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Could split (or spin off) a subarticle on the Line of Death, to avoid repeating background info in the 2 Gulf of Sidra incident articles. -- Uncle Ed 19:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Deleted entire (unsourced) section titled "Commercial Products" on patches which refer to a series of engagments 23-25 March 1986 (during Operation Attain Document). The text showed confusion about why fighter pilots would wear the patches and why an A-6E would be depicted on the patches. Discussion of these patches belongs in a separate article on the 23-25 March incidents. I did not find such an article. Can someone create one? However, those incidents are described in the USS America article. There have been, however, T-shirts, and possibly also patches, created and sold to commemorate the 1981 incident. The T-shirts said something like, "U. S. 2, Libya 0. Anytime, Khadafi, baby!" Similar T-shirts came out in 1989 after the January 1989 shootdown of 2 Libyan MiG-23s by U. S. F-14 Tomcats. The T-shirts updated the "score" to 4-0. Someone should add this info to the relevant articles if he has a source. Thanks! HolyT 17:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there any non-Navy support for claims that Libyan plane did fired a missile at all? It seems quite strange that only two fighters were assigned and only one missile launched, if Libyan really did wanted to attack. It's also noteworthy that Libyan planes didn't attacked first in all other known encounters with U.S. fighters. I don't like Libyans, but couldn't it be that U.S. pilots did attacked first, like in second Sidra incident, or by misinterpreting Libyan actions as missile launch? Is there any objective evidence of evaded missile? Did Libyan taken responsibility of attack? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.79.100.216 ( talk) 20:06, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
There seems to be no evidence at all that the Libyan plane fired at the American plane, as opposed to just a warning shot. Since the USA lied about the torpedo that started the Vietnam war, and the report that both pilots were safe was a known lie, it seems safest to assume that even the existence of the Libyan action was also a lie. At the very least this should state that the USA reported that the USA reported that the American pilot felt threatened. Also, there is a clear error. The rules of engagement allowed for self-defense, not retaliation, and the Libyan just posed no threat as they had turned back and could not fire even if they had wanted to. Overall, this is NOT an unbiased report of this issue. This opinion from a loyal American, by the way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.101.232.88 ( talk) 19:31, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I do not see the point of having a computer generated image. Why do we have it? Cheers, Je t Lover ( Report a mistake) 00:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up my F14 photo. I am trying to get into the habit of taking photos of interest to the Wikipedia community when I visit places.-- Dr.michael.benjamin 07:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
My objection to the image is that it shows an F-15, not an F-14. It is not historically accurate in any way. -- Daysleeper47 ( talk) 20:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
This was an incident not a battle or a war, the US didn't win it, it merely happened. The result of the incident was an increase in tension between the two nations, and probably had an effect on "In December 1981, the State Department invalidated U.S. passports for travel to Libya and, for purposes of safety, advised all U.S. citizens in Libya to leave."-from Libya – United States relations. Passionless -Talk 08:14, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that the audio recording and text file with the transcript is missing. I posted these several years ago on the Biddle history website. Looks like that is gone now. I would be willing to post these again if anyone knows where they can go. NESEPer ( talk) 12:49, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I uploaded it to my personal website. www.intergate.com/~msasser/fitter.html 151.190.254.108 ( talk) 13:43, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
There's no source for the idea that the Libyan claim to the Gulf of Sidra failed to meet the Law of the Sea Treaty criteria; the issue never went to the World Court to be judged so including a definitive statement like that is inappropriate. I've added "...since the Reagan administration declared..."
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As the AA-2 cannot be launched head-on, and surely NOT from 300 meters away (it would have not time to correct the trajectory, it's simply impossible) it is rated (as example, in the war machine encyclopedia, 1983), that that missile was unintentionally fired given the tension of the day. It's not that strange, in the past there were several even FRIENDLY missile firings: only the Sidewinders were fired atleast in 3 occasions, resulting in: 1)- a B-52 shot down by a F-100; 2) an RF-4C shot down by a F-14 3) a F-15 damaged by another F-15.
