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Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi living under a false name was assasinated in 2015 in the Netherlands, according to Dutch newspaper Dutch police found out only in 2018 it was Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi. Andries ( talk) 16:46, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
Yes, it was MEK:
"...the MeK launched violent attacks against IRP targets, the largest of which—the bombing of the IRP’s Tehran headquarters—killed more than 70 members of the leadership."RAND
"As in the case, in 1981, of the bombs exploded in the head office of the Islamic Republic Party and the Premier’s office, killing some 70 high-ranking Iranian officials."[1]
"...the MEK launched a bomb campaign against the Islamic government. In 1981, it attacked the headquarters of the Islamic Republic Party, killing 74 senior officials including the party leader and 27 members of parliament."The Guardian
"In 1981 the MEK planted bombs in the head office of the Islamic Republic Party and the Premier’s office, killing some 70 high-ranking Iranian officials."[2]
There are certainly more sources on this. So, don't change the well-sourced facts. -- Mhhossein talk 15:59, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
The whole section of Background was removed. while I had checked sources, Unfortunately, the section was based on SYNTH. There was nothing in sources that presented material in Background leads to Hafte Tir bombing. We need sources that exactly say X or Y is the reason for the bombing. Saff V. ( talk) 06:31, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Please consider this edit, Some of my edits was reverted, while:
"As Tasnim News Agency reported, it is not possible..."is not a clearly attributed statement. The state department PDF is a dead link - and this would seem to me to be a primary document (probably reflecting a view point (possibly even not for State as a whole) for a certain time). Isn't there a secondary source, academic preferably, covering all the claims and counterclaims around the 1981 bombing? Using 1-2 good sources would be preferable to primaryish viewpoints. Icewhiz ( talk) 07:44, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
"One week after his removal, MEK's militants bombed IRP headquarters, killing 70 high-ranking members.ABC-CLIO
"From June through September, bombs planted by MEK-notably in the IRP headquarters and governmental offices, killed hundreds... ."Routledge
"On June 28, 1981, they [MEK] set off a bomb in the conference hall of the IRP headquarters, which killed ... "Cambridge University Press.
Also, how can I make more clear attribution from Tasnim report? Would you give me a clue? Saff V. ( talk) 19:38, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
"it is not possible that MEK to be fully responsible for the incident, and the bomb had been transmitted to Iran or built by military technicians in the country, with the help of Western and Israeli spy services. In other words, the United States and Israel,". Which I will note is mildly unlikely given the Israeli-IRI secret arrangement at that time (weapon supplies to IRI, Operation Scorch Sword/ Operation Opera.... Israel was more concerned with Saddam winning, despite the broken relations - Israel's role in the Iran–Iraq war)..... However (my OR here aside), if you really to use Tasnim - then
"according to Tasnim....". I would suggest, however, sticking to academic sources for a 1981 event. Icewhiz ( talk) 19:52, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
"Later a Kermanshah tribunal executed four "Iraqi agents" for the incident, and a tribunal in Tehran executed Mehdi Tafari for the same incident. In 1985, the head of military intelligence informed the press that this had been the work of royalist army officers. Iran's security forces blamed the United States and "internal mercenaries". [1] [2] [3]
According to Tasnim, it is not possible that MEK to be fully responsible for the incident, and the bomb had been transmitted to Iran or built by military technicians in the country, with the help of Western and Israeli spy services. In other words, the United States and Israel, with the sophisticated technology of that day, designed the bomb and plan of operation then presented the bomb and plan to MEK for operating.[4]
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De elektricien 'Ali Motamed' (56) die volgens justitie op 15 december 2015 door Amsterdammers is geliquideerd in Almere, was in werkelijkheid vrijwel zeker de in Iran ter dood veroordeelde aanslagpleger Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi...Hij was in Nederland onder een schuilnaam een nieuw leven begonnen. Reza Kolahi Samadi wordt beschouwd als hoofdverantwoordelijke voor de bomaanslag op 28 juni 1981 op het hoofdkwartier van de Islamitische Republikeinse Partij in Teheran, tijdens een top van partijleiders.You can use google translate. Saff V. ( talk) 12:15, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
After making natural and moderate the material of the article, I pick up the tags. @ Mhhossein: Has any problem remained? Saff V. ( talk) 06:42, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Kazemita1 and Saff V. have been including the following into the article:
In 2018 Dutch media said that the mastermind behind the bombing, Mohammad-Reza Kolahi, was assassinated in the city of Almere on 15 December 2015. Samadi was living undercover as an electrician in the Netherlands since the early 1990s under the name 'Ali Motamed'.[1]
If find there are several problems with this statement. First the article is not about Dutch sources revealing that Samadi was the person responsible for the Hafter tir bombing, but about the suspicious circumstances of his assassination in the Netherlands. Second, the article first introduces the Hafter Tir bombing saying that:
The electrician 'Ali Motamed' (56) who, according to the judiciary, was assassinated by Amsterdammers in Almere on 15 December 2015, was in reality almost certainly the perpetrator Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi, sentenced to death in Iran. He had started a new life in the Netherlands under a pseudonym. Reza Kolahi Samadi is regarded as the main person responsible for the bomb attack on 28 June 1981 at the headquarters of the Islamic Republican Party in Tehran, during a summit of party leaders.
