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I'm adding the international portal link ( http://gunzonline.com/) NotYouHaha (([[User talk:NotYouHaha|talk}}) 16:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Supported. Ryuugaki ( talk) 05:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Private Servers are a huge part of what Gunz is and belong on the article, as at least a small mention. Obviously linking to them wouldn't be the way to go, but a small note about their existence should be there. Whether they're legal or not. They exist. Ryuugaki ( talk) 06:27, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
This page is for discussing the article and how it can improved. Questions about technical help and how to do certain techniques belong in forums such as the ijji Forums or the forum at GunzFactor. Please do not litter this page. Additionally, I'm going to archive all discussions ending before December of 2006. Ryuugaki 00:00, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I'll finish archiving the rest later. For those who are reading this, please comply with this request. Or face possible consequences. I'll TELL ON YOU! NA-NA 128.200.104.143 23:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I came back from my break, only to find that the archives are gone! I suppose littering the talk page is a good thing to some of you.. Ryuugaki ( talk) 20:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I made some good edits that were changed by Persian Poet Gal, so you should change some of them back and not have the site locked down, because, as i always have 100+ ping i KNOW that it doesnt equal .1 seconds or whatever of lag... it equals around .5-1second of lag. Also, for the quest, there should not be opinionated things on how easy the quest is, and Bosses are not rare... you just just get certain items and put them in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zerochanger ( talk • contribs) 17:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to remove the comment about Private Servers being against the TOS, because the people who make private servers never agreed to any Terms of Service. Even if they did, they can claim they didn't. Thus, the statement does not belong in the section. 128.200.104.143 23:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
`Guard While holding either a sword or kodachi, press the guard key to deflect enemy bullets or melee attacks. This does not protect the lower half of the body. `
Does anyone know what the guard button is and would it not be worth adding it?
Would anyone be willing to find and include the storyline originally implemented in the game? -- 68.60.18.222 02:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Would the game GunZ use any of these?
Many of these new page edits are screwing up the page. Pointless things are added in, and are full of grammar and spelling mistakes. Remember, spell/grammar check is your friend - and check your facts before submitting.-- Kawufix
hey! on the private servers part, astra is the continent, not the empire... --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.15.166.97 ( talk • contribs)
I deleted the "most commonly used by Cerb3rus and the members of Cerb's Cult" part of Cerb3rus, since it isn't necessarily true (many users use it) and Hurricane, since it isn't really a technique. EDIT: Wait, isn't "Spiking" and "Cerb3rus" exactly the same thing, but with a block cancel in Cerb3rus? RE-EDIT: Cerberus is "Sword Instant-Kill", not "Spiking". Either way, it's not different.-- Kawufix
"GunZ is played from a 3rd-Person view, with no clear way of changing this announced."
What? :Fixed. "GunZ is played in third person, and no change of this has been annouced. Though the International Edition is in beta stages, the Korean version has long since been more or less complete."-- ZanshinJ
Having a clan section will result in clans that think they should be listed being added and other defaced/removed Also, much of Gunz clans such as Cer3brus or Hurricane have been constantly tormented by such clans as The_§ic or panties. These clans are groups of individuals with no real cause for playing the game, let alone purpose. They live to pester the gameplay and further produce rebellion amongst young gamers and their friends alike. The much ridiculed sites of such clans exist in the NA servers today known as "www.thesicclan.checkoutmypage.com" and others as known as "wwwfreewebs.com/thesic". also "Pantiesclan.org" is a known vigilante site.
In response to your slander: The_§ic will always been a reigning force upon GunZ and will continue to kick ass and never be banned from the servers. try as they might, the admins have never had proof of us hacking or using theird party programs in the use of playing. So all of you can kindly never speak of us negativily again. We're here to stay and We plan on destroying the game even more than it already has been. Stay §ick Tools. ~link~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Parabola ( talk • contribs) 06:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
The only protection against this would be a total removal of clans/players section.
KANKERSPEL
Reading through the manual it seems you will have to pay for some items later, can anyone shed some light on this?
Well I dont think i'll give the anwser but... >>>Items<<< what kind of items >>>Money(paying)<<< what REAl money or bounty this makes no sense.
Sign your comments. From levels 1-30, you can buy your equipment from the in-game shop for Bounty, the in-game currency. However, after level 30, you must purchase your equipment using whatever form of payment that server requires. In IJJI, it's ijji coins. I am unsure whether this applies to all servers, although it certainly doesn't apply to private ones. Ryuugaki ( talk) 20:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
they're information for the good of the community. stop hiding them.
Glitches are supposed to be there, I think -- Joshua Tapar
Seeing as K-style itself is an enormous glitch in the game, I'll go ahead and agree Jitunu 03:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Glitches are the thing that basicly make the game fun. They will meant to be there. User:lousydot aka goodboy5
The whole game is basically a glitch, without glitch it would basically suck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zerochanger ( talk • contribs) 16:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
NOTE. This is a perfect example of something that does NOT belong on the talk page. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject. Ryuugaki ( talk) 06:18, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
There are a precious few Gunz players who are tired of every player out there constantly using the Butterfly technique instead of having an actual swordfight. This is particularly annoying when one is playing bow rules, as it often results in one person endlessly jumping and slashing in circles around a player who cannot or will not use Butterfly. While the Butterfly technique remains one of the most effective styles of melee combat, it is a rather underhanded tactic. It is likely that the original game design did not include such a tactic and that it developed from loopholes in the game's coding. Although widely used and incredibly effective, the Butterfly technique requires little strategy, though many will inevitably argue otherwise. I have found that the Butterfly technique robs the game of some of its entertainment value. In an effort to curb the rampant use of Butterfly, the user cidbahamut has made efforts to introduce the concept of Gopher Style, a more ground based style of fighting. Although Gopher Style is not effective against Buttefly, it is much more enjoyable. The number of users who have interacted with and agreed with the user cidbahamut is extremely small, but many have found Gopher Style to be preferable to jumping around endlessly with Butterfly.
Cidbahamut lives on server 3 of the international version beta.
-gantzgraf-
<(' '<) All sword styles are blockable, to block butterfly, simply block upwards.
^^That's not true at all 'to block butterfly, simply block upwards'. If that was true, noone would be using Butterfly because it would have a 100% chance to fail if you "simply blocked upwards" Fact of the matter is, there is NO other way to fight in melee in GunZ besides Butterflying (With swords, daggers are a different story) Meaning, you can't slash on the ground or slash in the air (without blocking) and even hope to win against a decent Butterflier. --OdinReborn
Dude who cares about honour its just all you kill me and i kill you in this game. Butterfly is fine by my word. Skullprince5
Ok... Sure the "Butterfly Technique" and other techniques were made with the loop holes and glitches in the game (such as those cancelling moves) but isn't that what makes Gunz so fun and unpredictable? If you ask me, the only thing wrong with the Butterfly technique is the discrimination that comes with it. If you can't "BF" then you're considered a n00b. Turtling and other styles of playing are just fine. Just because your invincible BF was defeated by a "n00b move" then you shouldn't go flaming the other guy... Just my opinion, and by the way PLEASE, PLEASE don't go around saying BF is the best. It's just really effective. ~WhatBeDevoid
I think the only reason people are still touchy about the BF is because they are easily pawned by BFers. People please don't go ranting around saying BF isn't legal or isn't part of the game. I have to agree with Kawufix on this one, just learn it. I used to be against BF mainly because I couldn't do it. Now, although my BF sucks and it's pretty slow I'm beginning to see why it's one of the most popular styles of Gunz Whatbedevoid 07:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, seriously, guys, this isn't that complicated. GunZ was not meant to be played with any K-Style moves. They take advantage of glitches in the game, negating a lot of other players who use a legitimate and fair style. That being said, there has been no movement from the GunZ team to stop these glitches and eliminate unfair K-stylers...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.178.42.23 ( talk • contribs)
The discussion page is for discussion about the article, not various styles of gameplay. Discussions about "Honor" and whether or not it takes skill to do something belong in forums, not encyclopedic discussions. Just end this conversation before you force me to go all Moderator on you and write a four-page essay on how you're doing something wrong and Chuck Norris is indeed related to at least one deity (As well as notes on how the heck Chuck Norris has anything to do with you anyway). And as for my two cents, if you don't like that someone is using Butterfly techniques, either learn it yourself, or if you can't, stop complaining. Excuses like "I don't want to because it lacks honor / it's "stupid" / it's "nooby" aren't arguments at all. If you don't like it, find another game to play. Like CounterStrike. It's just Gunz without swords. And lots of spraying. Ryuugaki 23:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Honor is probably not the term you're looking for. However if you approach the issue in terms of game play balance instead of honor, I could see your point. I would also point out that K-stylers can have an advantage in laggy games because they are constantly attacking a wide area with their sword as well as blocking. -- TekJ 11:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Wow, stop complaining. A useful technique against BF is Turtling. I use BF, but when I find someone much better then me at K-Style, I just Turtle, and alot of the time win. ScrapWolf 15:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
GUYS! There are so many things wrong with this discussion... Okay, although I think that K-Style is a bit iffy, I don't mind because I use a knife anyways. And besides all that, this does not belong on a Wikipedia talk page. So we shoyuld really drop the whole thing. -- The F50 Man 17:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Honestly this is totally rubbish. Butterfly is one of the most powerful melee skill in combat. Which actually helps us if we run out of bullets etc... My definition of this topic is people are just too tired getting killed by people who use butterfly or whatever. My answer to this is: Why not practice k-style( butterfly and stuff) and just be as good as the other players. Remember this!!! Practice makes perfect!!!! My other solution: Stop whining or just play some other game. Gunz just has too many of these whining fools. Lousydot aka goodboy5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lousydot ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Damn Vandals: Stop deleting stuff, or your ip will be temporarily banned. Stop sometime soon!
