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hi i agree with merging hp and hp inc to one article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.213.44.206 ( talk) 06:44, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
The contents of the Hewlett-Packard article should be moved here, and that page should be changed to a redirect page to this one. The Hewlett-Packard corporation is not defunct, it simply changed its name to HP, Inc. This is made unambiguously clear in their Form 10-K submitted to the United States Securities and Exchange Commission. Form 10-K is a legal document with heavy penalties for incorrect factual statements. The submitted form says, "HP was incorporated in 1947 under the laws of the state of California as the successor to a partnership founded in 1939 by William R. Hewlett and David Packard. Effective in May 1998, we changed our state of incorporation from California to Delaware." (Part 1, page 4). Corporations change their names all the time and I assume there is a standard Wikipedia method for handling such name changes. Nick Beeson ( talk) 11:07, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
As stated above, "HP Inc." is a very short article and all contents from Hewlett-Packard must be transferred here, accompanied with the "Formerly called" text, and the same information regardless with the info about the split. DelightWell ( talk) 02:59, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
As per WP:SEEALSO Hewlett Packard Enterprise can't be in the "See also" while also being in the body of the text. Sincerely, -- 86.81.201.94 ( talk) 20:56, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
As per WP:SEEALSO links should be revised. -- 86.81.201.94 ( talk) 21:34, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Editors should please note that this page refers to the company created by the split of the original Hewlett-Packard on Nov 1, 2015, and should ONLY be linked to from other articles if the context refers to events AFTER the split. Any references to HP prior to the split should be linked directly to Hewlett-Packard. I would appreciate if editors could go through all the pages that link to here and HP Enterprise and correct those that reference events before Nov 1, 2015: see here for an example of what I would like to be done. Thanks for your help, <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> ( talk) 22:48, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
The infobox currently lists Hewlett-Packard, Compaq, Tandem Computers, Digital Equipment Corporation, and 3Com as "predecessors".
The old HP acquired Compaq, Tandem, and 3Com; however, those parts of HP went into HPE, not HP. (HP didn't acquire DEC, they acquired Compaq who acquired DEC.)
As such, I'm not sure it's appropriate to list those companies as predecessors to HP Inc., given that, when HP split into HP Inc. and HPE, the parts of the company that's responsible for the products that came from those acquisitions went into HPE, not HP Inc..
(I'm also not sure they should be considered "predecessors" of HPE or Hewlett-Packard, given that they were purchased by Hewlett-Packard - that was more like "eaten by HP" rather than "was one of the organizations from which HP grew", but that's not as strong an objection. Guy Harris ( talk) 04:14, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
I have a slight objection, yes HPE has products resultant from Tandem, 3PAR, and 3Com's acquisitions, but Compaq's remnants didn't go into HPE. I'm of a mixed opinion about DEC, about the only thing that Digital made which still has some representation at HPE is OpenVMS, they still sell servers made for OpenVMS but even then they're not developing it anymore. There's nothing from DEC represented at HP Inc really. The Compaq name has been retired but HP Inc makes the successors to a lot of Compaq's products, like the Elite line which HP Inc uses for the high end of their business notebook and desktop models (I work in Elite hardware support). Some Compaq products aren't End of Life just yet either. HP Inc also operates out of the old Compaq facility in Houston, its the largest in the company as a matter of fact. Internally we refer to it as CCA (Compaq Campus Americas). Disclosure: I'm an HP employee. The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of HP Inc, its shareholders, vendors, contractors, or suppliers. 192.56.11.5 ( talk) 04:05, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
Hewlett-Packard was renamed to Hp Inc. and Hewlett Packard Enterprise was just spun off, just because HPE was spun off doesn't mean the company was split. The company was technically just renamed to HP Inc. This page also lacks a history section and the Hewlett-Packard page is mostly history with other sections that would fit into the scope of this page as they are the same company. Having the pages separate to make it seems like HP has no history and isn't as important of a brand as it is (which is covered in Hewlett-Packard). Also, this article is rather short for such a big tech company and a lot potential content that could be on this article is at Hewlett-Packard. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 04:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
