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Capitals of Gujarat. Anyone want take a look at this page? Rd232 22:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
"The British East India Company established a factory in Surat in 1614" - I made "factory" link to Factor (agent). This is corect, right? (It was a trade facility, not a manufacturing facility?) -- Writtenonsand 20:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm guessing that there should be a noticeable military presence in Gujarat. (Cf. Pakistan.) Anybody care to add anything on this to the article? -- Writtenonsand 04:14, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Comparing this article with some of other states on Wiki surely raises doubts about the current level. There is a lot of room of improvement, with propoer formatting and by expanding the stubs with citable sources. Will appreciate your cooperation in the exercise. -- ΜιĿː talk 12:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Tobias Conradi, why the heck did you remove the Talkheader?? Do you have some objection to "Please respect Etiquette, assume good faith and be nice"?? It seemed to me that this advice might be helpful to some of the people posting on this page. -- Writtenonsand 04:41, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
it consumes space and users have to scroll more to get to the TOC. I have no objections to "...etiquette, AGF and be nice" but this isn't somthig that should be posted on 1 000 000 talk pages. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 04:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Someone has edited the page Gujarat to add an alternate name Guzarat and that it was named for people called khazars. I have lived in Gujarat for 16 years and have never heard of this; any confirmation or sources on this? DevanJedi 01:08, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
The external links include 3 "non-profit portal" links added recently; should these be here? And are they really non-profit (they have advertisements)? DevanJedi 23:23, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
this needs to be added
Guzarat is an obsolete term for the most part, but it should still be recognized because that is how most Westerners pronounce it. Khazarat , khazar is turkish for sanskrit:gujjar i add these terms only to help the article, but someone has the need to remove them. why? edit: hello, okay i will hopefully find the citations and link it here sometime. thanks. If you could provide citable references for the above on the talk page here, it can surely be considered for inclusion. Also, may I suggest if you get a user-name and sign your comments please (by using ~~~~ at the end)? -- ΜιĿː talk 09:28, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Why is the mention to the riots in demographics?? Their should a line or two about it in history and thats about it. It should not be in introduction, it should not be in demographics. It should be in HISTORY. For example, "Gujarat has suffered from sporadic communal riots in recent times with the most recent being the Godhra riots." Is that so hard? This is so juvenille. Gujarat article is never going to reach featured stage as we have two idiotic sides: One side wants to equate Gujarat and its history to the riots and the other side wants to put their heads in the sand and try to hide it as much as possible. GET OVER IT. Life goes on. Bad things happen everywhere and to everyone. -- Blacksun 21:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
There is acute shortage of drinking water and it seems that Gujarat Government is neglecting for the same. for further reading see many articles in Gujarati Language
The lead doesn't seem to have a coherent first sentence, and doesn't even mention that it's a State of India, which is silly. It was what I was specifically checking the article to find out - whether it is a single administrative region or primarily a geographical term. I suggest vital bit of information should be in the lead somewhere towards the start? TheGrappler 17:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
"The Rann of Kutchch covers a large portion of western Gujarat .... Only 500 years earlier, the area was the Arabian Sea." - Rann of Kutch says: "The area was a vast shallows of the Arabian Sea until continuing geological uplift closed off the connection with the sea, creating a vast lake that was still navigable during the time of Alexander the Great." ( Alexander the Great 356 BC - 323 BC). What are the facts here? When was this area actually part of the sea? -- Writtenonsand 21:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
The place is a sanctuary for an endangered species has this been mentioned?? Kaushal mehta 11:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
What are the different kinds of labour laws applicable in the State of Gujarat... Please provide a link if anyone knows... Please help... A S
I believe chimanbhai patel of janata dal came to power before the keshubhai patel government. the statement is false that after congress bjp came to power. before 1995 janata dal came to power. the above unsigned comment was made byKaushal mehta
Is it important to put politics on this page? One or another government is always going to rule in the state. What way it is significant for those who want to learn about Gujarat? For non-Indian reader Amar, Keshu or Chiman, they all sound a like. harish 01:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and hence such content is relevant. Where there is a state there is politics it is a part of life. Kaushal mehta 16:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you that politics is significant part of an identity of place or community but I believe present paragraph about politics nowhere captures that significance. It just mentions boring dates. If one is not from Congress or BJP, I am sure he/she wouldn't bother to look at. I would have rather more appreciated mentioning of "Nav Nirman Andolan", "removal of chiman bhai patel (way back when he first time became chief minister)", "removal of Madhav sinh solanki", "agitation against resevation in 80s" as politics, that is where exactly aspiration of people of Gujarat dramatically visible. harish 02:44, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Many South Indian languages transliterate "t" endings as "th" but that does not legitimise "Gujarath" as another spelling, given that the official spelling has always been "Gujarat" and it equates to the name in the Gujarati language. This is akin to allowing "America" to be spelt as "Amrika" just because most of the Middle East and South Asia use that term. Similarly, "Gujrat" is a misspelling. Recommend removing "Gujarath" as an alternative spelling. -- Ash 12:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Ash and recommend removing "Gujarath" as an alternative spelling since people of Gujarat themselves never pronounce or spell in that way. harish 22:13, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I know, I completely agree with you on that. For some reason, south Indians think there is an "h" in Gujarat after "t".-- Pb19
Someone please provide a source that Hindi is an official language along with Gujarati. Tuncrypt 17:19, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Article mentions that Mahatma Gandhi provided the name Harijan to Meghwal. I think mediaval age poet Narshinh Mehta first used this word. Mahatma Gandhi popularise its use. pruthvi 20:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone provide input on the deletion discussion for this thing? There seem to be some problems with verifiability which someone with local knowledge could help with Kappa 23:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
The copyleft pictures of Indian Wild Ass is needed. It is pride of Gujarat! -- Nirajrm talk ||| sign plz! 00:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
this article seems a little bit biased "The people of Gujurat are family oriented and decent people" this is a totally useless sentence for an encyclopedia, and should be deleted Kashyap3 03:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed a great deal of information placed in the article mainly by a new user which was terribly formatted and probably non-notable. Since some of it may be salvageable by more experienced editors, I encourage everyone to look at the diff of my revert here: [3]. Hornplease 04:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Modified some text. Changed the order Improved the sections Ensured a smooth flow
Just made sure that the quality of the article is improved. More stuff needs to go in, probably a few more Pics.
The deshgujrat links at the bottom seem like advert to me, but I have not removed them, just changed the text a bit.
What say guys, do we need more work before we remove the improvement tag???
Yessrao a.k.a Sushanth 00:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
It is strange that this page has no mention of Amul which is really worth more space than the gujarat riot. Kaushal mehta 11:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
What is the correct format of the infobox? It has been changed from Infobox State IN to India State infobox. DevanJedi 00:58, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Only a very small portion of the Info Box is actually displaying. For instance, there is no population shown, no ranking, none of the several items that appear when you open Edit this page. I was going to add at least population, but I see it is actually there in the formatting, just not on the final page. ???? Wlegro 15:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I am honestly not sure how well this section is done. I have reformatted it, though it was mostly fixing grammar and reducing redundancy. I am not sure if dairy is a part of agriculture or not. I would love it if someone more knowledgeable than me about this gives it a look. Also the statistics need some backing. Oh and can someone please suggest/impliment a way to reduce the number of times lifestock is said in there. Sabrewarrior ( talk) 08:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
The commonly used names of cardinal numbers in English are according to the short scale as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_numbers_in_English#Cardinal_numbers and since this is an English encyclopedia I find it necessary to use either one of those (British English or American English) for all numbers within the article. A reader not from India would find it impossible to understand lakhs/crore. I believe they should be atleast in quotes if not instead of lakh/crore Sabrewarrior ( talk) 08:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
A picture is a thousand words, if not less!