Help! I can't get to the international GunZ forums! Cloudbreath9 22:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
It is closed.-- goodboy5
Should there be mention of the game being exclusively PvP only despite having RPG elements which would suggest to a person who hasn't played the game that there is some form of PvE?
It seems that the links must first be verified. Well, I would like to have http://gunrock.tk/ added to the links section. Please verify the link ASAP, as we are the rival of Gunzfactor and are trying to run them out of business. It is also a forum fo Warrock, but that doesn't have to do anything with GunZ: The Duel. With that being said, I would really appreciate if you would verify the site. --drama4money
Yo, want to ally with GZU? I'm rivaling with GZF as well. As for Kawufix, yea GunZ Factor has a very active forum and a lot of info is there but one bad thing. Everything is spattered everywhere. Very unorganized. --Razorblitz07
Hello I Am Verimas I Agree With Razorblitz07 Fully All The Way But I Belive That Razorblit07 Is Un Worthy To Have His Site Here He Created A Private Server And He Released it Publicly!He Is A Discrace To The GunZ Community I HOPE YOU GET SUED! Veriams 18:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Verimas, shutup. You're ElementalShadow. As for the private server, I see LegacyGamers and Daemonring posted up on the main page. As the 2 best GunZ Private servers, shouldn't they get shutdown and sued? Hmmm, hasn't happened yet. And Verimas, you're just pissed off becuase the GunZ Unlimited Staff confronted you and finally found out that you're not an ijji admin, which is the reason why you have been banned from GZU. If MAIET or ijji tells me to shutdown my server, I will. Until then, they haven't done sh*t about any of the *insert numbers here* private servers out there. -razorblitz07 11:16 PM March 5th
Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side. -- OdinReborn 16:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
GZU and GR are just fan sites, and are not notable enough to be in the extrnal links list. the only reason GZF is on the list is because its being used as an official forum for iGunz since MAIET hasnt put up their forum. This shouldnt be anymore clearer. End of discussion. DYE_Slayer 03:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I am a player of Gunz the Duel and I use the k-style techniques described on this wiki. I just want to say that anyone that worked on this did a very nice job. The techiniques described here are fantastic! Keep up the good work! Edit: Oops... forgot signature. Thanks, Kawufix!!! Rubikfreak 19:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
As per tag. Anyone? -- Antoshi~! T | C 18:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
The techniques should be removed in this GunZ article. It states that this shouldn't be an instruction manual (Which is entirely true) and as such, we must remove the Korean-Style technique moves etc etc etc in this article. You can describe what it is, but you don't show the moves. I'm going to remove them once, and see how it goes. OdinReborn 17:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn
Anyone got screenshots of the "auras" over peoples' heads? Headshot and All Kill are accurate, but the rest aren't, or at least aren't very descriptive. Not that you'd need anything besides the color to tell you what you got, though. -- Kawufix 03:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
It's hard because for example, the "Purple Aura" isn't a clear descriptive graphic. OdinReborn 15:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn
Yeah :\ I never actually looked carefully at any of the "auras", so until now, I didn't even notice that Excellent was a set of wings. <_< -- Kawufix 18:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Heh, you either don't play a lot, not observant, or your graphic's are on low XD Heh, just playing. But yea, I think "Arch-like" is the best it's going to get -_-;; OdinReborn 14:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn
Kay, done. -- Antoshi~! T | C 03:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I believe that E-Style and D-Style techniques should be added to GunZ the Duel wikipedia. This is because K-Style isn't the only way to play, and it pushes into that "It's the only way to play" territory. I say either show it all or show none of it at all. Way way way back when, I added an E-Style thing, but it got deleted quickly. Can someone provide reasoning as to why E-Style and D-Style aren't mentioned at all? (The actual techniques) OdinReborn 16:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn
There are E-Style techniques, they just don't rely on glitchs etc XD Me being one of the only people who still practices E-Style/Hybrid. And D-Style does have it's own moves, they don't rely on glitchs though (I think) such as Yo-yo, Gatling, Footstab, Evade etc. OdinReborn 14:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn
Can you do Dagger Hop, Space Invader, Dagger Train, and Dagger Machine without a dagger and claim that they are NOT glitches? Search for them on gunzfactor.com.
With a Sword, you can cancel wall jumps, wall runs, enemy animations(Dagger Gatling), and dashes. You can also splice slashes with wall jumps(wall slash climbing) dashes(Lightstep and Butterfly), and weapon switches(Slashshot). Daggers can cancel all the things that swords can at more or less the same effectiveness, however they cannot splice anything. They look pretty disadvantaged don't they? Guess what, they're not. Let me explain. With a sword you can cancel dashes just as well as daggers, but you MUST wait for the entire slash animation to end before doing something else(like dashing). Daggers, on the other hand, must also wait for their stab animation to end when canceling, but... but! They don't need to wait very long, because the Stab animation is SO SHORT, that feats like dashing two times in a single jump is possible - which incidentally is called Dagger Flash. This, is the niche of Dagger glitching, and is one of the greatest reasons why they are still in use. Because Daggers can cancel so much faster, they can change directions at almost any given point in time. Yes, you can Light Step with a sword, but Dagger users can cut off their dash and go off in completely a different direction at nearly whenever they want to. You can Space Invade with a sword yes, but again your dashes are predictable because you have to wait for your dash or slash animation to end completely before going in another direction; once again, daggers do not and as a result, are many times more unpredictable and have much more evasive ability. In short, the secret of Dagger speed is the briefness of the stabs, allowing more things to be done in a shorter time frame. Dagger Hopping is, as you say, jump+dash+stab spamming, but you will not get the same erratic result if you try it with a sword. When someone Dagger Hops they jump up and down rapidly. Light Step is MUCH slower. Though then again, Butterfly might actually be better in certain situations(they have a similar movement pattern), but that is besides the point. Dagger Train is DHopping with a jump, yes. Nevertheless, it still has it's uses. Okay, you know about juggling, right? Sword juggling makes use of a fast butterfly cancel to keep a person in the air. Dagger Juggling is much simpler, because you can normally spam stab below a person and keep him in the air. A Dagger Train is crucial to Dagger Juggle because you obviously need to manuever to stab at the right points. A Dagger Hop wouldn't work because you might knock the target down; thus we have Dagger Train as a badass component in an advanced Dagger move. Dagger Machine is NOT the same as Dagger Hopping. What's this about "doing it near an opponent to stab them"? That's just plain Dagger Hopping. Dagger Machine, contrary to what Prim's guide says, is manipulating two stabs such that the first one hits later than usual, thus the time window between the two stabs is shortened. The target will go through 2 hit animations subsequently, leaving them wide open to another attack of your choosing. An in-depth and well-written source can be found here: http://www.gunzfactor.com/forums/f11/62959-dagger_machine_explained.html Let me sum it up--> Dagger Hopping, Dagger Training, Dagger Machining, proper Space Invading all not possible with sword because the slash delay to too long. Daggers can cancel one after another. If you still doubt the uniqueness or even usefulness of these moves, I strongly suggest you read a relatively new Dagger Guide here: http://www.gunzfactor.com/forums/f11/52087-cysotes_tactical_dstyle_guide.html or if you want visual proof, watch a Dstyle tutorial here: http://www.gunzfactor.com/forums/f36/38528-do_dagger_4_ahtpd.html. Sorry for the text wall, if you feel the need for further explanation just say so. Nosedigger 11:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
1. All Kill only occurs when a player has killed everyone on the other team, or everyone but one person. If you do 105+ damage to everyone on the other team, meaning that you do the majority, you will NOT get all kill if you kill nobody.
