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This article should probably have a disambiguation page; "Grey Gardens" is the name of the estate, as well as the title of the documentary and also the title of a Rufus Wainwright song that alludes to it. MrDarwin 13:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
The HBO film should have its own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.234.22 ( talk) 10:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
IMDB and Netflix list this film as 1975. Can anyone provide a citation for it's production/release year? - Special-T 03:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The film was premiered in October 1975 in New York. Edie Beale attended the premiere. This is according to Jonathan B. Vogels' book "The Direct Cinema of David and Albert Maysles". I think it would be an excellent starting point for citations. - Rotoshake 07:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be some sort of mention of the enormous cult following of this film? Mdell27 11:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
There should be. Gaby ( talk) 06:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
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I added a link to this page and it was subsequently deleted.
The link is to the Grey Gardens Discussion Group & Message Board (www.ggdiscussion.com).
It is not a commercial site, and is the only site on the Internet where fans of the Grey Gardens documentary can go to discuss this film with other fans. A link to this relevant, informative website deserves to be included in this Wikipedia page.
Zolarthegreat ( talk) 01:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
I removed several website links - one is to an online discussion group, doesn't meet WP:EL standards. The other two were to websites about two people who had ties to the Beales. Not reliable info, not that relevant, badly written, and the sites seem to have been constructed to solicit information about these people. Not exactly a resource. - Special-T ( talk) 02:48, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi, it seems that most of the description of the house in the section "Grey Gardens" is lifted from this site: http://www.easthamptonhistory.org/events/greygardens08-info2.html . Should this be rewritten or cited? 18.173.1.125 ( talk) 15:53, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't the statement: 'The film was ranked number two by the World Film Academy in its "100 Greatest Documentaries of the 20th Century"' in the first paragraph be referenced? I cannot find any information on the "World Film Academy" or to the ranked list mentioned above, except with reference to this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.150.237.78 ( talk) 14:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Oxymoron? — Tamfang ( talk) 07:08, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, an oxymoron. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.192.35.125 ( talk) 18:58, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
My thoughts exactly. There is no such thing as a "reclusive socialite". You can be one, you can be the other, but not both. Suggest changing it to "reclusive FORMER socialites". 96.58.189.189 ( talk) 00:38, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Referenced in Battleground S.1 episode 9 (show produced by Hulu) at approx 5:05. An office has been vandalized and is in complete disarray, and a character makes the comment "Looks like Grey Gardens in here". I'm not certain about the deeper subtleties of the Grey Garden thing (just googled "grey Gardens") so I figured someone else should check it out.
I'm sending out a generalized request to include (if deemed worthy) to the section "References in Other Works: Music" for composer/songwriter Aaron Robinson who wrote the soundtrack for "Ghosts of Grey Gardens" that is also included on the album "La Belle Epoque". You can reference several titles including "Grey Gardens", "Waltz for Little Edie", "Big Edie", "The Marble Faun" that are quite popular. I am too unfamiliar with including musical credits within articles to edit this myself, but I am familiar with the subject in question to pose the connection. I hope someone can include the references and citations. Thanks.
maineartists ( talk) 12:24, 07 October 2014 (UTC)
We'd want to show the notability of the work for inclusion here. WikkanWitch ( talk) 13:14, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
maineartists ( talk) 07:03, 08 October 2014 (UTC)
On Wikipedia, notability is highly subjective, but there are guidelines for determining whether a subject is notable. Check out WP:N for more information. In general, it can be assumed that the presence of an article on a subject shows that it has been determined by the community to be notable (although this can change, and an article can be removed for not being notable). Because there is not article on "Six Gallery", the inclusion of their song is not notable, so I removed it from the list. Because In the Shadows of Grey Gardens does not fit this requirement, its soundtrack likely does not warrant inclusion in the list. Hope this helps! Other editors, please weigh in as well! WikkanWitch ( talk) 16:21, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
maineartists ( talk) 09:04, 09 October 2014 (UTC)
I am starting this section as a discussion regarding the notability for inclusion of Walter Newkirk's CD Little Edie Live! A Visit to Grey Gardens and his scrapbook memoir MemoraBEALEia as I believe it to be not in keeping with Wikipedia standards. My reasons for raising this topic for discussion are as follows:
I strongly recommend that this be removed for the above reasons; or at least encourage a discussion to support its remaining within the article. -- maineartists ( talk) 04:28, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
I'd also add the mentions of A Few Small Repairs by David Robson and Little Edie & The Marble Faun by David Lally to the list of works to remove from this page. They seem to lack the criteria for notability, as well as any references. Additionally, "loosely based" and "inspired by" this work and others seem too tangental for inclusion. – WikkanWitch ( talk) 21:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Susan Froemke was removed from the credits as an editor in a revision made at 22:20, 22 October 2014, by "10222014B". There was no attribution whatsoever, and it contradicts several sources, including the official website of the film itself. The user also said, without citation, that Froemke had not in fact worked as an editor on the film. The same scurrilous remark appears in the film's "Trivia" section on IMDB, and I have asked that site to either attribute it or remove it. Ridiculous. Lisztmacher ( talk) 11:12, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Since having created a separate article relating to Lois Wright I wonder if such an article would be warranted