I like the welcome sign - but hey this is a billboard! And is it a coincidence that the present CM is also on it? I shall assume good faith, but it being election season here in Gujarat, what with large cut-outs of the CM on the net and off it, I wonder whether we could do without some surrogate advertising.
For starters, can we have a non-political (read "neutral") welcome sign without mention of how vibrant Gujarat is or not?
Just asking.
-- Sumov 16:37, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Vandalising information
I have recently gone over the information about my home state of Gujarat and have noticed that some fellow wikipedia user has gone through the trouble of changing all the statistics related to industrial output amongst other facts. These stats have been changed to insult the state. Can someone please restore the truthfulness of this wikipedia page so others may learn about Gujarat and obtain accurate information. As for the user who made the changes, I suggest users like you should be banned to keep the collect of information progressing forwards rather then backwards.
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I have just reverted two anonymous IP's who copy-and-pasted text from talash.com and bharatonline.com. Since both of those pages clearly state that the pages are copyright then it is copyright violation if we allow the text to remain on Wikipedia. Green Giant ( talk) 18:40, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The entire Gujarat Culture section seems to be about Hindu culture in general. Is there anything here which is specifically about Gujarat? If not then this should all be deleted. Richard75 ( talk) 22:11, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Having read this article I see no Mention of the riots in Gujarat. Are we to pretend it did not happen? That riots occoured in Gujarat is fact. That these riots were religiously motivated is fact. That Muslims were the prilary victims is fact. That Hindus were also Victims is fact. That it was caused by a Fire on a train in Godhra is fact. Now, to be NPOV we need to point out that the Train Fire was controversial, as Some people believe that the massacre on the train was caused by a Muslim Mob, angry at the occupants for destroying a 16th century Mosque, and for their attempts to build a Hindu Temple in its place - this is a view supported by the BJP, others believe that it was caused by a Fire initated on the train - This is a View suppored by the ministry of the railways. This can further be dealt with in it's own article, but most certainly needs a mention in this. -- Irishpunktom\ talk
Check out wiki page 2002 Gujarat Violence. All the cause and actions leading to that event and consequences post that event can be discussed there.
It should still be mentioned here. -- Irishpunktom\ talk
The Gujarat page just like the pages on Ireland, England or United States or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia describes Gujarat State. Any specific event should be offlined. Adding here will be tantamount to saying that OBL was a saudi and putting it in the Saudi page or General Niazi was the butcher and murderer of several thousands of people in now what is present day Bangladesh and put it in the Pakistan page or take about the effects of imperialism in the Ireland or England page.
The point is that it does not belong here. -- User:AllieMustafaKhan
Riots statements are absoloutely partial one-sided attempts of psuedo-secularists clandestine mafias who are out to tarnish image of Gujarat. There have been public more violent riots in USA (black white even civil wars that too in recent times) france etc to name few.Do these wiki people mention it there on the frong page? No
Why in Gujarat that too trying to give a totally unjust ...
A train got fire (Do these westeners -or few shameful illusioned INDIANS who are always licking whites ... out of greed and inferiority complex- realize their double standards?) from where train got fire? Totally biased as if the boggy of HINDU people got ablazed on its own that too that train which was carrying HINDU PILGRIMAGE!
The 9/11 attack was called terrorist (but in INDIA a riot). USA government handpicked muslims and queried them so much that almost 90% arabians(innocent) choose or were forced to leave USA and thousands killed in iraq afghanisthan under pretension of war on terror
Surely because in INDIA CONGRESS governments failed to take action to protect HINDUS and rather encouraged the fundamentalist MUSLIMS for their vote banks.
Hindus or BJP have had no choice but to retort to self-defense to take care that such incidences don't happen in future
The fact is CONGRESS encouraged and protected fundamentalist MUSLIMS(who have got nothing to do with ISLAM or MUSLIMS or religion) - better named as criminal mercenaries - burned the train to gain seats in election, to tarnish image of GUJARAT and GUJARATIS - which statistically and living wise is very peaceful state as proven by thousands of migrants coming here - and then BJP government.
It was a sabotage of congress
Unfortunately CONGRESS FORGOT that Gujaratis are smart :-)
They could see behind the face of draculian congress and so-called stupid brainwashed INDIANS who shout corruption citing example of USA while realizing least that corruption is made legal in USA by way of lobbying OR that goonship is legal in USA as proved by its inhuman attack on IRAQ to capture OIL
The fact is west and westeners are far below INDIANs when it comes to spirituality,non-violence,secularism,morality etc and this troubles these people and hence they take every opportunity to tarnish name of INDIA and INDIANS
AND a few brainwashed moron hypocrite INDIANS take part in this game / show shouting hypocrisy realizing least that their very own shouting hypocrisy is classic example of pretensions and hypocrisy
So they kicked CONGRESS OUT
Long live the real secularian Gujaratis
The gujarat where muslims,parsi,jews,hindus,sikhs all have found shelter and solace and lived being non-violent even in their food by eating vegetarian
It is a shame they way wiki and others try to tranish this indirectly blamming HINDUS out of jealousy and brainwashing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.160.42 ( talk) 20:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I had edited first paragraph of demographics to read following but was removed. I believe that entire section need to be re-written since there are lots of discrepancies. Only higher caste are vegetarian not all Gujaratis. Also, I never heard of Jats in Gujarat.
Here is the first para that I had edited. Its official and primary language is Gujarati. The religion of the majority of its residents is Hinduism, in addition to significant percentages following Islam, Jainism, Zoroastrianism and Christianity. Most of the higher caste Gujarati are strict vegetarians. The interaction of higher caste who were the only one to interact with people outside Gujarat till few decades ago have created a perception that all Gujaratis are vegeterian while in reality more than 70% of the Hindu Gujarati regularly eat meat and fish. Amongst Hindus the deity of Krishna is famously worshipped in His form of Shrinathji throughout Gujarat. Gujarat is birthplace of Ghandhiji. Gujarat is also the birthplace of the Swaminarayan sect of Hinduism. Beside Swaminarayan movement, which is now split into several groups, Swadhyay, Gayatri Parivar, Asharam movements and number of other movements are equally popular among Hindu Gujaratis. Dcpatel 14:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC) Sorry, but just because you have not heard of Jats in Gujarat doesn't mean there aren't any. Check the page on the Jat people. For what it is worth, my ancestors are from Khambhat and I had my DNA tested. I have a R1a haplogroup, which is shared by Jats. For some reason, the use of that word has disappeared from modern Gujarat, whereas it is very prominent in Indian and Pakistani Punjab. We seem to be genetic Jats but we use other caste and sub-caste labels. Ash ( talk) 10:25, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The ethnography of the people of Gujarat needs attention. At the very least, it needs to be cleaned up and expanded. Also, jats in Gujarat? Sounds fishy... -- Sakredfire 00:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, it was also news to me, but I had my DNA tested by the National Geographic's Genographic Project and I checked the Jat People page. The latter has several references to Gujarat on the page and mentions the R1a haplogroup which I belong to - ancestors from Khambhat in Kheda district. That article has many citations in general and should have some credibility, so please leave Jats on the Gujarat page if you are only relying on personal or anecdotal opinion.