2. Butterfly and butterfly step ARE THE SAME THING. Nobody does butterfly without a dash, and I explicitly noted that it could be done without it though.
3. "Butterfly Stepshot" is a combo of butterfly and a standstill slashshot.
4. "Butterfly Shot/Buttershot" is JUMP > SLASH > BLOCK > [DASH] > SLASH > SWITCH > SHOOT > [DASH], where [] is optional dashes. Double butterfly then a slashshot is simply impossible, since you will hit the ground by the end of the second slashblock.
5. Stop adding non-encyclopedic information, and use comments correctly - <!-.- is the beginning of a comment, and -.-> signifies the end (remove the periods).
Just so you know why I reverted you again. -- Kawufix 02:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok Kawufix I agree with you for most.. you don't have to include that last part for All kill it's pretty obvious if you kill nobody you would not get an all kill..., Secondly Butterfly Stepshot IS a combo of butterfly step and a motionless slash shot however it is still a move either way. Also this is "tips and tricks" as stated if this was so non-encyclopedic you'd have to delete the whole Korean style page.. If you think otherwise about that then where do you stand on what I add...
72.89.220.110 05:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC) DAonlyRaZoR . . . but to you, "72.89.220.10"
Since there was already a section with your name in it, there would be no point in me making another one. Anyways, you should check your Userpage sometime XD -- OdinReborn 14:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I see this wasn't going to get done, so I went and did it myself. Through some research, I found out that video game strategy wiki's belong in StrategyWiki, not Wikibooks. So, I went ahead and moved the K-Style Techniques section over there. If anyone else wants to contribute and make the article less of a stub, the link is here. -- Antoshi~! T | C 18:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't see a lot off from Ijji Gunz, since most of the page has been updated and sections have been changed to make the article accurate. The article might need new sections on clans or on new systems in the game, but otherwise for past information it's about fine. -- Kawufix 22:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
You can get Fantastic on your first kill. I'm not positive for Unbelievable, though, so I'll leave that edit in. As long as you hit the head, you can get a headshot. -- Kawufix 15:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
The article seems to revolve around International and North American gunz itself,and not gunz in general. we need some more information on Japanese and Korean gunz. DYE_Slayer 05:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Or instead, just drop I/NA stuff and move the I, K, J, and Ijji to the other GunZ...thing. Just a suggestion. Make it just a general Encyclopedia, not specific. OdinReborn 20:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)OdinReborn
Actually, I recently found MAIET's website which includes its history. (hint,hint) The link. DYE_Slayer 22:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Some person (Grey-FOXDIE) told me on GunZ that you can reload and switch to sword and your gun would reload or something (the manner in which you reload and switch with RS but it reloads this time while your sword's hilt is in your hand).
Is there nething on this —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iijasd ( talk • contribs) 01:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
Aha... A hack? No, it is a glitch many people encounter whilst trying to practice forbidden... >.< gg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.9.120 ( talk) 13:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I did send an e-mail to Wikipedia. And you can't keep editing the list of fansites. This is a FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA, anyone can edit or add information to an article with whatever that person judge importante. So, stop deleting all the fansites that were added on the list of External Links. You was reported to Wikipedia. . —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.10.168.92 ( talk) 15:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Let's get some citations fixed, as i've included many that need citations.-- OdinReborn 17:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
It seems like the best solution here would be to mention private servers, but not specific names. People who are interested can find them on google, and it keeps WP from being a directory. Obviously everyone wants to mentioned their server to give it fame, but where do we draw the line of 'Major'? Same population of official servers? Larger? A few hundred? -- feb talk 21:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
There Have Been A Lot of Servers I Have One It Is Just About As Good As ZFB8's Server I Have Not Released It Publicly And I Will Not Release It.I Made My Own Database And Made Everything From Scratch I Think That You Should At Least Mention Me Or Something My Company's Name Is Shadowgamer We Made it I Have a staff of 12 that is it thanks - Veriams 18:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok Just Because I Kept My Server "Private" Hence The Meaning And I Didn't Release It 3 Days After International GunZ Came Out Im Not Famous For It The Only Reason RepublicOfAstra Id Famous FOr His Is Because He Blabbed it All Over YouTube After Guntrix Said That There Will Be No Private Servers On GunZ He Is A Show-Of And All Private Servers Came To Be Because Of 3 People 1.Whoever Made The .mrs Unpacker 2. The Creator Of MatchServer 3.The Creater Of The GunzDB Table
I Did Not Use Any Of That I Made It Scratch Programed Typed Everything Translating All Text On GunZ I Could Find From Korean To English I Would Of Released My Server But I Was Afraid I Would Get SUED AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO READ THE TERMS OF AGREEMENT WHEN I INSTALLED! For Crying Out Loud There Are Billions Of Servers Out There And They All Use The Same Outline But Mine I Use Erimas.exe And SQL My Own Files I Am The First Person Ever (Exept The Japan And Korea)To Make A Server But Agian At Least Give Me A Shread Of Credit Please. Because When Im Dead I Nobody Will Give A Hoot About My Hard Work I Would Like Some Credit In GunZ History... If You Do Decide To add my server my alias is OneWhoSights And my company name is ShadowGamers I Am Part Of The GunZ Unlimited Community And My Server Will Say Private As Long As I Get Poper Credit.Thanks And Please Add My Server Thanks OneWhoSights Veriams 18:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Despite many warnings from maiet administrators, many are still running. I actually think that maiet stopped their hunt for private servers, more private servers (not only gunz) are rising. The administrators should not give up/or stop but instead RE-ENFORCE it and punish the developers of the private servers to the fullest extent of law. I'll just want to say it is stealing of intellectual property. -Lousydot aka goodboy5
Right now, this one looks to be in pretty bad shape. A few things should be remembered here:
Keep the removal, but mention something about the techniques somewhere else. -- Kawufi x 20:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I've made numerous edits, and added comments, please refer to the comments for explanation. Feel free to discuss here. Thanks. -- OdinReborn 20:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
"The name "Korean-Style" was named after Korea[citation needed], where the first localized GunZ server was located [7]. Korean-Stylers must use swords or kodachis."
Despite the fact the sentence was slapped with a citation tag, it is well-known that the term "Korean-Style" was created from the character named Korean, who is better-known as Kraise. -- Antoshi~! T | C 13:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
It is rather common knowledge that K-style came to ijji through Kraise, however. It should be in Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.175.242 ( talk) 23:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that the Private Server image should have the chat text censored out. It is irrelevant, and not needed (And could just add confusion) -- OdinReborn 17:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. -- OdinReborn 14:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I just glanced back on this article, and I'm finding all these tags and "citations needed" unnecessary and foolish. It looks like someone is either trying to snowball the article or just ran around randomly tagging statements. Let me go through each one and explain myself.
"Fan site" tag: When I look at this tag, I think "Why?" This article is clearly written in a non-praising, formal tone (I just went back and read the whole thing and found nothing really out of line).
"Primary sources" tag: This one is a bit tricky to get rid of, but see my reasoning below.
Citation on "released in June 2005": I saw the little notes there. If OdinReborn reads this, what does Brazil Gunz have to do with the fact the statement is for International Gunz? As well, it's common knowledge by older players (myself included) that International Gunz was released in June 2005. If Odin's comment that "2006 is far too early" is referencing International Gunz, that is clearly incorrect.
Citation on "people using Korean-Style were often considered to be cheating": This one boggles me. How can you cite a source on an opinion?
Citation on "The name "Korean-Style" was named after the player "Korean"": I can't remember if I entered this statement or not. Once again, this is common knowledge throughout the experienced Gunz players community. The only thing I can dig up for a citation on this is an old replay of Korean teaching K-Style techniques, however, this statement is true, and I don't feel it needs a citation.
Citation on "GunZ networking system": This is the one where I started thinking these were incorrectly placed. Once again, this is common knowledge about players connecting to each other rather than to a server.
I cannot understand why these tags and citations have been placed. The simple truth is that these statements can be backed up by people who have knowledge of the game, however finding sources for them will be near-impossible, because they're either in other languages, much too old to cite, or would have to get the statement from the creators of the game. So to the people who added these tags or at least agree with them, please discuss. -- Antoshi~! T | C 18:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
"Citation on "released in June 2005": I saw the little notes there. If OdinReborn reads this, what does Brazil Gunz have to do with the fact the statement is for International Gunz? As well, it's common knowledge by older players (myself included) that International Gunz was released in June 2005. If Odin's comment that "2006 is far too early" is referencing International Gunz, that is clearly incorrect." No, I wasn't referring to International GunZ.
