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To the ignorant people who put this genre: Do you even know what Alternative Rock is??? How can you label HIM as Alternative Rock??? The latest album might have some elements of it, but HIM is NOT an Alternative Rock band... They have Gothic Rock elements, Metal elements, Glam Rock elements and much more... Iaberis 18:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Love metal isn't an established genre. It's Alternative Rock with Metal elements, nothing more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.122.10.165 ( talk) 17:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I think for the sake of clarity we should describe their genre as both "alternative rock" AND "alternative metal". They're far too loud and distorted to be just a rock band, their influences (e.g. Black Sabbath) are predominantly metal, they perform loads of covers of songs by metal bands and, although they are not a metal band, use an instrumentation associated specifically with gothic metal, that being guitar, keys, bass, drums, vocalist and female backing vocalist. I'm certainly not in favour of describing them as a love metal band, but I think describing them as alt-rock or alt-metal (or both) is fair enough. Anyone agree? Cacodyl talk 22:03, 12 June 2008
I completely agree. Alternative rock does NOT bring to mind their style of music (to me). With their heavy distortion and Valo using a guttural low voice on Venus Doom, metal suits them far better. JohannHenrik ( talk) 05:53, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Two people who randomly comment on this subject to not change the concensus of months of discussion prior, sorry. — Moe ε 11:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
What the hell... his infernal majesty, meaning satan. they probably should have gotten thier story straight, its full of holes. About the whole pentagram thing, a pentagram is the pagan cross, it is a satanistic religion... At first i too thought it may just be a christian band but the name, just abit fishy if you ask me and then I htought I'd look up the lyrics, nothing Godly there!! The song I heard was about a bittersweet spell... again, just a little bit fishy. I can say that i have looked up info on the band itself and have seen, heard and found things thats i dont think any human being should be assotiated with. If your gut tells you something is wrong, it robably is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.247.97.10 ( talk) 19:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
alternative rock??????????(like a placebo,radiohead,30stm)... To the ignorant people who put this genre: Do you even know what Alternative Rock is??? How can you label HIM as Alternative Rock??? The latest album might have some elements of it, but HIM is NOT an Alternative Rock band... They have Gothic Rock elements, Metal elements, Glam Rock elements and much more...they are love metal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertrocker ( talk • contribs) 20:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thought that we had all come to an aggermenty about this. realy. come on.
Jason (
talk) 22:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
H.I.M. (His Infernal Majesty), is Love Metal. That is the genre they fall under. Many bands from the same part of the globe attempt to replicate their sound, yet none have truly mastered all aspects of the "Love Metal". Most, such as SaraLee, Poisonblack, and The 69 Eyes come close, yet stray from it either lyrically, or vocally; due to cheesiness and poor song writing ability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.204.15.32 ( talk) 05:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
For some reason when I think of H.I.M. I think they should be called Melodic Death Metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakeellsonator ( talk • contribs) 12:23, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
OMG, lol. How is HIM Gothic Rock?? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha............ I heard it all now. And this is supposed to be factually correct site??!! The term Gothic rock originates in punk rock and was a term that was started by a music critic who referred to the punk bands of this style looked like something from a "Gothic Horror" novel. I wasn't aware that HIM ever played at the bat cave.
