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@ YoungForever: "Will premiere" is not a "violation of WP:CRYSTAL" as it was sourced and is really no different than " is set to premiere". Let's not disrupt articles just to needlessly nick-pick, mm-kay? Have a nice day - wolf 00:43, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
The budget is listed as being $10 million per episode, but further down the article it mentions a $200 million dollar budget linking to an article about the budget bring $90 million for the 10 episodes.
Why is there mention of a $200 million budget? Rmanke ( talk) 05:14, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
That's old information, and there are many more articles stating it is $90m. Plus, these aren't the articles linked in the wikipedia article. Rmanke ( talk) 19:37, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Someone should reference the correct article then. Rmanke ( talk) 22:18, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
So, my edit on the article was deleted even though I tried to write information about the characters in the show. I ask: what the hell? How are we gonna inform readers about the changes the characters go through? Leader Vladimir ( talk) 18:09, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
If you look at this interview that Jen Taylor did with Sydnee Goodman on her role as Cortana in the TV show, Taylor clearly states that not only did she voice the character, but she actually did motion capture (or as she specifically quotes, performance capture), even interacting directly with Pablo Schreiber so the producers could map her rendering on-screen. How is that simply a vocal credit?
@ Bluerules: thoughts on this interview? I just want this resolved as amicably as possible, and may also call for a request for comment to see what others think. -- WuTang94 ( talk) 03:16, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
As stated above, how should Jen Taylor be credited in the cast section, as a vocal role, or just like other characters due performing motion capture work for her performance? Also, is this interview a good source or should there be a better secondary source to back this up?
Examples:
A lot of these are from the same source Paul Tassi. Are they all necessary?
Also slightly odd critique for characters clearly stated to be from a different setting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:A120:4B00:E508:E23A:5F7:76CB ( talk) 16:37, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Should not there be a section about the wokeness of the show as it is a perfect example of the genre, with cast, script, gender swap, lgbt narrative being ever so present in this entire show? MetalRemi ( talk) 20:48, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
The one who's represented as "Mercy" in the subtitles — seems to be called something like "Ìtu" while spoken aloud
הראש ( talk) 21:13, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Overall I would say the reception section skews more negatively than the show's actual critical reception (which is more mixed-to-positive at worst) with three negative reviews sourced (Paul Tassi for Forbes, Gene Park from The Washington Post, and Todd Martens from The Los Angeles times) compared to the one positive (Jesse Schedeen for IGN). There is also a lot of focus on the sex scene in the second paragraph of this section despite the entire fourth paragraph being devoted to that topic.
Moreover, the summary of Tassi's review in the second paragraph is written rather poorly: "Tassi criticized Kwan Ha's disjointed side story, Master Chief/John being helmet-less for a majority of the series, the brief nudity involving Master Chief/John, finding the childhood flashbacks as uninteresting, the visual effects, and the sex scene between Master Chief/John and Makee."
In general Tassi gets a lot more weight than other critics as well - he is cited both for his negative reviews and also in the section about the sex scene, for example, which seems a bit redundant. Personally I do not see why this topic needs an entire paragraph devoted to discussing it when many TV shows and films feature sex scenes that do not get discussed in such a way but I do understand that within the context of this show and John as a character it was seen as controversial. Not to be too pedantic about it but even criticizing the sex scene as a war crime due to Makee being a prisoner of war is a bit of an oversimplification considering the connection between her and John was emphasized thoroughly throughout the series and she deliberately went to the UNSC on her own under the guise of escaping the Covenant rather than being captured as a prisoner. This might just be my own bias, however, and I don't want to take away from my overall point that the reception section is skewed much more negative than actual reception of the show. 2607:FEA8:E1C1:200:1C27:1165:368D:5357 ( talk) 20:45, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
...was it really necessary to remove the Forbes articles...?" - You replied to my post and the link it contained, but did you actually read it? Tl;dr: yes. - wolf 22:22, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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In the section "Filming", please change "Filming for the second season began on September 15, 2022 in Iceland, with the additional country Hungary (Budapest) to be occurred filming later in that year", so that the second half of the sentence is not gibberish. Perhaps something like "with additional filming planned in Budapest, Hungary, later in the year", as described in the source. 78.55.49.153 ( talk) 01:37, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Pablo Schreiber has been semi protected (by Courcelles) due to BLP violations. There have have been two disruptive edits here regarding him today as well. (reverted by Renewal6, Crashedata) What is going on? Why all the negative attention? Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk 18:06, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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@ YoungForever: "Will premiere" is not a "violation of WP:CRYSTAL" as it was sourced and is really no different than " is set to premiere". Let's not disrupt articles just to needlessly nick-pick, mm-kay? Have a nice day - wolf 00:43, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
The budget is listed as being $10 million per episode, but further down the article it mentions a $200 million dollar budget linking to an article about the budget bring $90 million for the 10 episodes.
