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Under "symptoms and complications" we have the following: "Without antiretroviral therapy, death normally occurs within a year." Nevertheless, the adjacent graph shows that death in an "untreated HIV infection" occurs after about 11 years. Any ideas?
Would like to remind people that Magic Johnson was one of the first celebrities to be diagnosed with HIV infection (or was it AIDS?) in the mid-1980s ... that's twenty years ago ... and is still alive. -- mwtzz
See http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1783649,00.html for new information on AIDS origin.
Death is not immiment in Aids cases. For example, I was diagnosed with full, blown Aids (I was sick and dying) I took the anti-virals for a period of time. I learned about what Aids is and is not. I am now what is termed an Aids Rethinker, as I do not believe that hiv has scientifically been proven to cause Aids or anything else. Currently, I am on my 7th month off of all Aids medications. My blood work is fine and I have no clinical symptoms. I would be happy to elaborate if necessary. Noreen Martin Noreen martin 18:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
This line asserts that roughly half the human population has AIDS...
"In 2005 alone, AIDS claimed between an estimated 2.8 and 3.6 billion, of which more than 570,000,000 were children"
Am I misunderstanding this? The source link is broken, but either way this looks way, way too high!
I believe that line was a typo. From my understanding AIDS claims an estimated 2.8 and 3.6 million, not billion. The user probably was simply mistyping instead of giving misleading information or vandalism. jkgarrett
No, it was vandalism, as it previously stated million, and that user changed it to billion. -- Bob 16:43, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
any reason we've been getting like a billion vandalisms in the last few days? i mean, look at the history.... JoeSmack Talk 17:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Same thing happens with gay (which was getting vandalised about 20 times a day for a while recently), homosexual, anal sex, The Da Vinci Code.... I could go on. Vandals suck, but for some reason the current consensus seems to be to allow unregistered (and therefore more difficult to prevent from engaging in vandalism) users to edit any article. Exploding Boy 18:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Humans with the Delta 32 gene are immune to infection. Could someone add this to the article please?
The soapbox issie was removed and relevant information left in with a reference. This is an important issue to include as it is semi-related to the catholic stance on this issue. -- Bob 15:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there any link between these two? It seems so. Skinnyweed 18:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Does Wikipedia have no AIDS by country articles? savidan (talk) (e@) 05:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I haven't yet gone through, but unless someone beats me to it, much of this article should be updated to use the most recent UNAIDS report as the source for "current" estimates. In particular, estimates of new infections and mortality for 2005 have been revised sharply downwards compared to the earlier reports we quote (see Ch. 2); we claim that there was a sharp increase from 2004, but this is no longer believed to be the case. No doubt numerous other estimates have been revised as well. -- Delirium 18:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I would like to know about India and UK, if someone can, please.
I recorded a spoken version of this article, but the formatting in the external links section prevents the speaker icon from showing up next to the featured star unless the links section is visible. Is there a workaround for this? Moulder 19:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
...a slight majority of those infected with HIV were male homosexuals (58% of all cases).
Ok, so that means 42% were not male homosexuals, and I believe we can assume that roughly half (21%) of that are males, the other half females (because the 42% is not gay).
So, with regards to straight males vs. gay males, almost 3 times the number of gay males have AIDS. This is not a slight majority.
