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I decided to finally get this page going and write stuff out, but I can tell it'll need some clean-up. Go ahead and go through it, pick out the things that need editing, I'll see if I can get an image. Dac 13:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Having reviewed the content you removed and your rationale, I agree with it, with the exception of the following text which was removed:
"Although Sarge and Simmons regard Grif as unintelligent, the likelihood is that Grif simply has a bad habit of speaking or acting before thinking. In fact, Grif is capable of being more responsible than he lets on; when Simmons defected and began to wage a one-man war against his former teammates, Grif was the only member of Red Team who tried to actually solve the problem."
I left that in because it was a large point in his section on the List page. I am confused as to why this was excluded. Dac 05:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Lately, I've made some changes to this page. I had been removing the vulgarity, because I don't beleive that it is necessary to get the point across. Yet, it has been pointed out to me that it is needed to prove certain character traits. I still disagree, but that's fair enough and I won't fight anyone over it. However, on the section on Grif's intelegence, I added a a comment about how Church stated that Grif is smart, and yet that was removed. So, I put it back, because it is completely relevent, since a section on Grif's intellegence should contain things about how smart he is, which I put in. Now, in the 'relationships with other characters' part, it was stated that Tucker overheard Grif and Simmons talking, and he thinks that their in love. That, however is not true. Tucker overhears two members of the red team talking, but does not specifically state who, so that comment is irrelevent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.125.172.252 ( talk • contribs)
In the Season 2 DVD comentary, Matt Hullun specifically says, and I quote, "There's actually more than one tandem over there in red team that you could figure is the 'old married couple' that Tucker is talking about."
No problem. I just wanted to help clean up the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.125.172.252 ( talk • contribs)
That's cool. Oh, now about the whole Church said that Grif was smart' deal, are we just going to leave that out since we don't know what he meant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.125.172.252 ( talk • contribs)
It has just been revealed in Episode 81, Grif has a sister. She wears yellow armor and talks like a very cute, girly girl. I like her already!
I know this info was deleted, which I completly understand, since it was starting to look like an article on Grif's sister. But, I do think mention of her is relevent, so I put in a short statement to simply acknwoledge his family. Ultimahero
Redundant? Is she mentioned elsewhere that I didn't see? If so, then my apologies. But, if not, then I do think it's relevant. Ultimahero
I don't see how a simple mention can really hurt the article. I do think that it deserves to be there. But, since it would include changing the article, I won't make any changes if I'm the only one who feels that way. Still, though, if others agree with me then I certainly think that it should be done. Ultimahero
How is there not enough info? If we know she's there, then it is can be added in. And I'm not missing you'r point. You don't thinks it belongs in there right now. I do. If he has family that is known, then they should be mentioned. We update as each new episode comes out. Besides, you made the point that she has her own article. That is where the majority of the info belongs, which will be updated as it comes out. But, on Grif's page, a mention of his sister is definitely relevent. Ultimahero
Hmm. It's always tough to deal with in-season things because Rooster Teeth loves to hold off on revealing things. A simple sentence might not be optimal, but I'm not sure that "redundant" is the right word. Odd-looking or incomplete perhaps. But I'd be in favor of leaving it in, just a one-sentence paragraph for now, with the understanding that how it relates to Grif will be developed later. It was a major plot twist to reveal her. How she's significant has yet to be revealed, of course, but her appearance was a major part of the season so far. If it turns out that the sentence doesn't fit at all, we can always ditch it later. But, as of now, I think a brief mention might be worthwhile. — TKD:: Talk 05:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank. That's exactly how I feel. We don't know much about her, but it was a big event that merrits mention. Ultimahero
I put it in as 'In Episode 81, we learn that Grif has a sister, who joins him in the canyon.' I think that it works. What does anyone else think? Ultimahero
Okay. I took your advice and put it in as 'In Episode 81, Rooster Teeth reveals a new character in Grif's sister, who joins him in the canyon.' Ultimahero
I noticed an inconsistancy: grift was apparently drafted, but in the first episode he talks about signing up.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.42.103.171 ( talk • contribs) .
~Chimeric
I know that there was some descrepency as to whether or not Church was messing with Simmons when he said Grif was smart, but Episode 85 proves that he meant it. He say that Grif is pretty crafty, just like himself. Unless he is calling himself dumb, which would be very uncharacteristic of Church, then he does consider Grif smart. I suppose that he could have been trying to mess with Simmons's head as well, but he still meant it. You know, the truth hurts, that kind of thing.
I know what you're saying, but Church said "He's pretty crafty, like me." If what you said was true, then he is claiming that he, too, only has the occasional good idea and is usually unintelligent. Church is certainly not the type to purposely insult himself. Besides, this is two instances, which is more than enough.
Fine. Feel free to do so. But, if you do, I'll delete the whole section. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not being petty. I'm simply following your guidelines. You said we need more than two instances for proof. Well, the whole argument about Grif being unintellegint because he mispronounces words is based on only two instances, as well. Margain and both. That's two occurences, which, by your own admitance, is not enough. Therefore, the whole section is flawed.
