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How could this be. She was born in 1955, so she probably graduated high school in 1973, meaning that here twentieth high school reunion was in 1993. Did she really say thirtieth?? ( Rogerd 17:41, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC))
Can somebody mention her educational and career background? -Amit
I think it's worthwhile to say that she has recently devoted a lot of time to the Natalee Holloway case (as mentioned in the Halloway article), in a case of the Missing White Women Syndrome Xunflash 17:26, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
It is a shame that the largest paragraph in this article is devoted to Ms. Susteren's face. Wikismile 13:44, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
"accusations" and "alleged" I suggest is overboard on discussion of facial surgery. She was under a surgeon's knife, not a judge's gavel..." Could we change that?
"somewhat plain". I guess some may say that I never got that impression. I would suggest that she has a "pointed" way of addressing her guests. Also, isn't she an attorney? She is a graduate of the University of Wisconsin, but I dont know if she did law there. Kyle Andrew Brown 23:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
-hey dude, "somewhat plain" was meant to apply to her physical appearance, not on-air personality. I consider her a knock-out, but to each his own. But I have no problem with the use of that term in this article.
"scientologists". I'm thinking of all the tv commentators who are Christians, and Catholics and Jewish and this is generally not included in a bio of this nature. I wonder the appropriateness of this entry. If she used scientology as an issue in her public personna, then perhaps, but I kinda think this is not related to her career. Comment please. Kyle Andrew Brown 14:52, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
-me again. Hard to say whether it is appropriate. Certainly her religion isn't relevanlt to her public persona, and in many such cases celebs' religion is not identified. However, there is a current trend in the media to cover celebrities who are scientologists; in this aspect identifying her is just following what currently interests pop culture. Pop culture interests can be appropriate to articles.
"Why is her face distorted? It is like she has had a stroke that makes the muscles on one side weak? Perhaps some sort of brain damage?" That's the Van Susteren smirk, well-known in the family. It is the smile of bemusement that THEY ALL USE. Urban had it. Her cousins have it. Even her second cousins have it. It's not a distortion at all, just a facial expression.
Does she have morbid ocd. She beat laci peterson and Natalie Holloway to death like there is nothing else to talk about of stories that are not particualry national stories.
Why is no mention made that she is a Scientologist? It seems a little incongruent given the fact she is supposed to be an "intelligent" talk show host. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.4.70.65 ( talk • contribs).
Can we get a better reference for this? There must be something out there and the current citation is to a webpage that looks like it was made by a junior high student. I know her religion has been mocked by The Daily Show (not that such would be an appropriate reference), so I'm inclined to think there might actually be a reputable source out there. Editor Emeritus 04:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Let's look at all the other Fox, CNN, MSNBC anchors and see if their religion is listed. Kyle Andrew Brown ( talk) 19:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Greta Van Susteren graduated from Xavier High School (Appleton, Wisconsin) in 1972.This should be put in. Also I came across this website which Greta Van Susteren talked about her family.Her dad was a judge in Wisconsin and was very good friends with Senator Joseph McCarthy. http//www.classicalwisconsin.com/features/gretaletter.html Thank you RFD 23:31, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I think that something needs to be added about the fact that she garnered most of her fame due to the fact that she hosted a show during the Simpson trial in which she was vehemently against the prosecution of Simpson. It may very well have been a Devil's advocate opinion, nevertheless, this is how she really drew the spotlight to her. 66.146.212.184 02:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Isn't a picture showing her "before" cosmetic surgery face a bit, um, superfluous? I haven't noticed images like that on any of the thousands of other people who have undoubtedly had plastic surgery. And it's not even mentioned in the text! So why is it important enough to get an image? pfctdayelise ( translate?) 08:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Why not mention the fact that she rose from obscurity after her sanction for "ambulance chasing" following the ValueJet crash? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.227.204.93 ( talk • contribs).
why was it changed from "is a practicing scientologist" to "butt pirate?" But yet the link is still to scientologist? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.216.48.114 ( talk) 14:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
This line in particular strikes me as crossing the line into editorial territory: "Van Susteren tends to take a neutral stance and allows her regular guest panelists to slug it out. She tends to ask detailed, probing questions, in the manner of a well-trained attorney trying to get the facts out."
I'm confused about the whole 1/8 French thing. Her paternal grandparents are Blindauer, Goenering, Hocs, and Van Susteren. Where does the French come in?
Greta van Susteren had her own Fox show and was relatively famous way before Natalie Holloway. I'll admit her coverage was rather excessive, but she didn't gain notoriety because of it. What the coverage did was really boost the ratings. Perhaps someone could change the line to reflect that instead. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ztrawhcs ( talk • contribs).