Secondly, it doesn't matter if it's knowledgable within the GunZ community, or anyone else. If one cannot provide a viable and relevant source to a piece of information, then the citation tag is needed. Not everyone is going to look on Ijji.com or GunZFactor for the "knowledable" information. It needs to be cited whether you like it or not. I'm putting back some of the original 'Citation Needed' if any were taken off. -- OdinReborn 17:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Citations are needed when things could be doubted, not just to have citations. Look at today's featured article: "Steven Paul "Elliott" Smith (August 6, 1969 – October 21, 2003) was an American singer-songwriter and musician. His primary instrument was the guitar, but he was also proficient at piano, clarinet, bass, harmonica and drums." Not a single citation in the first two sentences, why? Because they aren't needed. They're common knowledge facts. Look at any major articles, and look for things that are common knowledge. They don't need to be cited unless there's a possibility that the statement is untrue/NPOV, which this doesn't seem to be. -- Phoeba Wright OBJECTION! 09:30, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
A suggestion by User:Notmyhandle (and it would have to be done eventually anyway): instead of just using direct links, use Template:Cite web and <ref> to cite sources (I'm adding a reference section now). -- Kawufi x 02:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I added that into the article, and thanks for editing it up.
I will try to get something up to prove that it's true a GM confirmed it. I actually confirmed it with an ijji staff through PM, so I can't just link.
-- MrJacky 13:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
The term "flipping" is not used by the publisher and the producer, at the various official sites of GunZ.
Someone might want to rephrase them with those used at GunZOnline.com, but add what they are commonly known as, like "stun (aka flip)". -- MrJacky 13:28, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I read through the notability guidelines, and this article currently doesn't actually meet them... The problem is, the majority of the "notability" about GunZ (it having its own section on a Korean TV show, official GunZ tournaments and stuff) is all in Korean. -- Kawufi x 22:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
If it has notability in korea, it's notable. Wikipedia has no borders. Just source some korean papers covering it. I'm removing the notability tag, I agree with the citing sources tag though -- Phoeba Wright OBJECTION! 04:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
PM Me if you find anything useful; I'm fluent in Korean but I'm much too lazy to be digging up things for something so trivial. I mean, come on, notability? But if WP must have, WP must get.. Ryuugaki ( talk) 19:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I think it's pretty neutral, but please discuss. -- Kawufi x 19:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
It's generally neutral, but it's getting borderline bias. -- OdinReborn 19:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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I think there should be some information about the ongoing death of GunZ. The community overall has been spinning downward for quite some time now. It should be included. -- Shade11 | ( Talk) 04:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
See WP:OR -- lucid 04:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
How has it been spiraling downwards, exactly? The community has always been not so great anyway. -- Kawufi x 01:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I thought ijji was doing a pretty okay job of returning the hype. 116.14.33.121 12:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
It didn't seem to get any better. A lot of people can't even stand GunZ anymore. It's mostly because of the community. -- Shade11 | ( Talk • contribs) 19:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Don't bother putting anything about this. It really isn't encyclopedic, as well as the fact that it isn't interesting and may not be true. -- The F50 Man 18:01, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm too lazy to photoshop the picture "You get wings when you level up" blocking out the name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gunz012.jpg
Someone do it pl0x or even remove it? kthx bye
I didn't make the picture, btw. What I'm asking is someone remove the picture or edit out the name?
--
BrianAndBrian
00:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
WENT TO WIKIPEDIA TO LOOK THIS UP AND ITS NOT THERE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.17.249 ( talk) 06:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean? If there is malware in the GunzInstaller.exe then it probably is an unofficial download that has been tampered with. Shameen 16:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
It says (in Korean-Style and Gameplay) that "However, the dagger cannot be used to block, and cannot cancel a stab animation by switching to another weapon, limiting its usefulness in comparison to using a sword." The dagger is not less useful than the sword. In fact, the dagger can do certain things that a sword can't. A dagger can cancel a dash with a stab much more effectively than a sword. A sword-user has to wait for the slash to finish. A stab cancels a dash almost instantly. There are many moves that display this. Two, for instance, are Reverse Flash and Yoyo Quarter. Both are moves invented by Slap, a famous D-styler. Search up the moves on Gunzfactor for proof.
Reverse Flash: Dash-> Stab-> Jump-> Dash-> Stab-> Dash. If this move is done correctly, it will look like 3 mid-air dashes. (The first stab must cancel the first dash as soon as possible)
Yoyo Quarter: Jump+Switch to Gun-> Dash-> Shoot-> Switch to dagger-> Dash-> Stab-> Dash. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.175.242 ( talk) 23:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
The "use" referred to in the article pertains to K-styling. Ryuugaki ( talk) 06:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
The_§ic, also to be titled as the most influential clan of all time in GunZ...will not be taken lightly. Their continued spread of philosophy is the glue that holds GunZ together. Our multiple sites and Trophy of 3 continuous years of service more than qualify has corruption of the minds of youngins across the Globe. We have established our §ickening philosophy In America, Great Britian, mexico, Canada, Holland, Germany, Austrailia, The phillippines, Brazil, Sweeden, Poland, and parts of India. How can you honestly Deny the fact that perhaps that there are children right now in another country discovering new ways to solve problems, to defeat people intelligently instead of physically...Perhaps our members shall one day become political figures. Or perhaps Soldiers in an army completely ready for team training missions in a special ops unit of a military faction. Then again, countless profanities have been wasted on us online for our "noobish" tactics, and pointless arguments started over just the mere mention of our name in-game. The cause unknown, we turn to our Philosophy for answer. We care not for the unjust nature of the many, for they could never comprehend who and why we are the way we are. Its just ridiculous the slanderous methods that people have used to describe us. We have done so much for the GunZ community, and the thanks we get is being made into the Martyr. Across nations we are hated for our many sayings and quotes. We are damned in any language. Shall I continue? If you need more information...go to www.freewebs.com/thesic. most of the players online know it anyways. But by all means- if you don't believe me, go into a server and find out for yourself. If you can pinpoint 10 clans out of the thousands that are in that game that ACTUALLY LIKE US...you'll get a shiny nickel From Myself. But trust me, i've collected ALOT of nickles waiting for that day. GunZ will go offline before that happens. Lord Parabola ( talk) 06:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
That's all well and nice, but WP is not for clan advertising. Ryuugaki ( talk) 19:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
GunZ Revolution is also a great resource for those interested in GunZ Online. It should be right underneath GunZ Factor because it has a lot of stuff GunZ Factor doesn't.
GunZ Revolution —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.157.220.127 ( talk) 18:37, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Whether or not it's more complete, GunzFactor is the more recognized place. Ryuugaki ( talk) 20:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
If the text fails to cite references, you delete the unsupported text. "Common knowledge" is known as "original research" here at WP, and is shunned. You're right, by my logic there's no way it can be "proved" this "Korean" invented K-style. I have solid "proof" from over 50 kGunz players that they have never heard of this "Kraise" person, but because I am not shoving it into the article precisely the reason that I am deleting the comment about Korean creating (or even having a hand in introducing) and will continue to do so in the future- NO CITATIONS TO RELIABLE SOURCES. The only way that the comment about Kraise will be let back on is if you have a signed notice from an IJJI or MAIET official that says so. Otherwise, consider yourself invited to an edit war. I am right and you are wrong. Bahbo. Ryuugaki ( talk) 20:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Korean brought K-Style to IGUNZ, end of story. He invented K-Style on IGUNZ in a sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.107.191 ( talk) 21:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Proof? Besides, he did NOT invent it. Even if this 'Korean' made it popular in IGunz, all the techniques can be easily reproduced without prior knowledge or outside help. End discussion about this already; until you have solid proof, every attempt to readd that tidbit to the article will be aggressively removed, justified by WP:REF. Ryuugaki ( talk) 06:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Yet nobody did. I was there, I saw it happen. There is no log for GunZ, so quit trying to ask proof for every single thing. Korean brought it to IGUNZ, nobody said he invented it. It's public knowledge - if you don't know that, what kind of GunZ player are you? A Quest newb? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.107.191 ( talk) 00:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to let the editors of this article know that I have semi-protected it for 3 weeks due to the recurrent vandalism, point-of-view edits, and insertion of hoax information. If you are an anonymous or new user that is unable to edit the article, you may request an established user to make an edit by placing the request on this talk page. ¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 16:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
I'm adding the international portal link ( http://gunzonline.com/) NotYouHaha (([[User talk:NotYouHaha|talk}}) 16:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Supported. Ryuugaki ( talk) 05:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Private Servers are a huge part of what Gunz is and belong on the article, as at least a small mention. Obviously linking to them wouldn't be the way to go, but a small note about their existence should be there. Whether they're legal or not. They exist. Ryuugaki ( talk) 06:27, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
This page is for discussing the article and how it can improved. Questions about technical help and how to do certain techniques belong in forums such as the ijji Forums or the forum at GunzFactor. Please do not litter this page. Additionally, I'm going to archive all discussions ending before December of 2006. Ryuugaki 00:00, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I'll finish archiving the rest later. For those who are reading this, please comply with this request. Or face possible consequences. I'll TELL ON YOU! NA-NA 128.200.104.143 23:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I came back from my break, only to find that the archives are gone! I suppose littering the talk page is a good thing to some of you.. Ryuugaki ( talk) 20:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I made some good edits that were changed by Persian Poet Gal, so you should change some of them back and not have the site locked down, because, as i always have 100+ ping i KNOW that it doesnt equal .1 seconds or whatever of lag... it equals around .5-1second of lag. Also, for the quest, there should not be opinionated things on how easy the quest is, and Bosses are not rare... you just just get certain items and put them in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zerochanger ( talk • contribs) 17:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to remove the comment about Private Servers being against the TOS, because the people who make private servers never agreed to any Terms of Service. Even if they did, they can claim they didn't. Thus, the statement does not belong in the section. 128.200.104.143 23:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
`Guard While holding either a sword or kodachi, press the guard key to deflect enemy bullets or melee attacks. This does not protect the lower half of the body. `
Does anyone know what the guard button is and would it not be worth adding it?
