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The process against Grabovoi is an encyclopedia of all the possible violations of the human rights and the Russian Constitution. Those, who studied the case, know it very well. None of the episodes has been proved by the prosecution, still he has been charged 11 years! Murderers get less in Russia. The true reason for the victimizing of the prominrent Academic and a very powerful psychic was his wish to become the President of Russia and to build a Heaven for everyone. He had a good chance, and what Putin does to his political opponents is well known in Russia and in the World. That's why the article needs to be corrected. The Article about Graboboy on the Russian Wikipedia is much bigger and looks way more open minded. Why his followers were called a sect in the article? What's the ground for it? And the lack of publications and TV programs - it's a mistake. There were and there are plenty, but all very aggressive to Grabovoy and full of lies. TV and nearly all the media is under the Government's control in Russia. -- Born Immortal ( talk) 13:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
...are not for holding news stories. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/ complex 14:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
His books in English here use the name Grigori Grabovoi, so I am going to move the page to match that. Wyatt Tyrone Smith ( talk) 19:28, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
The information is inaccurate. The people in charge of providing information on this website should do more research before releasing information that taintes the reputation af a person. This is difamatory. In the trial it was demonstrated that those mothers of Beslan didn't even know who Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi was, much less did he receive money to resurrect their children. This was orchestrated by the orthodox church to teint the Doctor, who is not a mechanic, nor a paramedic, he is a Scientist, Mathematician and more. There are sources where to double check who he really is. Difamation is against the law. 2600:100A:B1C5:4846:0:1C:53FD:F701 ( talk) 04:21, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
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Sayitright22 ( talk) 03:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)Link to the statements of the mothers of Beslan testifying that they never saw Dr. Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi nor did they pay him any money to resurrect their children. He was falsely accused and the mothers of Beslan where very clear on this matter. The link to this information that is crucial to prove Dr. Grigori Petrovich Grabovi{s innocence was provided by reliable sources. https://lawyerheart898.wordpress.com/2020/04/09/lawyers-claim-for-an-article-in-the-interlocutor-from-06-04-2020/ Instead of Mechanic use Mathematician, Instead of Paramedic use Scientific and Clarivoyant. Sayitright22 ( talk) 03:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
I had corrected some false and defamatory information on the page dedicated to Grigori Grabovoi, citing institutional sources and providing links to these sources.
The changes I had made were deleted, without a discussion with me on the content, and with unsubstantiated reasons. Here the comment of the "person" that have deleted them:
"Hello, I'm IronGargoyle. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Grigori Grabovoi seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. IronGargoyle ( talk) 19:40, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
These are the 2 corrections I had previously made:
"Grigori Grabovoi was fully rehabilitated by the verdict of the European Court of Human Rights on 22.09.2016. It stated that Grigori Grabovoi detention was unlawful, it approved a violation of the provisions of the Convention on the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms of Grigori Grabovoi during the criminal proceedings against him and a demand to pay monetary compensation was done.
Here the verdict of European Court of Human Right: https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22itemid%22:%5B%22001-166746%22%5D}
After this, the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation approved the illegality, unreasonableness and injustice of the verdict of 07.07.2008 against Grigori Grabovoi, with the verdict of 11.04.2018.
Here the verdict on the website of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation: http://vsrf.ru/stor_pdf.php?id=1647762
Thus, Grigori Grabovoi has no criminal record."'
Beslan
False information that allegedly Grabovoi G. P. (his followers) were in Beslan, took money and allegedly made promises.
This specified wording is knowingly false – slander, since the lawyer Konev Vyacheslav Gennadievich, who defends Grabovoi Grigori Petrovich, officially and in the media, stated in his claim to the article, that above wording regarding G. Grabovoi is not true, for the following reasons:
1.1. This information was repeatedly refuted by the defense of Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi.
On the internet, there are openly available numerous materials from the speeches of Dudieva Susanna Petrovna, Chairperson of “Mother of Beslan” Committee, in which she stated that Grabovoi G.P. have never been in Beslan, didn’t give promises of resurrection of children of Beslan, moreover didn’t take any money.
1.2. The case, on the events of the promise of resurrection was initiated on 20th March 2006, but as a result of preliminary investigation and the judicial investigation, information was not confirmed and there were no victims from Beslan in the verdict of July 7th, 2008,
that is, the acquittal of the verdict proved, that there were no promises of resurrection of the victims of the attack in Beslan made, on which criminal case was instituted on March 20th 2006.