Should it be noted that the current most substantial (and common) reason for the jump of the virus from primates to humans is that it came from the practices of many poor and starving Central Africans of going into the bush/forest and subsequent unchecked butchering of various animals for meat? All kinds of animals, primarily primates, were indiscriminately consumed at home or sold at market this way and many people keep doing this. The viruses probably jumped due to continued handling/eating of a certain monkey species which was locally infected. This was mentioned in a Discovery Channel documentary on Ebola, AIDs, and other viruses of continental African origin. Discuss?-- Exander 00:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
AIDS originating from poor and starving Central Africans just does not make sense to me. I feel that is a man made virus and it's main goal is human elimination (poor, gay. etc). Though many may not agree with me, I think the virus was originally created for race elimination. Plus Africa is a valuable land from a diamond and oil perspective that the westernalized governments would love to own. I could be wrong but I feel there is much more to this then what we see on the surface. (Jade) 12 July 2006
If the article's protected, how are people still managing to vandalise it? Exploding Boy 03:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Well that seems a little pointless. Could whoever protected it change it to s-protect (at minimum--full protect would be better probably, since at least 2 of the recent vandals have been registered (though new) users). Exploding Boy 04:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Hmm. Bad policy. It would be far better to create a template that alerts users that the current featured article will be unavailable for editing as long as it remains the current featured article. This would make more sense anyway: the article was featured on the basis of its state when the FAC vote was concluded. Exploding Boy 04:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Frankly I'm amazed this one ever made it to FA status in the first place, considering how regularly it gets vandalised. Exploding Boy 04:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
If the devs ever get around to releasing their "last good state" feature, most of our troubles will be gone. Readers will see an approved version of the article, and editors will edit the true version; meanwhile, admins (or maybe even long-term registered users) will sift through new edits to see which are/aren't vandalism, and choose those edits as becoming part of the latest approved version (with something this involved, making it simple to do would be nice). So there won't be any rush, or any threat of normal readers viewing anything "bad", at least for the high-traffic articles. And we'll maintain our goal of "anyone can edit", even on George W. Bush. — BRIAN 0918 • 2006-06-15 05:30
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I just dropped by from the german version, to read this article, because the english articles are often much more detailed and better recherched! But this time it is not. In german there are at least a few information about the risks of giving oral sex to a woman. But here I found none. I would be really glad if there would be someone who could add something about this.
The AIDS syndrome is unique in that the enormous number of "AIDS Dissidents" are united in their analysis. Do a Google search for "aids dissidents" - 32,000 hits. - Ivor Catt
Is there a reason the references are so spaced out? It makes the wikitext impossible to read. If nobody objects, I'll take away the spacing, which should also take out a few GB from the article size. See Cannabis (drug) for an example of what that would look like. -- Rory096 14:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I clicked through today from the front page and I must say, impressive article! Sometimes I wonder as to how FA articles qualified when they seem marginal, but I have no doubts here! Well done. -- Falcorian (talk) 16:02, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
See Image talk:Aids in africa graph.gif for my objection to this graph. Ideogram 17:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm, maybe I should just remove the graph myself. Ideogram 03:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
This is a very poorly written section. Rather than spend time copyediting it now, I'll wait to see if consensus is to keep it or delete it first. Ideogram 18:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I have a great deal of trouble with the list "ostracism, rejection, discrimination and avoidance of HIV infected people; compulsory HIV testing without prior consent or protection of confidentiality; violence against HIV infected individuals or people who are perceived to be infected with HIV; and the quarantine of HIV infected individuals". It seems to consist of multiple near-synonyms with overlapping meanings. Ostracism, rejection, avoidance, and quarantine are all quite close together in meaning. Could someone explain to me what this is trying to say? Ideogram 21:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok I made a stab at fixing the list. That should be good enough. Ideogram 22:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Someone probably already said this, so delete this if it's old news. The "AIDS in media" section is dreadfully short. I'm sure (in fact, I know) it's appeared in popular culture more than once. Brutannica 20:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
These numbers look strange as hell to me. I realise I'm not a doctor, and I don't know much about AIDS, but I cannot believe that there is only 1 chance in 2000 to get aids if your a man having unprotected sex with an infected woman. That sounds way, way, way too low. The source is mindnumbingly reliable so I don't doubt it, but can someone explain this to me, is there something I'm missing? Oskar 21:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Congrats to everyone who helped this article survive the Main Page Challenge(tm)! I dare say it is a much better article now because of the resulting contributions. Here are the changes, see for yourselves. Good job to all! :) JoeSmack Talk 19:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
"Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome or Acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS or Aids) is a collection of symptoms and infections in humans resulting from the specific damage to the immune system caused by infection with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)."
