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Faisal I of Iraq is listed as having briefly been "King of Greater Syria" - can someone with knowledge detail the physical kingdom here? Timrollpickering 10:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I still don't understand why there is an article about the same thing, just with a title in another language. Shouldn't they be merged? Funkynusayri 11:43, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Umm, how can we be classifying a legitimate historical-geographical term as "irredentist" based solely on its present day association with Syrian irredentism? Do we apply the same standards to, say, Judea and Samaria or Eretz Yisrael? Obviously, we should mention the irredentist / expansionist claims made by the SSNP and others, but calling the term "Greater Syria" irredendist in itself is a stretch bordering on using Wikipedia as a soapbox. < eleland/ talk edits> 05:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The Sham and Greater Syria articles should be merged. They are two names for the same thing. HD1986 ( talk) 04:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
this is not just greater syria it <s with the regions that Assyrians lived 2000 years ago
Thanks for the map
Actually, the map is rather inappropriate on its own. One major modern relevance of the concept of Greater Syria is to the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, notably its influence on early Palestinian nationalism. To show 'historic Syria' undifferentiated from Iraq gives the wrong impression, in that the real commercial and landholding historical linkages between Syria, Palestine and Lebanon are subsumed under a much wider and purely political project. Agathias of Aeolis 05:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
The user above is correct this wiki page is a bit mixed up in regards to terminology. The Sham does not include Iraq (& Kuwait). Sham, Iraq & Kuwait make up ancient Assyria and its dominions, which is not the Sham. Mazighe ( talk) 08:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
i suggest the article to be removed since there no reference whatsoever for its main argument/claim: that all these territories are claimed by the ssnp, the map on top of this is even more ridicilous: somebody took the effort to make this without stating what it is based on? how hard is it to reference something like this? 78.29.210.205 ( talk) 12:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Technically speaking, the term "irredentist" can't be applied to the SSNP for several reasons:
HD86 ( talk) 10:43, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
The whole section on the SSNP's map of Greater Syria contains no citations. Moreover, the borders of every nation surrounding "Greater Syria" as envisioned by the SSNP have been altered without explanation. There are also regions (e.g. Antalya in Western Turkey) that have been separately delineated. It is unclear what these territories are meant to represent in relation to "Greater Syria". This map has been removed from the SSNP main article because of this. If the albeit unreferenced section on the geography of "Greater Syria" as proposed by the SSNP is to have a map, the image should be revised to only include changes to the political map of the countries that are referenced in the section. Nakhoda84 —Preceding undated comment added 20:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC).
Your understanding of Greater Syria is flawed. Greater Syria doesn't correlate exactly with the land borders of it's constituent Sykes-Picot defined countries. The borders are defined by the crests of the Taurus and Zagros Mountain ranges, and the Arabian desert, which form a natural, topographical delineation between Turkey, Persia and Arabia respectively. The inclusion of a map of Greater Syria in this article is essential and the map you removed should be readded. 94.192.38.247 ( talk) 01:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
The map that was posted was concerned with national borders, not a historical region. Specifically, it was concerned with early proposals of a unified Syrian state, a unification of states that were created as a result of the Sykes-Picot Agreement, but it had flaws (see first comment). -- Nakhoda84 ( talk) 03:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Does Kuwait consider part of greater syria ??? I cant beleive it, I always hear from them that they consider themselves as part of the gulf, not greater syria. SeMiTiC
Kuwait was historically part of the Basra Province, ie. historically part of Iraq/Mesopotamia. K'Anpo ( talk) 12:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Modern-day "Southeastern Turkey" is a vital part of hisoric Syria. At the Paris peace Conference, Diyarbakir Province was claimed. These claims went ignored by the Great Powers of course.
Soapboxing removed. Please keep comments civil and about the article. Wikipedia is not a forum. Thank you. K'Anpo ( talk) 12:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Faisal I of Iraq is listed as having briefly been "King of Greater Syria" - can someone with knowledge detail the physical kingdom here? Timrollpickering 10:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I still don't understand why there is an article about the same thing, just with a title in another language. Shouldn't they be merged? Funkynusayri 11:43, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Umm, how can we be classifying a legitimate historical-geographical term as "irredentist" based solely on its present day association with Syrian irredentism? Do we apply the same standards to, say, Judea and Samaria or Eretz Yisrael? Obviously, we should mention the irredentist / expansionist claims made by the SSNP and others, but calling the term "Greater Syria" irredendist in itself is a stretch bordering on using Wikipedia as a soapbox. < eleland/ talk edits> 05:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The Sham and Greater Syria articles should be merged. They are two names for the same thing. HD1986 ( talk) 04:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
this is not just greater syria it <s with the regions that Assyrians lived 2000 years ago
Thanks for the map
Actually, the map is rather inappropriate on its own. One major modern relevance of the concept of Greater Syria is to the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, notably its influence on early Palestinian nationalism. To show 'historic Syria' undifferentiated from Iraq gives the wrong impression, in that the real commercial and landholding historical linkages between Syria, Palestine and Lebanon are subsumed under a much wider and purely political project. Agathias of Aeolis 05:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
The user above is correct this wiki page is a bit mixed up in regards to terminology. The Sham does not include Iraq (& Kuwait). Sham, Iraq & Kuwait make up ancient Assyria and its dominions, which is not the Sham. Mazighe ( talk) 08:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
i suggest the article to be removed since there no reference whatsoever for its main argument/claim: that all these territories are claimed by the ssnp, the map on top of this is even more ridicilous: somebody took the effort to make this without stating what it is based on? how hard is it to reference something like this? 78.29.210.205 ( talk) 12:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Technically speaking, the term "irredentist" can't be applied to the SSNP for several reasons:
HD86 ( talk) 10:43, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
The whole section on the SSNP's map of Greater Syria contains no citations. Moreover, the borders of every nation surrounding "Greater Syria" as envisioned by the SSNP have been altered without explanation. There are also regions (e.g. Antalya in Western Turkey) that have been separately delineated. It is unclear what these territories are meant to represent in relation to "Greater Syria". This map has been removed from the SSNP main article because of this. If the albeit unreferenced section on the geography of "Greater Syria" as proposed by the SSNP is to have a map, the image should be revised to only include changes to the political map of the countries that are referenced in the section. Nakhoda84 —Preceding undated comment added 20:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC).
Your understanding of Greater Syria is flawed. Greater Syria doesn't correlate exactly with the land borders of it's constituent Sykes-Picot defined countries. The borders are defined by the crests of the Taurus and Zagros Mountain ranges, and the Arabian desert, which form a natural, topographical delineation between Turkey, Persia and Arabia respectively. The inclusion of a map of Greater Syria in this article is essential and the map you removed should be readded. 94.192.38.247 ( talk) 01:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
The map that was posted was concerned with national borders, not a historical region. Specifically, it was concerned with early proposals of a unified Syrian state, a unification of states that were created as a result of the Sykes-Picot Agreement, but it had flaws (see first comment). -- Nakhoda84 ( talk) 03:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Does Kuwait consider part of greater syria ??? I cant beleive it, I always hear from them that they consider themselves as part of the gulf, not greater syria. SeMiTiC
Kuwait was historically part of the Basra Province, ie. historically part of Iraq/Mesopotamia. K'Anpo ( talk) 12:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Modern-day "Southeastern Turkey" is a vital part of hisoric Syria. At the Paris peace Conference, Diyarbakir Province was claimed. These claims went ignored by the Great Powers of course.
Soapboxing removed. Please keep comments civil and about the article. Wikipedia is not a forum. Thank you. K'Anpo ( talk) 12:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)