1.3. April 4th, 2006, before the arrest of G.P Grabovoi, S.P Dudieva sent her open appeal to V.Mamontov, Chief Editor of Izvestia Newspaper, where she stated:
“I am a chairman of “ Mother of Beslan”committee and an eyewitness to everything that is happening in Beslan and responsibly declare that not a single mother of a child, died in Beslan tragedy ever paid any money to Academic G. Grabovoi for resurrection of dead children, moreover, neither Grigori Grabovoi himself and none of his students have ever been to Beslan. ” This appeal has been in public domain since April 4th 2006 on the site http://www.drugg.ru/cgi-bin/main.pl?menu=2_41&bp=0_175_332" Chicca70 ( talk) 14:55, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
~~{{Most of the information on the folder 'Article', or main page of this biography needs to be revised and corrected, or else the page should be removed completely, since clearly not all the contributors check the sources to be truthful, no offense intended, this is detrimental and perjudices the reputation of a person this page is about: Dr. Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi. Most of the information provided we have found inaccurate or false or distorted.}} Sayitright22 ( talk) Sayitright22 ( talk) 18:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
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User:Eightbillion/Grigori Grabovoi. I plan to create a short biography soon, based on
this Hungarian version, which will use reliable sources only, and add the needed sources from the existing main namespace biography. Later I will suggest to use the short biogtaphy in main namespace.
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Hello everyone! Here it is the news by a reliable secondary source Russian newspaper, reporting the verdict issued by Supreme Russian Court on April, 11 2018: it stated that all the charges on Grigori Grabovoy has been canceled: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E11:5:8260:A19F:9D83:44F:E486 ( talk) 18:17, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
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1: https://www.mk.ru/social/2018/04/16/voskresitel-mertvykh-detey-grigoriy-grabovoy-poluchil-pravo-na-reabilitaciyu.html [1]
2: https://rapsinews.ru/judicial_news/20180411/282466504.html [2]
These two articles reported the fact that and on the basis of the decision of the 22.09.2016 European Court verdict, the Presidium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation on 11.04.2018 has passed a resolution of cancelation of 26 charges against Grigori Grabovoi. European Court verdict declared that Grigori Grabovoi was illegally detained for a long time. From April 2018, Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi is considered to be not convicted.
In the press conference [3] [4] lawyer M. Trepashkin stated that: I. twenty-six resolutions have been canceled. The reverse process has started, and it proves that Grigori Petrovich was illegally detained. II. since April 11,2018, it is forbidden to write anywhere that Grigori Grabovoi was convicted, he is not convicted. III. the most important thing is that the case nowhere includes the mothers of Beslan as victims. Grigori Petrovich had not been in Beslan, he did not talk to anyone and promised no one to resurrect the children.
Based on this, the Article page has to be corrected, as it has to adhere to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. [5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E11:5:8260:5049:D531:2CBF:DAEE ( talk) 09:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
References
The 26.01.2007 article from Gazeta-Resonans [1] reported a lot of irregolarities in the case against Grigori Grabovoi, for example the declarations of Susanna Dudieva, president of the committee "Mothers of Beslan" that declared that Grigori Grabovoi had never been in Beslan. Another important claim in the article is the declaration of the Bulgarian reporter Valentina Genkova, the author of video recording of the meeting between Baba Vanga and Grigori Grabovoi on 27.10.1995. She declared that the fragment of her video presented by Russian television was deliberately distorted in order to mislead the public. That is, Baba Vanga treated well Grigori Grabovoi, in particular Baba Vanga declared that Grigori Petrovich, possessing phenomenal qualities, must necessarily continue to heal people and expand the scope of his abilities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E11:5:8260:D8F9:CEB8:4594:18A5 ( talk) 18:42, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
But coming back at the issue: Dudieva is a member of Grabovoi's WP:FRINGE cult, and her declaration may safely be considered biased and self-serving. His claim of resurrecting the Beslan children was too broadly reported by the mainstream media, so a denial by a fellow cultist cannot cancel that.