Given that wikipedia has an article on AIDS reappraisal, this sounds like POV. Peter Duesberg, Kary Mullis, and Walter Gilbert's expertise should be enough to at least rephrase this statement as not being definitive. - unsigned
No, of course this simple statement of fact needs no rephrasing. The denialists already get more than their due here. - Nunh-huh 01:37, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Well it depends, is the wiew supported by only a few people, or a lot? I mean, I believe there is no God, but I wouldn't write in the God article, “God is a fictional deity that …” for the introduction. -- FlareNUKE 21:30, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I think the controversy needs to be fleshed out on this page. It is not enough to say that there is some debate - the reasons for the controversy must be given. Peter Duesberg's 1987 paper in the journal Cancer Research, "Retroviruses as Carcinogens and Pathogens: Expectations and Reality," details "how and why the retrovirus HIV cannot cause AIDS" (Farber). I recommend reading the article "Out of Control: AIDS and the corruption of medical science" ( [2]) by Celia Farber in Harper's Magazine, March 2006, which accuses researchers of no longer applying scientific standards to AIDS work, and then adding the appropriate information to this entry. Here are some relevant quotes: "He simply pointed out that no one had yet proven that HIV is capable of causing a single disease, much less the twenty-five diseases that are now part of the clinical definition of AIDS. He pointed to a number of paradoxes regarding HIV and argued that far from being evidence that HIV is 'mysterious' or 'enigmatic,' these paradoxes were evidence that HIV is a passenger virus. ... The classical tests of whether or not a microorganism is the cause of infectious disease are known as Koch's postulates. ... Although claims to the contrary have been made, Duesberg maintains that it has never been demonstrated that HIV satisfies all of Koch's postulates.... Another embarrassment for the HIV hypothesis is the extraordinary latency period between infection and the onset of disease, despite the fact that HIV is biochemically most active within weeks of initial infection." Instead, Duesberg's hypothesis is that "AIDS is a chemical syndrome, caused by accumulated toxins from heavy drug use." The very least that could be done with this section would be to link to the pages on Peter Duesberg, the Duesberg hypothesis, and AIDS reappraisal. -- CloseWatch 23:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Besides, some of those pusing that view have agendas. Like Phillip law prof from berkely (started the ID movement) probably believes it is a disease design by God to punish "bad" life styles.
More seriously, is there any credible science that show that HIV does not cause AIDS? Every single peice of information I have ever seen shows it does. Only a few undocumented sources have claimed otherwise in my experience. There are people out there that challenge everything, that is good, that helps science advance, but does it belong in an encyclopedia? Lets not confuse the readers unless some sort of science is involved. I don't know enough about the claim that HIV does not cause AIDS so I cannot offer opinion on that. Only that it should be well cited by reputable science. HighInBC 15:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay,... I recently read a paper by Yale University professor Serge Lang, Ph.D., detailing a Nature Magazine article attacking the Duesberg hypothesis. There is a link to the Lang paper from the Wiki article on Duesberg. Anyway, the paper seems to show strong evidence that proponents of the causal relationship between HIV and AIDS are guilty of bad science, if you'll read, according to this article, they omitted key information on a study of "random neighborhoods" in San Francisco, as well as failing to show differences between control groups and test groups. According to this Lang paper,
These things being said, with the backing of Nobel laureates, hundreds of doctors supporting a re-evaluation of AIDS causes, and the lack of direct evidence of a causal relationship between HIV and AIDS, as it has been shown that HIV positive peoples have not all contracted AIDS, even after extended time periods, should not Wikipedia take a more progressive stance in asserting that while HIV has been linked to AIDS, the scientific community still needs to be more thorough in many areas including:
I encourage you all to ACTUALLY READ all available information regarding this issue, because a comprehensive and complete article about AIDS must reflect the true nature of the disease,, where poor statistical representation, in my opinion, has skewed the truth, and damaged science in favor of a political agenda. -- Darrenmwong 07:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd further like to add my support to this request. While this statistic may seem anti-gay, or something like that, if people are using statistics to validate the very causes of things, they they should also definately be allowed to use statistics for the simple sake of understanding all valuable data. That being said, the above statistic, if true, is significant.—The preceding