The article first introduces Samadi as the person "regarded as" the main responsible for the Hafter Tir bombing", so they don't need to include "regarded as" every time they mention "Hafter tir" in the remaining of the article. Third, if this story was about AD.nl uncovering that Samadi was behind the attack, then that would be easy to spot in the article, but it's not, because that's not what the article is about. All in all, this seems like a misrepresentation of the source. Please don't revert back into the article until we've reached some kind of consensus first. Thank you. Stefka Bulgaria ( talk) 22:12, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
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This is what the title of the news piece reads
منابع هلندی از «ترور» عامل بمبگذاری در حزب جمهوری اسلامی خبر دادند
The translation from Persian to English is "Dutch sources reported assassination of the person behind IRP headquarter bombing"
. Ask Nikoo.amini to translate it to English for you, although you probably know some Persian yourself.--
Kazemita1 (
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12:43, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Not to say I agree with what you said, but this is one of the Dutch sources. Make sure you accept the cookies first, before copying the content to Google translate.-- Kazemita1 ( talk) 15:08, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Hij was in Nederland onder een schuilnaam een nieuw leven begonnen. Reza Kolahi Samadi wordt beschouwd als hoofdverantwoordelijke voor de bomaanslag op 28 juni 1981 op het hoofdkwartier van de Islamitische Republikeinse Partij in Teheran, tijdens een top van partijleiders.
which translates to:
He had started a new life in the Netherlands under a pseudonym. Reza Kolahi Samadi is regarded as the main person responsible for the bomb attack on 28 June 1981 at the headquarters of the Islamic Republican Party in Tehran, during a summit of party leaders.
Also,
Reza Kolahi Samadi zou als student een baantje hebben weten te bemachtigen als geluidstechnicus in het complex waar hij de aanslag pleegde. Hij was een prominent lid van de sjiitische 'verzetsbeweging' Mujahedeen-Khalq (letterlijk: heilige strijders van het volk) voor hij in de jaren tachtig als politiek vluchteling naar Nederland kwam.
which translates to:
As a student, Reza Kolahi Samadi would have managed to get a job as a sound engineer in the complex where he committed the attack. He was a prominent member of the Shiite 'resistance movement' Mujahedeen-Khalq (literally: holy fighters of the people) before he came to the Netherlands as a political refugee in the 1980s.
He is saying it plainly without quoting or attributing.-- Kazemita1 ( talk) 00:08, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
On the day of the deadly attack, Samadi reportedly carried a powerful bomb hidden in his personal briefcase into the party’s headquarters in the heart of Tehran, where almost all of the party’s top officials had gathered....The man behind the massacre was officially named as nineteen-year old student and MKO member, Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi....Radio Farda
Later, MKO clandestinely paved the way for Samai Kolahi to infiltrate the ruling Islamic Republic Party, serving first as a manager of sound and audio systems but quickly rising through the party ranks...On the day of the deadly attack, Samadi Kolahi reportedly carried a bomb hidden in his briefcase into the party’s headquarters in the heart of Tehran, where almost all of the party’s top officials were gathered at the time.Samadi Kolahi left minutes before the bomb went off, and after hiding for a time in an MKO safe house, fled Iran through its western border with Iraq and made his way to Europe.Radio Farda
Motamed’s real name was Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi, an Iranian dissident sentenced to death in absentia after fleeing the country in 1981, accused of planting a bomb at the Islamic Republic party’s headquarters, killing 73 people.theguardian
The man killed in 2015 was named as Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi, 56, who had previously been sentenced to death in Iran after being accused of planting a bomb at the Islamic Republic party’s headquarters in 1981, killing 73 people.theguardian
Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi, was a prominent member of a Shi’ite opposition group and had been sentenced to death in Iran for suspected involvement in a bomb attack on the headquarters of the Islamic Republican Party in Tehran in 1981.dutchnews
BEIRUT, Lebanon, July 6 (AP) - An unarmed spokesman for Iran's revolutionary guards said in an interview on Teheran radio today that Mohammad Reza Kolahi, a 23-year-old student and member of the Mujahedeen-i-Khalq, was suspected of planting two bombs that killed 72 Islamic Republican Party leaders on June 28 at the party headquarters.NYT
and finally the reports of washengtone and James Buchan 's book (page 293). Saff V. ( talk) 08:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, but there are sources that take it beyond suspicion and name him as the actual person behind Hafte Tir bombing.