I can understand Melankoli / Melankolia which is the latest fad / term being used by fans that covers groups not of the punk rock originating 'gothic ("horror") rock' but dress and act similar. Melankoli is more emotional and artistic unlike Gothic (horror) which was supposed to be about vampires etc. — Preceding
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92.236.213.52 (
talk) 17:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Give one reasonable souce which supports they are "gothic". Then look at the numerous sites explaining what gothic "horor" Rock is and how it formed from punk. Please by grown up and realistic about this. The only source that indicates what HIM are is from the singers opinion of it being "love Metal", This is not Gothic rock. It is not even what some people call gothic metal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.213.52 ( talk) 17:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
HIM sings onlu metall...and he is such as gothic metal...and doom metal...nothing for alternativ —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
79.141.121.37 (
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Looking at the genre field here, I see we’ve currently got “alternative rock, various others”. This seems a bit inadequate. It feels like it’s saying “Some editors, especially IP ones, kick up a stink because of their POV, so we’ll just sweep this under the carpet”. The genre issue really doesn’t need to be as difficult as people make out: you just look at what the sources say. HIM are termed a wide variety of things, but so are most popular bands. Let’s take a look at the sources:
So, a variety of terms, but not too much trouble. Counting “quasi-goth hard rock” as both goth rock and hard rock, we have 5 for gothic rock, 3 for gothic metal, 2 for neo-glam, 2 for hard rock, 2 for alternative rock, then one each for melodic metal, pop metal, alternative metal, doom metal and metal. There’s no need to include all the single source ones in the infobox, and obviously gothic rock and gothic metal are well-sourced enough to go in. Neo-glam has no article, so I don’t know what people want to do about that. And then we have hard rock and alternative rock with 2 sources each, so probably enough to include in the infobox I’d have thought. So, really, all these should be included in the "style" section, which I'll do shortly, and then the infobox should read "alternative rock, gothic metal, gothic rock, hard rock" or just "gothic metal, gothic rock". Yes, there will be countless reverts by the goth fans who will yell "They're not gothic!", but that sort of thing is what undo and page protection exist for.
Oh also: I’m aware that the NME biography link isn’t actually the profile of this HIM, but it does say “Not to be confused with the Finnish goth metal band HIM”.
Update: I've also added another reference for gothic metal, this time from Essi Berelian's "Rough Guide to Heavy Metal". We now have 5 for gothic rock and 4 for gothic metal, so I think it's fairly obvious those should go in the infobox, and then possibly alternative rock and hard rock too, since those have two sources each. Prophaniti ( talk) 11:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
But see edit warring is edit warring even if no one has broken 3RR (like if it's a few reverts over multiple days or if two or more editors are reverting each others edits across multiple pages). If there's a clear disagreement present the talkpage is there to discuss it and if the talkpage isn't used then the editors start to get blocked for edit warring as this is a point of view/content dispute not vandalism as said by Wikipedia:EDITWAR#What_is_edit_warring. But if one editor has made attempts to discuss it and the other parties ignores the attempts then its might be time for Request for comment or to get a third opinion but only if the dispute escalades greatly. If you looks at Wikipedia:VAND#NOT, you will see that NPOV violations (genre changing without sources/discussion is quite based on the editors POV as you know) and Stubbornness (particularly the part that states Some users cannot come to agreement with others who are willing to talk to them about an editing issue, and repeatedly make changes opposed by everyone else...Repeated deletion or addition of material may violate the three-revert rule, but this is not "vandalism" and should not be dealt with as such) would sum up what happens in these sort of cases. So that's why it is best to be careful in these sort of situations as it depends really on the admin about who gets blocked and who doesn't as people interpret 3RR differently. But I was only mentioning 3RR/edit warring in the first place as as a precaution so that whoever reads this talkpage (especially the IP editors who are unwilling to discuss the matter here) would know about it before they drag themselves into something that escalades itself into something like that. AngelOfSadness talk 18:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
You make me sick with your rules. It's only a music genre! But behind the music genre there is a subculture! HIM isn't Goth. And fans of this Heavy Rock band aren't Goths! -- 87.122.35.158 ( talk) 12:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
http://www.thescene.com.au/Music/Features/HIM-interview/
"Eve Roberts recently took a soul-searching journey with Finland’s masters of melancholy metal – HIM. The band toured Australia and New Zealand in late March - their last stops on a worldwide tour that followed the release of their latest album, Venus Doom".
Him are definetely not Gothic "horror" rock. They aren't even punk orientated. Dress sense doesn't define a musical genre. This is rubbish.