About has a higher education
: yup, he has kind of MSc in engineering. But don't let his "professor diploma" fool you: professor is a job, not a diploma. It is true that one has to have several diplomas to be appointed as a full professor, but there is no diploma of being a full professor. So, technically there can be no fake diplomas of being a professor, since genuine diplomas of being a professor don't exist either.
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@
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Tgeorgescu:: I created a
User:Eightbillion/Grigori Grabovoi (talk helper) page to help us discuss the biography. On this page I use the events in chronological order. I think the main namespace biography also should have at least one section where all the events are in order. The events which are currently not in order are marked with red. I added one more indicator to show his respect level throughout his life, and marked with bold text those events which in my opinion resulted the change.
The content itself is the copy of the main namespace version, and I added some parts to it marked with green. I changed the section titles intentionally to show the respect periods, and of course I do not want to use this section partitioning on the main namespace version.
For the issue we talked about I use the sentence "After the investigation was completed, the prosecutor's office did not charge him with the accusation published in the media that Grigori Grabovoi visited Beslan and promised to resurrect Beslan mothers for money.".
I added the some time ago questioned "criminal record deleted" issue as well. I think the explanation is now understandable and acceptable.
What do you think?
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In this interview, on March, 17 2007 in the Russian newspaper IFormat.ru, [1] Marina Lavrentyevna Popovich told that she met G.P. Grabovoi in Tashkent. She flew there together with General Dedukh in a big ANTEY plane, she was the commander. When she arrived in Tashkent, she remembered that Systsov, the chief engineer of this plant, told her that there was such a unique person, Grigori Grabovoi, who diagnosed the planes and tried to ensure the safety of the flights. Then she met him in that occasion. She reported that Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi was a very young men, and he really, unequivocally pointed out the flaws. He pointed out precisely the points of the hidden cracks inside the metal, which could only be detected under laboratory conditions. And he could diagnose instantly, staying at a great distance from the plane, or simply working with technological maps in his office. Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi was an aeronautical engineer by education, he knew and saw everything perfectly. Everything he pointed out was confirmed. And when he warned from Lefortovo about the threat of a nuclear explosion and aircraft accidents, this is more than serious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E11:5:8260:D8F9:CEB8:4594:18A5 ( talk) 15:34, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
References
Perhaps at the peak of his career, Grabovoi was an engineer, but he never was a scientist. If you don't believe me, name five scientific articles he published in reputable scientific journals (no MDPI, Hindawi, or stuff like that). E.g. at PubMed and alternative spelling he published nothing. Also 0 (zero, naught) results at JSTOR and EBSCO, the few results which are about him are not his own works. tgeorgescu ( talk) 23:19, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
He appears in Lindquist, Galina (2006). Conjuring Hope: Magic and Healing in Contemporary Russia. Berghahn Series. Berghahn Books. p. 37. ISBN 978-1-84545-057-1. Retrieved 2023-04-17. But the WP:RS does not seem to say much about him, his ad is only used as an example of Russian alternative healers. tgeorgescu ( talk) 03:29, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
Interview with P.V. Vinogradov, Russian pilot cosmonaut
In his April, 10 2007 interview, [6] https://web.archive.org/web/20071125213425/http://iformat.ru/article/v-zashchitu-zhurnalistskoe-rassledovanie-ugolovnogo-dela--376062-po-moshennichestvu-grigoriya-grabovogo-intervyu-s-letchikom-kosmonavtom-pv-vinogradovym Pavel Vinogradov tells about his first meeting with Grigori Grabovoi, in 1999. The meeting happens in a very serious situation: the space station MIR was in flight, and a new crew had to be launched on it. The Mission Control Center noticed a drop in pressure on the station, a leak. And a quick decision had to be undertaken: to launch or not to launch the crew?