This dutch source was recently deemed reliable both by Icewhiz
here and the
WP:RSN
here.--
Kazemita1 (
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"Motamed’s real name was Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi, an Iranian dissident sentenced to death in absentia after fleeing the country in 1981, accused of planting a bomb at the Islamic Republic party’s headquarters, killing 73 people. Among the dead was the second-in-command to Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, then Iran’s supreme leader. Samadi had long known he was on a death list, although he only confided his real name to Galina in 2000, five years into their marriage, and he had withheld the full truth from his son, pledging to tell all when he turned 18."
"The man killed in 2015 was named as Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi, 56, who had previously been sentenced to death in Iran after being accused of planting a bomb at the Islamic Republic party’s headquarters in 1981, killing 73 people. ... Samadi, who had been in the building shortly before the explosion, was accused of the attack and fled to Europe. He was sentenced to death in absentia.".
Any way by passing this discussion is there any disagreement that Kolahi is in charge of the responsibility of bombing and creating a section about his death(based on introduced RSe). I agree with this of Icewhiz but unfortunately, it was reverted by Stefka. Saff V. ( talk) 11:12, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
There also seems to be some disagreement about what the lede should include. Please include any proposed updates to the lede here for further discussion. Thanks you, Stefka Bulgaria ( talk) 00:56, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should the accusing of Iraqi agents or Mehdi Tafari for the responsibility of Hafte Tir bombing be removed from lead and restored in the body? Saff V. ( talk) 10:10, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
And possibly add a short blurb on that various parties have been accused of this. It seems everyone at least agrees there was a bombing (killing 73). If and when this article is properly developed in the body in terms of covering the investigations/allegations/executions/counter-claims - then perhaps we should summarize all of it in the lede in a separate paragraph from the bombing it self. At present article length - 7,405 bytes of a prose - a short lede suffices. Icewhiz ( talk) 07:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)On 28 June 1981 (7 Tir 1360 (Hafte Tir – هفت تیر) in the Iranian calendar), a powerful bomb went off at the headquarters of the Iran Islamic Republic Party (IRP) in Tehran, while a meeting of party leaders was in progress. Seventy-three leading officials of the Islamic Republic were killed, including Chief Justice Ayatollah Mohammad Beheshti [1] [2] [2] [3] (who was the second-most powerful figure in the revolution after Ayatollah Khomeini at the time).
On 28 June 1981 (7 Tir 1360 (Hafte Tir – هفت تیر) in the Iranian calendar), a powerful bomb went off at the headquarters of the Iran Islamic Republic Party (IRP) in Tehran, while a meeting of party leaders was in progress. Seventy-three leading officials of the Islamic Republic were killed, including Chief Justice Ayatollah Mohammad Beheshti[1][2][2][3] (who was the second-most powerful figure in the revolution after Ayatollah Khomeini at the time).