Would anyone be willing to find and include the storyline originally implemented in the game? -- 68.60.18.222 02:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Would the game GunZ use any of these?
Many of these new page edits are screwing up the page. Pointless things are added in, and are full of grammar and spelling mistakes. Remember, spell/grammar check is your friend - and check your facts before submitting.-- Kawufix
hey! on the private servers part, astra is the continent, not the empire... --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.15.166.97 ( talk • contribs)
I deleted the "most commonly used by Cerb3rus and the members of Cerb's Cult" part of Cerb3rus, since it isn't necessarily true (many users use it) and Hurricane, since it isn't really a technique. EDIT: Wait, isn't "Spiking" and "Cerb3rus" exactly the same thing, but with a block cancel in Cerb3rus? RE-EDIT: Cerberus is "Sword Instant-Kill", not "Spiking". Either way, it's not different.-- Kawufix
"GunZ is played from a 3rd-Person view, with no clear way of changing this announced."
What? :Fixed. "GunZ is played in third person, and no change of this has been annouced. Though the International Edition is in beta stages, the Korean version has long since been more or less complete."-- ZanshinJ
Having a clan section will result in clans that think they should be listed being added and other defaced/removed Also, much of Gunz clans such as Cer3brus or Hurricane have been constantly tormented by such clans as The_§ic or panties. These clans are groups of individuals with no real cause for playing the game, let alone purpose. They live to pester the gameplay and further produce rebellion amongst young gamers and their friends alike. The much ridiculed sites of such clans exist in the NA servers today known as "www.thesicclan.checkoutmypage.com" and others as known as "wwwfreewebs.com/thesic". also "Pantiesclan.org" is a known vigilante site.
In response to your slander: The_§ic will always been a reigning force upon GunZ and will continue to kick ass and never be banned from the servers. try as they might, the admins have never had proof of us hacking or using theird party programs in the use of playing. So all of you can kindly never speak of us negativily again. We're here to stay and We plan on destroying the game even more than it already has been. Stay §ick Tools. ~link~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Parabola ( talk • contribs) 06:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
The only protection against this would be a total removal of clans/players section.
KANKERSPEL
Reading through the manual it seems you will have to pay for some items later, can anyone shed some light on this?
Well I dont think i'll give the anwser but... >>>Items<<< what kind of items >>>Money(paying)<<< what REAl money or bounty this makes no sense.
Sign your comments. From levels 1-30, you can buy your equipment from the in-game shop for Bounty, the in-game currency. However, after level 30, you must purchase your equipment using whatever form of payment that server requires. In IJJI, it's ijji coins. I am unsure whether this applies to all servers, although it certainly doesn't apply to private ones. Ryuugaki ( talk) 20:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
they're information for the good of the community. stop hiding them.
Glitches are supposed to be there, I think -- Joshua Tapar
Seeing as K-style itself is an enormous glitch in the game, I'll go ahead and agree Jitunu 03:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Glitches are the thing that basicly make the game fun. They will meant to be there. User:lousydot aka goodboy5
The whole game is basically a glitch, without glitch it would basically suck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zerochanger ( talk • contribs) 16:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
NOTE. This is a perfect example of something that does NOT belong on the talk page. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject. Ryuugaki ( talk) 06:18, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
There are a precious few Gunz players who are tired of every player out there constantly using the Butterfly technique instead of having an actual swordfight. This is particularly annoying when one is playing bow rules, as it often results in one person endlessly jumping and slashing in circles around a player who cannot or will not use Butterfly. While the Butterfly technique remains one of the most effective styles of melee combat, it is a rather underhanded tactic. It is likely that the original game design did not include such a tactic and that it developed from loopholes in the game's coding. Although widely used and incredibly effective, the Butterfly technique requires little strategy, though many will inevitably argue otherwise. I have found that the Butterfly technique robs the game of some of its entertainment value. In an effort to curb the rampant use of Butterfly, the user cidbahamut has made efforts to introduce the concept of Gopher Style, a more ground based style of fighting. Although Gopher Style is not effective against Buttefly, it is much more enjoyable. The number of users who have interacted with and agreed with the user cidbahamut is extremely small, but many have found Gopher Style to be preferable to jumping around endlessly with Butterfly.
Cidbahamut lives on server 3 of the international version beta.
-gantzgraf-
<(' '<) All sword styles are blockable, to block butterfly, simply block upwards.
^^That's not true at all 'to block butterfly, simply block upwards'. If that was true, noone would be using Butterfly because it would have a 100% chance to fail if you "simply blocked upwards" Fact of the matter is, there is NO other way to fight in melee in GunZ besides Butterflying (With swords, daggers are a different story) Meaning, you can't slash on the ground or slash in the air (without blocking) and even hope to win against a decent Butterflier. --OdinReborn
Dude who cares about honour its just all you kill me and i kill you in this game. Butterfly is fine by my word. Skullprince5
Ok... Sure the "Butterfly Technique" and other techniques were made with the loop holes and glitches in the game (such as those cancelling moves) but isn't that what makes Gunz so fun and unpredictable? If you ask me, the only thing wrong with the Butterfly technique is the discrimination that comes with it. If you can't "BF" then you're considered a n00b. Turtling and other styles of playing are just fine. Just because your invincible BF was defeated by a "n00b move" then you shouldn't go flaming the other guy... Just my opinion, and by the way PLEASE, PLEASE don't go around saying BF is the best. It's just really effective. ~WhatBeDevoid
I think the only reason people are still touchy about the BF is because they are easily pawned by BFers. People please don't go ranting around saying BF isn't legal or isn't part of the game. I have to agree with Kawufix on this one, just learn it. I used to be against BF mainly because I couldn't do it. Now, although my BF sucks and it's pretty slow I'm beginning to see why it's one of the most popular styles of Gunz Whatbedevoid 07:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, seriously, guys, this isn't that complicated. GunZ was not meant to be played with any K-Style moves. They take advantage of glitches in the game, negating a lot of other players who use a legitimate and fair style. That being said, there has been no movement from the GunZ team to stop these glitches and eliminate unfair K-stylers...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.178.42.23 ( talk • contribs)
The discussion page is for discussion about the article, not various styles of gameplay. Discussions about "Honor" and whether or not it takes skill to do something belong in forums, not encyclopedic discussions. Just end this conversation before you force me to go all Moderator on you and write a four-page essay on how you're doing something wrong and Chuck Norris is indeed related to at least one deity (As well as notes on how the heck Chuck Norris has anything to do with you anyway). And as for my two cents, if you don't like that someone is using Butterfly techniques, either learn it yourself, or if you can't, stop complaining. Excuses like "I don't want to because it lacks honor / it's "stupid" / it's "nooby" aren't arguments at all. If you don't like it, find another game to play. Like CounterStrike. It's just Gunz without swords. And lots of spraying. Ryuugaki 23:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Honor is probably not the term you're looking for. However if you approach the issue in terms of game play balance instead of honor, I could see your point. I would also point out that K-stylers can have an advantage in laggy games because they are constantly attacking a wide area with their sword as well as blocking. -- TekJ 11:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Wow, stop complaining. A useful technique against BF is Turtling. I use BF, but when I find someone much better then me at K-Style, I just Turtle, and alot of the time win. ScrapWolf 15:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
GUYS! There are so many things wrong with this discussion... Okay, although I think that K-Style is a bit iffy, I don't mind because I use a knife anyways. And besides all that, this does not belong on a Wikipedia talk page. So we shoyuld really drop the whole thing. -- The F50 Man 17:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Honestly this is totally rubbish. Butterfly is one of the most powerful melee skill in combat. Which actually helps us if we run out of bullets etc... My definition of this topic is people are just too tired getting killed by people who use butterfly or whatever. My answer to this is: Why not practice k-style( butterfly and stuff) and just be as good as the other players. Remember this!!! Practice makes perfect!!!! My other solution: Stop whining or just play some other game. Gunz just has too many of these whining fools. Lousydot aka goodboy5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lousydot ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Damn Vandals: Stop deleting stuff, or your ip will be temporarily banned. Stop sometime soon!
