it was even claimed that "chobani" comes from the Kurdish (!) word for "shepherd". Do you even know Kurdish? Bi Kurdi em «şivan» dibêjin, «çoban» Tirkî ye. Tirkan ev peyv stand, ji zimanekî Êranî, lê ji Kurdî nayê. Ev mêr hişsivik û seksîst e, çima em ji wî ḧez bikin? Kapîtalîstekî qirêj e, lawo!
Notice how even when they subject is language he lists only Turkish and English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHYABnK4Oho
Hamdi Ulukaya may (or may not) have Kurdish ethnicity. He considers himself a Turkish American. Those of you who can read Turkish please read the newspaper interview that I am linking here. Some sentences for the non-Turkish speakers: 1. "The Greeks here (in USA) get angry that a Turk makes better yoghurt." 2. (Referring to colleagues) "Other Turkish businessmen here." 3. (Asked about employing Turks in his business) "I will not hire you only because you're Turkish." Source: ( http://www.kigem.com/cope-attigi-firsat-hayatini-degistirdi.html ) Thank you. -- Why should I have a User Name? ( talk) 07:22, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
If you look at other people Wikipedia pages, you will find, American, German, Russian not because of they have the nationality of countries because of their ethnicity. Gr, Feridun Akpinar, wishes a lot of "Pure-thinking". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.50.111.125 ( talk) 13:15, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm adding a hidden note to not change the lede's nationality because users keep editing and changing everything. Regardless of your opinions, he's "Turkish", nationality wise. "Kurdistan", is not a country, though "Kurdish" is an ethnicity. Per MOS:ETHNICITY and MOS:BIOLEAD, his ethnicity doesn't go in the lede. His article covers his background and such extensively. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 02:48, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Going by the logic of some people here, Abdullah Öcalan should be Turkish, and Saladin Arabic. All sources claim he's Kurdish, and so does Ulukaya himself. Sad attempt by Turkish nationalists here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff350 ( talk • contribs) 11:03, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
If that's the case, then I propose adding Abdullah Ocalan to the Turkish people infobox. After all, he is a Turkish citizen right? Étienne Dolet ( talk) 18:42, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm adding a hidden note to not change the lede's nationality because users keep editing and changing everything. Regardless of your opinions, he's "Turkish" nationality wise. "Kurdistan" is not an official country, though "Kurdish" is an ethnicity. Per MOS:ETHNICITY and MOS:BIOLEAD, his ethnicity doesn't go in the lede. His article covers his background and such extensively. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 02:58, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
@
Paradise Chronicle: - I don't see any sources where he states, without any ambiguity that he identifies as being "Kurdish" nationality wise. Seems like when he calls himself "Kurdish", this is a reference to his ethnic background. If you want his own words, he flat out calls himself a "Turkish businessman" in this article:
[2]: "I had the happiest day of my life to be here as a Turkish businessman." And here, he said "yes" when asked if he's of Kurdish ethnicity and born in Turkey in this
video. He has called himself a
"Kurd from Turkey" before, but that seems to mean that he's of Kurdish background/origin and from Turkey. Similar to how an American might call themselves an "Irish person from New York", or something to that effect. If that makes sense.
As for what people describe him as, here's sources describing him as being "Turkish", a "Turkish immigrant", "Turkish of Kurdish ethnicity" or something to that effect: [3] "Hamdi Ulukaya, a Turkish-American businessman of Kurdish ethnicity", [4], [5] [6]. And here's sources that say he's "Kurdish" or "Turkish-Kurish" [7] [8].
So with all those sources and the fact that he's been stated being a Turkish citizen with no reliable source I've found or seen provided stating that he's renounced anything or that's he's been stripped of his citizenship, then following MOS:ETHNICITY and MOS:BIOLEAD, his lede should say "Turkish" and can mention his ethnic background, as this is important to him/his notability (and it is mentioned multiple times), but putting "Kurdish" as his nationality doesn't seem right when he's never flat out denied that he's from Turkey/Turkish, just that his ethnic background is Kurdish. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 23:14, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
We have a strained yoghurt article. Is the name correct? -- Why should I have a User Name? ( talk) 20:05, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Per Template:Infobox person, I'm restoring the infobox nationality section to normality. The infobox is not a space for links to nationality laws of countries. If anyone has a question about that, please take your questions to Template talk:Infobox person. Thank you! Softlavender ( talk) 02:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Multiple articles on his page have described him as being "Turkish" and he has only Turkish citizenship. The article mentions his ethnic background many times. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 07:19, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Aotchi and Qozeqer, please stop changing the correct nationalities listed in this article and infobox. Ulukaya was born and raised in Turkey, and he immigrated to America. This makes him a Turkish American; he was and is a Turkish national who moved to the U.S. His ethnicity is Kurdish, and that is listed in the infobox, the intro, and in the body text of the article. Softlavender ( talk) 02:10, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
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Please change 'Turkish American' to 'Kurdish American' ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_American) Some references for this: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2413095/Meet-Steve-Jobs-yoghurt-How-Kurdish-immigrant-billionaire-selling-Greek-yoghurt-Americans.html http://www.timesunion.com/business/article/Yogurt-king-aids-ISIS-victims-5812706.php http://www.kurdslist.org/community_news/147-chobani-founder-hamdi-ulukaya-kurdish-businessman-donates-2-million-for-2-million-in-humanitarian-aid-to-the-irc-the-unhcr-and-other 217.151.144.214 ( talk) 15:20, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Not done. His nationality is Turkish-American. His ethnicity is Kurdish. Both are noted several times in the article. This has been discussed endlessly in the various threads above. Softlavender ( talk) 23:58, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
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From http://www.forbes.com/profile/hamdi-ulukaya/ and http://www.newsweek.com/2013/06/12/its-all-greek-him-chobanis-unlikely-success-story-237526.html it does not look like he holds American citizenship (the Newsweek article states he still has a green card, Forbes lists only Turkey as his nationality).