Ypatch ( talk) 18:01, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
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@ El C: while the RFC did not have any outcome, Stefka reverted the edit just based on his opinion actually vote! In other hands, Alex-h reverted it with no discussion in TP, While other users were passing long debate around that edits. I was wondering if you could possibly review two edits and revert it? Saff V. ( talk) 10:46, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
As it was discussed by Mhhossein, Lincoln P. Bloomfield Jr. can't be an independent author subsequently sources belongs to him is not natural. The source (actually author ) closely affiliated with the subject and WP:INDY is violated. At least such disputed should not use in lead to make it unbalanced. Saff V. ( talk) 07:14, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
" Lincoln P. Bloomfield Jr., it's know that Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld, a lobbying firm where Bloomfield is a Senior Adviso, was hired "to persuade members of Congress to support its cause and has taken out several $100,000-plus newspaper advertisements." [4]". -- Mhhossein talk 13:03, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
"The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material."-- Mhhossein talk 11:33, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
This is a weird book, and I dispute that it was even published by a reliable academic press. The publisher is listed consistently (Worldcat, Google, Amazon) as "University of Baltimore College of Public Affairs". This is literally the only book that is so listed. Copies of the book are only held in four libraries, which would be very unusual for a book that was actually published by a University Press. In fact, I can't find any evidence that the University of Baltimore (or it's parent, University of Maryland) even has a real University Press. The only other items at Worldcat listing UofB as a publisher (the university itself, not the specific department) are student theses. The only publishing support the university provides is to help people get their work online. There is a very obscure and rarely listed publisher "University of Maryland Press" that seems to actually be "Capital Decisions, Ltd.", whose address is literally just a dude's house in Bethesda, Maryland. These are unrelated to "publishing support" and printing services offered by the universities that are only publishing in the literal sense - there are no editors. tldr; I'm pretty sure this is a vanity publication. Someguy1221 ( talk) 06:09, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
This is how Abrahamian frames it:
Ervand Abrahamian"Even now it is not clear who planted the bomb. Immediately after the event, the authorities blamed SAVAK survivors and the Iraqi regime. Two days later, Khomeini pointed his finger at the Mojahedin... Some years later, a tribunal in Kermanshah quietly execute four 'Iraqi agents' for the deed. Another tribunal in Tehran also quietly execute a certain Mehdi Tafari for the same deed but did mention any internal or external links... Finally, the head of military intelligence informed the press in April 1985 that the bombing had been the work not o the Mojahedin but of royalist army officers. Whatever the truth, the Islamic Republic used the incident to wage war on the Left opposition in general and the Mojahedin in particular.
Albert V. Benliot"The Khomeini regime also charged the group with responsiblity for bombings at the headquarters of the Islamic Republican Party (IRP, the cleric's party organization) and the Prime Minister's ofice in the summer of 1981. However, there has been much speculation among academics and observers that these bombing may have actually been planned by senior IRP leaders, including current iranian President Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rasanjani, to rid themselves of rivals with the IRP"
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The editors discussed the reliability of the work by Lincoln P. Bloomfield Jr. I shed light on the author having links to a firm promoting the cause of MEK (the group widely accused to be behind the bombing). Another explanatory comment came just recently by a third party who is an un-involved admin; the comment said the disputed source was not reliable. Please remove the source by Bloomfield along with the materials citing to it. It's obvious that, the " burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material." @ JJMC89: for your attention. Mhhossein talk 13:31, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Unless someone can convincingly counter Someguy1221's points, I'll remove everything cited to Bloomfield. Listed to be explicit:
The Nationalist Equality Party claimed responsibility for the attack,[12] and several people were executed for the incident including four Iraqi agents, and Mehdi Tafari. Iran's security forces blamed the United States[13] and "internal mercenaries".[14][15]
According to a Reuters dispatch in the New York Times on June 30, 1981, "the authorities initially blamed the 'Great Satan' (the US)." Ervand Abrahamian noted that the Islamic Republic "also suspected 'SAVAK survivors and the Iraqi regime." According to The Times, the Nationalist Equality Party claimed credit for the attack. The pro-Soviet Tudeh part was also suspected. According to The Times "a note had been found saying the Forghan group […] had staged the attack". Within days, the regime changed story and blamed the MEK,[16]
A few years later, a Kermanshah tribunal executed four "Iraqi agents" for the incident. Another tribunal in Tehran executed Mehdi Tafari for the same incident. In 1985, the head of military intelligence informed the press that this had been the work of royalist army officers.[22]Iran's security forces blamed the United States (referring to it as the Great Satan)[22] and "internal mercenaries".[23][24]
This will leave the article sounding incomplete, so I suggest coming up with some replacements before I make the edit. Direct citations for Reuters, The New York Times, Abrahamian, and The Times should be simple to substitute in the second item if someone has those citations handy. — JJMC89 ( T· C) 07:39, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