Groups like HIM and also Evanescence are Melancholy Metal / Rock. Part of the dark romantic "Melancholy / Melankoli / Melankolia" scene. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.213.52 ( talk) 17:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Actually, listing the three most sourced genres (which are in this case, gothic rock, gothic metal and alternative rock) could have been a good solution for all this dispute. Nevertheless, some people approached this problem in a more subjective way, I guess. Myxomatosis57 ( talk) 19:17, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Ever since the article became a real B-Class article, it is clear that the article is mostly maintained by SilverBullitt. He completely redid the article from scratch. There is now an overwhelmingly large number of sources tying HIM to gothic subgenres. It was decided we would use those for the article's infobox, as genre wars with fans are now far less common. dannymusiceditor Speak up! 02:35, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
I've found some evidence on a website that confirms that HIM is infact a metal band! Here it is, http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/groupe-groupe-HIM-l-en.html Note: That I've also fix the genre on the wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by S.R.G.G Spinster ( talk • contribs) 23:15, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Someone who knows more than me about the band needs to go through the article cleaning up grammar and adding references for some of the claims made. -- Anarchangel23 ( talk) 02:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Can someone removed the tours section because it is out of date and has dates of upcoming shows from 2007, it is now 2008, feel free to make a new section for 2008 tours and gigs. Will sign when I can log in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.70.166.128 ( talk) 12:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I've put this article under semi-protection due to vandalism in the genre option. It seems that some guy, keeps on removing the genre paragraph and replaces the genre without even talking here first... Iaberis 18:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, Maybe I'm just bringing up old points here, but I couldn't find anything about them in the archives and I've got questions I need answered. First, The statement that they aren't a satanic band. I was willing to accept this at first, but the constant 666 theme is really iffy to me. Also, the fact that their name was His Infernal Majesty also brings up a lot of questions. Can anyone explain their name and theme? If they really aren't satanic or straight goth, give me some proof. Also, This part of the article just seems ridiculous: "Their first bandname was His Infernal Majesty (chosen spontaneously, as a complete joke). But as their popularity rose, they needed to change their name because:
* Finnish people were having difficulties pronouncing the name * The band name was never actually serious * The band started getting unwanted occult associations and people started to think of the band as satanic when it is not."
Not only does this seem completely POV, but is there any proof that their first name was a joke? I can understand the occult associations part, if they're not satanic, but Finnish people were having trouble pronouncing it? That just seems stupid. Any answers for me? 70.171.209.15 03:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I said I could understand that they weren't satanic, but whats with all the 666 stuff? And the name thing? And why is one of their main logos a "heartagram", like a pentagram? 70.171.209.15 17:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
i have to pull out of there gothic rock its a shame to be called gothic Rock
they have nothing to do with it... —Preceding
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talk) 15:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Him & Her redirects to here, but the article has no mention of it anywhere that they might have been previously named Him & Her. Also, on the MTV2 Headbangers Ball, Vol. 2, the song Your Sweet Six Six Six is published under the name Him & Her. Anyone know any information on this? § Eloc § 02:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Noticed someone changing "formed in" date to 1992 from 1991, so I took a look. Err, the reference sites say 1995. Published discography says 1995. Only reference to an earlier date is about "an undistributed demo tape whose only copy is ..." - sheesh! Why does it say anything other than 1995? Which references says that? Shenme ( talk) 13:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Currently there is only a subtle capitalization to disambiguate HiM (band) from HIM (band). The idea in this proposal it to make it more explicit by moving:
Thoughts/discussions? + m t 14:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm just wondering if there is consensus as to the pronunciation of the band's name - is it 'H-I-M' or 'him'? I can't find a reference online after a Google search, but if anyone has one I think it should be added to the article. -- Aseld talk 10:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I would do this by myself, but I don't know how. Someone needs to create a separate page for Screamworks: Love In Theory & Practice, their album coming out in 2010. Because it's an album, it needs a separate page solely for the album, detailing everything people need to know about this album. Like I said, I would do it, but I don't know how —Preceding unsigned comment added by Corleonelives ( talk • contribs) 17:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I know this is a bootleg but there's a lot of fans who actually own a copy (gutted?), so I was thinking of adding this either to the main page or as a Bootleg page, because this isn't the only one. What are other people's views? Or should it just be ignored completely and let more unsuspecting fans buy more of something that is not genuine? - '''Beautiful so ur''' ( talk) 15:30, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
[Edit] Perhaps it would be a good idea to add the Witches and Other Night Fears Demo to this section-to-be? And maybe the This Is Only The Beginning Demo as well? And any others that perhaps don't absolutely need a page of their own and only some info and the track listing if available? - '''Beautiful so ur''' ( talk) 15:42, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
To whoever deleted the "Werchter Festival Bootleg" page and had it redirected to the 'HIM Discography' page: the Werchter Festival Bootleg is not a bootleg, it is an official release by the band/Universal records. -- St.HocusPocus ( talk) 05:07, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Why have all the pages for the bands singles been deleted? I've scanned several other band pages here on Wikipedia and none of them seem to have had all the pages about a particular song/single, completely removed.