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I have a question but before I get into it I want to make it 100% clear that I do not believe any fraction or piece of the beliefs I am about to say need adding to the article. Now that I've said that... Several small, radical, and vocal Christian groups make the claim that AIDS is some form of judgement from God to kill those who sin (extramarital sex, homosexual sex, drug use, etc). As an example, this article. While they are distasteful IMO, they are a decent-enough sized and well-known sect of the population that they are worthy of mention in the article. Maybe under "Stigma" or "Alternative theories" as a subsection? I'll write this section, but I wanted to make sure I hadn't missed a previous discussion on this topic in the various archives. Staxringold talk contribs 22:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it belongs here, such groups are small and make themselves look big by campaigning. The claims have no basis in science and at best deserve a fringe article, perhaps divine punishment. Divine punishment can talk about how god punished people for being the wrong religeon, being in New Orleans, and living bad life styles. It should be clear however that these beliefs are held by few, and that there is no evidence to support it. HighInBC 15:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard on the news that they have found some monkey-type that has something that is kinda like aids in some african country and they on the news said that that is where it most likely came from namely a monkey most likely bit a hunter and by doing so gave him aids. For anyone who actually wants to look into this and find sources I wish you good luck, I just heard it on the news. ( FishHeadAbcd 17:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC))
Why is the informaton about the 15 year old boy in St Louis still in here. As well as the British sailor. BOTH cases have long been proven to be wrong. It was the case of contamination. This never occured yet it constantly shows up how many sources do you have to site, every time you place the fact that the two cases were disproved they get put back. Please it's time to end this myth.
The article here has different POV on AIDS. I don't see it on this article. Anomo 22:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
sucks. It's not what's in it, it's what is kept out by a small cabal of, in all probability well meaning, but sadly dim, individuals. -- Tess Tickle 02:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be some mention of the newly found strain in Manhattan that develops into AIDS very quickly? It is an note-worthy, and concerning, development. - unsigned
There has been some concern about the paragraph dealing with AIDS in the main Roman Catholic Church article. The paragraph reads:
I request the help from any editor to work on that paragraph, if it needs any work. More criticism of that section can be found on the RCC talk page. Thanks.-- Andrew c 14:19, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
In the aftermath of a recent GLBT health conference in my city, I heard a lot of statistics being thrown around about the number of heterosexual women contracting HIV yearly exceeding the number of homosexual men. I went searching for documentation to back these figures, because I think if they are true, it would be a very important citation for this article indeed. This quote from the WHO says that "60% transmitted through vaginal intercourse", but I cannot seem to find these statistics, even as an estimate, on the WHO site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LeaHazel ( talk • contribs) .
hi everyone. i've recently added an image of an NARTI, a protease inhibitor and an x-ray of someone with Pneumocystis jiroveci pneumonia. i'm trying to make this complicated issue a little more transparent with some images of topics within the article, but i don't want it to be too cluttered. some people might feel it isn't enough too, so if anyone has any objections, please, chime in. cheers. JoeSmack Talk 20:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I just realized something - this page doesn't actually having any pictures showing the canonoical symptoms related to the disease - kaposi's sarcoma, AIDS wasting, 'etc. Raul654 07:28, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
There's nothing on Wikipedia about what this is and google search is giving bad results since google sucks. I've heard this mentioned on TV a lot. What is Super AIDS? Anomo 23:55, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
"...contrary to popular belief, one would have to swallow gallons of saliva from a carrier to run a significant risk of becoming infected."
This seems like a HUGE statement to make that references a study from 1996. It could affect many people. I would consider removing it as it seems irresponsible and that many people could assume they are immune if they don't swallow or if they have oral sex with someone who's infected but swallow thinking it's safe since it's not "gallons." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.107.54.98 ( talk • contribs).