Based on this, I am changing the nationality to only Turkish. He might have referred to himself as Turkish American before (in an article dated even earlier) but that does not make him so - officially he seems to be only Turkish. Ezikleyicic ( talk) 16:07, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I'd welcome it if someone could help to create a German language version of this at de:Hamdi Ulukaya -- Cheers! :) Horst-schlaemma ( talk) 14:23, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
As already stated above, Ulukaya does not have US citizenship. This is turning into an editing war. Please stop changing his wiki page, when there is no evidence that Ulukaya is an American citizen. He has Turkish citizenship, and that is all. 185.17.159.213 ( talk) 07:27, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
In the past 24 hours a few editors changed Ulukaya's infobox at least three times to state that he has Turkish citizenship and no other citizenship, including US citizenship (which he definitely does not have!) Yes there is someone's blog that says he is a naturalized citizen, but that is wrong information. Let us please rely on Forbes, [1] which is updated everyday! whereever Pappas got his information from, he is wrong. Ulukaya is really and truly NOT a US citizen. Stop messing with this!
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Ulukaya is NOT an American citizen. Read the first paragraph of the wiki. The only evidence that he is an American is an unreliable blog post. The infobox must match the article's content, therefore, although Ulukaya lives in the USA, his citizenship is Turkish, and he is definitely not defined by any criteria as an American. Living in America does not make someone American. You need the citizenship papers, a passport, or some other document which Ulukaya does not have. 46.8.37.228 ( talk) 10:31, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
This has already been discussed long and hard. The vast majority of good sources say that Ulukaya was born in Turkey (nationality) but is a Kurd (ethnicity.) My personal favorite best proof of this is the YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0yk80ADG8U in which during the first two seconds the interviewer asks Ulukaya, "You are ethinically a Kurd, born in Turkey?" and Ulukaya says.... YES!!!!! Please stop changing this tiny piece of information. This is the fact. He is a Kurdish man (ethnicity) from Turkey (nationality.) Are we done?? 212.166.90.84 ( talk) 08:44, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
There seems to be a lof of dicussion about Hamdi Ulukaya's ethnic background and identity. During this CNN Money interview he says that he has a Kurdish background. He explains that the reason he left Turkey was due to the Turkish state's persecution of Kurds and due to the fact that he was very serious about Kurdish rights. He furthermore says that this is why he is spending so much money and energy on helping refugees, the reason he feels that he understands their situation.
Link to Interview: http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/30/news/chobani-response-travel-ban/ 2607:FEA8:1D5F:FB98:883F:D268:353E:FEB2 ( talk) 06:51, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi N0n3up, you edits doesn't make sense. First, you mentioned him as a "Turkish Kurdish", then you changed it to "Turkish-born..." and now you added "Kurdish descent". People are called what they are. He clearly mentions in both CNN and NW interviews that he is a Kurd. I looked Wikipedia rules and I can't see any section which demands "nationality", not ethnicity. In almost all articles, Kurdish public figures are called as Kurds, see Mustafa Barzani, Sebahat Tuncel, Serwan Muhammad J. Baban and hundreds of others. If there was such rule or even standard, all these articles would have been wrong. Hamdi Ulukaya is a Kurd as he mentions and it's mentioned below he is born in Turkey so I don't see any point in your edit, they aren't improving the article at all. Ferakp ( talk) 19:38, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
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EDIT: Sources/interviews vary greatly on how Ulukaya's nationality/ethnicity/birthplace/etc is mentioned, and they're ultimately not reliable on how to describe him. But, what is known is that Ulukaya's from Turkey and has Turkish citizenship and his ethnic background is mentioned throughout the page. Following the guidelines of MOS:CONTEXTBIO, then the lede should say "Turkish" and can (and does) mention his ethnicity. If anyone has any further arguments, then please reply to this discussion.
I'm tired of the constant editing changes. Ulukaya is Turkish by citizenship/nationality. He's of Kurdish ethnicity, and that is mentioned many times throughout the article. If you want his own words, he flat out calls himself a "Turkish businessman" in this article, cited on his page: [13]: "I had the happiest day of my life to be here as a Turkish businessman." And here, he said "yes" when asked if he's of Kurdish ethnicity and born in Turkey in this video. He has called himself a "Kurd from Turkey" before, but that seems to mean that he's of Kurdish background/origin and from Turkey. Similar to how an American might call themselves an "Irish person from New York", or something to that effect. If that makes sense.
