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CHINESE GOVERNMENT SHOULD ACCEPT " KORGURYO KINGDOM" AS KOREAN TERRITORY. YOU CANNOT CHANGE HISTORY. HISTORY IS TO LEARN FROM THE PAST, PRESENT, AND FOR THE FUTURE. WHAT CHINESE GOVERNMENT DOING WITH " NORTHEAST PROJECT" IS VERY VERY STUPID. TRUTH WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL. IT CAN ONLY CREATE FRICTION BETWEEN KOREANS AND CHINESE. IN THE END CHINESE WILL LOSE. LIKE TIBET, TAIWAN, CHINA ( WEST COAST PROVINCE) UIGHUR PROVINCE, AND MANCHURIA ( KOREA). THE WORD CHINA OR CHINA LAND IS VERY SUPERFICIAL LAND ONLY WAY CHINESE GOVERNMENT TO KEEP CONTROL 1.2 BILLION PEOPLE BY HAVING " COMMUNIST REGIME". EVEN COMMUNIST REGIME DON'T TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT CHINESE HISTORY. CHINESE GOVERNMENT IS KILLING THEMSELVES MAKING THEMSELVES LOOK VERY VERY STUPID. IN THE END KOREANS WILL WIN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Population6 ( talk • contribs) 01:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
The Chinese government maintains that Koguryŏ was a local Kingdom of a Chinese national minority, i.e. on Chinese territory. Please also refer to the discussion page on Koguryŏ. Babelfisch 07:52, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
so what? chinese can claim whatever they want...it won't change the history though Koguryo was never a chinese kingdom. chinese (mandarin) can only claim 'Han' dynasties as their historic kingdoms just because they forcefully dominate manchuria, tibet and east turkestan that doesn't mean they belonged to them 139.80.123.40 13:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
some of this seems like someone began to rant about Korean history...especially that huge chunk without references.
-- Heero Kirashami ( talk) 19:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
There is no citation for Gwanggaeto attacking Ainu peoples. Is it implying there were Ainu settlements in Manchuria/Southern Siberia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rekishiotaku ( talk • contribs) 12:24, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
The title, Gwanggaeto the great has to be changed into Emperor Gwanggaeto since the rulers of Goguryeo were called "Taewang" from the reign of Micheon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.101.9.93 ( talk) 09:52, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
If we see the texts written on the wall of the tombs of Goguryeo, or the stele, we can know that Goguryean rulers used the title, Taewang. So Emperor Gwanggaeto is right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by World historia ( talk • contribs) 10:45, 10 May 2012 (UTC) World historia ( talk) 08:19, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Please argue with historical evidences, not what academy under colonialism. If you cannot, accept the title, Taewang.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.101.9.93 ( talk) 22:54, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
The citations listed that supposedly equate T'aewang with Emperor do not actually support this assertion. Why are people translating Taewang as emperor? Kojong used t'aewang also, before upgrading his title again to hwangjae (which is actually emperor). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Konamaiki ( talk • contribs) 18:11, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
I undid the recent page move from Gwanggaeto the Great to Emperor Gwanggaeto per WP:COMMONNAME. "Emperor Gwanggaeto" has only two hits with Google Books and only one with Google Scholar.
-- Kusunose 02:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian ( talk) 10:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Gwanggaeto the Great → Emperor Gwanggaeto – This is processual request. This page had been titled Gwanggaeto the Great more than three years and before that, Gwanggaeto the Great of Goguryeo. Recently the page was moved twice to Emperor Gwanggaeto. As I thought thw new title is agaist established guidelines (see my reasoning below) and controversial, I undid them per WP:STATUSQUO and now initiating discussion per WP:RM. The reason for the move, as I see from above sections ( #The great? and #Emperor is right.), is that his title " Taewang" should be translated as "Emperor". -- Kusunose 06:07, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Since people seem to be move-warring in the middle of an RM, I've move-protected the page for a while. If I see it resume upon expiration of the move protection, I'll block whoever it is. Use this time to sort out the RM, and note that my protection isn't an endorsement of the this title; I merely think that a page should stay in one place during an RM, and this is where the RM was started. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 03:08, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
References added in each section of the paragraphs. Certain paragraphs challenged were cited or removed in case there are no plausible references or any written data. -- Mar del Este ( talk) 02:32, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
There has been an edit war here that includes multiple anonymous editors inserting the same material. The edit seems to revolve around Korean v. Chinese versions of history. Is one side more accurate, or can the two versions be brought together somehow? Thanks, Aristophanes68 (talk) 19:56, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Let's say that Version A is the original. Version B is the one with all the stuff about tributary states.
1) Version A is backed by citations. I opened and examined the citations and they support Version A. I suggest everyone else check too. Version A is supported by citations therefore it is appropriate.
2) Version B is NOT backed by citations. Version B replaces and messes up Version A (which is supported by citations) and is unrelated to the citations of the passages it replaces. Therefore Version B is inappropriate. The fact is that Version A is supported by citations and Version B is not and that should be the end of discussion on which version is acceptable. However, there's more problems with Version B.
3) Why is there a link to "History of Science and Technology in China"? What does THAT have to do with any of this?
4) Version B's long passage about Cao Wei and Goguryeo is anachronistic and happened more than a century before Gwanggaeto was even born. Yet that passage was added to Gwanggaeto's reign which makes that entire passage misleading and completely false.
