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Just in case people wonder, I moved the page from "Guy LaFleur" to "Guy Lafleur" because, in the French language, in Quebec or France, names like "Lafleur" do not take a second capital letter. Despite the fact that it seems widespread (probably based on the celtic Mc and Mac), the American custom of putting a second majuscule on the name of Franco-Americans, people with Quebecois descent, is not correct, at least not in the original French speaking context. -- Liberlogos 00:48, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Hey there, sorry to do this anonymously but this is the first time I've ever made one of these comments. I was reading this article was troubled by some comments and lack of professionalism. For example, from the introduction "one of the greatest and most popular players ever to play professional ice hockey"; I just read the Gretzky article and the contributor there (eventually) admirably refrained from making hyperbolic comment like this.
This also sets the tone for the rest of the article, with "he played with a thrilling style that marked him out as the most exciting professional hockey player of his era and, arguably, of all time". I think you guys call this a POV problem, implying that the author's Point Of View is interfering with imparting a neutral tone. Even if it's not, the subjectiveness of the statement makes it nearly impossible to prove one way or another. I would suggest either mediating the enthusiasm of these lines or simply removing them entirely.
The statistical and historical breakdown is fine, I have no problem with that, and for the most part it's a good, descriptive article.
In terms of lack of professionalism I think the line "he borrowed it for the weekend without telling anyone to show his friends back home in Thurso where he set it out on his front lawn for all his neighbors to see!" is at fault. I'm trying to think of any cases in an encyclopedia that would require an exclamation mark (outside of a quote) and can't think of a single one. Would remove the bang and potentially reword the sentence so it's a bit less admiring.
One last thing that someone might consider adding is Guy's attempts to re-enter the public consciousness with endorsements (some kind of juice) and maybe mention the "flower power" phenomenon.
Yes, the punctuation issue is correct. Exclamation marks experience very little use in academic or objective writing. It is, however, difficult to discuss an athlete bearing such accomplishment without being a bit subjective. Perhaps a reasonable solution is to change "one of the best" to "considered by many to be one of the best" or "the most exciting professional hockey player of his era" to "many fans praised Lafleur as the most exciting player of his era," or whatnot. As much as I love Guy Lafleur, I retain enough rationality to realize that statements like "one of the best" or "the most exciting" are not facts. They are arguments. I certainly believe those statements to be true, but I'm sure many people would argue that Bobby Orr was the most exciting player of that era, or, in Lafleur's later years, Wayne Gretzky. Again, I would agree with those arguments supporting Lafleur, but I would never call them facts. It is a fact, on the other hand, that many people consider him one of the best players ever, so simply altering the statements in question in that nature will solve this problem. MikeFlynn 02:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton ( talk) 09:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Saving nickname for future use "The Flower" - Djsasso ( talk) 22:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
he had fun in ways —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.73.77.254 ( talk) 18:20, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
This needs to be flagged...Obviously penned by a Hab homer. I don't know how to do that or else I would. Brendinooo ( talk) 05:25, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
"widely regarded as one of the most naturally gifted and popular players ever to play professional ice hockey." - no citation "scoring an amazing 130 regular season goals" - amazing? "The Habs' astute General Manager, Sam Pollock," - astute? "but by 1974 had developed his trademark smooth skating style and scoring touch." - not very encyclopedic... The whole thing feels like a narrative, one that's very much in favor of Montreal's beloved player. Brendinooo ( talk) 19:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
In doing an image search I found this one, which is from the um, Russian wiki. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:GuyLafleur_montreal.jpg I don't see any free images of Lafleur out there. Any takers on whether or not this image can be used here? Echoedmyron ( talk) 02:21, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
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So would Guy Guy Guy / Guy, Guy, Guy be good to document, and likely to be linked? The funeral coverage of each of the networks keeps mentioning the triplicate to refer to him. And Yvan Cournoyer also made it part of his eulogy -- 65.92.246.142 ( talk) 02:15, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
It took me a long time to work out who 'the Habs' are. An explanation that it is the nickname of the Canadiens would have saved a lot of vexation. Bringmetheheadofalfredocockroach ( talk) 09:27, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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Just in case people wonder, I moved the page from "Guy LaFleur" to "Guy Lafleur" because, in the French language, in Quebec or France, names like "Lafleur" do not take a second capital letter. Despite the fact that it seems widespread (probably based on the celtic Mc and Mac), the American custom of putting a second majuscule on the name of Franco-Americans, people with Quebecois descent, is not correct, at least not in the original French speaking context. -- Liberlogos 00:48, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Hey there, sorry to do this anonymously but this is the first time I've ever made one of these comments. I was reading this article was troubled by some comments and lack of professionalism. For example, from the introduction "one of the greatest and most popular players ever to play professional ice hockey"; I just read the Gretzky article and the contributor there (eventually) admirably refrained from making hyperbolic comment like this.