@ BrandonXLF: This situation looks a little complex, a great discussion is needed. To me, it looks like Hewlett-Packard was split into two companies in 2015. If that's the case, Hewlett-Packard should've moved to HP Inc (obviously after an RM discussion) and not text-merged especially without proper attribution and with just one user claiming there is consensus in silence/the lack of opposition. Hewlett-Packard, created in 2001 with over 5,000 revisions, should be the primary page and the 2015-created page with about 500 revisions should be merged into the former if there is consensus but there doesn't appear to be. I hereby oppose merging and would recommend starting an RM discussion. Flooded with them hundreds 07:30, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
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I was wondering if I should include HP's subsidiaries in the infobox. My main concern is that there's a lot of them. The example to the right has all of them. Any suggestions on what to do or if I shouldn't include them? We could also make a page called List of HP subsidiaries with a list of the subsidiaries (see below). – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 21:50, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
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After looking at other companies, I'll go with the separate article. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 19:37, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
What on earth are 3D printing solutions? if 3D printers is meant, say so. 31.52.252.141 ( talk) 16:23, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
I think chromebook should be added to the current list of Laptops PranshuT ( talk) 10:39, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes I agree Shellyshubh ( talk) 05:39, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
I propose that controversies related to predecessor companies be removed from the HP Inc page as they are already covered on the Hewlett-Packard page. There is no need to duplicate information here and the company has changed structure, etc. since they occured. Gusfriend ( talk) 02:19, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
This is presented in such as way as to suggest that it was a minus-figure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:5988:EC00:581B:FECA:7572:6CBE ( talk) 14:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Total equity or net worth held in the company; shareholder equity for public companies.
The term shareholder equity (SE) refers to a company's net worth or the total dollar amount that would be returned to its shareholders if the company is liquidated after all debts are paid off. As such, SE is the owners' residual claim on assets after all debts are satisfied. Shareholder equity is equal to a firm's total assets minus its total liabilities. Retained earnings are part of shareholder equity as is any capital invested into the company.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
In 2015 HP "split" but strictly speaking it involved the spin-off of part of its business which became
Hewlett-Packard Enterprise.
[1]
[2] The HP press release says that "HP (to be renamed HP Inc.) will continue to trade on the NYSE under the ticker symbol “HPQ”."
[3] The old HP was simply renamed legally to 'HP Inc.' while spinning off a part of the business. It continued to trade with the same stock symbol, and it continued to use that same HP circle logo and brand (and the Hewlett-Packard name), while HPE went into another direction.
So I think we shouldn't have a separate article. the original HP did not 'cease to exist' in 2015, it was simply restructured and was legally renamed. Also take PRIMARYTOPIC into account, with the Hewlett-Packard article getting a lot of views and having a lot of content despite being "defunct".
FYI the German and Polish wikipedia articles for HP did not split them - the Polish article starts off as HP Inc. (prior to 2015: Hewlett-Packard Company), and that's how I think we should do ours too. Chiffonr ( talk) 18:10, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
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Hey, I'm wondering where do I put the Ferrari-HP partnership in this article. I can't find a specific section for sponsorships and I feel like this would be informative to add. DualSkream ( Talk) 8:22, 7 May 2024 (EST)
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HP Inc. → HP – Primary topic. Probably half of the links on HP (disambiguation) are rarely, if ever, referred to as "HP" — most of the articles don't mention "HP" in the lead — and should probably be removed from the list anyway per WP:DABACRONYM. The most notable entries that are commonly referred to as "HP" are HP Inc. and its predecessor, Hewlett-Packard, the latter of which was commonly referred to by its full name and is therefore naturally disambiguated. Pageviews show Harry Potter with a sizable lead (unsurprising, but no evidence suggests "HP" is commonly used to mean "Harry Potter"), followed by several similar cases before HP. Horsepower is an interesting case, as it's arguably equally notable in terms of long-term significance, but WP:DIFFCAPS comes into play. Plenty of other two-letter companies are undisambiguated or redirect to the company's article, e.g. LG, GE, BP, EA, GQ, VW, QQ, 3M, etc. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 23:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 02:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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hi i agree with merging hp and hp inc to one article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.213.44.206 ( talk) 06:44, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