Help! I can't get to the international GunZ forums! Cloudbreath9 22:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
It is closed.-- goodboy5
Should there be mention of the game being exclusively PvP only despite having RPG elements which would suggest to a person who hasn't played the game that there is some form of PvE?
It seems that the links must first be verified. Well, I would like to have http://gunrock.tk/ added to the links section. Please verify the link ASAP, as we are the rival of Gunzfactor and are trying to run them out of business. It is also a forum fo Warrock, but that doesn't have to do anything with GunZ: The Duel. With that being said, I would really appreciate if you would verify the site. --drama4money
Yo, want to ally with GZU? I'm rivaling with GZF as well. As for Kawufix, yea GunZ Factor has a very active forum and a lot of info is there but one bad thing. Everything is spattered everywhere. Very unorganized. --Razorblitz07
Hello I Am Verimas I Agree With Razorblitz07 Fully All The Way But I Belive That Razorblit07 Is Un Worthy To Have His Site Here He Created A Private Server And He Released it Publicly!He Is A Discrace To The GunZ Community I HOPE YOU GET SUED! Veriams 18:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Verimas, shutup. You're ElementalShadow. As for the private server, I see LegacyGamers and Daemonring posted up on the main page. As the 2 best GunZ Private servers, shouldn't they get shutdown and sued? Hmmm, hasn't happened yet. And Verimas, you're just pissed off becuase the GunZ Unlimited Staff confronted you and finally found out that you're not an ijji admin, which is the reason why you have been banned from GZU. If MAIET or ijji tells me to shutdown my server, I will. Until then, they haven't done sh*t about any of the *insert numbers here* private servers out there. -razorblitz07 11:16 PM March 5th
Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side. -- OdinReborn 16:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
GZU and GR are just fan sites, and are not notable enough to be in the extrnal links list. the only reason GZF is on the list is because its being used as an official forum for iGunz since MAIET hasnt put up their forum. This shouldnt be anymore clearer. End of discussion. DYE_Slayer 03:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I am a player of Gunz the Duel and I use the k-style techniques described on this wiki. I just want to say that anyone that worked on this did a very nice job. The techiniques described here are fantastic! Keep up the good work! Edit: Oops... forgot signature. Thanks, Kawufix!!! Rubikfreak 19:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
As per tag. Anyone? -- Antoshi~! T | C 18:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
The techniques should be removed in this GunZ article. It states that this shouldn't be an instruction manual (Which is entirely true) and as such, we must remove the Korean-Style technique moves etc etc etc in this article. You can describe what it is, but you don't show the moves. I'm going to remove them once, and see how it goes. OdinReborn 17:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn
Anyone got screenshots of the "auras" over peoples' heads? Headshot and All Kill are accurate, but the rest aren't, or at least aren't very descriptive. Not that you'd need anything besides the color to tell you what you got, though. -- Kawufix 03:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
It's hard because for example, the "Purple Aura" isn't a clear descriptive graphic. OdinReborn 15:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn
Yeah :\ I never actually looked carefully at any of the "auras", so until now, I didn't even notice that Excellent was a set of wings. <_< -- Kawufix 18:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Heh, you either don't play a lot, not observant, or your graphic's are on low XD Heh, just playing. But yea, I think "Arch-like" is the best it's going to get -_-;; OdinReborn 14:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn
Kay, done. -- Antoshi~! T | C 03:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I believe that E-Style and D-Style techniques should be added to GunZ the Duel wikipedia. This is because K-Style isn't the only way to play, and it pushes into that "It's the only way to play" territory. I say either show it all or show none of it at all. Way way way back when, I added an E-Style thing, but it got deleted quickly. Can someone provide reasoning as to why E-Style and D-Style aren't mentioned at all? (The actual techniques) OdinReborn 16:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn
There are E-Style techniques, they just don't rely on glitchs etc XD Me being one of the only people who still practices E-Style/Hybrid. And D-Style does have it's own moves, they don't rely on glitchs though (I think) such as Yo-yo, Gatling, Footstab, Evade etc. OdinReborn 14:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn
Can you do Dagger Hop, Space Invader, Dagger Train, and Dagger Machine without a dagger and claim that they are NOT glitches? Search for them on gunzfactor.com.
With a Sword, you can cancel wall jumps, wall runs, enemy animations(Dagger Gatling), and dashes. You can also splice slashes with wall jumps(wall slash climbing) dashes(Lightstep and Butterfly), and weapon switches(Slashshot). Daggers can cancel all the things that swords can at more or less the same effectiveness, however they cannot splice anything. They look pretty disadvantaged don't they? Guess what, they're not. Let me explain. With a sword you can cancel dashes just as well as daggers, but you MUST wait for the entire slash animation to end before doing something else(like dashing). Daggers, on the other hand, must also wait for their stab animation to end when canceling, but... but! They don't need to wait very long, because the Stab animation is SO SHORT, that feats like dashing two times in a single jump is possible - which incidentally is called Dagger Flash. This, is the niche of Dagger glitching, and is one of the greatest reasons why they are still in use. Because Daggers can cancel so much faster, they can change directions at almost any given point in time. Yes, you can Light Step with a sword, but Dagger users can cut off their dash and go off in completely a different direction at nearly whenever they want to. You can Space Invade with a sword yes, but again your dashes are predictable because you have to wait for your dash or slash animation to end completely before going in another direction; once again, daggers do not and as a result, are many times more unpredictable and have much more evasive ability. In short, the secret of Dagger speed is the briefness of the stabs, allowing more things to be done in a shorter time frame. Dagger Hopping is, as you say, jump+dash+stab spamming, but you will not get the same erratic result if you try it with a sword. When someone Dagger Hops they jump up and down rapidly. Light Step is MUCH slower. Though then again, Butterfly might actually be better in certain situations(they have a similar movement pattern), but that is besides the point. Dagger Train is DHopping with a jump, yes. Nevertheless, it still has it's uses. Okay, you know about juggling, right? Sword juggling makes use of a fast butterfly cancel to keep a person in the air. Dagger Juggling is much simpler, because you can normally spam stab below a person and keep him in the air. A Dagger Train is crucial to Dagger Juggle because you obviously need to manuever to stab at the right points. A Dagger Hop wouldn't work because you might knock the target down; thus we have Dagger Train as a badass component in an advanced Dagger move. Dagger Machine is NOT the same as Dagger Hopping. What's this about "doing it near an opponent to stab them"? That's just plain Dagger Hopping. Dagger Machine, contrary to what Prim's guide says, is manipulating two stabs such that the first one hits later than usual, thus the time window between the two stabs is shortened. The target will go through 2 hit animations subsequently, leaving them wide open to another attack of your choosing. An in-depth and well-written source can be found here: http://www.gunzfactor.com/forums/f11/62959-dagger_machine_explained.html Let me sum it up--> Dagger Hopping, Dagger Training, Dagger Machining, proper Space Invading all not possible with sword because the slash delay to too long. Daggers can cancel one after another. If you still doubt the uniqueness or even usefulness of these moves, I strongly suggest you read a relatively new Dagger Guide here: http://www.gunzfactor.com/forums/f11/52087-cysotes_tactical_dstyle_guide.html or if you want visual proof, watch a Dstyle tutorial here: http://www.gunzfactor.com/forums/f36/38528-do_dagger_4_ahtpd.html. Sorry for the text wall, if you feel the need for further explanation just say so. Nosedigger 11:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
1. All Kill only occurs when a player has killed everyone on the other team, or everyone but one person. If you do 105+ damage to everyone on the other team, meaning that you do the majority, you will NOT get all kill if you kill nobody.