-- St.HocusPocus ( talk) 10:44, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
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After a few years of inactivity: "a few" usually means more than two; the gap here is from 1993 to no later than 1996, and it sounds like it was probably 1995. Can we get the year they were signed or the year they recorded the four-track demo?
Soon thereafter, Mige rejoined the newly reformed His Infernal Majesty, as did drummer Juhana "Pätkä" Rantala.You don't need to say "rejoined the newly reformed..."; we know that. Just say "Mige rejoined the band". Rantala didn't "rejoin" it, did he? He hasn't been mentioned before, so I assume he's a new addition.
This resulted in HIM nearly breaking-up, until things settled down, and the band began rehearsing for another album: "until things settled down" is vague. Did things calm down because they stopped touring, which relieved the stress?
-- That's it for a first pass; I'll look at the sources after this pass. The article has a lot of good information and the structure seems reasonable; my main concern is that there is too much detail, which gets in the way of the reader. A reader unfamiliar with the band doesn't need chart positions, exact dates, and names of journalists who made comments; those can be put in subarticles or footnotes. There's some good narrative material here, but it is rather buried by the details. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 01:27, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
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Many of the sources are in Finnish, and I can't evaluate their reliability; I'll take those mostly on faith. I've listed below the sources I've looked and am unsure about; can you explain what makes these reliable sources? I'm not saying they don't qualify, just that I need to see a reason why they're reliable.
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To the ignorant people who put this genre: Do you even know what Alternative Rock is??? How can you label HIM as Alternative Rock??? The latest album might have some elements of it, but HIM is NOT an Alternative Rock band... They have Gothic Rock elements, Metal elements, Glam Rock elements and much more... Iaberis 18:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Love metal isn't an established genre. It's Alternative Rock with Metal elements, nothing more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.122.10.165 ( talk) 17:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I think for the sake of clarity we should describe their genre as both "alternative rock" AND "alternative metal". They're far too loud and distorted to be just a rock band, their influences (e.g. Black Sabbath) are predominantly metal, they perform loads of covers of songs by metal bands and, although they are not a metal band, use an instrumentation associated specifically with gothic metal, that being guitar, keys, bass, drums, vocalist and female backing vocalist. I'm certainly not in favour of describing them as a love metal band, but I think describing them as alt-rock or alt-metal (or both) is fair enough. Anyone agree? Cacodyl talk 22:03, 12 June 2008
I completely agree. Alternative rock does NOT bring to mind their style of music (to me). With their heavy distortion and Valo using a guttural low voice on Venus Doom, metal suits them far better. JohannHenrik ( talk) 05:53, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Two people who randomly comment on this subject to not change the concensus of months of discussion prior, sorry. — Moe ε 11:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
What the hell... his infernal majesty, meaning satan. they probably should have gotten thier story straight, its full of holes. About the whole pentagram thing, a pentagram is the pagan cross, it is a satanistic religion... At first i too thought it may just be a christian band but the name, just abit fishy if you ask me and then I htought I'd look up the lyrics, nothing Godly there!! The song I heard was about a bittersweet spell... again, just a little bit fishy. I can say that i have looked up info on the band itself and have seen, heard and found things thats i dont think any human being should be assotiated with. If your gut tells you something is wrong, it robably is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.247.97.10 ( talk) 19:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
alternative rock??????????(like a placebo,radiohead,30stm)... To the ignorant people who put this genre: Do you even know what Alternative Rock is??? How can you label HIM as Alternative Rock??? The latest album might have some elements of it, but HIM is NOT an Alternative Rock band... They have Gothic Rock elements, Metal elements, Glam Rock elements and much more...they are love metal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertrocker ( talk • contribs) 20:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thought that we had all come to an aggermenty about this. realy. come on.