Why is there mention of a $200 million budget? Rmanke ( talk) 05:14, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
That's old information, and there are many more articles stating it is $90m. Plus, these aren't the articles linked in the wikipedia article. Rmanke ( talk) 19:37, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Someone should reference the correct article then. Rmanke ( talk) 22:18, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
So, my edit on the article was deleted even though I tried to write information about the characters in the show. I ask: what the hell? How are we gonna inform readers about the changes the characters go through? Leader Vladimir ( talk) 18:09, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
If you look at this interview that Jen Taylor did with Sydnee Goodman on her role as Cortana in the TV show, Taylor clearly states that not only did she voice the character, but she actually did motion capture (or as she specifically quotes, performance capture), even interacting directly with Pablo Schreiber so the producers could map her rendering on-screen. How is that simply a vocal credit?
@ Bluerules: thoughts on this interview? I just want this resolved as amicably as possible, and may also call for a request for comment to see what others think. -- WuTang94 ( talk) 03:16, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
As stated above, how should Jen Taylor be credited in the cast section, as a vocal role, or just like other characters due performing motion capture work for her performance? Also, is this interview a good source or should there be a better secondary source to back this up?
Examples:
A lot of these are from the same source Paul Tassi. Are they all necessary?
Also slightly odd critique for characters clearly stated to be from a different setting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:A120:4B00:E508:E23A:5F7:76CB ( talk) 16:37, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Should not there be a section about the wokeness of the show as it is a perfect example of the genre, with cast, script, gender swap, lgbt narrative being ever so present in this entire show? MetalRemi ( talk) 20:48, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
The one who's represented as "Mercy" in the subtitles — seems to be called something like "Ìtu" while spoken aloud
הראש ( talk) 21:13, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Overall I would say the reception section skews more negatively than the show's actual critical reception (which is more mixed-to-positive at worst) with three negative reviews sourced (Paul Tassi for Forbes, Gene Park from The Washington Post, and Todd Martens from The Los Angeles times) compared to the one positive (Jesse Schedeen for IGN). There is also a lot of focus on the sex scene in the second paragraph of this section despite the entire fourth paragraph being devoted to that topic.
Moreover, the summary of Tassi's review in the second paragraph is written rather poorly: "Tassi criticized Kwan Ha's disjointed side story, Master Chief/John being helmet-less for a majority of the series, the brief nudity involving Master Chief/John, finding the childhood flashbacks as uninteresting, the visual effects, and the sex scene between Master Chief/John and Makee."
In general Tassi gets a lot more weight than other critics as well - he is cited both for his negative reviews and also in the section about the sex scene, for example, which seems a bit redundant. Personally I do not see why this topic needs an entire paragraph devoted to discussing it when many TV shows and films feature sex scenes that do not get discussed in such a way but I do understand that within the context of this show and John as a character it was seen as controversial. Not to be too pedantic about it but even criticizing the sex scene as a war crime due to Makee being a prisoner of war is a bit of an oversimplification considering the connection between her and John was emphasized thoroughly throughout the series and she deliberately went to the UNSC on her own under the guise of escaping the Covenant rather than being captured as a prisoner. This might just be my own bias, however, and I don't want to take away from my overall point that the reception section is skewed much more negative than actual reception of the show. 2607:FEA8:E1C1:200:1C27:1165:368D:5357 ( talk) 20:45, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
...was it really necessary to remove the Forbes articles...?" - You replied to my post and the link it contained, but did you actually read it? Tl;dr: yes. - wolf 22:22, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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In the section "Filming", please change "Filming for the second season began on September 15, 2022 in Iceland, with the additional country Hungary (Budapest) to be occurred filming later in that year", so that the second half of the sentence is not gibberish. Perhaps something like "with additional filming planned in Budapest, Hungary, later in the year", as described in the source. 78.55.49.153 ( talk) 01:37, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Pablo Schreiber has been semi protected (by Courcelles) due to BLP violations. There have have been two disruptive edits here regarding him today as well. (reverted by Renewal6, Crashedata) What is going on? Why all the negative attention? Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk 18:06, 17 July 2023 (UTC)