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Under "symptoms and complications" we have the following: "Without antiretroviral therapy, death normally occurs within a year." Nevertheless, the adjacent graph shows that death in an "untreated HIV infection" occurs after about 11 years. Any ideas?
Would like to remind people that Magic Johnson was one of the first celebrities to be diagnosed with HIV infection (or was it AIDS?) in the mid-1980s ... that's twenty years ago ... and is still alive. -- mwtzz
See http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1783649,00.html for new information on AIDS origin.
Death is not immiment in Aids cases. For example, I was diagnosed with full, blown Aids (I was sick and dying) I took the anti-virals for a period of time. I learned about what Aids is and is not. I am now what is termed an Aids Rethinker, as I do not believe that hiv has scientifically been proven to cause Aids or anything else. Currently, I am on my 7th month off of all Aids medications. My blood work is fine and I have no clinical symptoms. I would be happy to elaborate if necessary. Noreen Martin Noreen martin 18:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
This line asserts that roughly half the human population has AIDS...
"In 2005 alone, AIDS claimed between an estimated 2.8 and 3.6 billion, of which more than 570,000,000 were children"
Am I misunderstanding this? The source link is broken, but either way this looks way, way too high!
I believe that line was a typo. From my understanding AIDS claims an estimated 2.8 and 3.6 million, not billion. The user probably was simply mistyping instead of giving misleading information or vandalism. jkgarrett
No, it was vandalism, as it previously stated million, and that user changed it to billion. -- Bob 16:43, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
any reason we've been getting like a billion vandalisms in the last few days? i mean, look at the history.... JoeSmack Talk 17:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Same thing happens with gay (which was getting vandalised about 20 times a day for a while recently), homosexual, anal sex, The Da Vinci Code.... I could go on. Vandals suck, but for some reason the current consensus seems to be to allow unregistered (and therefore more difficult to prevent from engaging in vandalism) users to edit any article. Exploding Boy 18:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Humans with the Delta 32 gene are immune to infection. Could someone add this to the article please?
The soapbox issie was removed and relevant information left in with a reference. This is an important issue to include as it is semi-related to the catholic stance on this issue. -- Bob 15:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there any link between these two? It seems so. Skinnyweed 18:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Does Wikipedia have no AIDS by country articles? savidan (talk) (e@) 05:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I haven't yet gone through, but unless someone beats me to it, much of this article should be updated to use the most recent UNAIDS report as the source for "current" estimates. In particular, estimates of new infections and mortality for 2005 have been revised sharply downwards compared to the earlier reports we quote (see Ch. 2); we claim that there was a sharp increase from 2004, but this is no longer believed to be the case. No doubt numerous other estimates have been revised as well. -- Delirium 18:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I would like to know about India and UK, if someone can, please.
I recorded a spoken version of this article, but the formatting in the external links section prevents the speaker icon from showing up next to the featured star unless the links section is visible. Is there a workaround for this? Moulder 19:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
...a slight majority of those infected with HIV were male homosexuals (58% of all cases).
Ok, so that means 42% were not male homosexuals, and I believe we can assume that roughly half (21%) of that are males, the other half females (because the 42% is not gay).
So, with regards to straight males vs. gay males, almost 3 times the number of gay males have AIDS. This is not a slight majority.
