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Merging with BRT has been suggested, but I do not find any discussion on it here....
Against merging. Guided bus or Guided busway is a technology, Bus rapid transit is a systematic approach for a faster (bus-based) public transport system. -- Klaus with K 14:15, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
== as here in the UK I still have to come across the expression Bus Rapid Transit despite my interest in Public Transport.
Since no one has written in support, I'm removing the move tag; bus rapid transit is not inherently guided, nor are guided buses inherently part of the bus rapid transit philosophy. The two should certainly reference each other, but are distinct topics. (Klaus with K: 'rapid transit' usually implies railways unless otherwise stated; it's more or less a U.S. equivalent of 'metro' and the like.) David Arthur 01:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
"Further problems in Nancy". LRTA. November 20, 2002. dead link
For some reason or another, the above reference does not open up at all. Peter Horn 00:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Done website had moved to
http://www.lrta.org/news/02/news0244.html
Martin of Sheffield (
talk) 16:25, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Should the rubber wheeled trams resided at tram/streetcar/light rail? Rubber-wheeled metro/subway resides at subway/metro.
This Article doesn't really address what advantages (if any) that a guided bus system has over a normal "busses only" lane. Is it faster? Safer? Cheaper?
In my opinion there is no significant advantage, that's why they are rare. A normal bus road can be quite narrow according to my experience, and bus and tram can be combined by having normal street tram rails. The ability to restrict non-approved buses, small advantage. To restrict private cars, have a device that makes it impossible to pass if the distance between left and right wheels is too small, relatively common. The normal advantage of trams over buses is that trams can be longer since they are guided, but then they have to be guided all the route. Another big advantage is that tram have electric propulsion, but also, they have to be guided all the route. The disadvantage of guided bus routes is that it is expensive to build and requires special buses, which costs more money to buy. This is my assessment, please comment. -- BIL 09:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I too would like to hear about the advantages/disadvantages of the "guided bus" system. It seems halfway between bus and tram although I don't clearly see why you wouldn't simply install a tram service if you needed some dedicated line to be built...? Some of the comments above (e.g. by Bigglesjames) are helpful, but it'd be great to get some nicely-sourced information in the article please. -- mcld ( talk) 10:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
A section about alleged advantages (with references) is still needed.-- Pere prlpz ( talk) 10:51, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
The following information has been removed from Bus Rapid Transit as it is too specific to be relevent. However, I think this information should remain inside Wikipedia. Essen buses do not have their own article. They are still an important early example of both Guided buses and Dual-mode buses and so I suggest adding this information to this article.
Comments Please Bigglesjames ( talk) 22:21, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
The article about Essen would be an appropriate place for a short section about the city's guided bus system. I suggest placing it as a subsection of Infrastructure just below the Public Transport subsection. With more material, the Essen guided bus system would make a suitable standalone article, with links to Guided bus and Essen. You can, of course, add a subsection to Essen now, then move it to a standalone article later. Folklore1 ( talk) 19:39, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
I don't get it. If it needs a driver to enter and exit the system, then why not just have a driver the whole time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.132.92.8 ( talk • contribs)
If you move the optical and magnetic guidance systems down to L2 under "Guidance systems", should not GLT and Translohr also be there, as indeed should KGB. Perhaps moving the specific implementations out of the guidance systems into the examples section would help, something like:
Moving the detailed examples out of the technical description and merging with the existing list might make it easier for a reader to understand the core concepts. Martin of Sheffield ( talk) 10:26, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
> There is no evidence to prove the superiority of either guidance system. Both Bombardier and Translohr have had derailments during operation.
Huh? The Bombardier system is now abandoned, because its single roller just couldn't keep constant grab of the guidance rail. Furthermore, the weight of Bombardier guided buses is supported to a large percentage by the rail roller, in a futile effort to forcibly keep it in constant contact with the monorail. This makes the causeway foundations crack prematurely. Existing lines will be converted back to traditonal articulated busses when major overhaul period of the rolling stock arrives, Bombardier itself has stated that. It's game over [1].
In constrast, the Alstom Translohr LTE system is now celebrating carnival, most literally. Its Tranvia di Mestre system has reached Venezia (Venice) proper as of 15 Sep 2015, offering direct transfer to water buses or black gondolas, depending on the rider's wallet and romantic inclinations. The Veneto LTE monorail network is now 20km long (laid out in the shape of an anchor) and one day may be connected with nearby Padua's similiar system. (The venetian LTE "torpedos" are painted deep red, while the patavian ones are sky blue.) Although an extension to Marco Polo int'l airport is the mid-term aim of venetian Translohr expansion. 82.131.153.119 ( talk) 21:17, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
For it is a specific class of guided "bus" that is not technically designed to be a "guided" bus. See fr:Tramway sur pneumatiques. <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> ( talk) 00:00, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Oppose The "rubber tyred" trams presented here are not trams, they are guided buses. Both the Bombardier and the Translohr use a guide rail, not a running rail so are not trams. They are not trolley buses either, since trolley buses are not guided and many modern ones are not even tied permanently to the overhead. I might support a renaming of the section to "Rail guided buses" or similar. Martin of Sheffield ( talk) 08:30, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
I have removed references to Crawley Fastway, and put Leigh-Salford-Manchester Bus Rapid Transit references in their place. In my view, the LSM busway provides a better illustration of the potential advantages of kerb-guided busway features; and it allows us to use more informative pictures. TomHennell ( talk) 11:29, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
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Merging with BRT has been suggested, but I do not find any discussion on it here....