I don't get this line: >>In 2002, the Fox News Channel snagged her in a highly-publicized contract bidding war, which Van Susteren admitted included an incident where she was headed to New York to talk with Fox management when her flight was cancelled because of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.<<
-why would one have to "admit" being booked for a flight on September 11?? I had one cancelled that day too. Are we all suspects now? This is absurd.
Van Susteren has been cited before Congress by CEO of Fox News Channel's Parent Company Rupert Murdoch as an example of a left-leaning voice on the network.
either needs rewording or punctuation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.192.8.204 ( talk) 02:08:34, August 18, 2007 (UTC)
Why is this part of the Scientology project? ChildofMidnight ( talk) 19:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I have removed this as non notable for now. How widely was this covered and what is the context of this "material". -- Tom (talk) 13:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Thanks for the response(s). If this "material" is going to be introduced into the article, how can it be written in a NPOV way and also so that it "flows" well in the bio and is just not crammed in for its own sake? Also, does this go against undue weight as far as how much space is given to her career vs this "material"? Again, I don't know. Anyways, Tom (talk) 11:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
← I've looked this over and I agree with James - this is presented in a neutral manner, with appropriate weight. I also hope that more information be added about her legal career to round out the article, and this is a good start. Tvoz/ talk 05:05, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I have now actual read the Nov 1996 opinion of the West Viringia court, as distinct from a mere summary. The Washington firm of Allen, Coale, and Van Sustern had its hand slapped for soliciting tort business from a half dozen victims in West Va through a couple of overly aggressive "Rainmakers". The court decided that the firm was not (yet) regularly doing business in W Va, so that the Disciplinary Committee didn't have jurisdiction. They also asked for tightening of the rule under which the firm was cited because of other issues that the court held to be moot in this case because they had let the lawfirm off the hook. In my non-lawyerly judgement not at all equivalent to DUI, more like running a red light when the patrol car happened to be watching. Whillier ( talk) 00:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Whillier
I also question the appearance of the McCarthy bit, which refers to an era in which both sisters must have been kids. Either it belongs in both bios (Greta and Lise) or in neither. Whillier ( talk) 00:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Whillier
Is there a standard for the picture size? Maybe my monitor is too small :) Tom (talk) 04:05, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
The bio on Greta goes to some length to establish that the late Senator McCarthy lived in her father's home while he was a Senator.
The bio on her sister Lise merely says that father eventually broke with McCarthy.
The implication of the former is that Greta is the product of McCarthyism. The implcation of the latter is that her sister is not.
Since the sisters were presumably children, I am not sure how much of the McCarthy bit belongs in either bio BUT IT SHOULD BE THE SAME IN BOTH BIOS Whillier ( talk) 18:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)Whillier
The story about Van Susteren's interaction on an Amtrak train with Ana Marie Cox and an epi-pen is an amusing anecdote, but it is trivia - not at all notable for Van Susteren's bio which this article is supposed to be. Maybe it is relevant to Cox - it was her health that was in danger - but I don't see how this can be considered notable for Van Susteren. Please remember that while sourcing is required for inclusion, just being sourced does not necessarily make something notable for any particular article. The IP who added and re-added has not posted edit summary or any comments about why he or she thinks this is notable - I am open to discuss this, but just reverting it is not ok. Tvoz/ talk 01:28, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry to say this bio reads, to me, like a promotional biography, as if it were taken from Fox News. For instance, why does it need a long list of celebrated persons she has interviewed? Of course she has, she's a TV news person. There must be more substantial things to say about her and her career. Zaslav ( talk) 05:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
FYI: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/27/obama-attacks-fox-find-out-which-host-fired-back-here/ — Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 04:06, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Clearly some mention of her extensive coverage of this case is needed. She is probably more known for this than anything else. 68.188.25.170 ( talk) 16:21, 22 January 2011 (UTC) I agree, this and her plastic surgery are the two things she is most known for. Neither one are in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.130.18 ( talk) 23:16, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
I don't know enough about BLP or about journalism in general to say if this is notable, or to feel comfortable adding it, but I do think it speaks to a lack of professionalism. Greta commented on two tweets from what she called "the official" North Korean Twitter account, and wrote a piece about one of them on her website. The account in question is run by the Popehat. Greta later edited her post to acknowledge that the tweet and account "might" be a hoax, but said that since it reflects her ideas about NK, the sentiment is still legitimate...?