Should it be noted that the current most substantial (and common) reason for the jump of the virus from primates to humans is that it came from the practices of many poor and starving Central Africans of going into the bush/forest and subsequent unchecked butchering of various animals for meat? All kinds of animals, primarily primates, were indiscriminately consumed at home or sold at market this way and many people keep doing this. The viruses probably jumped due to continued handling/eating of a certain monkey species which was locally infected. This was mentioned in a Discovery Channel documentary on Ebola, AIDs, and other viruses of continental African origin. Discuss?-- Exander 00:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
AIDS originating from poor and starving Central Africans just does not make sense to me. I feel that is a man made virus and it's main goal is human elimination (poor, gay. etc). Though many may not agree with me, I think the virus was originally created for race elimination. Plus Africa is a valuable land from a diamond and oil perspective that the westernalized governments would love to own. I could be wrong but I feel there is much more to this then what we see on the surface. (Jade) 12 July 2006
If the article's protected, how are people still managing to vandalise it? Exploding Boy 03:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Well that seems a little pointless. Could whoever protected it change it to s-protect (at minimum--full protect would be better probably, since at least 2 of the recent vandals have been registered (though new) users). Exploding Boy 04:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Hmm. Bad policy. It would be far better to create a template that alerts users that the current featured article will be unavailable for editing as long as it remains the current featured article. This would make more sense anyway: the article was featured on the basis of its state when the FAC vote was concluded. Exploding Boy 04:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Frankly I'm amazed this one ever made it to FA status in the first place, considering how regularly it gets vandalised. Exploding Boy 04:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
If the devs ever get around to releasing their "last good state" feature, most of our troubles will be gone. Readers will see an approved version of the article, and editors will edit the true version; meanwhile, admins (or maybe even long-term registered users) will sift through new edits to see which are/aren't vandalism, and choose those edits as becoming part of the latest approved version (with something this involved, making it simple to do would be nice). So there won't be any rush, or any threat of normal readers viewing anything "bad", at least for the high-traffic articles. And we'll maintain our goal of "anyone can edit", even on George W. Bush. — BRIAN 0918 • 2006-06-15 05:30
(missing information in the article)
I just dropped by from the german version, to read this article, because the english articles are often much more detailed and better recherched! But this time it is not. In german there are at least a few information about the risks of giving oral sex to a woman. But here I found none. I would be really glad if there would be someone who could add something about this.
The AIDS syndrome is unique in that the enormous number of "AIDS Dissidents" are united in their analysis. Do a Google search for "aids dissidents" - 32,000 hits. - Ivor Catt
Is there a reason the references are so spaced out? It makes the wikitext impossible to read. If nobody objects, I'll take away the spacing, which should also take out a few GB from the article size. See Cannabis (drug) for an example of what that would look like. -- Rory096 14:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I clicked through today from the front page and I must say, impressive article! Sometimes I wonder as to how FA articles qualified when they seem marginal, but I have no doubts here! Well done. -- Falcorian (talk) 16:02, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
See Image talk:Aids in africa graph.gif for my objection to this graph. Ideogram 17:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm, maybe I should just remove the graph myself. Ideogram 03:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
This is a very poorly written section. Rather than spend time copyediting it now, I'll wait to see if consensus is to keep it or delete it first. Ideogram 18:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I have a great deal of trouble with the list "ostracism, rejection, discrimination and avoidance of HIV infected people; compulsory HIV testing without prior consent or protection of confidentiality; violence against HIV infected individuals or people who are perceived to be infected with HIV; and the quarantine of HIV infected individuals". It seems to consist of multiple near-synonyms with overlapping meanings. Ostracism, rejection, avoidance, and quarantine are all quite close together in meaning. Could someone explain to me what this is trying to say? Ideogram 21:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok I made a stab at fixing the list. That should be good enough. Ideogram 22:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Someone probably already said this, so delete this if it's old news. The "AIDS in media" section is dreadfully short. I'm sure (in fact, I know) it's appeared in popular culture more than once. Brutannica 20:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
These numbers look strange as hell to me. I realise I'm not a doctor, and I don't know much about AIDS, but I cannot believe that there is only 1 chance in 2000 to get aids if your a man having unprotected sex with an infected woman. That sounds way, way, way too low. The source is mindnumbingly reliable so I don't doubt it, but can someone explain this to me, is there something I'm missing? Oskar 21:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Congrats to everyone who helped this article survive the Main Page Challenge(tm)! I dare say it is a much better article now because of the resulting contributions. Here are the changes, see for yourselves. Good job to all! :) JoeSmack Talk 19:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
"Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome or Acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS or Aids) is a collection of symptoms and infections in humans resulting from the specific damage to the immune system caused by infection with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)."