The ethnography should not contain "Muslims" as an ethnic group. -- Ash ( talk) 11:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
"People from outside" sounds not very correct. The use of term "Outside" means the "inside" has to be defined. and timelines too. Like medieval times or present day gujarat? Since Gujarat is an entity formed in 1960, "inside" is not very clear. By the same definition, taking the case of USA, a major portion of the people there (african americans and whites) and in India, all the people who came during the partition will be "outsiders" then. Can somebody with more research knowledge correct it? Looks like propaganda Nisrec ( talk) 14:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC) nisrec
By Anand Kukadia. Is that a joke or is Gujurati an invented language?-- RegentsPark ( talk) 00:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Its a article written without much homework with many of the things missing. How can writer miss the dandia and navratri from gujarat culture section. The writer has completely failed in describing gujarat culture. Even the section economy of gujarat is outdated. The transport service section also requires change like addition of ports of gujarat. Plz do the needfull change immediately. —Preceding
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Need Gujarati script for vagar at the Chaunk article. Badagnani ( talk) 03:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
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The recent time population surveys (in 2009) in India has shown that the largest city in Gujarat is Surat and not Ahemadabad. The wiki article for the list of cities worldwide by population also shows that Surat is larger than Ahemadabad in terms of population. So it would be feasible to change the Largest city to Surat and mention it as it does. This is the Surat Municipal Corporation's Report which also shows the same [1]. While the World-Gazetteer shows Ahemadabad larger than Surat [2]. Please suggest your opinion on this. - Despardes7 ( talk) 20:18, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I think most of the sections in the gujarat page are kind of promotion of some company instead showing any valuable content. Like
shows full instead it should shows 5-6 lines with header history of gujarat
shows location detail which should be/already noted in introduction better we improve it with hill/river/climate/temprature/ranges/beach/desert/sea
seems ok but can be improved with 1 table of religion & %age of them also we can add sex ratio/ethnic/language/dialect/literacy/birth-death rate
lets list them like its done in India#Administrative_divisions
Instead making points lets make descriptive like "among highest exporter state of india" or "ranks 2nd in export" like.. next 2 subsection ok but should be taken in economy of gujarat as seperate article & summarize here in short.
lets make descriptive & create page of "list of university" & collages (lets not forget other states have 100 university)
this topic is well described.
this section is good but its too long we can seperate page called "Festivals of gujarat" & list there.
I have started some changes like creating horizontal template & replacing textual facts to descriptive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amitdotchauhan ( talk • contribs) 12:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
economy section doesn't cite any reference to claims. need to add some quality references otherwise it will be removed. KuwarOnline ( talk) 11:29, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
What is this "Shri Ram Chandra" and why do the Gujarati's or their supposed predecessors, the "Gujjars," connect themselves with it? The average reader, or a Gujarati for that matter, would not know what it meant. Clearly, this is bogus information! No serious reader would take this seriously; it makes the article look like a joke! Gregjackson112 ( talk) 20:32, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
This article pertains to Gujarati's not Gurjars, and there is already a separate article page for Gujjars. Also, when you reverted my edit (and all others after mine) you reverted corrections to grammar; you need to fix that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregjackson112 ( talk • contribs) 09:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
This section is written like an ad for the ruling government. I am removing this part. Muthuppattar ( talk) 13:16, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Hey guys I have transferred Vapi from major city section to Economy section. Please comment constructively. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vyom25 ( talk • contribs) 05:21, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
In this article, there claims to be harmony between hindus and muslims in gujarat. that is bullshit. There is no mention of the gujarat genocide, or of Modi's pogroms. This article definetly needs to add facts about gujarat, not just opinions of some Modi supporters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.80.237.20 ( talk • contribs) 04:35, 31 Jan 2007 (UTC)
Genocide is a wrong word friend they were riots...bloody riots....... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vyom25 ( talk • contribs) 05:24, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
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Graeme374 ( talk) 00:10, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Surat is by no means a clean city. It is where the Plague breakout of India (in the early 90s) started from. Additionally, I have been to Surat. It is rotten: there is garbage all over the place.
I would like to know the source of the voting that the author/editor claims.
Alren 15:08, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Master purav ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:12, 2 January 2012 (UTC).
The section on Vallabhbhai Patel, which was inappropriately included under "Subdivisions", has been transferred to Politics of Gujarat. Skinsmoke ( talk) 03:20, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
such a beautiful state — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.192.100.11 ( talk) 14:26, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Taken a quick look, the whole article has been written in a fan point of view. Please remember that Wikipedia is not a fan site. Information should fulfill encyclopedia condition. Lots of reference provided are either dead or unreliable. Some fans are maintaining this article which is good but please develop this page by keeping neutrality in mind. If you want to know how Indian geography articles are written please visit Uttar Pradesh, West Bengal, Kolkata etc. Also, please Don't remove Maintenance tag until the issues get solve. Feel free to ask me if you have any doubt on my talk page. Thank You -- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 16:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
After defeat of Mughals by Marathas, large part of Gujrat was a part of Maratha empire. Confederated Maratha dynasties such as Gaikwads of Baroda were influential. This information needs to be added in the history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.184.29.57 ( talk) 07:58, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
New section about British royals having gujrati ancestor would be more suited to the notable gujrati people page rather than this page about the state itself.Removed to notable gujrati people page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.22.129.213 ( talk) 21:10, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi
In this article there is not mentioned any thing about Amul dairy Anand /NDDB, Which is known pioneer for Co-operative dairy movement starting point in India. Also it is head office for dairy development NDDB is also located in ANAND. Also VallabVidya Nagar, is well know for education and campus for Sardar Patel Univercity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.176.38.187 ( talk) 04:26, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
[11] Last time I checked, immigrants are people too... -- NeilN talk to me 22:43, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Punjabi, Marwari, Sindhi, and Marathi are spoken by a small number of migrants (that have come from other states/regions of India/South Asia) in Gujarat. The average or the majority of people in Gujarat cannot communicate in said languages. Stating it as such is akin to stating that ...Mandrin is a language spoken in America. ShamusHarper ( talk) 22:47, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Sources for what? Can you clarify. Also, why stop at Marwari, Punjabi, Sindhi, and Marathi? Why not Tamil, Bengali and Bhojpuri too? You can find migrants from all those communities in Gujarat. ShamusHarper ( talk) 22:58, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Well yeah, because it is pretty much the same. Or you can replace Mandrin with French or German for instance, and that analogy will still be valid. I have located the census data for Marwari speakers in Gujarat State, they comprise about 206895 in a population of some 50 Million, which is less than 0.4% Source. ShamusHarper ( talk) 00:46, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
I have located language stats for Marathi, Sindhi, Punjabi, etc.. but I'm having trouble understanding the data: here. Taken from here ShamusHarper ( talk) 01:01, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
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Want to add the name of Shrimad Rajchandra ,a revered Jain monk and spiritual guru of Mahatma Gandhi. Jainallotrope ( talk) 00:08, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
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Religion section includes images of Gurudwara, Jama masjid, and Jews Synagogue but lacks images of temples with higher number of pilgrims across India or older history like Somnath temple, Ambaji temple, Dwarika temple etc. We should consider including images in that order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HRISHIKESH THULA ( talk • contribs) 14:59, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph, change " fifth-largest state economy in India with ₹13.14 lakh crore (US$180 billion)" to "third-largest state economy in India with ₹17.01 lakh crore (US$224 billion)". The current data is from 2017-2018 and is no longer accurate. 71.239.127.199 ( talk) 00:44, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
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Please update the GDP data in the infobox and in the lead section. Source [3] GDP Per Capita :197,446 and Main GDP : 15.01 Lakh Crore.-- 103.218.236.50 ( talk) 08:54, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
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This article seems more of a collection of lots of pictures less encyclopedia. I would love to improve the article.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 08:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Modern-day Gujarat is derived from Gurjaratra that is the land protected or ruled by the Gurjars, or from Gurjar-rashtra, the Gujjar nation.[4][5][6] The origins of the Gujjars are uncertain. The Gujjar clan appeared in northern India about the time of the Huna invasions of northern India. Some scholars, such as V. A. Smith, believed that the Gujjars were foreign immigrants, possibly a branch of Hephthalites ("White Huns"), however others, such as Baijnath puri, stated them as Indian. The name of the tribe was Sanskritized to "Gurjara" .[7]The Gurjars/Gujjars believe to have descended from Suryavanshi Kshatriyas (Sun Dynasty).[8]Historically, the Gurjars were Sun-worshipers and their copper-plate grants and seals also bear an emblem of the Sun.[9]
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are bhai Gujaratis ko ye bhi nhi pata ki gurjar koi jati hai 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thakurwaadi ( talk) 10:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
even Gujarat ma gurjar jati ka koi namu nisan nhi hai na to koi itihashik place hai jo gurjaro ne banaya ho Thakurwaadi ( talk) 10:03, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Removed the following comment :
"Modi himself, explained the reasons behind the riots as an issue of "action and reaction"."
