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We’re not an ethno-religious group, we’re a pan-ethnicity made up of various ethnic groups in Eritrea and Ethiopia, this has nothing to do with a religious group. Around 45% of Habeshas are Muslim, 1% are Jewish, approximately 2% are animist, and ~ 52% are Christian, not all Habeshas are Christian. Stop conflating pan-ethnicity or ethnicity with religious, we’re not an ethno-religious group like the Copts which are an ethno-religions group.
Most habeshas are Christian what is your definition of habesha? (I hope your not an Amhara Ethiopianis) SonOfAxum ( talk) 17:30, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Thought I'd bring this here since it edged on an edit war: I have edited the end of the lead ¶ to read:
The term is used in varying degrees of exclusion and inclusivity: At one extreme, the term is currently sometimes employed in a restrictive sense to only refer to speakers of Tigrinya; it usually includes all highland Semitic language-speaking Christians; sometimes it is employed in an expanded sense to include Muslim communities as well as Christians. Recently, some within diasporic communities have adopted the term to refer to all people of Eritrean or Ethiopian origin.
I do not think that the previous stable version implied that only Tigrayans were legitimately Habeshas; I believe that it explicitly said that some people used the term in this way, while other usages—including the pan-Ethiopian/Eritrean inclusive usage—existed. Nonetheless, to try to avoid misunderstanding, I have attempted to make this more explicit.
The point of including this in the lead paragraph is to recognize the breadth of variation in the use of the term Habesha. I believe that the Tigrinya-speaker-only usage is the most restrictive definition we have dealt with. That is its significance. I hope that that's clear. Pathawi ( talk) 12:31, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Pathawi: From a cognitive viewpoint, first mention creates prominence even if accompanied by conjunctions and adverbs which tell the careful reader that this isn't so. Your "spectral" approach makes perfect sense, but the most common usage becomes sandwiched inbetween less notable "definitions". This will be a stumbling stone for readers who develop their attitude (with adrenalin and all) towards a statement after reading/hearing the first seven words ;) What do you think about this "primary meaning first" version:
– Austronesier ( talk) 08:55, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
The summary doesn't match the content of the page at all. I mentioned the ethnic groups who identify as Habesha, but was removed by some users. They summary only mention Tigrinya speaker, which is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.89.46.70 ( talk) 12:48, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Yates, Brian J. “From Hated to Häbäsha: Oromo Identity Shifts in Wällo and Shäwa during the Late Nineteenth Century.” African Identities, vol. 14, no. 3, Aug. 2016, pp. 194–208. EBSCOhost, doi:10.1080/14725843.2015.1121462. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbiyAbiy ( talk • contribs) 02:38, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
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We’re not an ethno-religious group, we’re a pan-ethnicity made up of various ethnic groups in Eritrea and Ethiopia, this has nothing to do with a religious group. Around 45% of Habeshas are Muslim, 1% are Jewish, approximately 2% are animist, and ~ 52% are Christian, not all Habeshas are Christian. Stop conflating pan-ethnicity or ethnicity with religious, we’re not an ethno-religious group like the Copts which are an ethno-religions group.
Most habeshas are Christian what is your definition of habesha? (I hope your not an Amhara Ethiopianis) SonOfAxum ( talk) 17:30, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Thought I'd bring this here since it edged on an edit war: I have edited the end of the lead ¶ to read:
The term is used in varying degrees of exclusion and inclusivity: At one extreme, the term is currently sometimes employed in a restrictive sense to only refer to speakers of Tigrinya; it usually includes all highland Semitic language-speaking Christians; sometimes it is employed in an expanded sense to include Muslim communities as well as Christians. Recently, some within diasporic communities have adopted the term to refer to all people of Eritrean or Ethiopian origin.
I do not think that the previous stable version implied that only Tigrayans were legitimately Habeshas; I believe that it explicitly said that some people used the term in this way, while other usages—including the pan-Ethiopian/Eritrean inclusive usage—existed. Nonetheless, to try to avoid misunderstanding, I have attempted to make this more explicit.
The point of including this in the lead paragraph is to recognize the breadth of variation in the use of the term Habesha. I believe that the Tigrinya-speaker-only usage is the most restrictive definition we have dealt with. That is its significance. I hope that that's clear. Pathawi ( talk) 12:31, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Pathawi: From a cognitive viewpoint, first mention creates prominence even if accompanied by conjunctions and adverbs which tell the careful reader that this isn't so. Your "spectral" approach makes perfect sense, but the most common usage becomes sandwiched inbetween less notable "definitions". This will be a stumbling stone for readers who develop their attitude (with adrenalin and all) towards a statement after reading/hearing the first seven words ;) What do you think about this "primary meaning first" version:
– Austronesier ( talk) 08:55, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
The summary doesn't match the content of the page at all. I mentioned the ethnic groups who identify as Habesha, but was removed by some users. They summary only mention Tigrinya speaker, which is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.89.46.70 ( talk) 12:48, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Yates, Brian J. “From Hated to Häbäsha: Oromo Identity Shifts in Wällo and Shäwa during the Late Nineteenth Century.” African Identities, vol. 14, no. 3, Aug. 2016, pp. 194–208. EBSCOhost, doi:10.1080/14725843.2015.1121462. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbiyAbiy ( talk • contribs) 02:38, 9 December 2020 (UTC)