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@ JJMC89: I wonder if you pick up verification Tag. All material included in the article had been verified by RSes. Thanks! Saff V. ( talk) 10:28, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Is the {{ NPOV}} tag on this article still applicable? It's been 10 months since there was any discussion. Pings: Mhhossein, Saff V., Stefka Bulgaria, Someguy1221, Ypatch, Icewhiz, Kazemita1. Thanks. — howcheng { chat} 23:12, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi living under a false name was assasinated in 2015 in the Netherlands, according to Dutch newspaper Dutch police found out only in 2018 it was Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi. Andries ( talk) 16:46, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
Yes, it was MEK:
"...the MeK launched violent attacks against IRP targets, the largest of which—the bombing of the IRP’s Tehran headquarters—killed more than 70 members of the leadership."RAND
"As in the case, in 1981, of the bombs exploded in the head office of the Islamic Republic Party and the Premier’s office, killing some 70 high-ranking Iranian officials."[1]
"...the MEK launched a bomb campaign against the Islamic government. In 1981, it attacked the headquarters of the Islamic Republic Party, killing 74 senior officials including the party leader and 27 members of parliament."The Guardian
"In 1981 the MEK planted bombs in the head office of the Islamic Republic Party and the Premier’s office, killing some 70 high-ranking Iranian officials."[2]
There are certainly more sources on this. So, don't change the well-sourced facts. -- Mhhossein talk 15:59, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
The whole section of Background was removed. while I had checked sources, Unfortunately, the section was based on SYNTH. There was nothing in sources that presented material in Background leads to Hafte Tir bombing. We need sources that exactly say X or Y is the reason for the bombing. Saff V. ( talk) 06:31, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Please consider this edit, Some of my edits was reverted, while:
"As Tasnim News Agency reported, it is not possible..."is not a clearly attributed statement. The state department PDF is a dead link - and this would seem to me to be a primary document (probably reflecting a view point (possibly even not for State as a whole) for a certain time). Isn't there a secondary source, academic preferably, covering all the claims and counterclaims around the 1981 bombing? Using 1-2 good sources would be preferable to primaryish viewpoints. Icewhiz ( talk) 07:44, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
"One week after his removal, MEK's militants bombed IRP headquarters, killing 70 high-ranking members.ABC-CLIO
"From June through September, bombs planted by MEK-notably in the IRP headquarters and governmental offices, killed hundreds... ."Routledge
"On June 28, 1981, they [MEK] set off a bomb in the conference hall of the IRP headquarters, which killed ... "Cambridge University Press.
Also, how can I make more clear attribution from Tasnim report? Would you give me a clue? Saff V. ( talk) 19:38, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
"it is not possible that MEK to be fully responsible for the incident, and the bomb had been transmitted to Iran or built by military technicians in the country, with the help of Western and Israeli spy services. In other words, the United States and Israel,". Which I will note is mildly unlikely given the Israeli-IRI secret arrangement at that time (weapon supplies to IRI, Operation Scorch Sword/ Operation Opera.... Israel was more concerned with Saddam winning, despite the broken relations - Israel's role in the Iran–Iraq war)..... However (my OR here aside), if you really to use Tasnim - then
"according to Tasnim....". I would suggest, however, sticking to academic sources for a 1981 event. Icewhiz ( talk) 19:52, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
"Later a Kermanshah tribunal executed four "Iraqi agents" for the incident, and a tribunal in Tehran executed Mehdi Tafari for the same incident. In 1985, the head of military intelligence informed the press that this had been the work of royalist army officers. Iran's security forces blamed the United States and "internal mercenaries". [1] [2] [3]
According to Tasnim, it is not possible that MEK to be fully responsible for the incident, and the bomb had been transmitted to Iran or built by military technicians in the country, with the help of Western and Israeli spy services. In other words, the United States and Israel, with the sophisticated technology of that day, designed the bomb and plan of operation then presented the bomb and plan to MEK for operating.[4]
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De elektricien 'Ali Motamed' (56) die volgens justitie op 15 december 2015 door Amsterdammers is geliquideerd in Almere, was in werkelijkheid vrijwel zeker de in Iran ter dood veroordeelde aanslagpleger Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi...Hij was in Nederland onder een schuilnaam een nieuw leven begonnen. Reza Kolahi Samadi wordt beschouwd als hoofdverantwoordelijke voor de bomaanslag op 28 juni 1981 op het hoofdkwartier van de Islamitische Republikeinse Partij in Teheran, tijdens een top van partijleiders.You can use google translate. Saff V. ( talk) 12:15, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
After making natural and moderate the material of the article, I pick up the tags. @ Mhhossein: Has any problem remained? Saff V. ( talk) 06:42, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Kazemita1 and Saff V. have been including the following into the article:
In 2018 Dutch media said that the mastermind behind the bombing, Mohammad-Reza Kolahi, was assassinated in the city of Almere on 15 December 2015. Samadi was living undercover as an electrician in the Netherlands since the early 1990s under the name 'Ali Motamed'.[1]
If find there are several problems with this statement. First the article is not about Dutch sources revealing that Samadi was the person responsible for the Hafter tir bombing, but about the suspicious circumstances of his assassination in the Netherlands. Second, the article first introduces the Hafter Tir bombing saying that:
The electrician 'Ali Motamed' (56) who, according to the judiciary, was assassinated by Amsterdammers in Almere on 15 December 2015, was in reality almost certainly the perpetrator Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi, sentenced to death in Iran. He had started a new life in the Netherlands under a pseudonym. Reza Kolahi Samadi is regarded as the main person responsible for the bomb attack on 28 June 1981 at the headquarters of the Islamic Republican Party in Tehran, during a summit of party leaders.
