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It is not clear that the term "Bilad a Sham" has any existence outside Syrian nationalist propaganda. The Ottoman empire did not have any corresponding division. It seems to be a term used to justify spurious Syrian territorial claims in Iraq, Jordan, Palestine and Lebanon.
It may correspond to the territory of Arab conquests controlled from Damascus. Mewnews ( talk) 20:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
You taking politics, and the greater Syria is natural and historical subject. you need to have some social studies background before you blame your confusion on the article Syrian10 ( talk) 04:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
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The western coastline and the eastern deserts set the boundaries for the Levant ... The Euphrates and the area around Jebel el-Bishrī mark the eastern boundary of the northern Levant, as does the Syrian Desert beyond the Anti-Lebanon range's eastern hinterland and Mount Hermon. This boundary continues south in the form of the highlands and eastern desert regions of Transjordan.
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There are a few things that are confusing in the Greater Syria map, and have to be fixed.
The most important is that Iran is colored white blue, as if there was a sea entity on the eastern border of Greater Syria. The color must be changed to brown or something similar.
The second issue is the state of Jordan, which, according to Saadeh's vision, is a part of GS. The borders on the map should be the same as Jordan's borders. The same thing should be done with Kuwait.
There is also a minor issue with the Saudi Arabia area divided into three parts, for unknown reasons. It should be a single entity.
-- Gabi S. ( talk) 11:22, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Gabi for addressing these mistakes. however your correction came on political level. please refer to the article Antoun Saadeh where I addressed the same issue. There is important thing about the layer of society starting from Natural geography in the first layer to Immediate social life in the second layer like Mood, Food and Music to Culture including language and religion in the third layer to the Political structure in the forth layer. When we talk about the MAP of greater Syria we are talking about what we see from the Plane if we are to fly over that land, this view we answer us why people in this area have the same NUTS mood, great same food and why they listen to very similar music. if you see from this angle you can understand that unity actually exist and there is no need to wars to unify this land. The difference come only on the political level like having multiple operating systems on your Computer hard drive, each one wants to claim all resources and conflict is the only possible result. Syrian10 ( talk) 04:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
It appears that since I rewrote this article about 1 year ago numerous false and POV edits have been made. It looks like no body is watching over this article. There are many factual mistakes. Just one example, since when did Cyprus become part of Syria? This is a POV edit made by one of Antun Saade followers.-- HD86 ( talk) 06:24, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
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...is a subarticle of this.
In terms of the move to Syria (historical region), it is a better name for the contents of this article since it is not primarily about Syrian nationalism - only one small section is. The contents of this article are about the region, which was only called "Greater Syria" by modern nationalists.
Oncenawhile ( talk) 08:35, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
This whole article is a joke. I mean seriously, Greater Syria is not exclusively a nationalistic concept. Please cite where it states that it is, and please, don't give me some two bit "scholar".
بلاد الشا, or Greater Syria existed way before nationalism appeared in the Middle East. I mean the clearest indication of this was during the Umayyad Caliphate.
The spareness of this article is appalling and you guys are wasting your time trying to categorize what it is. While it is utilized by Nationalists, it is a historical entity that was broken apart by imperial interests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.71.141.202 ( talk) 23:36, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
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Leo1pard ( talk) 10:02, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
I did it for a number of reasons. One is that "Greater Syria" can be equated with Ash-Shâm ( Arabic: اَلـشَّـام), [1] [2] so it is not entirely a political concept that is separate from the geographical concept of the Syrian region. Another is to reduce the number of articles that are about Ash- Shaam, hence related. Leo1pard ( talk) 10:02, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
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The western coastline and the eastern deserts set the boundaries for the Levant ... The Euphrates and the area around Jebel el-Bishrī mark the eastern boundary of the northern Levant, as does the Syrian Desert beyond the Anti-Lebanon range's eastern hinterland and Mount Hermon. This boundary continues south in the form of the highlands and eastern desert regions of Transjordan.