The contents of the Hewlett-Packard article should be moved here, and that page should be changed to a redirect page to this one. The Hewlett-Packard corporation is not defunct, it simply changed its name to HP, Inc. This is made unambiguously clear in their Form 10-K submitted to the United States Securities and Exchange Commission. Form 10-K is a legal document with heavy penalties for incorrect factual statements. The submitted form says, "HP was incorporated in 1947 under the laws of the state of California as the successor to a partnership founded in 1939 by William R. Hewlett and David Packard. Effective in May 1998, we changed our state of incorporation from California to Delaware." (Part 1, page 4). Corporations change their names all the time and I assume there is a standard Wikipedia method for handling such name changes. Nick Beeson ( talk) 11:07, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
As stated above, "HP Inc." is a very short article and all contents from Hewlett-Packard must be transferred here, accompanied with the "Formerly called" text, and the same information regardless with the info about the split. DelightWell ( talk) 02:59, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
As per WP:SEEALSO Hewlett Packard Enterprise can't be in the "See also" while also being in the body of the text. Sincerely, -- 86.81.201.94 ( talk) 20:56, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
As per WP:SEEALSO links should be revised. -- 86.81.201.94 ( talk) 21:34, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Editors should please note that this page refers to the company created by the split of the original Hewlett-Packard on Nov 1, 2015, and should ONLY be linked to from other articles if the context refers to events AFTER the split. Any references to HP prior to the split should be linked directly to Hewlett-Packard. I would appreciate if editors could go through all the pages that link to here and HP Enterprise and correct those that reference events before Nov 1, 2015: see here for an example of what I would like to be done. Thanks for your help, <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> ( talk) 22:48, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
The infobox currently lists Hewlett-Packard, Compaq, Tandem Computers, Digital Equipment Corporation, and 3Com as "predecessors".
The old HP acquired Compaq, Tandem, and 3Com; however, those parts of HP went into HPE, not HP. (HP didn't acquire DEC, they acquired Compaq who acquired DEC.)
As such, I'm not sure it's appropriate to list those companies as predecessors to HP Inc., given that, when HP split into HP Inc. and HPE, the parts of the company that's responsible for the products that came from those acquisitions went into HPE, not HP Inc..
(I'm also not sure they should be considered "predecessors" of HPE or Hewlett-Packard, given that they were purchased by Hewlett-Packard - that was more like "eaten by HP" rather than "was one of the organizations from which HP grew", but that's not as strong an objection. Guy Harris ( talk) 04:14, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
I have a slight objection, yes HPE has products resultant from Tandem, 3PAR, and 3Com's acquisitions, but Compaq's remnants didn't go into HPE. I'm of a mixed opinion about DEC, about the only thing that Digital made which still has some representation at HPE is OpenVMS, they still sell servers made for OpenVMS but even then they're not developing it anymore. There's nothing from DEC represented at HP Inc really. The Compaq name has been retired but HP Inc makes the successors to a lot of Compaq's products, like the Elite line which HP Inc uses for the high end of their business notebook and desktop models (I work in Elite hardware support). Some Compaq products aren't End of Life just yet either. HP Inc also operates out of the old Compaq facility in Houston, its the largest in the company as a matter of fact. Internally we refer to it as CCA (Compaq Campus Americas). Disclosure: I'm an HP employee. The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of HP Inc, its shareholders, vendors, contractors, or suppliers. 192.56.11.5 ( talk) 04:05, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
Hewlett-Packard was renamed to Hp Inc. and Hewlett Packard Enterprise was just spun off, just because HPE was spun off doesn't mean the company was split. The company was technically just renamed to HP Inc. This page also lacks a history section and the Hewlett-Packard page is mostly history with other sections that would fit into the scope of this page as they are the same company. Having the pages separate to make it seems like HP has no history and isn't as important of a brand as it is (which is covered in Hewlett-Packard). Also, this article is rather short for such a big tech company and a lot potential content that could be on this article is at Hewlett-Packard. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 04:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