to represent the remaining participant: Jerry Torre - not yet published on Wikipedia. I've started this discussion here to consider the notability of the subject. He starred in both Grey Gardens and The Beales of Grey Gardens. He has had a full length documentary made about his life entitled: The Marble Faun of Grey Gardens and his character was portrayed in the musical Grey Gardens. Among other interesting facts pertaining to his life, he is an accomplished artist who has been written about in several established magazines and newspapers such as The New Yorker, The New York Times, Newsday, The Huffington Post, among others. I welcome a discussion regarding this subject. Thank you. Maineartists ( talk) 13:10, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello. I have recently created the page: Jerry Torre "The Marble Faun" in keeping with the participants in this film: Edith Bouvier Beale, Edith Ewing Bouvier Beale, and Lois Wright. I thought it only fair. I have tried my best, after diligently gathering all notable and reliable sources, to create a worthy WP article in keeping with the other three articles. I would appreciate a fresh set of eyes, however, as it is not patrolled at present. You may find the page here: [1] Thank you. Maineartists ( talk) 21:23, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
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I came here from the Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Masters_of_Cinema_releases_(2nd_nomination) afd discussion, since this film is on that list and I wanted to see if Masters of Cinema played any part in the article, including categories. I remembered the title from reading years ago that this film was notable for showing the juxtaposition between Jackie O and her relatives. The info about their relation was buried in the background section, below the lede and even below the cast. Since this is a main reason why the film got so much attention, I added a sentence to the lede, which was quickly reverted. My edit is here [ [2]]. I'm opening a friendly discussion about why this info should or shouldn't be more prominent in the lede. My rationale: I think you'd be hard pressed to find any coverage of the film that doesn't make the relationship with Jackie O the main thrust. You can Google the title and read the opening sentences mentioning Jackie O in the top Google results. Jackie O is mentioned in the Guardian even before the names of the subjects [ [3]]. The first sentence here mentions the relationship [ [4]]. PBS mentions Jackie O right off the bat [ [5]] Jackie O was even the original subject of the movie [ [6]]. Early mention here as well [ [7]] Indeed, I can only find one article in mainstream coverage that doesn't mention Jackie O [ [8]]. It's not WP:UNDUE - I'll argue it's a critical theme of the movie, prominently featured in almost every piece of coverage. Pinging Maineartists, the editor who reverted me. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:36, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Reference 7 ( https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-28602506) doesn't link to any relevant information about this film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.116.156.60 ( talk) 18:42, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
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This article should probably have a disambiguation page; "Grey Gardens" is the name of the estate, as well as the title of the documentary and also the title of a Rufus Wainwright song that alludes to it. MrDarwin 13:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
The HBO film should have its own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.234.22 ( talk) 10:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
IMDB and Netflix list this film as 1975. Can anyone provide a citation for it's production/release year? - Special-T 03:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The film was premiered in October 1975 in New York. Edie Beale attended the premiere. This is according to Jonathan B. Vogels' book "The Direct Cinema of David and Albert Maysles". I think it would be an excellent starting point for citations. - Rotoshake 07:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be some sort of mention of the enormous cult following of this film? Mdell27 11:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
There should be. Gaby ( talk) 06:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
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I added a link to this page and it was subsequently deleted.
The link is to the Grey Gardens Discussion Group & Message Board (www.ggdiscussion.com).
It is not a commercial site, and is the only site on the Internet where fans of the Grey Gardens documentary can go to discuss this film with other fans. A link to this relevant, informative website deserves to be included in this Wikipedia page.
Zolarthegreat ( talk) 01:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
I removed several website links - one is to an online discussion group, doesn't meet WP:EL standards. The other two were to websites about two people who had ties to the Beales. Not reliable info, not that relevant, badly written, and the sites seem to have been constructed to solicit information about these people. Not exactly a resource. - Special-T ( talk) 02:48, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi, it seems that most of the description of the house in the section "Grey Gardens" is lifted from this site: http://www.easthamptonhistory.org/events/greygardens08-info2.html . Should this be rewritten or cited? 18.173.1.125 ( talk) 15:53, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't the statement: 'The film was ranked number two by the World Film Academy in its "100 Greatest Documentaries of the 20th Century"' in the first paragraph be referenced? I cannot find any information on the "World Film Academy" or to the ranked list mentioned above, except with reference to this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.150.237.78 ( talk) 14:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Oxymoron? — Tamfang ( talk) 07:08, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, an oxymoron. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.192.35.125 ( talk) 18:58, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
My thoughts exactly. There is no such thing as a "reclusive socialite". You can be one, you can be the other, but not both. Suggest changing it to "reclusive FORMER socialites". 96.58.189.189 ( talk) 00:38, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Referenced in Battleground S.1 episode 9 (show produced by Hulu) at approx 5:05. An office has been vandalized and is in complete disarray, and a character makes the comment "Looks like Grey Gardens in here". I'm not certain about the deeper subtleties of the Grey Garden thing (just googled "grey Gardens") so I figured someone else should check it out.