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Greyshark09 There already was a discussion, check the section above. I have said repeatedly to check this page. Leo1pard ( talk) 15:43, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
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It is not clear that the term "Bilad a Sham" has any existence outside Syrian nationalist propaganda. The Ottoman empire did not have any corresponding division. It seems to be a term used to justify spurious Syrian territorial claims in Iraq, Jordan, Palestine and Lebanon.
It may correspond to the territory of Arab conquests controlled from Damascus. Mewnews ( talk) 20:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
You taking politics, and the greater Syria is natural and historical subject. you need to have some social studies background before you blame your confusion on the article Syrian10 ( talk) 04:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
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The western coastline and the eastern deserts set the boundaries for the Levant ... The Euphrates and the area around Jebel el-Bishrī mark the eastern boundary of the northern Levant, as does the Syrian Desert beyond the Anti-Lebanon range's eastern hinterland and Mount Hermon. This boundary continues south in the form of the highlands and eastern desert regions of Transjordan.
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There are a few things that are confusing in the Greater Syria map, and have to be fixed.
The most important is that Iran is colored white blue, as if there was a sea entity on the eastern border of Greater Syria. The color must be changed to brown or something similar.
The second issue is the state of Jordan, which, according to Saadeh's vision, is a part of GS. The borders on the map should be the same as Jordan's borders. The same thing should be done with Kuwait.
There is also a minor issue with the Saudi Arabia area divided into three parts, for unknown reasons. It should be a single entity.
-- Gabi S. ( talk) 11:22, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Gabi for addressing these mistakes. however your correction came on political level. please refer to the article Antoun Saadeh where I addressed the same issue. There is important thing about the layer of society starting from Natural geography in the first layer to Immediate social life in the second layer like Mood, Food and Music to Culture including language and religion in the third layer to the Political structure in the forth layer. When we talk about the MAP of greater Syria we are talking about what we see from the Plane if we are to fly over that land, this view we answer us why people in this area have the same NUTS mood, great same food and why they listen to very similar music. if you see from this angle you can understand that unity actually exist and there is no need to wars to unify this land. The difference come only on the political level like having multiple operating systems on your Computer hard drive, each one wants to claim all resources and conflict is the only possible result. Syrian10 ( talk) 04:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
It appears that since I rewrote this article about 1 year ago numerous false and POV edits have been made. It looks like no body is watching over this article. There are many factual mistakes. Just one example, since when did Cyprus become part of Syria? This is a POV edit made by one of Antun Saade followers.-- HD86 ( talk) 06:24, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
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...is a subarticle of this.
In terms of the move to Syria (historical region), it is a better name for the contents of this article since it is not primarily about Syrian nationalism - only one small section is. The contents of this article are about the region, which was only called "Greater Syria" by modern nationalists.
Oncenawhile ( talk) 08:35, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
This whole article is a joke. I mean seriously, Greater Syria is not exclusively a nationalistic concept. Please cite where it states that it is, and please, don't give me some two bit "scholar".
بلاد الشا, or Greater Syria existed way before nationalism appeared in the Middle East. I mean the clearest indication of this was during the Umayyad Caliphate.
The spareness of this article is appalling and you guys are wasting your time trying to categorize what it is. While it is utilized by Nationalists, it is a historical entity that was broken apart by imperial interests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.71.141.202 ( talk) 23:36, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Graphs are unavailable due to technical issues. There is more info on Phabricator and on MediaWiki.org. |
Leo1pard ( talk) 10:02, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
I did it for a number of reasons. One is that "Greater Syria" can be equated with Ash-Shâm ( Arabic: اَلـشَّـام), [1] [2] so it is not entirely a political concept that is separate from the geographical concept of the Syrian region. Another is to reduce the number of articles that are about Ash- Shaam, hence related. Leo1pard ( talk) 10:02, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
References
The western coastline and the eastern deserts set the boundaries for the Levant ... The Euphrates and the area around Jebel el-Bishrī mark the eastern boundary of the northern Levant, as does the Syrian Desert beyond the Anti-Lebanon range's eastern hinterland and Mount Hermon. This boundary continues south in the form of the highlands and eastern desert regions of Transjordan.
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Greyshark09 There already was a discussion, check the section above. I have said repeatedly to check this page. Leo1pard ( talk) 15:43, 29 August 2018 (UTC)