2. Butterfly and butterfly step ARE THE SAME THING. Nobody does butterfly without a dash, and I explicitly noted that it could be done without it though.
3. "Butterfly Stepshot" is a combo of butterfly and a standstill slashshot.
4. "Butterfly Shot/Buttershot" is JUMP > SLASH > BLOCK > [DASH] > SLASH > SWITCH > SHOOT > [DASH], where [] is optional dashes. Double butterfly then a slashshot is simply impossible, since you will hit the ground by the end of the second slashblock.
5. Stop adding non-encyclopedic information, and use comments correctly - <!-.- is the beginning of a comment, and -.-> signifies the end (remove the periods).
Just so you know why I reverted you again. -- Kawufix 02:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok Kawufix I agree with you for most.. you don't have to include that last part for All kill it's pretty obvious if you kill nobody you would not get an all kill..., Secondly Butterfly Stepshot IS a combo of butterfly step and a motionless slash shot however it is still a move either way. Also this is "tips and tricks" as stated if this was so non-encyclopedic you'd have to delete the whole Korean style page.. If you think otherwise about that then where do you stand on what I add...
72.89.220.110 05:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC) DAonlyRaZoR . . . but to you, "72.89.220.10"
Since there was already a section with your name in it, there would be no point in me making another one. Anyways, you should check your Userpage sometime XD -- OdinReborn 14:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I see this wasn't going to get done, so I went and did it myself. Through some research, I found out that video game strategy wiki's belong in StrategyWiki, not Wikibooks. So, I went ahead and moved the K-Style Techniques section over there. If anyone else wants to contribute and make the article less of a stub, the link is here. -- Antoshi~! T | C 18:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't see a lot off from Ijji Gunz, since most of the page has been updated and sections have been changed to make the article accurate. The article might need new sections on clans or on new systems in the game, but otherwise for past information it's about fine. -- Kawufix 22:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
You can get Fantastic on your first kill. I'm not positive for Unbelievable, though, so I'll leave that edit in. As long as you hit the head, you can get a headshot. -- Kawufix 15:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
The article seems to revolve around International and North American gunz itself,and not gunz in general. we need some more information on Japanese and Korean gunz. DYE_Slayer 05:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Or instead, just drop I/NA stuff and move the I, K, J, and Ijji to the other GunZ...thing. Just a suggestion. Make it just a general Encyclopedia, not specific. OdinReborn 20:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)OdinReborn
Actually, I recently found MAIET's website which includes its history. (hint,hint) The link. DYE_Slayer 22:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Some person (Grey-FOXDIE) told me on GunZ that you can reload and switch to sword and your gun would reload or something (the manner in which you reload and switch with RS but it reloads this time while your sword's hilt is in your hand).
Is there nething on this —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iijasd ( talk • contribs) 01:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
Aha... A hack? No, it is a glitch many people encounter whilst trying to practice forbidden... >.< gg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.9.120 ( talk) 13:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I did send an e-mail to Wikipedia. And you can't keep editing the list of fansites. This is a FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA, anyone can edit or add information to an article with whatever that person judge importante. So, stop deleting all the fansites that were added on the list of External Links. You was reported to Wikipedia. . —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.10.168.92 ( talk) 15:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Let's get some citations fixed, as i've included many that need citations.-- OdinReborn 17:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
It seems like the best solution here would be to mention private servers, but not specific names. People who are interested can find them on google, and it keeps WP from being a directory. Obviously everyone wants to mentioned their server to give it fame, but where do we draw the line of 'Major'? Same population of official servers? Larger? A few hundred? -- feb talk 21:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
There Have Been A Lot of Servers I Have One It Is Just About As Good As ZFB8's Server I Have Not Released It Publicly And I Will Not Release It.I Made My Own Database And Made Everything From Scratch I Think That You Should At Least Mention Me Or Something My Company's Name Is Shadowgamer We Made it I Have a staff of 12 that is it thanks - Veriams 18:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok Just Because I Kept My Server "Private" Hence The Meaning And I Didn't Release It 3 Days After International GunZ Came Out Im Not Famous For It The Only Reason RepublicOfAstra Id Famous FOr His Is Because He Blabbed it All Over YouTube After Guntrix Said That There Will Be No Private Servers On GunZ He Is A Show-Of And All Private Servers Came To Be Because Of 3 People 1.Whoever Made The .mrs Unpacker 2. The Creator Of MatchServer 3.The Creater Of The GunzDB Table
I Did Not Use Any Of That I Made It Scratch Programed Typed Everything Translating All Text On GunZ I Could Find From Korean To English I Would Of Released My Server But I Was Afraid I Would Get SUED AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO READ THE TERMS OF AGREEMENT WHEN I INSTALLED! For Crying Out Loud There Are Billions Of Servers Out There And They All Use The Same Outline But Mine I Use Erimas.exe And SQL My Own Files I Am The First Person Ever (Exept The Japan And Korea)To Make A Server But Agian At Least Give Me A Shread Of Credit Please. Because When Im Dead I Nobody Will Give A Hoot About My Hard Work I Would Like Some Credit In GunZ History... If You Do Decide To add my server my alias is OneWhoSights And my company name is ShadowGamers I Am Part Of The GunZ Unlimited Community And My Server Will Say Private As Long As I Get Poper Credit.Thanks And Please Add My Server Thanks OneWhoSights Veriams 18:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Despite many warnings from maiet administrators, many are still running. I actually think that maiet stopped their hunt for private servers, more private servers (not only gunz) are rising. The administrators should not give up/or stop but instead RE-ENFORCE it and punish the developers of the private servers to the fullest extent of law. I'll just want to say it is stealing of intellectual property. -Lousydot aka goodboy5
Right now, this one looks to be in pretty bad shape. A few things should be remembered here:
Keep the removal, but mention something about the techniques somewhere else. -- Kawufi x 20:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I've made numerous edits, and added comments, please refer to the comments for explanation. Feel free to discuss here. Thanks. -- OdinReborn 20:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
"The name "Korean-Style" was named after Korea[citation needed], where the first localized GunZ server was located [7]. Korean-Stylers must use swords or kodachis."
Despite the fact the sentence was slapped with a citation tag, it is well-known that the term "Korean-Style" was created from the character named Korean, who is better-known as Kraise. -- Antoshi~! T | C 13:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
It is rather common knowledge that K-style came to ijji through Kraise, however. It should be in Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.175.242 ( talk) 23:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that the Private Server image should have the chat text censored out. It is irrelevant, and not needed (And could just add confusion) -- OdinReborn 17:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. -- OdinReborn 14:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I just glanced back on this article, and I'm finding all these tags and "citations needed" unnecessary and foolish. It looks like someone is either trying to snowball the article or just ran around randomly tagging statements. Let me go through each one and explain myself.
"Fan site" tag: When I look at this tag, I think "Why?" This article is clearly written in a non-praising, formal tone (I just went back and read the whole thing and found nothing really out of line).
"Primary sources" tag: This one is a bit tricky to get rid of, but see my reasoning below.
Citation on "released in June 2005": I saw the little notes there. If OdinReborn reads this, what does Brazil Gunz have to do with the fact the statement is for International Gunz? As well, it's common knowledge by older players (myself included) that International Gunz was released in June 2005. If Odin's comment that "2006 is far too early" is referencing International Gunz, that is clearly incorrect.
Citation on "people using Korean-Style were often considered to be cheating": This one boggles me. How can you cite a source on an opinion?
Citation on "The name "Korean-Style" was named after the player "Korean"": I can't remember if I entered this statement or not. Once again, this is common knowledge throughout the experienced Gunz players community. The only thing I can dig up for a citation on this is an old replay of Korean teaching K-Style techniques, however, this statement is true, and I don't feel it needs a citation.
Citation on "GunZ networking system": This is the one where I started thinking these were incorrectly placed. Once again, this is common knowledge about players connecting to each other rather than to a server.
I cannot understand why these tags and citations have been placed. The simple truth is that these statements can be backed up by people who have knowledge of the game, however finding sources for them will be near-impossible, because they're either in other languages, much too old to cite, or would have to get the statement from the creators of the game. So to the people who added these tags or at least agree with them, please discuss. -- Antoshi~! T | C 18:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
"Citation on "released in June 2005": I saw the little notes there. If OdinReborn reads this, what does Brazil Gunz have to do with the fact the statement is for International Gunz? As well, it's common knowledge by older players (myself included) that International Gunz was released in June 2005. If Odin's comment that "2006 is far too early" is referencing International Gunz, that is clearly incorrect." No, I wasn't referring to International GunZ.