Yea, I know. Look, I personally don't think that the section really belongs due to the fact that Grif's intellegence has never been a 'theme', like that of Caboose. I suppose that it seems more like fan opinion. I know he mispronounces words, but I don't think that makes hims any less intellegent. And he claims to not know what jogging is, but that would fit more into his charateristic of being lazy, not dumb. And, even if he's serious, that's just ignorance, which in no way reflects opinion. But, in any case, if you and the majority of fans feel that it belongs, then fine. But, we can't edit out things just because they contradict what's already there. We have to include all of the evidence. I guess that one could interprete what Church said to mean different things, but one could interprete things however they want, and that would be opinion. I'm trying to go off of what he said, and it was, quote, "That's the orange one. He's pretty crafty. He's a lot like me."
I pointed out how grif has shown initiative at moments such as in relocated, is that ok, as it does prove both his intelligence and his lack of it, along with his laziness, even though that was unintenional —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.157.136 ( talk) 17:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
In the part where it discusses Grif's relationship with Sarge, it states that Sarge hates Grif so that he claims he is a liar, even when what he says in true, for example, claiming the wulrus and puma aren't actual animals. Isn't it possible that Sarge is just dumb and that he honestly didn't know that those were real animals? Voicingmaster 02:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Every other Red vs Blue character page includes rank in the beginning of the article as well as the infobox, yet a mark-up note says not to do so. Is there a reason for this (other then it being a spoiler)? I undid such an edit just now (also due to the horrendous misspelling of sergeant) but I still think it should be discussed. And if it's exclusion from the beginning of the article is due to it being a spoiler, when would be an acceptable date to include it? Phoenixmuffin ( talk) 11:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I just made an edit which I think should satisfy everyone, making mention of his most known rank and current rank (albeit the current rank being mentioned first). Keep or revert? Discuss. Phoenixmuffin ( talk) 00:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I would have done something like that, but I just couldn't think of a non-awkward way to mention it so early in the introduction. Phoenixmuffin ( talk) 00:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
he's been demoted so i dont think there is much point -- Vitual aelita ( talk) 15:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
to Minor Junior Private negative first class, right? --Urnoob —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.76.206 ( talk) 07:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Grif's current title is this, after being demoted by Agent Washingtonin exchange for a favor. Can this please be cleaned up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.53.135.31 ( talk) 02:27, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
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I decided to finally get this page going and write stuff out, but I can tell it'll need some clean-up. Go ahead and go through it, pick out the things that need editing, I'll see if I can get an image. Dac 13:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Having reviewed the content you removed and your rationale, I agree with it, with the exception of the following text which was removed:
"Although Sarge and Simmons regard Grif as unintelligent, the likelihood is that Grif simply has a bad habit of speaking or acting before thinking. In fact, Grif is capable of being more responsible than he lets on; when Simmons defected and began to wage a one-man war against his former teammates, Grif was the only member of Red Team who tried to actually solve the problem."
I left that in because it was a large point in his section on the List page. I am confused as to why this was excluded. Dac 05:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Lately, I've made some changes to this page. I had been removing the vulgarity, because I don't beleive that it is necessary to get the point across. Yet, it has been pointed out to me that it is needed to prove certain character traits. I still disagree, but that's fair enough and I won't fight anyone over it. However, on the section on Grif's intelegence, I added a a comment about how Church stated that Grif is smart, and yet that was removed. So, I put it back, because it is completely relevent, since a section on Grif's intellegence should contain things about how smart he is, which I put in. Now, in the 'relationships with other characters' part, it was stated that Tucker overheard Grif and Simmons talking, and he thinks that their in love. That, however is not true. Tucker overhears two members of the red team talking, but does not specifically state who, so that comment is irrelevent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.125.172.252 ( talk • contribs)
In the Season 2 DVD comentary, Matt Hullun specifically says, and I quote, "There's actually more than one tandem over there in red team that you could figure is the 'old married couple' that Tucker is talking about."
No problem. I just wanted to help clean up the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.125.172.252 ( talk • contribs)
That's cool. Oh, now about the whole Church said that Grif was smart' deal, are we just going to leave that out since we don't know what he meant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.125.172.252 ( talk • contribs)
It has just been revealed in Episode 81, Grif has a sister. She wears yellow armor and talks like a very cute, girly girl. I like her already!