@ BrandonXLF: This situation looks a little complex, a great discussion is needed. To me, it looks like Hewlett-Packard was split into two companies in 2015. If that's the case, Hewlett-Packard should've moved to HP Inc (obviously after an RM discussion) and not text-merged especially without proper attribution and with just one user claiming there is consensus in silence/the lack of opposition. Hewlett-Packard, created in 2001 with over 5,000 revisions, should be the primary page and the 2015-created page with about 500 revisions should be merged into the former if there is consensus but there doesn't appear to be. I hereby oppose merging and would recommend starting an RM discussion. Flooded with them hundreds 07:30, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Hewlett-Packard which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 03:47, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
I was wondering if I should include HP's subsidiaries in the infobox. My main concern is that there's a lot of them. The example to the right has all of them. Any suggestions on what to do or if I shouldn't include them? We could also make a page called List of HP subsidiaries with a list of the subsidiaries (see below). – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 21:50, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
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After looking at other companies, I'll go with the separate article. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 19:37, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
What on earth are 3D printing solutions? if 3D printers is meant, say so. 31.52.252.141 ( talk) 16:23, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
I think chromebook should be added to the current list of Laptops PranshuT ( talk) 10:39, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes I agree Shellyshubh ( talk) 05:39, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
I propose that controversies related to predecessor companies be removed from the HP Inc page as they are already covered on the Hewlett-Packard page. There is no need to duplicate information here and the company has changed structure, etc. since they occured. Gusfriend ( talk) 02:19, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
This is presented in such as way as to suggest that it was a minus-figure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:5988:EC00:581B:FECA:7572:6CBE ( talk) 14:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Total equity or net worth held in the company; shareholder equity for public companies.
The term shareholder equity (SE) refers to a company's net worth or the total dollar amount that would be returned to its shareholders if the company is liquidated after all debts are paid off. As such, SE is the owners' residual claim on assets after all debts are satisfied. Shareholder equity is equal to a firm's total assets minus its total liabilities. Retained earnings are part of shareholder equity as is any capital invested into the company.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
In 2015 HP "split" but strictly speaking it involved the spin-off of part of its business which became
Hewlett-Packard Enterprise.
[1]
[2] The HP press release says that "HP (to be renamed HP Inc.) will continue to trade on the NYSE under the ticker symbol “HPQ”."
[3] The old HP was simply renamed legally to 'HP Inc.' while spinning off a part of the business. It continued to trade with the same stock symbol, and it continued to use that same HP circle logo and brand (and the Hewlett-Packard name), while HPE went into another direction.
So I think we shouldn't have a separate article. the original HP did not 'cease to exist' in 2015, it was simply restructured and was legally renamed. Also take PRIMARYTOPIC into account, with the Hewlett-Packard article getting a lot of views and having a lot of content despite being "defunct".
FYI the German and Polish wikipedia articles for HP did not split them - the Polish article starts off as HP Inc. (prior to 2015: Hewlett-Packard Company), and that's how I think we should do ours too. Chiffonr ( talk) 18:10, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
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Hey, I'm wondering where do I put the Ferrari-HP partnership in this article. I can't find a specific section for sponsorships and I feel like this would be informative to add. DualSkream ( Talk) 8:22, 7 May 2024 (EST)
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HP Inc. → HP – Primary topic. Probably half of the links on HP (disambiguation) are rarely, if ever, referred to as "HP" — most of the articles don't mention "HP" in the lead — and should probably be removed from the list anyway per WP:DABACRONYM. The most notable entries that are commonly referred to as "HP" are HP Inc. and its predecessor, Hewlett-Packard, the latter of which was commonly referred to by its full name and is therefore naturally disambiguated. Pageviews show Harry Potter with a sizable lead (unsurprising, but no evidence suggests "HP" is commonly used to mean "Harry Potter"), followed by several similar cases before HP. Horsepower is an interesting case, as it's arguably equally notable in terms of long-term significance, but WP:DIFFCAPS comes into play. Plenty of other two-letter companies are undisambiguated or redirect to the company's article, e.g. LG, GE, BP, EA, GQ, VW, QQ, 3M, etc. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 23:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 02:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)