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"no Western countries ... give strong and equal legal protection (e.g., of rights relating to children) to non-married partners – the legal regime is not comparable to that applied to married couples." I don't understand this statement at all. Western countries have "common-law" marriages that are quite comparable to a completed marriage, in many cases including rights relating to children. Clarification is required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.5.142.39 ( talk) 16:58, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
For instance, Currently, the most common form of group marriage is a triad of two women and one man, or two men and one woman. However, there have recently been a number of polyfidelitous families formed by two heterosexual couples who become a four-some and live together as a family.
I mean, really -- "currently" and "recently" as of freakin' exactly WHEN?? Sure, Group Marriage is cited... which was published 1974. Give me an actual anchor date, else this MUST go away.
And "a number of"? How large a number, here? a million? a thousand? ten? zero?
How often is a poll done of a representative portion of nonmonogamous people that "the most common form" has been established as more than airheaded conjecture?
Geez...
Weeb Dingle (
talk) 08:48, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
The entire Non-European cultures section reads like some freshman's weekly Anthropology 1-01 essay. I mean, FIVE uses of "adelphic polyandry" with NOT ONE link to Polyandry (now corrected). As such, the section calls out for proper review.
While nice enough, there's no indication as to whether the list is intended to be an indicative overview of relevant examples, or somehow complete.
Weeb Dingle (
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In Proposition 31, the primary characters were deeply affected by what they found in Heinlein's Stranger In a Strange Land. Rimmer had them form a corporate marriage or corporate family, a way to organize and structure a closed nonmonogamous relationship.
In response, Heinlein had the main character of Friday join a corporate marriage. My assumption is that the authors were very aware of each other's work.
Weeb Dingle (
talk) 09:07, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
In three instances I have changed polyamory to polyfidelity (or appropriate conjugation).
Reasoning: group marriage is a subset of polyfidelity (closed-group nonmonogamy) which is a subset of polyamory (high-communication borderless nonmonogamy) which is a subset of generalized nonmonogamy. Therefore, I have moved the topical term to its immediate precedent, rather than skip to a (likely misleading) more-general class.
Weeb Dingle (
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And I will nominate for sanctification ANYONE who can find me something credible as to the use of the term "group marriage" through history. Approximately when was it coined? Was it actually applied to Oneida in its existence? (If so, by whom?)
Weeb Dingle (
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However unlikely, people generally enter into dyadic marriage with multiple declarations of "life-long" and "eternal," not unusually given some degree of enforceability under law. Can there be any marriage in group marriage without similar strictures?
Is it even possible to have "a group marriage" if there is no ceremony?
And aren't there requirements to qualify? For instance, Colorado specifies that four elements substantiating a common-law marriage:
Public presentation is a key element, and recurs through jurisdictions: Iowa requires a public declaration by the parties or a holding out to the public that they are husband and wife. As very few "group marriages" seem to appear in public as though married, they fail fully half the list, so I could argue likely aren't "marriage" in any non-hyperbolic sense. Certainly, those not living in one domicile fail the "group" part as well.
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Notes to various editors:
Weeb Dingle ( talk) 08:05, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Line marriage is a form of group marriage found in fiction in which the family unit continues to add new spouses of both sexes over time so that the marriage does not end.
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"no Western countries ... give strong and equal legal protection (e.g., of rights relating to children) to non-married partners – the legal regime is not comparable to that applied to married couples." I don't understand this statement at all. Western countries have "common-law" marriages that are quite comparable to a completed marriage, in many cases including rights relating to children. Clarification is required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.5.142.39 ( talk) 16:58, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
For instance, Currently, the most common form of group marriage is a triad of two women and one man, or two men and one woman. However, there have recently been a number of polyfidelitous families formed by two heterosexual couples who become a four-some and live together as a family.
I mean, really -- "currently" and "recently" as of freakin' exactly WHEN?? Sure, Group Marriage is cited... which was published 1974. Give me an actual anchor date, else this MUST go away.
And "a number of"? How large a number, here? a million? a thousand? ten? zero?
How often is a poll done of a representative portion of nonmonogamous people that "the most common form" has been established as more than airheaded conjecture?
Geez...
Weeb Dingle (
talk) 08:48, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
The entire Non-European cultures section reads like some freshman's weekly Anthropology 1-01 essay. I mean, FIVE uses of "adelphic polyandry" with NOT ONE link to Polyandry (now corrected). As such, the section calls out for proper review.
While nice enough, there's no indication as to whether the list is intended to be an indicative overview of relevant examples, or somehow complete.
Weeb Dingle (
talk) 17:04, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
In Proposition 31, the primary characters were deeply affected by what they found in Heinlein's Stranger In a Strange Land. Rimmer had them form a corporate marriage or corporate family, a way to organize and structure a closed nonmonogamous relationship.
In response, Heinlein had the main character of Friday join a corporate marriage. My assumption is that the authors were very aware of each other's work.
Weeb Dingle (
talk) 09:07, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
In three instances I have changed polyamory to polyfidelity (or appropriate conjugation).
Reasoning: group marriage is a subset of polyfidelity (closed-group nonmonogamy) which is a subset of polyamory (high-communication borderless nonmonogamy) which is a subset of generalized nonmonogamy. Therefore, I have moved the topical term to its immediate precedent, rather than skip to a (likely misleading) more-general class.
Weeb Dingle (
talk) 09:21, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
And I will nominate for sanctification ANYONE who can find me something credible as to the use of the term "group marriage" through history. Approximately when was it coined? Was it actually applied to Oneida in its existence? (If so, by whom?)
Weeb Dingle (
talk) 16:13, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
However unlikely, people generally enter into dyadic marriage with multiple declarations of "life-long" and "eternal," not unusually given some degree of enforceability under law. Can there be any marriage in group marriage without similar strictures?
Is it even possible to have "a group marriage" if there is no ceremony?
And aren't there requirements to qualify? For instance, Colorado specifies that four elements substantiating a common-law marriage:
Public presentation is a key element, and recurs through jurisdictions: Iowa requires a public declaration by the parties or a holding out to the public that they are husband and wife. As very few "group marriages" seem to appear in public as though married, they fail fully half the list, so I could argue likely aren't "marriage" in any non-hyperbolic sense. Certainly, those not living in one domicile fail the "group" part as well.
Weeb Dingle (
talk) 16:12, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Notes to various editors:
Weeb Dingle ( talk) 08:05, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Line marriage is a form of group marriage found in fiction in which the family unit continues to add new spouses of both sexes over time so that the marriage does not end.