As for what people describe him as, here's sources describing him as being "Turkish", a "Turkish immigrant", "Turkish of Kurdish ethnicity" or something to that effect: [14] "Hamdi Ulukaya, a Turkish-American businessman of Kurdish ethnicity", [15], [16] [17]. And here's sources that say he's "Kurdish" or "Turkish-Kurish" [18] [19].
So with all those sources and the fact that he's been stated being a Turkish citizen with no reliable source I've found or seen provided stating that he's renounced anything or that's he's been stripped of his citizenship, then following MOS:ETHNICITY and MOS:BIOLEAD, his lede should say "Turkish" and can mention his ethnic background, as this is important to him/his notability (and it is mentioned multiple times), but putting "Kurdish" as his nationality isn't correct when he's never flat out denied that he's from Turkey/Turkish, just that his ethnic background is Kurdish. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 23:14, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
mostmodern-day cases, this will be the country of which the person is a citizen, national, or permanent resident; or, if the person is notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable." Turkey is mentioned straight at the beginning of the opening paragraph, which is normal and notable. Then he is notable for being a Kurd and for being a (successful) Businessman in America. As to me it would be fair to phrase the lead like" Hamdi Ulukaya (born..., Iliç, Turkey) is a Kurdish-American businessman" etc. His citizenship is already mentioned in the Infobox. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 22:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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See: https://twitter.com/hamdiulukaya/status/995718070927753219?lang=en Gewerî ( talk) 12:46, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Gewerî: - It's not uncommon for people to refer to themselves by their ethnicity instead of their nationality. Many Americans will call themselves "German" or "Irish", but as far as citizenship goes, they're usually just Americans. You need to read the section/sources above. He's also referred to himself as a "Turkish businessman". Here's the source and a quote: [20] "I had the happiest day of my life to be here as a Turkish businessman". He's also said that he's from Turkey but of Kurdish ethnicity. It's not enough to only rely on what he or the media say about his nationality because they're not consistent. Quite a few articles say he's Turkish or Turkish-born, or Turkish-American, but others say he's Kurdish or Kurdish-American, etc. Please see MOS:CONTEXTBIO: "this will be the country of which the person is a citizen, national, or permanent resident" and "Ethnicity should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability". The lede is perfectly fine the way it is. As far as the sources go, we know he's a Turkish citizen whose based in the United States and of Kurdish ethnicity. The lede says all this and Ulukaya's ethnicity is mentioned MANY, MANY times throughout the article. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 03:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Is Ulukaya's lede sentence fine, or should it be changed? Currently the lede sentence describes him as a "Turkish businessman, activist, and philanthropist based in the United States", and the second lede section paragraph mentions his Kurdish ethnic background.
Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 07:23, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Option 2 From the article, I get the sense that his Kurdish ethnicity is important to him. "Turkish" can refer to both nationality and ethnicity, so "Turkish businessman, ... of Kurdish ethnicity" seems like a good way to avoid misleading the reader. RisingStar ( talk) 03:05, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
It should be taken into account for what Hamdi Ulukaya is known for. Is it his Turkish citizenship or is it him being a Kurdish activist/refugee formerly being persecuted as a Kurd in Turkey and following becoming a successful Businessman in the United States? Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 08:14, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
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Hi. This is Kait and I work for Chobani and Hamdi Ulukaya. I have a few straightforward edit requests as follows:
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Thanks so much. Kait at Chobani ( talk) 14:44, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
The article reads like a puff piece, with a lot of PR-speak. I've tried to trim it down a little but I'm not familiar enough with the subject to do much, especially in the awards section which needs someone with a good idea of which of those are the most notable. Rusalkii ( talk) 18:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, this is Stephanie. I would like to work with editors to create an article that better meets Wikipedia standards of neutrality so that the maintenance tag on the article can be removed. I would also like to suggest some simple style edits made to improve general accuracy and readability. I am calling on Paradise Chronicle and Spencer to help with this, as they have been helpful in the past.
Thanks so much for your help. Stephanie at Chobani ( talk) 16:36, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
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Hi. In order to update Hamdi Ulukaya's BLP, please add the following sentence to the end of the "Influence and adviserships" section:
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Thanks so much. Stephanie at Chobani ( talk) 13:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
@ Stephanie at Chobani Closing this request implemented by @ Paradise Chronicle <---THANKS! Duke Gilmore ( talk) 03:13, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
I updated the Infobox to reflect the fact that Hamdi Ulukaya now has three children. I added a reliable source supporting this, and removed the outdated sources. The Personal life section already says he has three children, so now the Infobox is aligned with the information in the article. I believe an edit like this can be made directly even by someone with a COI, but if I have overstepped my bounds, please let me know. Stephanie at Chobani ( talk) 15:59, 15 August 2022 (UTC)