Secondly, it doesn't matter if it's knowledgable within the GunZ community, or anyone else. If one cannot provide a viable and relevant source to a piece of information, then the citation tag is needed. Not everyone is going to look on Ijji.com or GunZFactor for the "knowledable" information. It needs to be cited whether you like it or not. I'm putting back some of the original 'Citation Needed' if any were taken off. -- OdinReborn 17:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Citations are needed when things could be doubted, not just to have citations. Look at today's featured article: "Steven Paul "Elliott" Smith (August 6, 1969 – October 21, 2003) was an American singer-songwriter and musician. His primary instrument was the guitar, but he was also proficient at piano, clarinet, bass, harmonica and drums." Not a single citation in the first two sentences, why? Because they aren't needed. They're common knowledge facts. Look at any major articles, and look for things that are common knowledge. They don't need to be cited unless there's a possibility that the statement is untrue/NPOV, which this doesn't seem to be. -- Phoeba Wright OBJECTION! 09:30, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
A suggestion by User:Notmyhandle (and it would have to be done eventually anyway): instead of just using direct links, use Template:Cite web and <ref> to cite sources (I'm adding a reference section now). -- Kawufi x 02:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I added that into the article, and thanks for editing it up.
I will try to get something up to prove that it's true a GM confirmed it. I actually confirmed it with an ijji staff through PM, so I can't just link.
-- MrJacky 13:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
The term "flipping" is not used by the publisher and the producer, at the various official sites of GunZ.
Someone might want to rephrase them with those used at GunZOnline.com, but add what they are commonly known as, like "stun (aka flip)". -- MrJacky 13:28, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I read through the notability guidelines, and this article currently doesn't actually meet them... The problem is, the majority of the "notability" about GunZ (it having its own section on a Korean TV show, official GunZ tournaments and stuff) is all in Korean. -- Kawufi x 22:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
If it has notability in korea, it's notable. Wikipedia has no borders. Just source some korean papers covering it. I'm removing the notability tag, I agree with the citing sources tag though -- Phoeba Wright OBJECTION! 04:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
PM Me if you find anything useful; I'm fluent in Korean but I'm much too lazy to be digging up things for something so trivial. I mean, come on, notability? But if WP must have, WP must get.. Ryuugaki ( talk) 19:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I think it's pretty neutral, but please discuss. -- Kawufi x 19:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
It's generally neutral, but it's getting borderline bias. -- OdinReborn 19:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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I think there should be some information about the ongoing death of GunZ. The community overall has been spinning downward for quite some time now. It should be included. -- Shade11 | ( Talk) 04:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
See WP:OR -- lucid 04:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
How has it been spiraling downwards, exactly? The community has always been not so great anyway. -- Kawufi x 01:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I thought ijji was doing a pretty okay job of returning the hype. 116.14.33.121 12:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
It didn't seem to get any better. A lot of people can't even stand GunZ anymore. It's mostly because of the community. -- Shade11 | ( Talk • contribs) 19:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Don't bother putting anything about this. It really isn't encyclopedic, as well as the fact that it isn't interesting and may not be true. -- The F50 Man 18:01, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm too lazy to photoshop the picture "You get wings when you level up" blocking out the name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gunz012.jpg
Someone do it pl0x or even remove it? kthx bye
I didn't make the picture, btw. What I'm asking is someone remove the picture or edit out the name?
--
BrianAndBrian
00:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
WENT TO WIKIPEDIA TO LOOK THIS UP AND ITS NOT THERE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.17.249 ( talk) 06:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean? If there is malware in the GunzInstaller.exe then it probably is an unofficial download that has been tampered with. Shameen 16:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
It says (in Korean-Style and Gameplay) that "However, the dagger cannot be used to block, and cannot cancel a stab animation by switching to another weapon, limiting its usefulness in comparison to using a sword." The dagger is not less useful than the sword. In fact, the dagger can do certain things that a sword can't. A dagger can cancel a dash with a stab much more effectively than a sword. A sword-user has to wait for the slash to finish. A stab cancels a dash almost instantly. There are many moves that display this. Two, for instance, are Reverse Flash and Yoyo Quarter. Both are moves invented by Slap, a famous D-styler. Search up the moves on Gunzfactor for proof.
Reverse Flash: Dash-> Stab-> Jump-> Dash-> Stab-> Dash. If this move is done correctly, it will look like 3 mid-air dashes. (The first stab must cancel the first dash as soon as possible)
Yoyo Quarter: Jump+Switch to Gun-> Dash-> Shoot-> Switch to dagger-> Dash-> Stab-> Dash. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.175.242 ( talk) 23:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
The "use" referred to in the article pertains to K-styling. Ryuugaki ( talk) 06:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
The_§ic, also to be titled as the most influential clan of all time in GunZ...will not be taken lightly. Their continued spread of philosophy is the glue that holds GunZ together. Our multiple sites and Trophy of 3 continuous years of service more than qualify has corruption of the minds of youngins across the Globe. We have established our §ickening philosophy In America, Great Britian, mexico, Canada, Holland, Germany, Austrailia, The phillippines, Brazil, Sweeden, Poland, and parts of India. How can you honestly Deny the fact that perhaps that there are children right now in another country discovering new ways to solve problems, to defeat people intelligently instead of physically...Perhaps our members shall one day become political figures. Or perhaps Soldiers in an army completely ready for team training missions in a special ops unit of a military faction. Then again, countless profanities have been wasted on us online for our "noobish" tactics, and pointless arguments started over just the mere mention of our name in-game. The cause unknown, we turn to our Philosophy for answer. We care not for the unjust nature of the many, for they could never comprehend who and why we are the way we are. Its just ridiculous the slanderous methods that people have used to describe us. We have done so much for the GunZ community, and the thanks we get is being made into the Martyr. Across nations we are hated for our many sayings and quotes. We are damned in any language. Shall I continue? If you need more information...go to www.freewebs.com/thesic. most of the players online know it anyways. But by all means- if you don't believe me, go into a server and find out for yourself. If you can pinpoint 10 clans out of the thousands that are in that game that ACTUALLY LIKE US...you'll get a shiny nickel From Myself. But trust me, i've collected ALOT of nickles waiting for that day. GunZ will go offline before that happens. Lord Parabola ( talk) 06:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
That's all well and nice, but WP is not for clan advertising. Ryuugaki ( talk) 19:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
GunZ Revolution is also a great resource for those interested in GunZ Online. It should be right underneath GunZ Factor because it has a lot of stuff GunZ Factor doesn't.
GunZ Revolution —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.157.220.127 ( talk) 18:37, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Whether or not it's more complete, GunzFactor is the more recognized place. Ryuugaki ( talk) 20:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
If the text fails to cite references, you delete the unsupported text. "Common knowledge" is known as "original research" here at WP, and is shunned. You're right, by my logic there's no way it can be "proved" this "Korean" invented K-style. I have solid "proof" from over 50 kGunz players that they have never heard of this "Kraise" person, but because I am not shoving it into the article precisely the reason that I am deleting the comment about Korean creating (or even having a hand in introducing) and will continue to do so in the future- NO CITATIONS TO RELIABLE SOURCES. The only way that the comment about Kraise will be let back on is if you have a signed notice from an IJJI or MAIET official that says so. Otherwise, consider yourself invited to an edit war. I am right and you are wrong. Bahbo. Ryuugaki ( talk) 20:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Korean brought K-Style to IGUNZ, end of story. He invented K-Style on IGUNZ in a sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.107.191 ( talk) 21:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Proof? Besides, he did NOT invent it. Even if this 'Korean' made it popular in IGunz, all the techniques can be easily reproduced without prior knowledge or outside help. End discussion about this already; until you have solid proof, every attempt to readd that tidbit to the article will be aggressively removed, justified by WP:REF. Ryuugaki ( talk) 06:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Yet nobody did. I was there, I saw it happen. There is no log for GunZ, so quit trying to ask proof for every single thing. Korean brought it to IGUNZ, nobody said he invented it. It's public knowledge - if you don't know that, what kind of GunZ player are you? A Quest newb? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.107.191 ( talk) 00:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to let the editors of this article know that I have semi-protected it for 3 weeks due to the recurrent vandalism, point-of-view edits, and insertion of hoax information. If you are an anonymous or new user that is unable to edit the article, you may request an established user to make an edit by placing the request on this talk page. ¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 16:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)