The article first introduces Samadi as the person "regarded as" the main responsible for the Hafter Tir bombing", so they don't need to include "regarded as" every time they mention "Hafter tir" in the remaining of the article. Third, if this story was about AD.nl uncovering that Samadi was behind the attack, then that would be easy to spot in the article, but it's not, because that's not what the article is about. All in all, this seems like a misrepresentation of the source. Please don't revert back into the article until we've reached some kind of consensus first. Thank you. Stefka Bulgaria ( talk) 22:12, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
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This is what the title of the news piece reads
منابع هلندی از «ترور» عامل بمبگذاری در حزب جمهوری اسلامی خبر دادند
The translation from Persian to English is "Dutch sources reported assassination of the person behind IRP headquarter bombing"
. Ask Nikoo.amini to translate it to English for you, although you probably know some Persian yourself.--
Kazemita1 (
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12:43, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Not to say I agree with what you said, but this is one of the Dutch sources. Make sure you accept the cookies first, before copying the content to Google translate.-- Kazemita1 ( talk) 15:08, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Hij was in Nederland onder een schuilnaam een nieuw leven begonnen. Reza Kolahi Samadi wordt beschouwd als hoofdverantwoordelijke voor de bomaanslag op 28 juni 1981 op het hoofdkwartier van de Islamitische Republikeinse Partij in Teheran, tijdens een top van partijleiders.
which translates to:
He had started a new life in the Netherlands under a pseudonym. Reza Kolahi Samadi is regarded as the main person responsible for the bomb attack on 28 June 1981 at the headquarters of the Islamic Republican Party in Tehran, during a summit of party leaders.
Also,
Reza Kolahi Samadi zou als student een baantje hebben weten te bemachtigen als geluidstechnicus in het complex waar hij de aanslag pleegde. Hij was een prominent lid van de sjiitische 'verzetsbeweging' Mujahedeen-Khalq (letterlijk: heilige strijders van het volk) voor hij in de jaren tachtig als politiek vluchteling naar Nederland kwam.
which translates to:
As a student, Reza Kolahi Samadi would have managed to get a job as a sound engineer in the complex where he committed the attack. He was a prominent member of the Shiite 'resistance movement' Mujahedeen-Khalq (literally: holy fighters of the people) before he came to the Netherlands as a political refugee in the 1980s.
He is saying it plainly without quoting or attributing.-- Kazemita1 ( talk) 00:08, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
On the day of the deadly attack, Samadi reportedly carried a powerful bomb hidden in his personal briefcase into the party’s headquarters in the heart of Tehran, where almost all of the party’s top officials had gathered....The man behind the massacre was officially named as nineteen-year old student and MKO member, Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi....Radio Farda
Later, MKO clandestinely paved the way for Samai Kolahi to infiltrate the ruling Islamic Republic Party, serving first as a manager of sound and audio systems but quickly rising through the party ranks...On the day of the deadly attack, Samadi Kolahi reportedly carried a bomb hidden in his briefcase into the party’s headquarters in the heart of Tehran, where almost all of the party’s top officials were gathered at the time.Samadi Kolahi left minutes before the bomb went off, and after hiding for a time in an MKO safe house, fled Iran through its western border with Iraq and made his way to Europe.Radio Farda
Motamed’s real name was Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi, an Iranian dissident sentenced to death in absentia after fleeing the country in 1981, accused of planting a bomb at the Islamic Republic party’s headquarters, killing 73 people.theguardian
The man killed in 2015 was named as Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi, 56, who had previously been sentenced to death in Iran after being accused of planting a bomb at the Islamic Republic party’s headquarters in 1981, killing 73 people.theguardian
Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi, was a prominent member of a Shi’ite opposition group and had been sentenced to death in Iran for suspected involvement in a bomb attack on the headquarters of the Islamic Republican Party in Tehran in 1981.dutchnews
BEIRUT, Lebanon, July 6 (AP) - An unarmed spokesman for Iran's revolutionary guards said in an interview on Teheran radio today that Mohammad Reza Kolahi, a 23-year-old student and member of the Mujahedeen-i-Khalq, was suspected of planting two bombs that killed 72 Islamic Republican Party leaders on June 28 at the party headquarters.NYT
and finally the reports of washengtone and James Buchan 's book (page 293). Saff V. ( talk) 08:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, but there are sources that take it beyond suspicion and name him as the actual person behind Hafte Tir bombing.