Given that wikipedia has an article on AIDS reappraisal, this sounds like POV. Peter Duesberg, Kary Mullis, and Walter Gilbert's expertise should be enough to at least rephrase this statement as not being definitive. - unsigned
No, of course this simple statement of fact needs no rephrasing. The denialists already get more than their due here. - Nunh-huh 01:37, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Well it depends, is the wiew supported by only a few people, or a lot? I mean, I believe there is no God, but I wouldn't write in the God article, “God is a fictional deity that …” for the introduction. -- FlareNUKE 21:30, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I think the controversy needs to be fleshed out on this page. It is not enough to say that there is some debate - the reasons for the controversy must be given. Peter Duesberg's 1987 paper in the journal Cancer Research, "Retroviruses as Carcinogens and Pathogens: Expectations and Reality," details "how and why the retrovirus HIV cannot cause AIDS" (Farber). I recommend reading the article "Out of Control: AIDS and the corruption of medical science" ( [2]) by Celia Farber in Harper's Magazine, March 2006, which accuses researchers of no longer applying scientific standards to AIDS work, and then adding the appropriate information to this entry. Here are some relevant quotes: "He simply pointed out that no one had yet proven that HIV is capable of causing a single disease, much less the twenty-five diseases that are now part of the clinical definition of AIDS. He pointed to a number of paradoxes regarding HIV and argued that far from being evidence that HIV is 'mysterious' or 'enigmatic,' these paradoxes were evidence that HIV is a passenger virus. ... The classical tests of whether or not a microorganism is the cause of infectious disease are known as Koch's postulates. ... Although claims to the contrary have been made, Duesberg maintains that it has never been demonstrated that HIV satisfies all of Koch's postulates.... Another embarrassment for the HIV hypothesis is the extraordinary latency period between infection and the onset of disease, despite the fact that HIV is biochemically most active within weeks of initial infection." Instead, Duesberg's hypothesis is that "AIDS is a chemical syndrome, caused by accumulated toxins from heavy drug use." The very least that could be done with this section would be to link to the pages on Peter Duesberg, the Duesberg hypothesis, and AIDS reappraisal. -- CloseWatch 23:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Besides, some of those pusing that view have agendas. Like Phillip law prof from berkely (started the ID movement) probably believes it is a disease design by God to punish "bad" life styles.
More seriously, is there any credible science that show that HIV does not cause AIDS? Every single peice of information I have ever seen shows it does. Only a few undocumented sources have claimed otherwise in my experience. There are people out there that challenge everything, that is good, that helps science advance, but does it belong in an encyclopedia? Lets not confuse the readers unless some sort of science is involved. I don't know enough about the claim that HIV does not cause AIDS so I cannot offer opinion on that. Only that it should be well cited by reputable science. HighInBC 15:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay,... I recently read a paper by Yale University professor Serge Lang, Ph.D., detailing a Nature Magazine article attacking the Duesberg hypothesis. There is a link to the Lang paper from the Wiki article on Duesberg. Anyway, the paper seems to show strong evidence that proponents of the causal relationship between HIV and AIDS are guilty of bad science, if you'll read, according to this article, they omitted key information on a study of "random neighborhoods" in San Francisco, as well as failing to show differences between control groups and test groups. According to this Lang paper,
These things being said, with the backing of Nobel laureates, hundreds of doctors supporting a re-evaluation of AIDS causes, and the lack of direct evidence of a causal relationship between HIV and AIDS, as it has been shown that HIV positive peoples have not all contracted AIDS, even after extended time periods, should not Wikipedia take a more progressive stance in asserting that while HIV has been linked to AIDS, the scientific community still needs to be more thorough in many areas including:
I encourage you all to ACTUALLY READ all available information regarding this issue, because a comprehensive and complete article about AIDS must reflect the true nature of the disease,, where poor statistical representation, in my opinion, has skewed the truth, and damaged science in favor of a political agenda. -- Darrenmwong 07:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd further like to add my support to this request. While this statistic may seem anti-gay, or something like that, if people are using statistics to validate the very causes of things, they they should also definately be allowed to use statistics for the simple sake of understanding all valuable data. That being said, the above statistic, if true, is significant.—The preceding