Since the above is unconfirmed and no reliable sources/references point to that statement.
Reverted the edits made by "Alimustafakhan". Please stick to NPOV. Terms like "Ethnic Cleansing" is a very very loaded word and further inflammatory. Also please update the discussion pages with your updates. Otherwise it looks like a particular POV is being pushed.
Regarding the Godhra train firebombing episode, the Justice Banerjee commission was a single person commission which was setup by the rail ministry headed by Mr. Laloo Prasad Yadav just prior to Bihar election where he rules by proxy via his wife Ms. Rabri Devi. The objectivity of the Justice Banerjee commission itself was in question from the outset.
Abhijna 22:08, 12 Apr 2005
Dear Mr. AliMustafaKhan,
1. You accuse me of accusing "Muslims as barbarians"!
First I refute it. I have never made such an accusation and the above construct is your own making!!
2. You say that "How can "Abhijna" say that Justice Banerjee commission is biased?"
If you follow the history of the commission, you would know that. Anyway, it was a commission instituted by Railway ministry. The official commission is of Justice Nanavati and you can quote from that.
3. BBC's website there is a reportof how Gujarat Intelligencr Chief witness against Narendra Modi and his Government.
You cannot be both the judge and the jury. The officer was giving an interview, and was not speaking under oath in a court of law. That interview cannot constitute as the sole official version of the events. Particulary when the person against whom he is speaking has not got a chance to present his case.
4. Ali, Regarding your own NPOV :
Here are some of the comments made on your user page by another wikipedian :
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Your recent bout of edits
Ali, I rephrased your edit to List of founders of major religions and reversed your edits to Islam. I will also be looking over the many other Islam and Pakistan related edits you made recently.
It seems to me that most of your edits have moved the articles towards a more overt Muslim piety and a Pakistani-patriotic view of events -- at least in the viewpoint of those of us who are neither Muslim nor Pakistani. While it is not my intention to remove those viewpoints from Wikipedia -- they should be represented -- it is not NPOV (neutral point of view) to present them as if they were objective truth. Usually we try to step back and say "X believes this and Y believes that", or some such neutral presentation.
It would also be a good idea to be much more circumspect in editing articles like Islam that have a long and controversial edit history. They are the result of years of debate and compromise. I know the directions say "be bold", but there's bold and there's foolhardy <g>. What seems to work best, in dealing with controversial articles with many editors, is to make changes gradually, accompanying each change with a notice on the talk page explaining why you made the edit you did. If you're proposing large changes, it seems to work to post the proposed revision on your talk page and then invite the editorial community involved with that article to visit and comment.
I should perhaps add that I've learned all this the hard way, by treading on various toes and being criticized for my clumsiness. So I'm NOT saying that you're a bad editor or that you shouldn't keep contributing -- I'm just cautioning you to avoid my dumb mistakes. Zora 17:02, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC) [edit]
Jinnah
A very good addition you made to Mohammad Ali Jinnah about Jinnah's secular credentials. I have expanded it a bit. What do you think?—iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 01:14, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC) Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alimustafakhan"
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Honestly your other contributions were found biased and foolhardy in other articles. Particularly, Ali, note that your own edits in the article of Islam was reverted since it was found "more overt peity and pakistan-patriotic view of events" by
Zora.
The fact is that 59 Hindu Piligrims including 14 children were burnt alive. What followed uprooted and killed more innocent people, Muslims and Hindus alike. The atmosphere was further vitiated by Media. And crimes were committed against Humans by Humans in the name of religion.
I have removed your edits. I suggest that you carry out your discussion in the 2002 Gujarat Violence article.
Modified the sentence regarding arts/sciences and entrepreunerial spirit. Added link to Vikram Sarabhai.
Mr. AliMustafaKhan,
If you have proof/evidence of whatever you have said above then do please contact Justice Nanavati and submit your evidence there, hiding evidence is crime. Also note that spreading rumours without evidence is very wrong. I do hope that atleast you will follow the right path and turn over the evidence you have to the authorities.
And in the above comments of yours you also mention that certain Scheduled Tribes people helped lots of Muslims by risking their own lives... am I suspecting another insuniation based on Caste? How do you know that each and every member who helped belonged to only a Scheduled caste or a Scheduled Tribe and not to anyother caste? Did you forget the Backward castes?
And why did you remove the attack on Akshardham? Any particular reason?
Given your POV, I guess you are better off contributing to other articles on Wikipedia like articles on Taliban or Pakistan.
So today my best thing is that I am going to be a girl well 147.10.208.161 ( talk) 03:45, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
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It's not gujjar bhomi or something like that gu meaning darkness and jara is Rakshsi which belongs to bengal so stop doing convertion with the name. Bhagruti ( talk) 10:09, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
And Patel and Suthar know as Gajjar not gujjar it's to much over. Bhagruti ( talk) 10:10, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
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please change ((Maghrebi)) to ((Maghrebis|Maghrebi)) 98.239.227.65 ( talk) 12:56, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Gujarati: ગુજરાત 103.251.217.93 ( talk) 18:28, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
From the archived page that's linked, between 2014-2019 Gujarat's HDI went from 0.639 to 0.672. Which would be considered an increase. Moreover, on the website, figures for 2014 and 2019 are now revised to 0.642 and 0.650 respectively. which is a much slower increase but certainly not a decline. PAV1790 ( talk) 20:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
There are no scales on the map i.e how far is it from Ahmedabad to Bharuch
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In this article there is not mentioned any thing about Amul dairy Anand /NDDB, Which is known pioneer for Co-operative dairy movement starting point in India. Also it is head office for dairy development NDDB is also located in ANAND. Also VallabVidya Nagar, is well know for education and campus for Sardar Patel Univercity.
Nirajsanu528 ( talk) 05:24, 28 October 2023 (UTC)== Coastal Length Mentioned here is wrong ==
Coastal Length Mentioned here is 1600 km but the real length is 1214 km according to PIB.
