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It should be explained how gunpowder tea leaves are rolled; supposedly this is done leaf by leaf, by hand. Badagnani 20:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Somewhere I read that most brands claim it's hand-rolled but that most commercially produced is done by machine. We should dig and find out exactly how this is done. It would be great to have a photo of somebody doing this! Badagnani 22:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Gunpowder is so far I know not rolled by hand, this seems to be one of those urban legends that have spread widely. The shape of the tea originates from the method of stopping the process of fermentation. This is traditionally done in a rotating barrel which is filled with the pure tea and installed above a fire. By the way that technique is also the reason for the mild roast aroma that Gunpowder Tea is quite famous for.
However, these days also the (originally) Japanese method of steaming the tea to stop the fermentation is widely used in China – Those Gunpowder Teas do lack that roast aroma but still get their form from that rotating barrel which is then steamed. Furthermore also these barrels get replaced by specialized rolling machines (Have a look here:
[1]).
Hope that explains a little, unfortunately I have no good (english) sources for these claims. -- Soultea ( talk) 15:25, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Stopping fermentation is done by various methods (see Tea processing), but I think the final form has more to do with the needs storage and transport. The teas used to be rolled by hand in small operations. However, later it started to be put into fabric bags and then kneaded by the hands and heels of workers. Now there are machines to do the job [2] -- Sjschen ( talk) 01:11, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I think the original wording "a form of tea" is better than "a shape of tea," which doesn't sound right. It's made clear that it could be made from green or oolong in the next sentence. Also, outside China I think what is sold as "gunpowder tea" must almost always be green tea, not oolong. Thus, the English name "gunpowder tea" should refer just to the green variety, but the Chinese name would be understood as referring to either, I think. Correct me if I'm wrong. If so, this distinction should be clarified in the article as well. Badagnani 10:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Really? I've never seen oolong gunpowder in the U.S. How is it labeled? Most of the cheap brands just call it "gunpowder tea" instead of "gunpowder green tea." Regarding the "normal" kind of gunpowder green tea, which specific green tea variety is most common? It usually has a vibrant green color, almost like wakame seaweed, and the leaves are long and feathery. Badagnani 22:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I guess I meant the predominant brands that are most widely available at an inexpensive price in North America. Like this one, this one, this one, and this one. I think some of these might be PRC government industries, and some of the brands may have a common supplier or group of suppliers in the same region. This is the one I've got right now; it's organic fair trade from Mountain Rose Herbs. Badagnani 00:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
It would seem that with such a longstanding and well known product that there would be websites that would spell all this out. But I'm not really certain that most (or any) gunpowder tea packages actually tell where the growing region or processing factory is located. We can check the next time we visit an Asian store to see if there's any location listed on the package. I don't know if "Temple of Heaven" is a style or just a brand name. Also, it seems to be produced also in Taiwan. I notice you added Tiguanyin; isn't that an oolong? Badagnani 04:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
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I never heard of any modern production around Keelung, or indeed anywhere in Taiwan. A quick Google search found some course materials by an NTU AgEcon professor, which says Taiwanese gunpowder tea had a monopoly in the Middle East and North Africa, but started to fade away around 1950s, though no mention of whether it's still produced today. I suspect whoever wrote this confused Muzha and Shimen tieguanyin with gunpowder. While the shapes are similar, Taiwanese tieguanyin is a descendent of Mainland tieguanyin and should not be included here. C9mVio9JRy ( talk) 20:46, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
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It should be explained how gunpowder tea leaves are rolled; supposedly this is done leaf by leaf, by hand. Badagnani 20:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Somewhere I read that most brands claim it's hand-rolled but that most commercially produced is done by machine. We should dig and find out exactly how this is done. It would be great to have a photo of somebody doing this! Badagnani 22:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Gunpowder is so far I know not rolled by hand, this seems to be one of those urban legends that have spread widely. The shape of the tea originates from the method of stopping the process of fermentation. This is traditionally done in a rotating barrel which is filled with the pure tea and installed above a fire. By the way that technique is also the reason for the mild roast aroma that Gunpowder Tea is quite famous for.
However, these days also the (originally) Japanese method of steaming the tea to stop the fermentation is widely used in China – Those Gunpowder Teas do lack that roast aroma but still get their form from that rotating barrel which is then steamed. Furthermore also these barrels get replaced by specialized rolling machines (Have a look here:
[1]).
Hope that explains a little, unfortunately I have no good (english) sources for these claims. -- Soultea ( talk) 15:25, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Stopping fermentation is done by various methods (see Tea processing), but I think the final form has more to do with the needs storage and transport. The teas used to be rolled by hand in small operations. However, later it started to be put into fabric bags and then kneaded by the hands and heels of workers. Now there are machines to do the job [2] -- Sjschen ( talk) 01:11, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I think the original wording "a form of tea" is better than "a shape of tea," which doesn't sound right. It's made clear that it could be made from green or oolong in the next sentence. Also, outside China I think what is sold as "gunpowder tea" must almost always be green tea, not oolong. Thus, the English name "gunpowder tea" should refer just to the green variety, but the Chinese name would be understood as referring to either, I think. Correct me if I'm wrong. If so, this distinction should be clarified in the article as well. Badagnani 10:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Really? I've never seen oolong gunpowder in the U.S. How is it labeled? Most of the cheap brands just call it "gunpowder tea" instead of "gunpowder green tea." Regarding the "normal" kind of gunpowder green tea, which specific green tea variety is most common? It usually has a vibrant green color, almost like wakame seaweed, and the leaves are long and feathery. Badagnani 22:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I guess I meant the predominant brands that are most widely available at an inexpensive price in North America. Like this one, this one, this one, and this one. I think some of these might be PRC government industries, and some of the brands may have a common supplier or group of suppliers in the same region. This is the one I've got right now; it's organic fair trade from Mountain Rose Herbs. Badagnani 00:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
It would seem that with such a longstanding and well known product that there would be websites that would spell all this out. But I'm not really certain that most (or any) gunpowder tea packages actually tell where the growing region or processing factory is located. We can check the next time we visit an Asian store to see if there's any location listed on the package. I don't know if "Temple of Heaven" is a style or just a brand name. Also, it seems to be produced also in Taiwan. I notice you added Tiguanyin; isn't that an oolong? Badagnani 04:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
It appears that most of the information in this article does not have any sources to go along with it. I have taken it upon myself to find sources and add them so that this page can be more relevant and have correct information. Veganlover1993 ( talk) 20:24, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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I never heard of any modern production around Keelung, or indeed anywhere in Taiwan. A quick Google search found some course materials by an NTU AgEcon professor, which says Taiwanese gunpowder tea had a monopoly in the Middle East and North Africa, but started to fade away around 1950s, though no mention of whether it's still produced today. I suspect whoever wrote this confused Muzha and Shimen tieguanyin with gunpowder. While the shapes are similar, Taiwanese tieguanyin is a descendent of Mainland tieguanyin and should not be included here. C9mVio9JRy ( talk) 20:46, 26 June 2021 (UTC)