If the Su-22 would have really fight the F-14 head-on, they could have fired the NR-30, in a head-on range the firing range would have been over 1 km away. No need to fire an unrealiable missile, in a very short range firing in which none of the AAM available even today could work (1000 ft in a head-on attack!). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.11.0.22 ( talk) 14:35, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
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Could split (or spin off) a subarticle on the Line of Death, to avoid repeating background info in the 2 Gulf of Sidra incident articles. -- Uncle Ed 19:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Deleted entire (unsourced) section titled "Commercial Products" on patches which refer to a series of engagments 23-25 March 1986 (during Operation Attain Document). The text showed confusion about why fighter pilots would wear the patches and why an A-6E would be depicted on the patches. Discussion of these patches belongs in a separate article on the 23-25 March incidents. I did not find such an article. Can someone create one? However, those incidents are described in the USS America article. There have been, however, T-shirts, and possibly also patches, created and sold to commemorate the 1981 incident. The T-shirts said something like, "U. S. 2, Libya 0. Anytime, Khadafi, baby!" Similar T-shirts came out in 1989 after the January 1989 shootdown of 2 Libyan MiG-23s by U. S. F-14 Tomcats. The T-shirts updated the "score" to 4-0. Someone should add this info to the relevant articles if he has a source. Thanks! HolyT 17:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there any non-Navy support for claims that Libyan plane did fired a missile at all? It seems quite strange that only two fighters were assigned and only one missile launched, if Libyan really did wanted to attack. It's also noteworthy that Libyan planes didn't attacked first in all other known encounters with U.S. fighters. I don't like Libyans, but couldn't it be that U.S. pilots did attacked first, like in second Sidra incident, or by misinterpreting Libyan actions as missile launch? Is there any objective evidence of evaded missile? Did Libyan taken responsibility of attack? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.79.100.216 ( talk) 20:06, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
There seems to be no evidence at all that the Libyan plane fired at the American plane, as opposed to just a warning shot. Since the USA lied about the torpedo that started the Vietnam war, and the report that both pilots were safe was a known lie, it seems safest to assume that even the existence of the Libyan action was also a lie. At the very least this should state that the USA reported that the USA reported that the American pilot felt threatened. Also, there is a clear error. The rules of engagement allowed for self-defense, not retaliation, and the Libyan just posed no threat as they had turned back and could not fire even if they had wanted to. Overall, this is NOT an unbiased report of this issue. This opinion from a loyal American, by the way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.101.232.88 ( talk) 19:31, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I do not see the point of having a computer generated image. Why do we have it? Cheers, Je t Lover ( Report a mistake) 00:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up my F14 photo. I am trying to get into the habit of taking photos of interest to the Wikipedia community when I visit places.-- Dr.michael.benjamin 07:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
My objection to the image is that it shows an F-15, not an F-14. It is not historically accurate in any way. -- Daysleeper47 ( talk) 20:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
This was an incident not a battle or a war, the US didn't win it, it merely happened. The result of the incident was an increase in tension between the two nations, and probably had an effect on "In December 1981, the State Department invalidated U.S. passports for travel to Libya and, for purposes of safety, advised all U.S. citizens in Libya to leave."-from Libya – United States relations. Passionless -Talk 08:14, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that the audio recording and text file with the transcript is missing. I posted these several years ago on the Biddle history website. Looks like that is gone now. I would be willing to post these again if anyone knows where they can go. NESEPer ( talk) 12:49, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I uploaded it to my personal website. www.intergate.com/~msasser/fitter.html 151.190.254.108 ( talk) 13:43, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
There's no source for the idea that the Libyan claim to the Gulf of Sidra failed to meet the Law of the Sea Treaty criteria; the issue never went to the World Court to be judged so including a definitive statement like that is inappropriate. I've added "...since the Reagan administration declared..."
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As the AA-2 cannot be launched head-on, and surely NOT from 300 meters away (it would have not time to correct the trajectory, it's simply impossible) it is rated (as example, in the war machine encyclopedia, 1983), that that missile was unintentionally fired given the tension of the day. It's not that strange, in the past there were several even FRIENDLY missile firings: only the Sidewinders were fired atleast in 3 occasions, resulting in: 1)- a B-52 shot down by a F-100; 2) an RF-4C shot down by a F-14 3) a F-15 damaged by another F-15.
If the Su-22 would have really fight the F-14 head-on, they could have fired the NR-30, in a head-on range the firing range would have been over 1 km away. No need to fire an unrealiable missile, in a very short range firing in which none of the AAM available even today could work (1000 ft in a head-on attack!). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.11.0.22 ( talk) 14:35, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
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