Source :- https://pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetailm.aspx?PRID=1802384#:~:text=Gujarat%20has%20a%20coastal%20length,based%20ecosystems%20and%20development%20opportunities. Nirajsanu528 ( talk) 07:09, 27 October 2023 (UTC) Nirajsanu528 ( talk) 05:24, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Nirajsanu528
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I would like to take this article to GA level. Is someone working in this already? 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 16:27, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
Some of the statements in the Economy section have incomplete references or don't mention the time period for which it is applicable. Oafie123 ( talk) 10:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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Capitals of Gujarat. Anyone want take a look at this page? Rd232 22:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
"The British East India Company established a factory in Surat in 1614" - I made "factory" link to Factor (agent). This is corect, right? (It was a trade facility, not a manufacturing facility?) -- Writtenonsand 20:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm guessing that there should be a noticeable military presence in Gujarat. (Cf. Pakistan.) Anybody care to add anything on this to the article? -- Writtenonsand 04:14, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Comparing this article with some of other states on Wiki surely raises doubts about the current level. There is a lot of room of improvement, with propoer formatting and by expanding the stubs with citable sources. Will appreciate your cooperation in the exercise. -- ΜιĿː talk 12:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Tobias Conradi, why the heck did you remove the Talkheader?? Do you have some objection to "Please respect Etiquette, assume good faith and be nice"?? It seemed to me that this advice might be helpful to some of the people posting on this page. -- Writtenonsand 04:41, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
it consumes space and users have to scroll more to get to the TOC. I have no objections to "...etiquette, AGF and be nice" but this isn't somthig that should be posted on 1 000 000 talk pages. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 04:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Someone has edited the page Gujarat to add an alternate name Guzarat and that it was named for people called khazars. I have lived in Gujarat for 16 years and have never heard of this; any confirmation or sources on this? DevanJedi 01:08, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
The external links include 3 "non-profit portal" links added recently; should these be here? And are they really non-profit (they have advertisements)? DevanJedi 23:23, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
this needs to be added
Guzarat is an obsolete term for the most part, but it should still be recognized because that is how most Westerners pronounce it. Khazarat , khazar is turkish for sanskrit:gujjar i add these terms only to help the article, but someone has the need to remove them. why? edit: hello, okay i will hopefully find the citations and link it here sometime. thanks. If you could provide citable references for the above on the talk page here, it can surely be considered for inclusion. Also, may I suggest if you get a user-name and sign your comments please (by using ~~~~ at the end)? -- ΜιĿː talk 09:28, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Why is the mention to the riots in demographics?? Their should a line or two about it in history and thats about it. It should not be in introduction, it should not be in demographics. It should be in HISTORY. For example, "Gujarat has suffered from sporadic communal riots in recent times with the most recent being the Godhra riots." Is that so hard? This is so juvenille. Gujarat article is never going to reach featured stage as we have two idiotic sides: One side wants to equate Gujarat and its history to the riots and the other side wants to put their heads in the sand and try to hide it as much as possible. GET OVER IT. Life goes on. Bad things happen everywhere and to everyone. -- Blacksun 21:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
There is acute shortage of drinking water and it seems that Gujarat Government is neglecting for the same. for further reading see many articles in Gujarati Language
The lead doesn't seem to have a coherent first sentence, and doesn't even mention that it's a State of India, which is silly. It was what I was specifically checking the article to find out - whether it is a single administrative region or primarily a geographical term. I suggest vital bit of information should be in the lead somewhere towards the start? TheGrappler 17:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
"The Rann of Kutchch covers a large portion of western Gujarat .... Only 500 years earlier, the area was the Arabian Sea." - Rann of Kutch says: "The area was a vast shallows of the Arabian Sea until continuing geological uplift closed off the connection with the sea, creating a vast lake that was still navigable during the time of Alexander the Great." ( Alexander the Great 356 BC - 323 BC). What are the facts here? When was this area actually part of the sea? -- Writtenonsand 21:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
The place is a sanctuary for an endangered species has this been mentioned?? Kaushal mehta 11:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
What are the different kinds of labour laws applicable in the State of Gujarat... Please provide a link if anyone knows... Please help... A S
I believe chimanbhai patel of janata dal came to power before the keshubhai patel government. the statement is false that after congress bjp came to power. before 1995 janata dal came to power. the above unsigned comment was made byKaushal mehta
Is it important to put politics on this page? One or another government is always going to rule in the state. What way it is significant for those who want to learn about Gujarat? For non-Indian reader Amar, Keshu or Chiman, they all sound a like. harish 01:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and hence such content is relevant. Where there is a state there is politics it is a part of life. Kaushal mehta 16:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you that politics is significant part of an identity of place or community but I believe present paragraph about politics nowhere captures that significance. It just mentions boring dates. If one is not from Congress or BJP, I am sure he/she wouldn't bother to look at. I would have rather more appreciated mentioning of "Nav Nirman Andolan", "removal of chiman bhai patel (way back when he first time became chief minister)", "removal of Madhav sinh solanki", "agitation against resevation in 80s" as politics, that is where exactly aspiration of people of Gujarat dramatically visible. harish 02:44, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Many South Indian languages transliterate "t" endings as "th" but that does not legitimise "Gujarath" as another spelling, given that the official spelling has always been "Gujarat" and it equates to the name in the Gujarati language. This is akin to allowing "America" to be spelt as "Amrika" just because most of the Middle East and South Asia use that term. Similarly, "Gujrat" is a misspelling. Recommend removing "Gujarath" as an alternative spelling. -- Ash 12:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Ash and recommend removing "Gujarath" as an alternative spelling since people of Gujarat themselves never pronounce or spell in that way. harish 22:13, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I know, I completely agree with you on that. For some reason, south Indians think there is an "h" in Gujarat after "t".-- Pb19
Someone please provide a source that Hindi is an official language along with Gujarati. Tuncrypt 17:19, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Article mentions that Mahatma Gandhi provided the name Harijan to Meghwal. I think mediaval age poet Narshinh Mehta first used this word. Mahatma Gandhi popularise its use. pruthvi 20:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone provide input on the deletion discussion for this thing? There seem to be some problems with verifiability which someone with local knowledge could help with Kappa 23:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
The copyleft pictures of Indian Wild Ass is needed. It is pride of Gujarat! -- Nirajrm talk ||| sign plz! 00:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
this article seems a little bit biased "The people of Gujurat are family oriented and decent people" this is a totally useless sentence for an encyclopedia, and should be deleted Kashyap3 03:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed a great deal of information placed in the article mainly by a new user which was terribly formatted and probably non-notable. Since some of it may be salvageable by more experienced editors, I encourage everyone to look at the diff of my revert here: [3]. Hornplease 04:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Modified some text. Changed the order Improved the sections Ensured a smooth flow
Just made sure that the quality of the article is improved. More stuff needs to go in, probably a few more Pics.
The deshgujrat links at the bottom seem like advert to me, but I have not removed them, just changed the text a bit.
What say guys, do we need more work before we remove the improvement tag???
Yessrao a.k.a Sushanth 00:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
It is strange that this page has no mention of Amul which is really worth more space than the gujarat riot. Kaushal mehta 11:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
What is the correct format of the infobox? It has been changed from Infobox State IN to India State infobox. DevanJedi 00:58, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Only a very small portion of the Info Box is actually displaying. For instance, there is no population shown, no ranking, none of the several items that appear when you open Edit this page. I was going to add at least population, but I see it is actually there in the formatting, just not on the final page. ???? Wlegro 15:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I am honestly not sure how well this section is done. I have reformatted it, though it was mostly fixing grammar and reducing redundancy. I am not sure if dairy is a part of agriculture or not. I would love it if someone more knowledgeable than me about this gives it a look. Also the statistics need some backing. Oh and can someone please suggest/impliment a way to reduce the number of times lifestock is said in there. Sabrewarrior ( talk) 08:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
The commonly used names of cardinal numbers in English are according to the short scale as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_numbers_in_English#Cardinal_numbers and since this is an English encyclopedia I find it necessary to use either one of those (British English or American English) for all numbers within the article. A reader not from India would find it impossible to understand lakhs/crore. I believe they should be atleast in quotes if not instead of lakh/crore Sabrewarrior ( talk) 08:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
A picture is a thousand words, if not less!