General Meshcheryakov brought Grigori to the Mission Control Center and P. Vinogradov explained him how the station was set up, what they suspected, how a leak could happen, how it could be fixed. And Grigori Grabovoi just pointed his finger, and told: “the leak is here”. P. Vinogradov was very surprised, because in that section nothing should leak at all. But it was in exactely in that place, six months later, that the crew found a microscopic gap, after disembarking to the station, with the help of special instruments. Nikka888 ( talk) 07:50, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
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The process against Grabovoi is an encyclopedia of all the possible violations of the human rights and the Russian Constitution. Those, who studied the case, know it very well. None of the episodes has been proved by the prosecution, still he has been charged 11 years! Murderers get less in Russia. The true reason for the victimizing of the prominrent Academic and a very powerful psychic was his wish to become the President of Russia and to build a Heaven for everyone. He had a good chance, and what Putin does to his political opponents is well known in Russia and in the World. That's why the article needs to be corrected. The Article about Graboboy on the Russian Wikipedia is much bigger and looks way more open minded. Why his followers were called a sect in the article? What's the ground for it? And the lack of publications and TV programs - it's a mistake. There were and there are plenty, but all very aggressive to Grabovoy and full of lies. TV and nearly all the media is under the Government's control in Russia. -- Born Immortal ( talk) 13:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
...are not for holding news stories. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/ complex 14:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
His books in English here use the name Grigori Grabovoi, so I am going to move the page to match that. Wyatt Tyrone Smith ( talk) 19:28, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
The information is inaccurate. The people in charge of providing information on this website should do more research before releasing information that taintes the reputation af a person. This is difamatory. In the trial it was demonstrated that those mothers of Beslan didn't even know who Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi was, much less did he receive money to resurrect their children. This was orchestrated by the orthodox church to teint the Doctor, who is not a mechanic, nor a paramedic, he is a Scientist, Mathematician and more. There are sources where to double check who he really is. Difamation is against the law. 2600:100A:B1C5:4846:0:1C:53FD:F701 ( talk) 04:21, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
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Sayitright22 ( talk) 03:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)Link to the statements of the mothers of Beslan testifying that they never saw Dr. Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi nor did they pay him any money to resurrect their children. He was falsely accused and the mothers of Beslan where very clear on this matter. The link to this information that is crucial to prove Dr. Grigori Petrovich Grabovi{s innocence was provided by reliable sources. https://lawyerheart898.wordpress.com/2020/04/09/lawyers-claim-for-an-article-in-the-interlocutor-from-06-04-2020/ Instead of Mechanic use Mathematician, Instead of Paramedic use Scientific and Clarivoyant. Sayitright22 ( talk) 03:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
I had corrected some false and defamatory information on the page dedicated to Grigori Grabovoi, citing institutional sources and providing links to these sources.
The changes I had made were deleted, without a discussion with me on the content, and with unsubstantiated reasons. Here the comment of the "person" that have deleted them:
"Hello, I'm IronGargoyle. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Grigori Grabovoi seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. IronGargoyle ( talk) 19:40, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
These are the 2 corrections I had previously made:
"Grigori Grabovoi was fully rehabilitated by the verdict of the European Court of Human Rights on 22.09.2016. It stated that Grigori Grabovoi detention was unlawful, it approved a violation of the provisions of the Convention on the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms of Grigori Grabovoi during the criminal proceedings against him and a demand to pay monetary compensation was done.
Here the verdict of European Court of Human Right: https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22itemid%22:%5B%22001-166746%22%5D}
After this, the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation approved the illegality, unreasonableness and injustice of the verdict of 07.07.2008 against Grigori Grabovoi, with the verdict of 11.04.2018.
Here the verdict on the website of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation: http://vsrf.ru/stor_pdf.php?id=1647762
Thus, Grigori Grabovoi has no criminal record."'
Beslan
False information that allegedly Grabovoi G. P. (his followers) were in Beslan, took money and allegedly made promises.
This specified wording is knowingly false – slander, since the lawyer Konev Vyacheslav Gennadievich, who defends Grabovoi Grigori Petrovich, officially and in the media, stated in his claim to the article, that above wording regarding G. Grabovoi is not true, for the following reasons:
1.1. This information was repeatedly refuted by the defense of Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi.
On the internet, there are openly available numerous materials from the speeches of Dudieva Susanna Petrovna, Chairperson of “Mother of Beslan” Committee, in which she stated that Grabovoi G.P. have never been in Beslan, didn’t give promises of resurrection of children of Beslan, moreover didn’t take any money.
1.2. The case, on the events of the promise of resurrection was initiated on 20th March 2006, but as a result of preliminary investigation and the judicial investigation, information was not confirmed and there were no victims from Beslan in the verdict of July 7th, 2008,
that is, the acquittal of the verdict proved, that there were no promises of resurrection of the victims of the attack in Beslan made, on which criminal case was instituted on March 20th 2006.