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I have a question but before I get into it I want to make it 100% clear that I do not believe any fraction or piece of the beliefs I am about to say need adding to the article. Now that I've said that... Several small, radical, and vocal Christian groups make the claim that AIDS is some form of judgement from God to kill those who sin (extramarital sex, homosexual sex, drug use, etc). As an example, this article. While they are distasteful IMO, they are a decent-enough sized and well-known sect of the population that they are worthy of mention in the article. Maybe under "Stigma" or "Alternative theories" as a subsection? I'll write this section, but I wanted to make sure I hadn't missed a previous discussion on this topic in the various archives. Staxringold talk contribs 22:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it belongs here, such groups are small and make themselves look big by campaigning. The claims have no basis in science and at best deserve a fringe article, perhaps divine punishment. Divine punishment can talk about how god punished people for being the wrong religeon, being in New Orleans, and living bad life styles. It should be clear however that these beliefs are held by few, and that there is no evidence to support it. HighInBC 15:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard on the news that they have found some monkey-type that has something that is kinda like aids in some african country and they on the news said that that is where it most likely came from namely a monkey most likely bit a hunter and by doing so gave him aids. For anyone who actually wants to look into this and find sources I wish you good luck, I just heard it on the news. ( FishHeadAbcd 17:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC))
Why is the informaton about the 15 year old boy in St Louis still in here. As well as the British sailor. BOTH cases have long been proven to be wrong. It was the case of contamination. This never occured yet it constantly shows up how many sources do you have to site, every time you place the fact that the two cases were disproved they get put back. Please it's time to end this myth.
The article here has different POV on AIDS. I don't see it on this article. Anomo 22:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
sucks. It's not what's in it, it's what is kept out by a small cabal of, in all probability well meaning, but sadly dim, individuals. -- Tess Tickle 02:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be some mention of the newly found strain in Manhattan that develops into AIDS very quickly? It is an note-worthy, and concerning, development. - unsigned
There has been some concern about the paragraph dealing with AIDS in the main Roman Catholic Church article. The paragraph reads:
I request the help from any editor to work on that paragraph, if it needs any work. More criticism of that section can be found on the RCC talk page. Thanks.-- Andrew c 14:19, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
In the aftermath of a recent GLBT health conference in my city, I heard a lot of statistics being thrown around about the number of heterosexual women contracting HIV yearly exceeding the number of homosexual men. I went searching for documentation to back these figures, because I think if they are true, it would be a very important citation for this article indeed. This quote from the WHO says that "60% transmitted through vaginal intercourse", but I cannot seem to find these statistics, even as an estimate, on the WHO site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LeaHazel ( talk • contribs) .
hi everyone. i've recently added an image of an NARTI, a protease inhibitor and an x-ray of someone with Pneumocystis jiroveci pneumonia. i'm trying to make this complicated issue a little more transparent with some images of topics within the article, but i don't want it to be too cluttered. some people might feel it isn't enough too, so if anyone has any objections, please, chime in. cheers. JoeSmack Talk 20:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I just realized something - this page doesn't actually having any pictures showing the canonoical symptoms related to the disease - kaposi's sarcoma, AIDS wasting, 'etc. Raul654 07:28, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
There's nothing on Wikipedia about what this is and google search is giving bad results since google sucks. I've heard this mentioned on TV a lot. What is Super AIDS? Anomo 23:55, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
"...contrary to popular belief, one would have to swallow gallons of saliva from a carrier to run a significant risk of becoming infected."
This seems like a HUGE statement to make that references a study from 1996. It could affect many people. I would consider removing it as it seems irresponsible and that many people could assume they are immune if they don't swallow or if they have oral sex with someone who's infected but swallow thinking it's safe since it's not "gallons." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.107.54.98 ( talk • contribs).
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