I like the welcome sign - but hey this is a billboard! And is it a coincidence that the present CM is also on it? I shall assume good faith, but it being election season here in Gujarat, what with large cut-outs of the CM on the net and off it, I wonder whether we could do without some surrogate advertising.
For starters, can we have a non-political (read "neutral") welcome sign without mention of how vibrant Gujarat is or not?
Just asking.
-- Sumov 16:37, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Vandalising information
I have recently gone over the information about my home state of Gujarat and have noticed that some fellow wikipedia user has gone through the trouble of changing all the statistics related to industrial output amongst other facts. These stats have been changed to insult the state. Can someone please restore the truthfulness of this wikipedia page so others may learn about Gujarat and obtain accurate information. As for the user who made the changes, I suggest users like you should be banned to keep the collect of information progressing forwards rather then backwards.
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I have just reverted two anonymous IP's who copy-and-pasted text from talash.com and bharatonline.com. Since both of those pages clearly state that the pages are copyright then it is copyright violation if we allow the text to remain on Wikipedia. Green Giant ( talk) 18:40, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The entire Gujarat Culture section seems to be about Hindu culture in general. Is there anything here which is specifically about Gujarat? If not then this should all be deleted. Richard75 ( talk) 22:11, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Having read this article I see no Mention of the riots in Gujarat. Are we to pretend it did not happen? That riots occoured in Gujarat is fact. That these riots were religiously motivated is fact. That Muslims were the prilary victims is fact. That Hindus were also Victims is fact. That it was caused by a Fire on a train in Godhra is fact. Now, to be NPOV we need to point out that the Train Fire was controversial, as Some people believe that the massacre on the train was caused by a Muslim Mob, angry at the occupants for destroying a 16th century Mosque, and for their attempts to build a Hindu Temple in its place - this is a view supported by the BJP, others believe that it was caused by a Fire initated on the train - This is a View suppored by the ministry of the railways. This can further be dealt with in it's own article, but most certainly needs a mention in this. -- Irishpunktom\ talk
Check out wiki page 2002 Gujarat Violence. All the cause and actions leading to that event and consequences post that event can be discussed there.
It should still be mentioned here. -- Irishpunktom\ talk
The Gujarat page just like the pages on Ireland, England or United States or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia describes Gujarat State. Any specific event should be offlined. Adding here will be tantamount to saying that OBL was a saudi and putting it in the Saudi page or General Niazi was the butcher and murderer of several thousands of people in now what is present day Bangladesh and put it in the Pakistan page or take about the effects of imperialism in the Ireland or England page.
The point is that it does not belong here. -- User:AllieMustafaKhan
Riots statements are absoloutely partial one-sided attempts of psuedo-secularists clandestine mafias who are out to tarnish image of Gujarat. There have been public more violent riots in USA (black white even civil wars that too in recent times) france etc to name few.Do these wiki people mention it there on the frong page? No
Why in Gujarat that too trying to give a totally unjust ...
A train got fire (Do these westeners -or few shameful illusioned INDIANS who are always licking whites ... out of greed and inferiority complex- realize their double standards?) from where train got fire? Totally biased as if the boggy of HINDU people got ablazed on its own that too that train which was carrying HINDU PILGRIMAGE!
The 9/11 attack was called terrorist (but in INDIA a riot). USA government handpicked muslims and queried them so much that almost 90% arabians(innocent) choose or were forced to leave USA and thousands killed in iraq afghanisthan under pretension of war on terror
Surely because in INDIA CONGRESS governments failed to take action to protect HINDUS and rather encouraged the fundamentalist MUSLIMS for their vote banks.
Hindus or BJP have had no choice but to retort to self-defense to take care that such incidences don't happen in future
The fact is CONGRESS encouraged and protected fundamentalist MUSLIMS(who have got nothing to do with ISLAM or MUSLIMS or religion) - better named as criminal mercenaries - burned the train to gain seats in election, to tarnish image of GUJARAT and GUJARATIS - which statistically and living wise is very peaceful state as proven by thousands of migrants coming here - and then BJP government.
It was a sabotage of congress
Unfortunately CONGRESS FORGOT that Gujaratis are smart :-)
They could see behind the face of draculian congress and so-called stupid brainwashed INDIANS who shout corruption citing example of USA while realizing least that corruption is made legal in USA by way of lobbying OR that goonship is legal in USA as proved by its inhuman attack on IRAQ to capture OIL
The fact is west and westeners are far below INDIANs when it comes to spirituality,non-violence,secularism,morality etc and this troubles these people and hence they take every opportunity to tarnish name of INDIA and INDIANS
AND a few brainwashed moron hypocrite INDIANS take part in this game / show shouting hypocrisy realizing least that their very own shouting hypocrisy is classic example of pretensions and hypocrisy
So they kicked CONGRESS OUT
Long live the real secularian Gujaratis
The gujarat where muslims,parsi,jews,hindus,sikhs all have found shelter and solace and lived being non-violent even in their food by eating vegetarian
It is a shame they way wiki and others try to tranish this indirectly blamming HINDUS out of jealousy and brainwashing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.160.42 ( talk) 20:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I had edited first paragraph of demographics to read following but was removed. I believe that entire section need to be re-written since there are lots of discrepancies. Only higher caste are vegetarian not all Gujaratis. Also, I never heard of Jats in Gujarat.
Here is the first para that I had edited. Its official and primary language is Gujarati. The religion of the majority of its residents is Hinduism, in addition to significant percentages following Islam, Jainism, Zoroastrianism and Christianity. Most of the higher caste Gujarati are strict vegetarians. The interaction of higher caste who were the only one to interact with people outside Gujarat till few decades ago have created a perception that all Gujaratis are vegeterian while in reality more than 70% of the Hindu Gujarati regularly eat meat and fish. Amongst Hindus the deity of Krishna is famously worshipped in His form of Shrinathji throughout Gujarat. Gujarat is birthplace of Ghandhiji. Gujarat is also the birthplace of the Swaminarayan sect of Hinduism. Beside Swaminarayan movement, which is now split into several groups, Swadhyay, Gayatri Parivar, Asharam movements and number of other movements are equally popular among Hindu Gujaratis. Dcpatel 14:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC) Sorry, but just because you have not heard of Jats in Gujarat doesn't mean there aren't any. Check the page on the Jat people. For what it is worth, my ancestors are from Khambhat and I had my DNA tested. I have a R1a haplogroup, which is shared by Jats. For some reason, the use of that word has disappeared from modern Gujarat, whereas it is very prominent in Indian and Pakistani Punjab. We seem to be genetic Jats but we use other caste and sub-caste labels. Ash ( talk) 10:25, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The ethnography of the people of Gujarat needs attention. At the very least, it needs to be cleaned up and expanded. Also, jats in Gujarat? Sounds fishy... -- Sakredfire 00:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, it was also news to me, but I had my DNA tested by the National Geographic's Genographic Project and I checked the Jat People page. The latter has several references to Gujarat on the page and mentions the R1a haplogroup which I belong to - ancestors from Khambhat in Kheda district. That article has many citations in general and should have some credibility, so please leave Jats on the Gujarat page if you are only relying on personal or anecdotal opinion.
