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From the article: The Greeks then founded the city of Taxila. Are there any sources for this? From what I know, Taxila (or Takshashila as it was called) was a city that had already been there for quite long before Alexander came to India.
Did Alexander really 'conqure' India?
An alternative view by Prof. Dinesh Agrawal which refutes the view that Alexander won any war on Indian soil:
http://sify.com/itihaas/fullstory.php?id=13225593
That is a pseudo-historical site. You can check out any of the ancient sources which he refers to, none of them supports this rambling in the least. Then of course, Alexander did not conquer India in its modern sense, being restricted to Punjab in the north-west corner. Sponsianus 01:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
This article is redundant. The material is already discussed at length under the Alexander and Indo Greek articles. There is no "Persian Conquests in Greece" article. This article should be deleted.
Devanampriya ( talk) 03:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Since it has been 8months since I have posted this remark, sufficient time has passed for me to nominate this for deletion.
Devanampriya ( talk) 15:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Why is the word conquest used instead of invasion? 116.50.60.180 ( talk) 07:17, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
In the section, Conquests of Alexander The Great (327–326 BC), there are no references cited in the section. Are there any sources that support the facts for this section? Jballs0311 ( talk) 01:39, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 05:03, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Greek conquests in India → Greeks in India – The more suitable name for this wikipedia page is Greeks in India. This proposed title is similar to other existing wikipedia pages such as Greeks in Egypt and Greeks in Italy, etc. Furthermore, the Ottoman conquest of Greece is titled Ottoman Greece instead of using a charged narrative. The present title does not differentiate the different campaigns and has a weak grouping. The only shared similarities is the diaspora in South Asia, which is covered in the proposed title. Additionally the present title is also disputed by other users in the talk page, as conquests should be seen as invasions. Since the Seleucid Empire lost more land after the conclusion of the Seleucid-Maurya War, it should be regarded as a failed invasion instead of a glorified conquest. The titles current narrative does not fit all of the contents in the page. Instead of disputing the difference of invasions and conquest, the title should be less charged and follow the precedence set by other wikipedia pages. Vajra Raja ( talk) 02:00, 31 December 2020 (UTC) Vajra Raja ( talk) 02:00, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Greek campaigns in India — there's consensus to move, but to "India" and not "the Indian Subcontinent". ( non-admin closure) Tol | talk | contribs 22:41, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Greek conquests in India →
Greek campaigns in the Indian Subcontinent – This page should be titled Greek campaigns in the Indian Subcontinent. The contents of this page generally refers to the campaigns of various Hellenistic entities, not all of them directly resulted in conquests. Starting with Alexander the Great, he is certainly credited for conquering up to the Beas River during his illustrious campaigns. Seleucid however ceded vast expanses of land in the Seleucid-Maurya War, this campaign ultimately resulted in a loss instead of a conquest. Of the Indo-Greeks, Demetrius is noted for being a conquer while Menander was an expansionist during their campaigns, the other recorded kings either maintained or ceded land. This nomenclature is supported by both historical and scholarly references. The ancient Greek historian Arrian compiled the The Anabasis of Alexander or Campaigns of Alexander. This is the most reliable historical account of the ordeal and refers to Alexanders campaigns. It includes the vast territorial conquest during Alexanders campaigns, but also other details such as mutiny. Other references and even the wiki page refers to this as
Campaigns of Alexander and the
Indian campaign of Alexander the Great respectively. Even though Alexander's campaigns and successes are synonymous with conquest, that was just the outcome of his campaigns. This seemingly small difference is more profound in the other examples. Sir
William Woodthorpe Tarn wrote extensively on the history of Greeks in India, and is one of the most referenced modern works on this subject. In in his work The Greeks in Bactria & India pg 131 Tarn stated "The Greek 'conquest' of India was hardly a conquest in the ordinary sense of the word, the sense in which Alexander conquered Persia". When addressing the Indo-Greeks Tarn notes that Demetrius led conquests during the early stages of his campaigns. Menander expanded the Indo-Greek domain to its extant but this annexation was far more complex due to welcoming alliances. Furthermore the other Indo-Greek rulers assimilated and governed in individual poleis or joined local republics during their campaigns and assimilated. Sir William Woodthorpe Tarn was deliberate to differentiate the different campaigns and their results, thus opposed to a general use of conquest on this subject. Using the current title is limiting and it is not entirely accurate as it brushes over historical details. A google search for Greek conquests in India specifically results to this Wikipedia page and not scholarly or historical works supporting the grouping. Comparatively, there are more literature and scholarly references to the various Greek campaigns in India such as Sir William Tarn's works. Using campaigns is not only more accurate, but it is also more credible as compared to this Wikipedia being the primary reference. Furthermore, I believe that this page should ideally use Indian Subcontinent instead of India, as most of these campaigns occurred in the Greater Punjab region which includes modern day Pakistan.