1.3. April 4th, 2006, before the arrest of G.P Grabovoi, S.P Dudieva sent her open appeal to V.Mamontov, Chief Editor of Izvestia Newspaper, where she stated:
“I am a chairman of “ Mother of Beslan”committee and an eyewitness to everything that is happening in Beslan and responsibly declare that not a single mother of a child, died in Beslan tragedy ever paid any money to Academic G. Grabovoi for resurrection of dead children, moreover, neither Grigori Grabovoi himself and none of his students have ever been to Beslan. ” This appeal has been in public domain since April 4th 2006 on the site http://www.drugg.ru/cgi-bin/main.pl?menu=2_41&bp=0_175_332" Chicca70 ( talk) 14:55, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
~~{{Most of the information on the folder 'Article', or main page of this biography needs to be revised and corrected, or else the page should be removed completely, since clearly not all the contributors check the sources to be truthful, no offense intended, this is detrimental and perjudices the reputation of a person this page is about: Dr. Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi. Most of the information provided we have found inaccurate or false or distorted.}} Sayitright22 ( talk) Sayitright22 ( talk) 18:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
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Dear Everyone and @
Daniel Case:, I started to create Grigori Grabovoi's detailed, probable biography at
User:Eightbillion/Grigori Grabovoi. I plan to create a short biography soon, based on
this Hungarian version, which will use reliable sources only, and add the needed sources from the existing main namespace biography. Later I will suggest to use the short biogtaphy in main namespace.
Eightbillion (
talk)
10:10, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
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Hello everyone! Here it is the news by a reliable secondary source Russian newspaper, reporting the verdict issued by Supreme Russian Court on April, 11 2018: it stated that all the charges on Grigori Grabovoy has been canceled: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E11:5:8260:A19F:9D83:44F:E486 ( talk) 18:17, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
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1: https://www.mk.ru/social/2018/04/16/voskresitel-mertvykh-detey-grigoriy-grabovoy-poluchil-pravo-na-reabilitaciyu.html [1]
2: https://rapsinews.ru/judicial_news/20180411/282466504.html [2]
These two articles reported the fact that and on the basis of the decision of the 22.09.2016 European Court verdict, the Presidium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation on 11.04.2018 has passed a resolution of cancelation of 26 charges against Grigori Grabovoi. European Court verdict declared that Grigori Grabovoi was illegally detained for a long time. From April 2018, Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi is considered to be not convicted.
In the press conference [3] [4] lawyer M. Trepashkin stated that: I. twenty-six resolutions have been canceled. The reverse process has started, and it proves that Grigori Petrovich was illegally detained. II. since April 11,2018, it is forbidden to write anywhere that Grigori Grabovoi was convicted, he is not convicted. III. the most important thing is that the case nowhere includes the mothers of Beslan as victims. Grigori Petrovich had not been in Beslan, he did not talk to anyone and promised no one to resurrect the children.
Based on this, the Article page has to be corrected, as it has to adhere to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. [5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E11:5:8260:5049:D531:2CBF:DAEE ( talk) 09:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
References
The 26.01.2007 article from Gazeta-Resonans [1] reported a lot of irregolarities in the case against Grigori Grabovoi, for example the declarations of Susanna Dudieva, president of the committee "Mothers of Beslan" that declared that Grigori Grabovoi had never been in Beslan. Another important claim in the article is the declaration of the Bulgarian reporter Valentina Genkova, the author of video recording of the meeting between Baba Vanga and Grigori Grabovoi on 27.10.1995. She declared that the fragment of her video presented by Russian television was deliberately distorted in order to mislead the public. That is, Baba Vanga treated well Grigori Grabovoi, in particular Baba Vanga declared that Grigori Petrovich, possessing phenomenal qualities, must necessarily continue to heal people and expand the scope of his abilities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E11:5:8260:D8F9:CEB8:4594:18A5 ( talk) 18:42, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
But coming back at the issue: Dudieva is a member of Grabovoi's WP:FRINGE cult, and her declaration may safely be considered biased and self-serving. His claim of resurrecting the Beslan children was too broadly reported by the mainstream media, so a denial by a fellow cultist cannot cancel that.