Jason (
talk) 22:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
H.I.M. (His Infernal Majesty), is Love Metal. That is the genre they fall under. Many bands from the same part of the globe attempt to replicate their sound, yet none have truly mastered all aspects of the "Love Metal". Most, such as SaraLee, Poisonblack, and The 69 Eyes come close, yet stray from it either lyrically, or vocally; due to cheesiness and poor song writing ability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.204.15.32 ( talk) 05:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
For some reason when I think of H.I.M. I think they should be called Melodic Death Metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakeellsonator ( talk • contribs) 12:23, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
OMG, lol. How is HIM Gothic Rock?? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha............ I heard it all now. And this is supposed to be factually correct site??!! The term Gothic rock originates in punk rock and was a term that was started by a music critic who referred to the punk bands of this style looked like something from a "Gothic Horror" novel. I wasn't aware that HIM ever played at the bat cave.
I can understand Melankoli / Melankolia which is the latest fad / term being used by fans that covers groups not of the punk rock originating 'gothic ("horror") rock' but dress and act similar. Melankoli is more emotional and artistic unlike Gothic (horror) which was supposed to be about vampires etc. — Preceding
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Give one reasonable souce which supports they are "gothic". Then look at the numerous sites explaining what gothic "horor" Rock is and how it formed from punk. Please by grown up and realistic about this. The only source that indicates what HIM are is from the singers opinion of it being "love Metal", This is not Gothic rock. It is not even what some people call gothic metal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.213.52 ( talk) 17:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
HIM sings onlu metall...and he is such as gothic metal...and doom metal...nothing for alternativ —Preceding
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79.141.121.37 (
talk) 13:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the genre field here, I see we’ve currently got “alternative rock, various others”. This seems a bit inadequate. It feels like it’s saying “Some editors, especially IP ones, kick up a stink because of their POV, so we’ll just sweep this under the carpet”. The genre issue really doesn’t need to be as difficult as people make out: you just look at what the sources say. HIM are termed a wide variety of things, but so are most popular bands. Let’s take a look at the sources:
So, a variety of terms, but not too much trouble. Counting “quasi-goth hard rock” as both goth rock and hard rock, we have 5 for gothic rock, 3 for gothic metal, 2 for neo-glam, 2 for hard rock, 2 for alternative rock, then one each for melodic metal, pop metal, alternative metal, doom metal and metal. There’s no need to include all the single source ones in the infobox, and obviously gothic rock and gothic metal are well-sourced enough to go in. Neo-glam has no article, so I don’t know what people want to do about that. And then we have hard rock and alternative rock with 2 sources each, so probably enough to include in the infobox I’d have thought. So, really, all these should be included in the "style" section, which I'll do shortly, and then the infobox should read "alternative rock, gothic metal, gothic rock, hard rock" or just "gothic metal, gothic rock". Yes, there will be countless reverts by the goth fans who will yell "They're not gothic!", but that sort of thing is what undo and page protection exist for.
Oh also: I’m aware that the NME biography link isn’t actually the profile of this HIM, but it does say “Not to be confused with the Finnish goth metal band HIM”.
Update: I've also added another reference for gothic metal, this time from Essi Berelian's "Rough Guide to Heavy Metal". We now have 5 for gothic rock and 4 for gothic metal, so I think it's fairly obvious those should go in the infobox, and then possibly alternative rock and hard rock too, since those have two sources each. Prophaniti ( talk) 11:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
But see edit warring is edit warring even if no one has broken 3RR (like if it's a few reverts over multiple days or if two or more editors are reverting each others edits across multiple pages). If there's a clear disagreement present the talkpage is there to discuss it and if the talkpage isn't used then the editors start to get blocked for edit warring as this is a point of view/content dispute not vandalism as said by Wikipedia:EDITWAR#What_is_edit_warring. But if one editor has made attempts to discuss it and the other parties ignores the attempts then its might be time for Request for comment or to get a third opinion but only if the dispute escalades greatly. If you looks at Wikipedia:VAND#NOT, you will see that NPOV violations (genre changing without sources/discussion is quite based on the editors POV as you know) and Stubbornness (particularly the part that states Some users cannot come to agreement with others who are willing to talk to them about an editing issue, and repeatedly make changes opposed by everyone else...Repeated deletion or addition of material may violate the three-revert rule, but this is not "vandalism" and should not be dealt with as such) would sum up what happens in these sort of cases. So that's why it is best to be careful in these sort of situations as it depends really on the admin about who gets blocked and who doesn't as people interpret 3RR differently. But I was only mentioning 3RR/edit warring in the first place as as a precaution so that whoever reads this talkpage (especially the IP editors who are unwilling to discuss the matter here) would know about it before they drag themselves into something that escalades itself into something like that. AngelOfSadness talk 18:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
You make me sick with your rules. It's only a music genre! But behind the music genre there is a subculture! HIM isn't Goth. And fans of this Heavy Rock band aren't Goths! -- 87.122.35.158 ( talk) 12:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
http://www.thescene.com.au/Music/Features/HIM-interview/
"Eve Roberts recently took a soul-searching journey with Finland’s masters of melancholy metal – HIM. The band toured Australia and New Zealand in late March - their last stops on a worldwide tour that followed the release of their latest album, Venus Doom".