I know this info was deleted, which I completly understand, since it was starting to look like an article on Grif's sister. But, I do think mention of her is relevent, so I put in a short statement to simply acknwoledge his family. Ultimahero
Redundant? Is she mentioned elsewhere that I didn't see? If so, then my apologies. But, if not, then I do think it's relevant. Ultimahero
I don't see how a simple mention can really hurt the article. I do think that it deserves to be there. But, since it would include changing the article, I won't make any changes if I'm the only one who feels that way. Still, though, if others agree with me then I certainly think that it should be done. Ultimahero
How is there not enough info? If we know she's there, then it is can be added in. And I'm not missing you'r point. You don't thinks it belongs in there right now. I do. If he has family that is known, then they should be mentioned. We update as each new episode comes out. Besides, you made the point that she has her own article. That is where the majority of the info belongs, which will be updated as it comes out. But, on Grif's page, a mention of his sister is definitely relevent. Ultimahero
Hmm. It's always tough to deal with in-season things because Rooster Teeth loves to hold off on revealing things. A simple sentence might not be optimal, but I'm not sure that "redundant" is the right word. Odd-looking or incomplete perhaps. But I'd be in favor of leaving it in, just a one-sentence paragraph for now, with the understanding that how it relates to Grif will be developed later. It was a major plot twist to reveal her. How she's significant has yet to be revealed, of course, but her appearance was a major part of the season so far. If it turns out that the sentence doesn't fit at all, we can always ditch it later. But, as of now, I think a brief mention might be worthwhile. — TKD:: Talk 05:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank. That's exactly how I feel. We don't know much about her, but it was a big event that merrits mention. Ultimahero
I put it in as 'In Episode 81, we learn that Grif has a sister, who joins him in the canyon.' I think that it works. What does anyone else think? Ultimahero
Okay. I took your advice and put it in as 'In Episode 81, Rooster Teeth reveals a new character in Grif's sister, who joins him in the canyon.' Ultimahero
I noticed an inconsistancy: grift was apparently drafted, but in the first episode he talks about signing up.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.42.103.171 ( talk • contribs) .
~Chimeric
I know that there was some descrepency as to whether or not Church was messing with Simmons when he said Grif was smart, but Episode 85 proves that he meant it. He say that Grif is pretty crafty, just like himself. Unless he is calling himself dumb, which would be very uncharacteristic of Church, then he does consider Grif smart. I suppose that he could have been trying to mess with Simmons's head as well, but he still meant it. You know, the truth hurts, that kind of thing.
I know what you're saying, but Church said "He's pretty crafty, like me." If what you said was true, then he is claiming that he, too, only has the occasional good idea and is usually unintelligent. Church is certainly not the type to purposely insult himself. Besides, this is two instances, which is more than enough.
Fine. Feel free to do so. But, if you do, I'll delete the whole section. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not being petty. I'm simply following your guidelines. You said we need more than two instances for proof. Well, the whole argument about Grif being unintellegint because he mispronounces words is based on only two instances, as well. Margain and both. That's two occurences, which, by your own admitance, is not enough. Therefore, the whole section is flawed.
Yea, I know. Look, I personally don't think that the section really belongs due to the fact that Grif's intellegence has never been a 'theme', like that of Caboose. I suppose that it seems more like fan opinion. I know he mispronounces words, but I don't think that makes hims any less intellegent. And he claims to not know what jogging is, but that would fit more into his charateristic of being lazy, not dumb. And, even if he's serious, that's just ignorance, which in no way reflects opinion. But, in any case, if you and the majority of fans feel that it belongs, then fine. But, we can't edit out things just because they contradict what's already there. We have to include all of the evidence. I guess that one could interprete what Church said to mean different things, but one could interprete things however they want, and that would be opinion. I'm trying to go off of what he said, and it was, quote, "That's the orange one. He's pretty crafty. He's a lot like me."
I pointed out how grif has shown initiative at moments such as in relocated, is that ok, as it does prove both his intelligence and his lack of it, along with his laziness, even though that was unintenional —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.157.136 ( talk) 17:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
In the part where it discusses Grif's relationship with Sarge, it states that Sarge hates Grif so that he claims he is a liar, even when what he says in true, for example, claiming the wulrus and puma aren't actual animals. Isn't it possible that Sarge is just dumb and that he honestly didn't know that those were real animals? Voicingmaster 02:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Every other Red vs Blue character page includes rank in the beginning of the article as well as the infobox, yet a mark-up note says not to do so. Is there a reason for this (other then it being a spoiler)? I undid such an edit just now (also due to the horrendous misspelling of sergeant) but I still think it should be discussed. And if it's exclusion from the beginning of the article is due to it being a spoiler, when would be an acceptable date to include it? Phoenixmuffin ( talk) 11:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I just made an edit which I think should satisfy everyone, making mention of his most known rank and current rank (albeit the current rank being mentioned first). Keep or revert? Discuss. Phoenixmuffin ( talk) 00:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I would have done something like that, but I just couldn't think of a non-awkward way to mention it so early in the introduction. Phoenixmuffin ( talk) 00:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
he's been demoted so i dont think there is much point -- Vitual aelita ( talk) 15:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
to Minor Junior Private negative first class, right? --Urnoob —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.76.206 ( talk) 07:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Grif's current title is this, after being demoted by Agent Washingtonin exchange for a favor. Can this please be cleaned up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.53.135.31 ( talk) 02:27, 5 April 2010 (UTC)