The ethnography should not contain "Muslims" as an ethnic group. -- Ash ( talk) 11:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
"People from outside" sounds not very correct. The use of term "Outside" means the "inside" has to be defined. and timelines too. Like medieval times or present day gujarat? Since Gujarat is an entity formed in 1960, "inside" is not very clear. By the same definition, taking the case of USA, a major portion of the people there (african americans and whites) and in India, all the people who came during the partition will be "outsiders" then. Can somebody with more research knowledge correct it? Looks like propaganda Nisrec ( talk) 14:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC) nisrec
By Anand Kukadia. Is that a joke or is Gujurati an invented language?-- RegentsPark ( talk) 00:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Its a article written without much homework with many of the things missing. How can writer miss the dandia and navratri from gujarat culture section. The writer has completely failed in describing gujarat culture. Even the section economy of gujarat is outdated. The transport service section also requires change like addition of ports of gujarat. Plz do the needfull change immediately. —Preceding
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The recent time population surveys (in 2009) in India has shown that the largest city in Gujarat is Surat and not Ahemadabad. The wiki article for the list of cities worldwide by population also shows that Surat is larger than Ahemadabad in terms of population. So it would be feasible to change the Largest city to Surat and mention it as it does. This is the Surat Municipal Corporation's Report which also shows the same [1]. While the World-Gazetteer shows Ahemadabad larger than Surat [2]. Please suggest your opinion on this. - Despardes7 ( talk) 20:18, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I think most of the sections in the gujarat page are kind of promotion of some company instead showing any valuable content. Like
shows full instead it should shows 5-6 lines with header history of gujarat
shows location detail which should be/already noted in introduction better we improve it with hill/river/climate/temprature/ranges/beach/desert/sea
seems ok but can be improved with 1 table of religion & %age of them also we can add sex ratio/ethnic/language/dialect/literacy/birth-death rate
lets list them like its done in India#Administrative_divisions
Instead making points lets make descriptive like "among highest exporter state of india" or "ranks 2nd in export" like.. next 2 subsection ok but should be taken in economy of gujarat as seperate article & summarize here in short.
lets make descriptive & create page of "list of university" & collages (lets not forget other states have 100 university)
this topic is well described.
this section is good but its too long we can seperate page called "Festivals of gujarat" & list there.
I have started some changes like creating horizontal template & replacing textual facts to descriptive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amitdotchauhan ( talk • contribs) 12:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
economy section doesn't cite any reference to claims. need to add some quality references otherwise it will be removed. KuwarOnline ( talk) 11:29, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
What is this "Shri Ram Chandra" and why do the Gujarati's or their supposed predecessors, the "Gujjars," connect themselves with it? The average reader, or a Gujarati for that matter, would not know what it meant. Clearly, this is bogus information! No serious reader would take this seriously; it makes the article look like a joke! Gregjackson112 ( talk) 20:32, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
This article pertains to Gujarati's not Gurjars, and there is already a separate article page for Gujjars. Also, when you reverted my edit (and all others after mine) you reverted corrections to grammar; you need to fix that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregjackson112 ( talk • contribs) 09:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
This section is written like an ad for the ruling government. I am removing this part. Muthuppattar ( talk) 13:16, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Hey guys I have transferred Vapi from major city section to Economy section. Please comment constructively. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vyom25 ( talk • contribs) 05:21, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
In this article, there claims to be harmony between hindus and muslims in gujarat. that is bullshit. There is no mention of the gujarat genocide, or of Modi's pogroms. This article definetly needs to add facts about gujarat, not just opinions of some Modi supporters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.80.237.20 ( talk • contribs) 04:35, 31 Jan 2007 (UTC)
Genocide is a wrong word friend they were riots...bloody riots....... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vyom25 ( talk • contribs) 05:24, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
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Surat is by no means a clean city. It is where the Plague breakout of India (in the early 90s) started from. Additionally, I have been to Surat. It is rotten: there is garbage all over the place.
I would like to know the source of the voting that the author/editor claims.
Alren 15:08, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Master purav ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:12, 2 January 2012 (UTC).
The section on Vallabhbhai Patel, which was inappropriately included under "Subdivisions", has been transferred to Politics of Gujarat. Skinsmoke ( talk) 03:20, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
such a beautiful state — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.192.100.11 ( talk) 14:26, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Taken a quick look, the whole article has been written in a fan point of view. Please remember that Wikipedia is not a fan site. Information should fulfill encyclopedia condition. Lots of reference provided are either dead or unreliable. Some fans are maintaining this article which is good but please develop this page by keeping neutrality in mind. If you want to know how Indian geography articles are written please visit Uttar Pradesh, West Bengal, Kolkata etc. Also, please Don't remove Maintenance tag until the issues get solve. Feel free to ask me if you have any doubt on my talk page. Thank You -- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 16:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
After defeat of Mughals by Marathas, large part of Gujrat was a part of Maratha empire. Confederated Maratha dynasties such as Gaikwads of Baroda were influential. This information needs to be added in the history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.184.29.57 ( talk) 07:58, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
New section about British royals having gujrati ancestor would be more suited to the notable gujrati people page rather than this page about the state itself.Removed to notable gujrati people page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.22.129.213 ( talk) 21:10, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi
In this article there is not mentioned any thing about Amul dairy Anand /NDDB, Which is known pioneer for Co-operative dairy movement starting point in India. Also it is head office for dairy development NDDB is also located in ANAND. Also VallabVidya Nagar, is well know for education and campus for Sardar Patel Univercity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.176.38.187 ( talk) 04:26, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
[11] Last time I checked, immigrants are people too... -- NeilN talk to me 22:43, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Punjabi, Marwari, Sindhi, and Marathi are spoken by a small number of migrants (that have come from other states/regions of India/South Asia) in Gujarat. The average or the majority of people in Gujarat cannot communicate in said languages. Stating it as such is akin to stating that ...Mandrin is a language spoken in America. ShamusHarper ( talk) 22:47, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Sources for what? Can you clarify. Also, why stop at Marwari, Punjabi, Sindhi, and Marathi? Why not Tamil, Bengali and Bhojpuri too? You can find migrants from all those communities in Gujarat. ShamusHarper ( talk) 22:58, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Well yeah, because it is pretty much the same. Or you can replace Mandrin with French or German for instance, and that analogy will still be valid. I have located the census data for Marwari speakers in Gujarat State, they comprise about 206895 in a population of some 50 Million, which is less than 0.4% Source. ShamusHarper ( talk) 00:46, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
I have located language stats for Marathi, Sindhi, Punjabi, etc.. but I'm having trouble understanding the data: here. Taken from here ShamusHarper ( talk) 01:01, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
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Want to add the name of Shrimad Rajchandra ,a revered Jain monk and spiritual guru of Mahatma Gandhi. Jainallotrope ( talk) 00:08, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
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Religion section includes images of Gurudwara, Jama masjid, and Jews Synagogue but lacks images of temples with higher number of pilgrims across India or older history like Somnath temple, Ambaji temple, Dwarika temple etc. We should consider including images in that order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HRISHIKESH THULA ( talk • contribs) 14:59, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph, change " fifth-largest state economy in India with ₹13.14 lakh crore (US$180 billion)" to "third-largest state economy in India with ₹17.01 lakh crore (US$224 billion)". The current data is from 2017-2018 and is no longer accurate. 71.239.127.199 ( talk) 00:44, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
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Please update the GDP data in the infobox and in the lead section. Source [3] GDP Per Capita :197,446 and Main GDP : 15.01 Lakh Crore.-- 103.218.236.50 ( talk) 08:54, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
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This article seems more of a collection of lots of pictures less encyclopedia. I would love to improve the article.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣✅ 08:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Modern-day Gujarat is derived from Gurjaratra that is the land protected or ruled by the Gurjars, or from Gurjar-rashtra, the Gujjar nation.[4][5][6] The origins of the Gujjars are uncertain. The Gujjar clan appeared in northern India about the time of the Huna invasions of northern India. Some scholars, such as V. A. Smith, believed that the Gujjars were foreign immigrants, possibly a branch of Hephthalites ("White Huns"), however others, such as Baijnath puri, stated them as Indian. The name of the tribe was Sanskritized to "Gurjara" .[7]The Gurjars/Gujjars believe to have descended from Suryavanshi Kshatriyas (Sun Dynasty).[8]Historically, the Gurjars were Sun-worshipers and their copper-plate grants and seals also bear an emblem of the Sun.[9]
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are bhai Gujaratis ko ye bhi nhi pata ki gurjar koi jati hai 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thakurwaadi ( talk) 10:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
even Gujarat ma gurjar jati ka koi namu nisan nhi hai na to koi itihashik place hai jo gurjaro ne banaya ho Thakurwaadi ( talk) 10:03, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Removed the following comment :
"Modi himself, explained the reasons behind the riots as an issue of "action and reaction"."