Him are definetely not Gothic "horror" rock. They aren't even punk orientated. Dress sense doesn't define a musical genre. This is rubbish.
Groups like HIM and also Evanescence are Melancholy Metal / Rock. Part of the dark romantic "Melancholy / Melankoli / Melankolia" scene. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.213.52 ( talk) 17:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Actually, listing the three most sourced genres (which are in this case, gothic rock, gothic metal and alternative rock) could have been a good solution for all this dispute. Nevertheless, some people approached this problem in a more subjective way, I guess. Myxomatosis57 ( talk) 19:17, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Ever since the article became a real B-Class article, it is clear that the article is mostly maintained by SilverBullitt. He completely redid the article from scratch. There is now an overwhelmingly large number of sources tying HIM to gothic subgenres. It was decided we would use those for the article's infobox, as genre wars with fans are now far less common. dannymusiceditor Speak up! 02:35, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
I've found some evidence on a website that confirms that HIM is infact a metal band! Here it is, http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/groupe-groupe-HIM-l-en.html Note: That I've also fix the genre on the wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by S.R.G.G Spinster ( talk • contribs) 23:15, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Someone who knows more than me about the band needs to go through the article cleaning up grammar and adding references for some of the claims made. -- Anarchangel23 ( talk) 02:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Can someone removed the tours section because it is out of date and has dates of upcoming shows from 2007, it is now 2008, feel free to make a new section for 2008 tours and gigs. Will sign when I can log in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.70.166.128 ( talk) 12:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I've put this article under semi-protection due to vandalism in the genre option. It seems that some guy, keeps on removing the genre paragraph and replaces the genre without even talking here first... Iaberis 18:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, Maybe I'm just bringing up old points here, but I couldn't find anything about them in the archives and I've got questions I need answered. First, The statement that they aren't a satanic band. I was willing to accept this at first, but the constant 666 theme is really iffy to me. Also, the fact that their name was His Infernal Majesty also brings up a lot of questions. Can anyone explain their name and theme? If they really aren't satanic or straight goth, give me some proof. Also, This part of the article just seems ridiculous: "Their first bandname was His Infernal Majesty (chosen spontaneously, as a complete joke). But as their popularity rose, they needed to change their name because:
* Finnish people were having difficulties pronouncing the name * The band name was never actually serious * The band started getting unwanted occult associations and people started to think of the band as satanic when it is not."