This dutch source was recently deemed reliable both by Icewhiz
here and the
WP:RSN
here.--
Kazemita1 (
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11:16, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
"Motamed’s real name was Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi, an Iranian dissident sentenced to death in absentia after fleeing the country in 1981, accused of planting a bomb at the Islamic Republic party’s headquarters, killing 73 people. Among the dead was the second-in-command to Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, then Iran’s supreme leader. Samadi had long known he was on a death list, although he only confided his real name to Galina in 2000, five years into their marriage, and he had withheld the full truth from his son, pledging to tell all when he turned 18."
"The man killed in 2015 was named as Mohammad Reza Kolahi Samadi, 56, who had previously been sentenced to death in Iran after being accused of planting a bomb at the Islamic Republic party’s headquarters in 1981, killing 73 people. ... Samadi, who had been in the building shortly before the explosion, was accused of the attack and fled to Europe. He was sentenced to death in absentia.".
Any way by passing this discussion is there any disagreement that Kolahi is in charge of the responsibility of bombing and creating a section about his death(based on introduced RSe). I agree with this of Icewhiz but unfortunately, it was reverted by Stefka. Saff V. ( talk) 11:12, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
There also seems to be some disagreement about what the lede should include. Please include any proposed updates to the lede here for further discussion. Thanks you, Stefka Bulgaria ( talk) 00:56, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should the accusing of Iraqi agents or Mehdi Tafari for the responsibility of Hafte Tir bombing be removed from lead and restored in the body? Saff V. ( talk) 10:10, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
And possibly add a short blurb on that various parties have been accused of this. It seems everyone at least agrees there was a bombing (killing 73). If and when this article is properly developed in the body in terms of covering the investigations/allegations/executions/counter-claims - then perhaps we should summarize all of it in the lede in a separate paragraph from the bombing it self. At present article length - 7,405 bytes of a prose - a short lede suffices. Icewhiz ( talk) 07:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)On 28 June 1981 (7 Tir 1360 (Hafte Tir – هفت تیر) in the Iranian calendar), a powerful bomb went off at the headquarters of the Iran Islamic Republic Party (IRP) in Tehran, while a meeting of party leaders was in progress. Seventy-three leading officials of the Islamic Republic were killed, including Chief Justice Ayatollah Mohammad Beheshti [1] [2] [2] [3] (who was the second-most powerful figure in the revolution after Ayatollah Khomeini at the time).
On 28 June 1981 (7 Tir 1360 (Hafte Tir – هفت تیر) in the Iranian calendar), a powerful bomb went off at the headquarters of the Iran Islamic Republic Party (IRP) in Tehran, while a meeting of party leaders was in progress. Seventy-three leading officials of the Islamic Republic were killed, including Chief Justice Ayatollah Mohammad Beheshti[1][2][2][3] (who was the second-most powerful figure in the revolution after Ayatollah Khomeini at the time).