Popehat calls her out, and admits ownership of said account: http://www.popehat.com/2014/12/20/the-curious-case-of-the-t-v-attorney-and-twitter/
Anyway, I suppose we'll see if another news outlet publishes criticism of her methods, but this is what happened first. -- Sennsationalist ( talk) 16:51, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
How could this be. She was born in 1955, so she probably graduated high school in 1973, meaning that here twentieth high school reunion was in 1993. Did she really say thirtieth?? ( Rogerd 17:41, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC))
Can somebody mention her educational and career background? -Amit
I think it's worthwhile to say that she has recently devoted a lot of time to the Natalee Holloway case (as mentioned in the Halloway article), in a case of the Missing White Women Syndrome Xunflash 17:26, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
It is a shame that the largest paragraph in this article is devoted to Ms. Susteren's face. Wikismile 13:44, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
"accusations" and "alleged" I suggest is overboard on discussion of facial surgery. She was under a surgeon's knife, not a judge's gavel..." Could we change that?
"somewhat plain". I guess some may say that I never got that impression. I would suggest that she has a "pointed" way of addressing her guests. Also, isn't she an attorney? She is a graduate of the University of Wisconsin, but I dont know if she did law there. Kyle Andrew Brown 23:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
-hey dude, "somewhat plain" was meant to apply to her physical appearance, not on-air personality. I consider her a knock-out, but to each his own. But I have no problem with the use of that term in this article.
"scientologists". I'm thinking of all the tv commentators who are Christians, and Catholics and Jewish and this is generally not included in a bio of this nature. I wonder the appropriateness of this entry. If she used scientology as an issue in her public personna, then perhaps, but I kinda think this is not related to her career. Comment please. Kyle Andrew Brown 14:52, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
-me again. Hard to say whether it is appropriate. Certainly her religion isn't relevanlt to her public persona, and in many such cases celebs' religion is not identified. However, there is a current trend in the media to cover celebrities who are scientologists; in this aspect identifying her is just following what currently interests pop culture. Pop culture interests can be appropriate to articles.
"Why is her face distorted? It is like she has had a stroke that makes the muscles on one side weak? Perhaps some sort of brain damage?" That's the Van Susteren smirk, well-known in the family. It is the smile of bemusement that THEY ALL USE. Urban had it. Her cousins have it. Even her second cousins have it. It's not a distortion at all, just a facial expression.
Does she have morbid ocd. She beat laci peterson and Natalie Holloway to death like there is nothing else to talk about of stories that are not particualry national stories.
Why is no mention made that she is a Scientologist? It seems a little incongruent given the fact she is supposed to be an "intelligent" talk show host. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.4.70.65 ( talk • contribs).
Can we get a better reference for this? There must be something out there and the current citation is to a webpage that looks like it was made by a junior high student. I know her religion has been mocked by The Daily Show (not that such would be an appropriate reference), so I'm inclined to think there might actually be a reputable source out there. Editor Emeritus 04:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Let's look at all the other Fox, CNN, MSNBC anchors and see if their religion is listed. Kyle Andrew Brown ( talk) 19:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Greta Van Susteren graduated from Xavier High School (Appleton, Wisconsin) in 1972.This should be put in. Also I came across this website which Greta Van Susteren talked about her family.Her dad was a judge in Wisconsin and was very good friends with Senator Joseph McCarthy. http//www.classicalwisconsin.com/features/gretaletter.html Thank you RFD 23:31, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I think that something needs to be added about the fact that she garnered most of her fame due to the fact that she hosted a show during the Simpson trial in which she was vehemently against the prosecution of Simpson. It may very well have been a Devil's advocate opinion, nevertheless, this is how she really drew the spotlight to her. 66.146.212.184 02:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Isn't a picture showing her "before" cosmetic surgery face a bit, um, superfluous? I haven't noticed images like that on any of the thousands of other people who have undoubtedly had plastic surgery. And it's not even mentioned in the text! So why is it important enough to get an image? pfctdayelise ( translate?) 08:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Why not mention the fact that she rose from obscurity after her sanction for "ambulance chasing" following the ValueJet crash? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.227.204.93 ( talk • contribs).
why was it changed from "is a practicing scientologist" to "butt pirate?" But yet the link is still to scientologist? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.216.48.114 ( talk) 14:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
This line in particular strikes me as crossing the line into editorial territory: "Van Susteren tends to take a neutral stance and allows her regular guest panelists to slug it out. She tends to ask detailed, probing questions, in the manner of a well-trained attorney trying to get the facts out."
I'm confused about the whole 1/8 French thing. Her paternal grandparents are Blindauer, Goenering, Hocs, and Van Susteren. Where does the French come in?
Greta van Susteren had her own Fox show and was relatively famous way before Natalie Holloway. I'll admit her coverage was rather excessive, but she didn't gain notoriety because of it. What the coverage did was really boost the ratings. Perhaps someone could change the line to reflect that instead. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ztrawhcs ( talk • contribs).