This also sets the tone for the rest of the article, with "he played with a thrilling style that marked him out as the most exciting professional hockey player of his era and, arguably, of all time". I think you guys call this a POV problem, implying that the author's Point Of View is interfering with imparting a neutral tone. Even if it's not, the subjectiveness of the statement makes it nearly impossible to prove one way or another. I would suggest either mediating the enthusiasm of these lines or simply removing them entirely.
The statistical and historical breakdown is fine, I have no problem with that, and for the most part it's a good, descriptive article.
In terms of lack of professionalism I think the line "he borrowed it for the weekend without telling anyone to show his friends back home in Thurso where he set it out on his front lawn for all his neighbors to see!" is at fault. I'm trying to think of any cases in an encyclopedia that would require an exclamation mark (outside of a quote) and can't think of a single one. Would remove the bang and potentially reword the sentence so it's a bit less admiring.
One last thing that someone might consider adding is Guy's attempts to re-enter the public consciousness with endorsements (some kind of juice) and maybe mention the "flower power" phenomenon.
Yes, the punctuation issue is correct. Exclamation marks experience very little use in academic or objective writing. It is, however, difficult to discuss an athlete bearing such accomplishment without being a bit subjective. Perhaps a reasonable solution is to change "one of the best" to "considered by many to be one of the best" or "the most exciting professional hockey player of his era" to "many fans praised Lafleur as the most exciting player of his era," or whatnot. As much as I love Guy Lafleur, I retain enough rationality to realize that statements like "one of the best" or "the most exciting" are not facts. They are arguments. I certainly believe those statements to be true, but I'm sure many people would argue that Bobby Orr was the most exciting player of that era, or, in Lafleur's later years, Wayne Gretzky. Again, I would agree with those arguments supporting Lafleur, but I would never call them facts. It is a fact, on the other hand, that many people consider him one of the best players ever, so simply altering the statements in question in that nature will solve this problem. MikeFlynn 02:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton ( talk) 09:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Saving nickname for future use "The Flower" - Djsasso ( talk) 22:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
he had fun in ways —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.73.77.254 ( talk) 18:20, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
This needs to be flagged...Obviously penned by a Hab homer. I don't know how to do that or else I would. Brendinooo ( talk) 05:25, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
"widely regarded as one of the most naturally gifted and popular players ever to play professional ice hockey." - no citation "scoring an amazing 130 regular season goals" - amazing? "The Habs' astute General Manager, Sam Pollock," - astute? "but by 1974 had developed his trademark smooth skating style and scoring touch." - not very encyclopedic... The whole thing feels like a narrative, one that's very much in favor of Montreal's beloved player. Brendinooo ( talk) 19:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
In doing an image search I found this one, which is from the um, Russian wiki. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:GuyLafleur_montreal.jpg I don't see any free images of Lafleur out there. Any takers on whether or not this image can be used here? Echoedmyron ( talk) 02:21, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
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So would Guy Guy Guy / Guy, Guy, Guy be good to document, and likely to be linked? The funeral coverage of each of the networks keeps mentioning the triplicate to refer to him. And Yvan Cournoyer also made it part of his eulogy -- 65.92.246.142 ( talk) 02:15, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
It took me a long time to work out who 'the Habs' are. An explanation that it is the nickname of the Canadiens would have saved a lot of vexation. Bringmetheheadofalfredocockroach ( talk) 09:27, 23 January 2023 (UTC)