Ypatch ( talk) 18:01, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
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@ El C: while the RFC did not have any outcome, Stefka reverted the edit just based on his opinion actually vote! In other hands, Alex-h reverted it with no discussion in TP, While other users were passing long debate around that edits. I was wondering if you could possibly review two edits and revert it? Saff V. ( talk) 10:46, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
As it was discussed by Mhhossein, Lincoln P. Bloomfield Jr. can't be an independent author subsequently sources belongs to him is not natural. The source (actually author ) closely affiliated with the subject and WP:INDY is violated. At least such disputed should not use in lead to make it unbalanced. Saff V. ( talk) 07:14, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
" Lincoln P. Bloomfield Jr., it's know that Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld, a lobbying firm where Bloomfield is a Senior Adviso, was hired "to persuade members of Congress to support its cause and has taken out several $100,000-plus newspaper advertisements." [4]". -- Mhhossein talk 13:03, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
"The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material."-- Mhhossein talk 11:33, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
This is a weird book, and I dispute that it was even published by a reliable academic press. The publisher is listed consistently (Worldcat, Google, Amazon) as "University of Baltimore College of Public Affairs". This is literally the only book that is so listed. Copies of the book are only held in four libraries, which would be very unusual for a book that was actually published by a University Press. In fact, I can't find any evidence that the University of Baltimore (or it's parent, University of Maryland) even has a real University Press. The only other items at Worldcat listing UofB as a publisher (the university itself, not the specific department) are student theses. The only publishing support the university provides is to help people get their work online. There is a very obscure and rarely listed publisher "University of Maryland Press" that seems to actually be "Capital Decisions, Ltd.", whose address is literally just a dude's house in Bethesda, Maryland. These are unrelated to "publishing support" and printing services offered by the universities that are only publishing in the literal sense - there are no editors. tldr; I'm pretty sure this is a vanity publication. Someguy1221 ( talk) 06:09, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
This is how Abrahamian frames it:
Ervand Abrahamian"Even now it is not clear who planted the bomb. Immediately after the event, the authorities blamed SAVAK survivors and the Iraqi regime. Two days later, Khomeini pointed his finger at the Mojahedin... Some years later, a tribunal in Kermanshah quietly execute four 'Iraqi agents' for the deed. Another tribunal in Tehran also quietly execute a certain Mehdi Tafari for the same deed but did mention any internal or external links... Finally, the head of military intelligence informed the press in April 1985 that the bombing had been the work not o the Mojahedin but of royalist army officers. Whatever the truth, the Islamic Republic used the incident to wage war on the Left opposition in general and the Mojahedin in particular.
Albert V. Benliot"The Khomeini regime also charged the group with responsiblity for bombings at the headquarters of the Islamic Republican Party (IRP, the cleric's party organization) and the Prime Minister's ofice in the summer of 1981. However, there has been much speculation among academics and observers that these bombing may have actually been planned by senior IRP leaders, including current iranian President Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rasanjani, to rid themselves of rivals with the IRP"
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The editors discussed the reliability of the work by Lincoln P. Bloomfield Jr. I shed light on the author having links to a firm promoting the cause of MEK (the group widely accused to be behind the bombing). Another explanatory comment came just recently by a third party who is an un-involved admin; the comment said the disputed source was not reliable. Please remove the source by Bloomfield along with the materials citing to it. It's obvious that, the " burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material." @ JJMC89: for your attention. Mhhossein talk 13:31, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Unless someone can convincingly counter Someguy1221's points, I'll remove everything cited to Bloomfield. Listed to be explicit:
The Nationalist Equality Party claimed responsibility for the attack,[12] and several people were executed for the incident including four Iraqi agents, and Mehdi Tafari. Iran's security forces blamed the United States[13] and "internal mercenaries".[14][15]
According to a Reuters dispatch in the New York Times on June 30, 1981, "the authorities initially blamed the 'Great Satan' (the US)." Ervand Abrahamian noted that the Islamic Republic "also suspected 'SAVAK survivors and the Iraqi regime." According to The Times, the Nationalist Equality Party claimed credit for the attack. The pro-Soviet Tudeh part was also suspected. According to The Times "a note had been found saying the Forghan group […] had staged the attack". Within days, the regime changed story and blamed the MEK,[16]
A few years later, a Kermanshah tribunal executed four "Iraqi agents" for the incident. Another tribunal in Tehran executed Mehdi Tafari for the same incident. In 1985, the head of military intelligence informed the press that this had been the work of royalist army officers.[22]Iran's security forces blamed the United States (referring to it as the Great Satan)[22] and "internal mercenaries".[23][24]
This will leave the article sounding incomplete, so I suggest coming up with some replacements before I make the edit. Direct citations for Reuters, The New York Times, Abrahamian, and The Times should be simple to substitute in the second item if someone has those citations handy. — JJMC89 ( T· C) 07:39, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
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@ JJMC89: I wonder if you pick up verification Tag. All material included in the article had been verified by RSes. Thanks! Saff V. ( talk) 10:28, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Is the {{ NPOV}} tag on this article still applicable? It's been 10 months since there was any discussion. Pings: Mhhossein, Saff V., Stefka Bulgaria, Someguy1221, Ypatch, Icewhiz, Kazemita1. Thanks. — howcheng { chat} 23:12, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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