Since the above is unconfirmed and no reliable sources/references point to that statement.
Reverted the edits made by "Alimustafakhan". Please stick to NPOV. Terms like "Ethnic Cleansing" is a very very loaded word and further inflammatory. Also please update the discussion pages with your updates. Otherwise it looks like a particular POV is being pushed.
Regarding the Godhra train firebombing episode, the Justice Banerjee commission was a single person commission which was setup by the rail ministry headed by Mr. Laloo Prasad Yadav just prior to Bihar election where he rules by proxy via his wife Ms. Rabri Devi. The objectivity of the Justice Banerjee commission itself was in question from the outset.
Abhijna 22:08, 12 Apr 2005
Dear Mr. AliMustafaKhan,
1. You accuse me of accusing "Muslims as barbarians"!
First I refute it. I have never made such an accusation and the above construct is your own making!!
2. You say that "How can "Abhijna" say that Justice Banerjee commission is biased?"
If you follow the history of the commission, you would know that. Anyway, it was a commission instituted by Railway ministry. The official commission is of Justice Nanavati and you can quote from that.
3. BBC's website there is a reportof how Gujarat Intelligencr Chief witness against Narendra Modi and his Government.
You cannot be both the judge and the jury. The officer was giving an interview, and was not speaking under oath in a court of law. That interview cannot constitute as the sole official version of the events. Particulary when the person against whom he is speaking has not got a chance to present his case.
4. Ali, Regarding your own NPOV :
Here are some of the comments made on your user page by another wikipedian :
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Your recent bout of edits
Ali, I rephrased your edit to List of founders of major religions and reversed your edits to Islam. I will also be looking over the many other Islam and Pakistan related edits you made recently.
It seems to me that most of your edits have moved the articles towards a more overt Muslim piety and a Pakistani-patriotic view of events -- at least in the viewpoint of those of us who are neither Muslim nor Pakistani. While it is not my intention to remove those viewpoints from Wikipedia -- they should be represented -- it is not NPOV (neutral point of view) to present them as if they were objective truth. Usually we try to step back and say "X believes this and Y believes that", or some such neutral presentation.
It would also be a good idea to be much more circumspect in editing articles like Islam that have a long and controversial edit history. They are the result of years of debate and compromise. I know the directions say "be bold", but there's bold and there's foolhardy <g>. What seems to work best, in dealing with controversial articles with many editors, is to make changes gradually, accompanying each change with a notice on the talk page explaining why you made the edit you did. If you're proposing large changes, it seems to work to post the proposed revision on your talk page and then invite the editorial community involved with that article to visit and comment.
I should perhaps add that I've learned all this the hard way, by treading on various toes and being criticized for my clumsiness. So I'm NOT saying that you're a bad editor or that you shouldn't keep contributing -- I'm just cautioning you to avoid my dumb mistakes. Zora 17:02, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC) [edit]
Jinnah
A very good addition you made to Mohammad Ali Jinnah about Jinnah's secular credentials. I have expanded it a bit. What do you think?—iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 01:14, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC) Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alimustafakhan"
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Honestly your other contributions were found biased and foolhardy in other articles. Particularly, Ali, note that your own edits in the article of Islam was reverted since it was found "more overt peity and pakistan-patriotic view of events" by
Zora.
The fact is that 59 Hindu Piligrims including 14 children were burnt alive. What followed uprooted and killed more innocent people, Muslims and Hindus alike. The atmosphere was further vitiated by Media. And crimes were committed against Humans by Humans in the name of religion.
I have removed your edits. I suggest that you carry out your discussion in the 2002 Gujarat Violence article.
Modified the sentence regarding arts/sciences and entrepreunerial spirit. Added link to Vikram Sarabhai.
Mr. AliMustafaKhan,
If you have proof/evidence of whatever you have said above then do please contact Justice Nanavati and submit your evidence there, hiding evidence is crime. Also note that spreading rumours without evidence is very wrong. I do hope that atleast you will follow the right path and turn over the evidence you have to the authorities.
And in the above comments of yours you also mention that certain Scheduled Tribes people helped lots of Muslims by risking their own lives... am I suspecting another insuniation based on Caste? How do you know that each and every member who helped belonged to only a Scheduled caste or a Scheduled Tribe and not to anyother caste? Did you forget the Backward castes?
And why did you remove the attack on Akshardham? Any particular reason?
Given your POV, I guess you are better off contributing to other articles on Wikipedia like articles on Taliban or Pakistan.
So today my best thing is that I am going to be a girl well 147.10.208.161 ( talk) 03:45, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
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I am confused by the arrangement of the data shown - it starts with 1951 and then proceeds for each decade up to the most recent showing a percentage change which follows, but then suddenly reverts to the start of the 20th century and indicates an 85% drop. before against showing a population change each decade forwards to 1941. Clearly the population difference from 2011 to 1901 is a bit meaningless in this context? Wouldn't the table better served just being ordered from oldest to most recent census amount? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.29.213 ( talk) 14:12, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
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It's not gujjar bhomi or something like that gu meaning darkness and jara is Rakshsi which belongs to bengal so stop doing convertion with the name. Bhagruti ( talk) 10:09, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
And Patel and Suthar know as Gajjar not gujjar it's to much over. Bhagruti ( talk) 10:10, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
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please change ((Maghrebi)) to ((Maghrebis|Maghrebi)) 98.239.227.65 ( talk) 12:56, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Gujarati: ગુજરાત 103.251.217.93 ( talk) 18:28, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
From the archived page that's linked, between 2014-2019 Gujarat's HDI went from 0.639 to 0.672. Which would be considered an increase. Moreover, on the website, figures for 2014 and 2019 are now revised to 0.642 and 0.650 respectively. which is a much slower increase but certainly not a decline. PAV1790 ( talk) 20:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
There are no scales on the map i.e how far is it from Ahmedabad to Bharuch
Hi
In this article there is not mentioned any thing about Amul dairy Anand /NDDB, Which is known pioneer for Co-operative dairy movement starting point in India. Also it is head office for dairy development NDDB is also located in ANAND. Also VallabVidya Nagar, is well know for education and campus for Sardar Patel Univercity.
Nirajsanu528 ( talk) 05:24, 28 October 2023 (UTC)== Coastal Length Mentioned here is wrong ==
Coastal Length Mentioned here is 1600 km but the real length is 1214 km according to PIB.
Source :- https://pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetailm.aspx?PRID=1802384#:~:text=Gujarat%20has%20a%20coastal%20length,based%20ecosystems%20and%20development%20opportunities. Nirajsanu528 ( talk) 07:09, 27 October 2023 (UTC) Nirajsanu528 ( talk) 05:24, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Nirajsanu528
Template:Administrative structure of Gujarat has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. DilipSpatel ( talk) 10:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
I would like to take this article to GA level. Is someone working in this already? 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 16:27, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
Some of the statements in the Economy section have incomplete references or don't mention the time period for which it is applicable. Oafie123 ( talk) 10:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)