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From the article: The Greeks then founded the city of Taxila. Are there any sources for this? From what I know, Taxila (or Takshashila as it was called) was a city that had already been there for quite long before Alexander came to India.
Did Alexander really 'conqure' India?
An alternative view by Prof. Dinesh Agrawal which refutes the view that Alexander won any war on Indian soil:
http://sify.com/itihaas/fullstory.php?id=13225593
That is a pseudo-historical site. You can check out any of the ancient sources which he refers to, none of them supports this rambling in the least. Then of course, Alexander did not conquer India in its modern sense, being restricted to Punjab in the north-west corner. Sponsianus 01:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
This article is redundant. The material is already discussed at length under the Alexander and Indo Greek articles. There is no "Persian Conquests in Greece" article. This article should be deleted.
Devanampriya ( talk) 03:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Since it has been 8months since I have posted this remark, sufficient time has passed for me to nominate this for deletion.
Devanampriya ( talk) 15:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Why is the word conquest used instead of invasion? 116.50.60.180 ( talk) 07:17, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
In the section, Conquests of Alexander The Great (327–326 BC), there are no references cited in the section. Are there any sources that support the facts for this section? Jballs0311 ( talk) 01:39, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 05:03, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Greek conquests in India → Greeks in India – The more suitable name for this wikipedia page is Greeks in India. This proposed title is similar to other existing wikipedia pages such as Greeks in Egypt and Greeks in Italy, etc. Furthermore, the Ottoman conquest of Greece is titled Ottoman Greece instead of using a charged narrative. The present title does not differentiate the different campaigns and has a weak grouping. The only shared similarities is the diaspora in South Asia, which is covered in the proposed title. Additionally the present title is also disputed by other users in the talk page, as conquests should be seen as invasions. Since the Seleucid Empire lost more land after the conclusion of the Seleucid-Maurya War, it should be regarded as a failed invasion instead of a glorified conquest. The titles current narrative does not fit all of the contents in the page. Instead of disputing the difference of invasions and conquest, the title should be less charged and follow the precedence set by other wikipedia pages. Vajra Raja ( talk) 02:00, 31 December 2020 (UTC) Vajra Raja ( talk) 02:00, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Greek campaigns in India — there's consensus to move, but to "India" and not "the Indian Subcontinent". ( non-admin closure) Tol | talk | contribs 22:41, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Greek conquests in India →
Greek campaigns in the Indian Subcontinent – This page should be titled Greek campaigns in the Indian Subcontinent. The contents of this page generally refers to the campaigns of various Hellenistic entities, not all of them directly resulted in conquests. Starting with Alexander the Great, he is certainly credited for conquering up to the Beas River during his illustrious campaigns. Seleucid however ceded vast expanses of land in the Seleucid-Maurya War, this campaign ultimately resulted in a loss instead of a conquest. Of the Indo-Greeks, Demetrius is noted for being a conquer while Menander was an expansionist during their campaigns, the other recorded kings either maintained or ceded land. This nomenclature is supported by both historical and scholarly references. The ancient Greek historian Arrian compiled the The Anabasis of Alexander or Campaigns of Alexander. This is the most reliable historical account of the ordeal and refers to Alexanders campaigns. It includes the vast territorial conquest during Alexanders campaigns, but also other details such as mutiny. Other references and even the wiki page refers to this as
Campaigns of Alexander and the
Indian campaign of Alexander the Great respectively. Even though Alexander's campaigns and successes are synonymous with conquest, that was just the outcome of his campaigns. This seemingly small difference is more profound in the other examples. Sir
William Woodthorpe Tarn wrote extensively on the history of Greeks in India, and is one of the most referenced modern works on this subject. In in his work The Greeks in Bactria & India pg 131 Tarn stated "The Greek 'conquest' of India was hardly a conquest in the ordinary sense of the word, the sense in which Alexander conquered Persia". When addressing the Indo-Greeks Tarn notes that Demetrius led conquests during the early stages of his campaigns. Menander expanded the Indo-Greek domain to its extant but this annexation was far more complex due to welcoming alliances. Furthermore the other Indo-Greek rulers assimilated and governed in individual poleis or joined local republics during their campaigns and assimilated. Sir William Woodthorpe Tarn was deliberate to differentiate the different campaigns and their results, thus opposed to a general use of conquest on this subject. Using the current title is limiting and it is not entirely accurate as it brushes over historical details. A google search for Greek conquests in India specifically results to this Wikipedia page and not scholarly or historical works supporting the grouping. Comparatively, there are more literature and scholarly references to the various Greek campaigns in India such as Sir William Tarn's works. Using campaigns is not only more accurate, but it is also more credible as compared to this Wikipedia being the primary reference. Furthermore, I believe that this page should ideally use Indian Subcontinent instead of India, as most of these campaigns occurred in the Greater Punjab region which includes modern day Pakistan.
Vajra Raja (
talk)
20:49, 27 May 2021 (UTC)