I don't get this line: >>In 2002, the Fox News Channel snagged her in a highly-publicized contract bidding war, which Van Susteren admitted included an incident where she was headed to New York to talk with Fox management when her flight was cancelled because of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.<<
-why would one have to "admit" being booked for a flight on September 11?? I had one cancelled that day too. Are we all suspects now? This is absurd.
Van Susteren has been cited before Congress by CEO of Fox News Channel's Parent Company Rupert Murdoch as an example of a left-leaning voice on the network.
either needs rewording or punctuation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.192.8.204 ( talk) 02:08:34, August 18, 2007 (UTC)
Why is this part of the Scientology project? ChildofMidnight ( talk) 19:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I have removed this as non notable for now. How widely was this covered and what is the context of this "material". -- Tom (talk) 13:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Thanks for the response(s). If this "material" is going to be introduced into the article, how can it be written in a NPOV way and also so that it "flows" well in the bio and is just not crammed in for its own sake? Also, does this go against undue weight as far as how much space is given to her career vs this "material"? Again, I don't know. Anyways, Tom (talk) 11:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
← I've looked this over and I agree with James - this is presented in a neutral manner, with appropriate weight. I also hope that more information be added about her legal career to round out the article, and this is a good start. Tvoz/ talk 05:05, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I have now actual read the Nov 1996 opinion of the West Viringia court, as distinct from a mere summary. The Washington firm of Allen, Coale, and Van Sustern had its hand slapped for soliciting tort business from a half dozen victims in West Va through a couple of overly aggressive "Rainmakers". The court decided that the firm was not (yet) regularly doing business in W Va, so that the Disciplinary Committee didn't have jurisdiction. They also asked for tightening of the rule under which the firm was cited because of other issues that the court held to be moot in this case because they had let the lawfirm off the hook. In my non-lawyerly judgement not at all equivalent to DUI, more like running a red light when the patrol car happened to be watching. Whillier ( talk) 00:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Whillier
I also question the appearance of the McCarthy bit, which refers to an era in which both sisters must have been kids. Either it belongs in both bios (Greta and Lise) or in neither. Whillier ( talk) 00:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Whillier
Is there a standard for the picture size? Maybe my monitor is too small :) Tom (talk) 04:05, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
The bio on Greta goes to some length to establish that the late Senator McCarthy lived in her father's home while he was a Senator.
The bio on her sister Lise merely says that father eventually broke with McCarthy.
The implication of the former is that Greta is the product of McCarthyism. The implcation of the latter is that her sister is not.
Since the sisters were presumably children, I am not sure how much of the McCarthy bit belongs in either bio BUT IT SHOULD BE THE SAME IN BOTH BIOS Whillier ( talk) 18:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)Whillier
The story about Van Susteren's interaction on an Amtrak train with Ana Marie Cox and an epi-pen is an amusing anecdote, but it is trivia - not at all notable for Van Susteren's bio which this article is supposed to be. Maybe it is relevant to Cox - it was her health that was in danger - but I don't see how this can be considered notable for Van Susteren. Please remember that while sourcing is required for inclusion, just being sourced does not necessarily make something notable for any particular article. The IP who added and re-added has not posted edit summary or any comments about why he or she thinks this is notable - I am open to discuss this, but just reverting it is not ok. Tvoz/ talk 01:28, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry to say this bio reads, to me, like a promotional biography, as if it were taken from Fox News. For instance, why does it need a long list of celebrated persons she has interviewed? Of course she has, she's a TV news person. There must be more substantial things to say about her and her career. Zaslav ( talk) 05:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
FYI: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/27/obama-attacks-fox-find-out-which-host-fired-back-here/ — Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 04:06, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Clearly some mention of her extensive coverage of this case is needed. She is probably more known for this than anything else. 68.188.25.170 ( talk) 16:21, 22 January 2011 (UTC) I agree, this and her plastic surgery are the two things she is most known for. Neither one are in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.130.18 ( talk) 23:16, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
I don't know enough about BLP or about journalism in general to say if this is notable, or to feel comfortable adding it, but I do think it speaks to a lack of professionalism. Greta commented on two tweets from what she called "the official" North Korean Twitter account, and wrote a piece about one of them on her website. The account in question is run by the Popehat. Greta later edited her post to acknowledge that the tweet and account "might" be a hoax, but said that since it reflects her ideas about NK, the sentiment is still legitimate...?
Popehat calls her out, and admits ownership of said account: http://www.popehat.com/2014/12/20/the-curious-case-of-the-t-v-attorney-and-twitter/
Anyway, I suppose we'll see if another news outlet publishes criticism of her methods, but this is what happened first. -- Sennsationalist ( talk) 16:51, 20 December 2014 (UTC)