Against merging. Guided bus or Guided busway is a technology, Bus rapid transit is a systematic approach for a faster (bus-based) public transport system. -- Klaus with K 14:15, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
== as here in the UK I still have to come across the expression Bus Rapid Transit despite my interest in Public Transport.
Since no one has written in support, I'm removing the move tag; bus rapid transit is not inherently guided, nor are guided buses inherently part of the bus rapid transit philosophy. The two should certainly reference each other, but are distinct topics. (Klaus with K: 'rapid transit' usually implies railways unless otherwise stated; it's more or less a U.S. equivalent of 'metro' and the like.) David Arthur 01:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
"Further problems in Nancy". LRTA. November 20, 2002. dead link
For some reason or another, the above reference does not open up at all. Peter Horn 00:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Done website had moved to
http://www.lrta.org/news/02/news0244.html
Martin of Sheffield (
talk) 16:25, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Should the rubber wheeled trams resided at tram/streetcar/light rail? Rubber-wheeled metro/subway resides at subway/metro.
This Article doesn't really address what advantages (if any) that a guided bus system has over a normal "busses only" lane. Is it faster? Safer? Cheaper?
In my opinion there is no significant advantage, that's why they are rare. A normal bus road can be quite narrow according to my experience, and bus and tram can be combined by having normal street tram rails. The ability to restrict non-approved buses, small advantage. To restrict private cars, have a device that makes it impossible to pass if the distance between left and right wheels is too small, relatively common. The normal advantage of trams over buses is that trams can be longer since they are guided, but then they have to be guided all the route. Another big advantage is that tram have electric propulsion, but also, they have to be guided all the route. The disadvantage of guided bus routes is that it is expensive to build and requires special buses, which costs more money to buy. This is my assessment, please comment. -- BIL 09:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I too would like to hear about the advantages/disadvantages of the "guided bus" system. It seems halfway between bus and tram although I don't clearly see why you wouldn't simply install a tram service if you needed some dedicated line to be built...? Some of the comments above (e.g. by Bigglesjames) are helpful, but it'd be great to get some nicely-sourced information in the article please. -- mcld ( talk) 10:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
A section about alleged advantages (with references) is still needed.-- Pere prlpz ( talk) 10:51, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
The following information has been removed from Bus Rapid Transit as it is too specific to be relevent. However, I think this information should remain inside Wikipedia. Essen buses do not have their own article. They are still an important early example of both Guided buses and Dual-mode buses and so I suggest adding this information to this article.
Comments Please Bigglesjames ( talk) 22:21, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
The article about Essen would be an appropriate place for a short section about the city's guided bus system. I suggest placing it as a subsection of Infrastructure just below the Public Transport subsection. With more material, the Essen guided bus system would make a suitable standalone article, with links to Guided bus and Essen. You can, of course, add a subsection to Essen now, then move it to a standalone article later. Folklore1 ( talk) 19:39, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
I don't get it. If it needs a driver to enter and exit the system, then why not just have a driver the whole time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.132.92.8 ( talk • contribs)
If you move the optical and magnetic guidance systems down to L2 under "Guidance systems", should not GLT and Translohr also be there, as indeed should KGB. Perhaps moving the specific implementations out of the guidance systems into the examples section would help, something like:
Moving the detailed examples out of the technical description and merging with the existing list might make it easier for a reader to understand the core concepts. Martin of Sheffield ( talk) 10:26, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
> There is no evidence to prove the superiority of either guidance system. Both Bombardier and Translohr have had derailments during operation.
Huh? The Bombardier system is now abandoned, because its single roller just couldn't keep constant grab of the guidance rail. Furthermore, the weight of Bombardier guided buses is supported to a large percentage by the rail roller, in a futile effort to forcibly keep it in constant contact with the monorail. This makes the causeway foundations crack prematurely. Existing lines will be converted back to traditonal articulated busses when major overhaul period of the rolling stock arrives, Bombardier itself has stated that. It's game over [1].
In constrast, the Alstom Translohr LTE system is now celebrating carnival, most literally. Its Tranvia di Mestre system has reached Venezia (Venice) proper as of 15 Sep 2015, offering direct transfer to water buses or black gondolas, depending on the rider's wallet and romantic inclinations. The Veneto LTE monorail network is now 20km long (laid out in the shape of an anchor) and one day may be connected with nearby Padua's similiar system. (The venetian LTE "torpedos" are painted deep red, while the patavian ones are sky blue.) Although an extension to Marco Polo int'l airport is the mid-term aim of venetian Translohr expansion. 82.131.153.119 ( talk) 21:17, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
For it is a specific class of guided "bus" that is not technically designed to be a "guided" bus. See fr:Tramway sur pneumatiques. <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> ( talk) 00:00, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Oppose The "rubber tyred" trams presented here are not trams, they are guided buses. Both the Bombardier and the Translohr use a guide rail, not a running rail so are not trams. They are not trolley buses either, since trolley buses are not guided and many modern ones are not even tied permanently to the overhead. I might support a renaming of the section to "Rail guided buses" or similar. Martin of Sheffield ( talk) 08:30, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
I have removed references to Crawley Fastway, and put Leigh-Salford-Manchester Bus Rapid Transit references in their place. In my view, the LSM busway provides a better illustration of the potential advantages of kerb-guided busway features; and it allows us to use more informative pictures. TomHennell ( talk) 11:29, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
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