I'm sending out a generalized request to include (if deemed worthy) to the section "References in Other Works: Music" for composer/songwriter Aaron Robinson who wrote the soundtrack for "Ghosts of Grey Gardens" that is also included on the album "La Belle Epoque". You can reference several titles including "Grey Gardens", "Waltz for Little Edie", "Big Edie", "The Marble Faun" that are quite popular. I am too unfamiliar with including musical credits within articles to edit this myself, but I am familiar with the subject in question to pose the connection. I hope someone can include the references and citations. Thanks.
maineartists ( talk) 12:24, 07 October 2014 (UTC)
We'd want to show the notability of the work for inclusion here. WikkanWitch ( talk) 13:14, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
maineartists ( talk) 07:03, 08 October 2014 (UTC)
On Wikipedia, notability is highly subjective, but there are guidelines for determining whether a subject is notable. Check out WP:N for more information. In general, it can be assumed that the presence of an article on a subject shows that it has been determined by the community to be notable (although this can change, and an article can be removed for not being notable). Because there is not article on "Six Gallery", the inclusion of their song is not notable, so I removed it from the list. Because In the Shadows of Grey Gardens does not fit this requirement, its soundtrack likely does not warrant inclusion in the list. Hope this helps! Other editors, please weigh in as well! WikkanWitch ( talk) 16:21, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
maineartists ( talk) 09:04, 09 October 2014 (UTC)
I am starting this section as a discussion regarding the notability for inclusion of Walter Newkirk's CD Little Edie Live! A Visit to Grey Gardens and his scrapbook memoir MemoraBEALEia as I believe it to be not in keeping with Wikipedia standards. My reasons for raising this topic for discussion are as follows:
I strongly recommend that this be removed for the above reasons; or at least encourage a discussion to support its remaining within the article. -- maineartists ( talk) 04:28, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
I'd also add the mentions of A Few Small Repairs by David Robson and Little Edie & The Marble Faun by David Lally to the list of works to remove from this page. They seem to lack the criteria for notability, as well as any references. Additionally, "loosely based" and "inspired by" this work and others seem too tangental for inclusion. – WikkanWitch ( talk) 21:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Susan Froemke was removed from the credits as an editor in a revision made at 22:20, 22 October 2014, by "10222014B". There was no attribution whatsoever, and it contradicts several sources, including the official website of the film itself. The user also said, without citation, that Froemke had not in fact worked as an editor on the film. The same scurrilous remark appears in the film's "Trivia" section on IMDB, and I have asked that site to either attribute it or remove it. Ridiculous. Lisztmacher ( talk) 11:12, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Since having created a separate article relating to Lois Wright I wonder if such an article would be warranted to represent the remaining participant: Jerry Torre - not yet published on Wikipedia. I've started this discussion here to consider the notability of the subject. He starred in both Grey Gardens and The Beales of Grey Gardens. He has had a full length documentary made about his life entitled: The Marble Faun of Grey Gardens and his character was portrayed in the musical Grey Gardens. Among other interesting facts pertaining to his life, he is an accomplished artist who has been written about in several established magazines and newspapers such as The New Yorker, The New York Times, Newsday, The Huffington Post, among others. I welcome a discussion regarding this subject. Thank you. Maineartists ( talk) 13:10, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello. I have recently created the page: Jerry Torre "The Marble Faun" in keeping with the participants in this film: Edith Bouvier Beale, Edith Ewing Bouvier Beale, and Lois Wright. I thought it only fair. I have tried my best, after diligently gathering all notable and reliable sources, to create a worthy WP article in keeping with the other three articles. I would appreciate a fresh set of eyes, however, as it is not patrolled at present. You may find the page here: [1] Thank you. Maineartists ( talk) 21:23, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
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I came here from the Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Masters_of_Cinema_releases_(2nd_nomination) afd discussion, since this film is on that list and I wanted to see if Masters of Cinema played any part in the article, including categories. I remembered the title from reading years ago that this film was notable for showing the juxtaposition between Jackie O and her relatives. The info about their relation was buried in the background section, below the lede and even below the cast. Since this is a main reason why the film got so much attention, I added a sentence to the lede, which was quickly reverted. My edit is here [ [2]]. I'm opening a friendly discussion about why this info should or shouldn't be more prominent in the lede. My rationale: I think you'd be hard pressed to find any coverage of the film that doesn't make the relationship with Jackie O the main thrust. You can Google the title and read the opening sentences mentioning Jackie O in the top Google results. Jackie O is mentioned in the Guardian even before the names of the subjects [ [3]]. The first sentence here mentions the relationship [ [4]]. PBS mentions Jackie O right off the bat [ [5]] Jackie O was even the original subject of the movie [ [6]]. Early mention here as well [ [7]] Indeed, I can only find one article in mainstream coverage that doesn't mention Jackie O [ [8]]. It's not WP:UNDUE - I'll argue it's a critical theme of the movie, prominently featured in almost every piece of coverage. Pinging Maineartists, the editor who reverted me. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:36, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Reference 7 ( https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-28602506) doesn't link to any relevant information about this film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.116.156.60 ( talk) 18:42, 20 March 2022 (UTC)