About has a higher education
: yup, he has kind of MSc in engineering. But don't let his "professor diploma" fool you: professor is a job, not a diploma. It is true that one has to have several diplomas to be appointed as a full professor, but there is no diploma of being a full professor. So, technically there can be no fake diplomas of being a professor, since genuine diplomas of being a professor don't exist either.
tgeorgescu (
talk)
07:16, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
@
AndyTheGrump: @
MrOllie: @
Tgeorgescu:: I created a
User:Eightbillion/Grigori Grabovoi (talk helper) page to help us discuss the biography. On this page I use the events in chronological order. I think the main namespace biography also should have at least one section where all the events are in order. The events which are currently not in order are marked with red. I added one more indicator to show his respect level throughout his life, and marked with bold text those events which in my opinion resulted the change.
The content itself is the copy of the main namespace version, and I added some parts to it marked with green. I changed the section titles intentionally to show the respect periods, and of course I do not want to use this section partitioning on the main namespace version.
For the issue we talked about I use the sentence "After the investigation was completed, the prosecutor's office did not charge him with the accusation published in the media that Grigori Grabovoi visited Beslan and promised to resurrect Beslan mothers for money.".
I added the some time ago questioned "criminal record deleted" issue as well. I think the explanation is now understandable and acceptable.
What do you think?
--
Eightbillion (
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15:13, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
In this interview, on March, 17 2007 in the Russian newspaper IFormat.ru, [1] Marina Lavrentyevna Popovich told that she met G.P. Grabovoi in Tashkent. She flew there together with General Dedukh in a big ANTEY plane, she was the commander. When she arrived in Tashkent, she remembered that Systsov, the chief engineer of this plant, told her that there was such a unique person, Grigori Grabovoi, who diagnosed the planes and tried to ensure the safety of the flights. Then she met him in that occasion. She reported that Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi was a very young men, and he really, unequivocally pointed out the flaws. He pointed out precisely the points of the hidden cracks inside the metal, which could only be detected under laboratory conditions. And he could diagnose instantly, staying at a great distance from the plane, or simply working with technological maps in his office. Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi was an aeronautical engineer by education, he knew and saw everything perfectly. Everything he pointed out was confirmed. And when he warned from Lefortovo about the threat of a nuclear explosion and aircraft accidents, this is more than serious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E11:5:8260:D8F9:CEB8:4594:18A5 ( talk) 15:34, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
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Perhaps at the peak of his career, Grabovoi was an engineer, but he never was a scientist. If you don't believe me, name five scientific articles he published in reputable scientific journals (no MDPI, Hindawi, or stuff like that). E.g. at PubMed and alternative spelling he published nothing. Also 0 (zero, naught) results at JSTOR and EBSCO, the few results which are about him are not his own works. tgeorgescu ( talk) 23:19, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
He appears in Lindquist, Galina (2006). Conjuring Hope: Magic and Healing in Contemporary Russia. Berghahn Series. Berghahn Books. p. 37. ISBN 978-1-84545-057-1. Retrieved 2023-04-17. But the WP:RS does not seem to say much about him, his ad is only used as an example of Russian alternative healers. tgeorgescu ( talk) 03:29, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
Interview with P.V. Vinogradov, Russian pilot cosmonaut
In his April, 10 2007 interview, [6] https://web.archive.org/web/20071125213425/http://iformat.ru/article/v-zashchitu-zhurnalistskoe-rassledovanie-ugolovnogo-dela--376062-po-moshennichestvu-grigoriya-grabovogo-intervyu-s-letchikom-kosmonavtom-pv-vinogradovym Pavel Vinogradov tells about his first meeting with Grigori Grabovoi, in 1999. The meeting happens in a very serious situation: the space station MIR was in flight, and a new crew had to be launched on it. The Mission Control Center noticed a drop in pressure on the station, a leak. And a quick decision had to be undertaken: to launch or not to launch the crew?
General Meshcheryakov brought Grigori to the Mission Control Center and P. Vinogradov explained him how the station was set up, what they suspected, how a leak could happen, how it could be fixed. And Grigori Grabovoi just pointed his finger, and told: “the leak is here”. P. Vinogradov was very surprised, because in that section nothing should leak at all. But it was in exactely in that place, six months later, that the crew found a microscopic gap, after disembarking to the station, with the help of special instruments. Nikka888 ( talk) 07:50, 18 April 2023 (UTC)