IMO it's very clear that Version B is problematic and not appropriate. YB92 ( talk) 23:02, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Comment You might want to consider that 'Han China' did not even exist at the time of Gwanggaeto.... Wandrative ( talk) 20:14, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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CHINESE GOVERNMENT SHOULD ACCEPT " KORGURYO KINGDOM" AS KOREAN TERRITORY. YOU CANNOT CHANGE HISTORY. HISTORY IS TO LEARN FROM THE PAST, PRESENT, AND FOR THE FUTURE. WHAT CHINESE GOVERNMENT DOING WITH " NORTHEAST PROJECT" IS VERY VERY STUPID. TRUTH WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL. IT CAN ONLY CREATE FRICTION BETWEEN KOREANS AND CHINESE. IN THE END CHINESE WILL LOSE. LIKE TIBET, TAIWAN, CHINA ( WEST COAST PROVINCE) UIGHUR PROVINCE, AND MANCHURIA ( KOREA). THE WORD CHINA OR CHINA LAND IS VERY SUPERFICIAL LAND ONLY WAY CHINESE GOVERNMENT TO KEEP CONTROL 1.2 BILLION PEOPLE BY HAVING " COMMUNIST REGIME". EVEN COMMUNIST REGIME DON'T TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT CHINESE HISTORY. CHINESE GOVERNMENT IS KILLING THEMSELVES MAKING THEMSELVES LOOK VERY VERY STUPID. IN THE END KOREANS WILL WIN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Population6 ( talk • contribs) 01:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
The Chinese government maintains that Koguryŏ was a local Kingdom of a Chinese national minority, i.e. on Chinese territory. Please also refer to the discussion page on Koguryŏ. Babelfisch 07:52, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
so what? chinese can claim whatever they want...it won't change the history though Koguryo was never a chinese kingdom. chinese (mandarin) can only claim 'Han' dynasties as their historic kingdoms just because they forcefully dominate manchuria, tibet and east turkestan that doesn't mean they belonged to them 139.80.123.40 13:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
some of this seems like someone began to rant about Korean history...especially that huge chunk without references.
-- Heero Kirashami ( talk) 19:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
There is no citation for Gwanggaeto attacking Ainu peoples. Is it implying there were Ainu settlements in Manchuria/Southern Siberia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rekishiotaku ( talk • contribs) 12:24, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
The title, Gwanggaeto the great has to be changed into Emperor Gwanggaeto since the rulers of Goguryeo were called "Taewang" from the reign of Micheon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.101.9.93 ( talk) 09:52, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
If we see the texts written on the wall of the tombs of Goguryeo, or the stele, we can know that Goguryean rulers used the title, Taewang. So Emperor Gwanggaeto is right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by World historia ( talk • contribs) 10:45, 10 May 2012 (UTC) World historia ( talk) 08:19, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Please argue with historical evidences, not what academy under colonialism. If you cannot, accept the title, Taewang.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.101.9.93 ( talk) 22:54, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
The citations listed that supposedly equate T'aewang with Emperor do not actually support this assertion. Why are people translating Taewang as emperor? Kojong used t'aewang also, before upgrading his title again to hwangjae (which is actually emperor). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Konamaiki ( talk • contribs) 18:11, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
I undid the recent page move from Gwanggaeto the Great to Emperor Gwanggaeto per WP:COMMONNAME. "Emperor Gwanggaeto" has only two hits with Google Books and only one with Google Scholar.
-- Kusunose 02:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian ( talk) 10:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Gwanggaeto the Great → Emperor Gwanggaeto – This is processual request. This page had been titled Gwanggaeto the Great more than three years and before that, Gwanggaeto the Great of Goguryeo. Recently the page was moved twice to Emperor Gwanggaeto. As I thought thw new title is agaist established guidelines (see my reasoning below) and controversial, I undid them per WP:STATUSQUO and now initiating discussion per WP:RM. The reason for the move, as I see from above sections ( #The great? and #Emperor is right.), is that his title " Taewang" should be translated as "Emperor". -- Kusunose 06:07, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Since people seem to be move-warring in the middle of an RM, I've move-protected the page for a while. If I see it resume upon expiration of the move protection, I'll block whoever it is. Use this time to sort out the RM, and note that my protection isn't an endorsement of the this title; I merely think that a page should stay in one place during an RM, and this is where the RM was started. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 03:08, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
References added in each section of the paragraphs. Certain paragraphs challenged were cited or removed in case there are no plausible references or any written data. -- Mar del Este ( talk) 02:32, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
There has been an edit war here that includes multiple anonymous editors inserting the same material. The edit seems to revolve around Korean v. Chinese versions of history. Is one side more accurate, or can the two versions be brought together somehow? Thanks, Aristophanes68 (talk) 19:56, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Let's say that Version A is the original. Version B is the one with all the stuff about tributary states.
1) Version A is backed by citations. I opened and examined the citations and they support Version A. I suggest everyone else check too. Version A is supported by citations therefore it is appropriate.
2) Version B is NOT backed by citations. Version B replaces and messes up Version A (which is supported by citations) and is unrelated to the citations of the passages it replaces. Therefore Version B is inappropriate. The fact is that Version A is supported by citations and Version B is not and that should be the end of discussion on which version is acceptable. However, there's more problems with Version B.
3) Why is there a link to "History of Science and Technology in China"? What does THAT have to do with any of this?
4) Version B's long passage about Cao Wei and Goguryeo is anachronistic and happened more than a century before Gwanggaeto was even born. Yet that passage was added to Gwanggaeto's reign which makes that entire passage misleading and completely false.
IMO it's very clear that Version B is problematic and not appropriate. YB92 ( talk) 23:02, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Comment You might want to consider that 'Han China' did not even exist at the time of Gwanggaeto.... Wandrative ( talk) 20:14, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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