Not only does this seem completely POV, but is there any proof that their first name was a joke? I can understand the occult associations part, if they're not satanic, but Finnish people were having trouble pronouncing it? That just seems stupid. Any answers for me? 70.171.209.15 03:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I said I could understand that they weren't satanic, but whats with all the 666 stuff? And the name thing? And why is one of their main logos a "heartagram", like a pentagram? 70.171.209.15 17:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
i have to pull out of there gothic rock its a shame to be called gothic Rock
they have nothing to do with it... —Preceding
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Him & Her redirects to here, but the article has no mention of it anywhere that they might have been previously named Him & Her. Also, on the MTV2 Headbangers Ball, Vol. 2, the song Your Sweet Six Six Six is published under the name Him & Her. Anyone know any information on this? § Eloc § 02:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Noticed someone changing "formed in" date to 1992 from 1991, so I took a look. Err, the reference sites say 1995. Published discography says 1995. Only reference to an earlier date is about "an undistributed demo tape whose only copy is ..." - sheesh! Why does it say anything other than 1995? Which references says that? Shenme ( talk) 13:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Currently there is only a subtle capitalization to disambiguate HiM (band) from HIM (band). The idea in this proposal it to make it more explicit by moving:
Thoughts/discussions? + m t 14:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm just wondering if there is consensus as to the pronunciation of the band's name - is it 'H-I-M' or 'him'? I can't find a reference online after a Google search, but if anyone has one I think it should be added to the article. -- Aseld talk 10:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I would do this by myself, but I don't know how. Someone needs to create a separate page for Screamworks: Love In Theory & Practice, their album coming out in 2010. Because it's an album, it needs a separate page solely for the album, detailing everything people need to know about this album. Like I said, I would do it, but I don't know how —Preceding unsigned comment added by Corleonelives ( talk • contribs) 17:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I know this is a bootleg but there's a lot of fans who actually own a copy (gutted?), so I was thinking of adding this either to the main page or as a Bootleg page, because this isn't the only one. What are other people's views? Or should it just be ignored completely and let more unsuspecting fans buy more of something that is not genuine? - '''Beautiful so ur''' ( talk) 15:30, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
[Edit] Perhaps it would be a good idea to add the Witches and Other Night Fears Demo to this section-to-be? And maybe the This Is Only The Beginning Demo as well? And any others that perhaps don't absolutely need a page of their own and only some info and the track listing if available? - '''Beautiful so ur''' ( talk) 15:42, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
To whoever deleted the "Werchter Festival Bootleg" page and had it redirected to the 'HIM Discography' page: the Werchter Festival Bootleg is not a bootleg, it is an official release by the band/Universal records. -- St.HocusPocus ( talk) 05:07, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Why have all the pages for the bands singles been deleted? I've scanned several other band pages here on Wikipedia and none of them seem to have had all the pages about a particular song/single, completely removed.
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Problem: Yahoo gives a 301 on the Wayback link. dannymusiceditor Speak up! 04:35, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Is there a Wikipedia policy which limits the sizes on these images? These look so much larger than any other image I've seen on a band article. They're ginormous. They should be adjusted nevertheless, but I don't know the specific limits. dannymusiceditor Speak up! 00:10, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
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I'll review this; it may take me a couple of days to complete the review.
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I'll copyedit as I go; please revert if I make a mess of anything.
After a few years of inactivity: "a few" usually means more than two; the gap here is from 1993 to no later than 1996, and it sounds like it was probably 1995. Can we get the year they were signed or the year they recorded the four-track demo?
Soon thereafter, Mige rejoined the newly reformed His Infernal Majesty, as did drummer Juhana "Pätkä" Rantala.You don't need to say "rejoined the newly reformed..."; we know that. Just say "Mige rejoined the band". Rantala didn't "rejoin" it, did he? He hasn't been mentioned before, so I assume he's a new addition.
This resulted in HIM nearly breaking-up, until things settled down, and the band began rehearsing for another album: "until things settled down" is vague. Did things calm down because they stopped touring, which relieved the stress?
-- That's it for a first pass; I'll look at the sources after this pass. The article has a lot of good information and the structure seems reasonable; my main concern is that there is too much detail, which gets in the way of the reader. A reader unfamiliar with the band doesn't need chart positions, exact dates, and names of journalists who made comments; those can be put in subarticles or footnotes. There's some good narrative material here, but it is rather buried by the details. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 01:27, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Nothing in the list below is necessary for GA; these are just comments and suggestions.
So far this passes everything except criterion 2b: reliable sources. I will take a look at the sources next; just wanted to post the notes above to let you know everything looks good so far. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 01:52, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Many of the sources are in Finnish, and I can't evaluate their reliability; I'll take those mostly on faith. I've listed below the sources I've looked and am unsure about; can you explain what makes these reliable sources? I'm not saying they don't qualify, just that I need to see a reason why they're reliable.
Once we've addressed these, I can pass the article. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 02:03, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
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