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Surely, since the work's incompleteness is notable, a mention of the attempts by others to complete it should be included. I don't know how many versions there are, but a new one by a musicologist called Levin has just premiered at the Proms in London (saw it last night). Genedecanter 10:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
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Could this entry be renamed Mozart's "Great Mass in C minor without harm? I'm putting a mention of Mozart in the text. Wetman 22:04, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC) Five years later it's finally done! Actually, they went a little farther than you would've liked. Incarnatus ( talk) 21:41, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
The lead in the de-WP does in my opinion more justice to one of the greatest pieces of music at all: "Die Große Messe in c-Moll von Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, KV 427 (früher 417a), entstand 1782 und ist, obwohl unvollendet, eine der herausragenden Messvertonungen der europäischen Musikgeschichte. Die Bezeichnung "Große Messe" ist ein späteres Attribut. Formal gehört das Werk zum Typus der Missa solemnis." translated: "The Great Mass in C Minor (in German: Große Messe in c-Moll) of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, KV 427 (KV 417a before), was composed in 1782 and is, although not completed, one of the supreme musical setting of the Mass in European classical music. The name Große Messe was added later. Formally it is a Missa solemnis." I would like to discuss this before changing the article. Concerns of the lead as at present: the number (17 or 18) that I consider irrelevant, the statement "best-known" (I know people who know many masses of Mozart but not this one thinking they are more or less all equal), and the statement "most widely performed" (that may be true for recordings), in church use the others - like the Coronation Mass - are more frequently performed, to my observation. Actually, I cannot see the C Minor performed in the liturgy - comparable to Bach's Mass in B Minor. I would like to see in the lead also the facts that Mozart composed (this) his latest mass not for a church commission but "on his own" and that it is scored for double chorus. Please discuss and help with the wording. We might also need an article on Missa solemnis, rather than saying it's the opposite of a Missa brevis. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
While a few people are looking here, I have to wonder about the name. Should it really be called this? I mean, apparently the name simply refers to the fact it's not a
missa brevis, so it seems pretty generic, but I dunno. I used to be at
Great Mass in C minor (Mozart), but that doesn't seem perfect either. Thoughts?
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13:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Actually looking at that article, I was thinking of 'missa longa', which means 'Great' is just a nickname. We don't call Dvorak's 9th Symphony under New World Symphony and we don't call call Beethoven's 6th the Pastoral Symphony, or whatever else. Unfortunetly Mozart's mass numbers are confusing, and he wrote another one in minor...so hmmm. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ ( talk) 13:50, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I read at present that Mozart's wife sang "the soprano solos". I bet she didn't do both S I and S II. Can we find out which one, or otherwise just say "a soprano solo"? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:06, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
"The Mass was written as a result of a vow Mozart made with himself in relation to his wife Constanze and his father Leopold and their strained relationship." - Could someone reword this please, to clarify who had a strained relationship. My English is not up to it. - Thanks for the answer above! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:36, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Next question: it's somewhere in my memory - unsourced - that no Credo was supposed to be performed the day of the premiere, because it was some Saint's day. That would be a pretty simple explanation why the Credo was left unfinished, - probably too simple. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:50, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
The Cohrs completion is having its premiere tomorrow, 7 April 2012, in Melbourne, Australia. It's been described as the Mass's "world premiere", but that needs considerable qualification. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 23:03, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
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Surely, since the work's incompleteness is notable, a mention of the attempts by others to complete it should be included. I don't know how many versions there are, but a new one by a musicologist called Levin has just premiered at the Proms in London (saw it last night). Genedecanter 10:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
(Fixed formatting, originally posted by User:Sean McHugh 02)
Could this entry be renamed Mozart's "Great Mass in C minor without harm? I'm putting a mention of Mozart in the text. Wetman 22:04, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC) Five years later it's finally done! Actually, they went a little farther than you would've liked. Incarnatus ( talk) 21:41, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
The lead in the de-WP does in my opinion more justice to one of the greatest pieces of music at all: "Die Große Messe in c-Moll von Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, KV 427 (früher 417a), entstand 1782 und ist, obwohl unvollendet, eine der herausragenden Messvertonungen der europäischen Musikgeschichte. Die Bezeichnung "Große Messe" ist ein späteres Attribut. Formal gehört das Werk zum Typus der Missa solemnis." translated: "The Great Mass in C Minor (in German: Große Messe in c-Moll) of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, KV 427 (KV 417a before), was composed in 1782 and is, although not completed, one of the supreme musical setting of the Mass in European classical music. The name Große Messe was added later. Formally it is a Missa solemnis." I would like to discuss this before changing the article. Concerns of the lead as at present: the number (17 or 18) that I consider irrelevant, the statement "best-known" (I know people who know many masses of Mozart but not this one thinking they are more or less all equal), and the statement "most widely performed" (that may be true for recordings), in church use the others - like the Coronation Mass - are more frequently performed, to my observation. Actually, I cannot see the C Minor performed in the liturgy - comparable to Bach's Mass in B Minor. I would like to see in the lead also the facts that Mozart composed (this) his latest mass not for a church commission but "on his own" and that it is scored for double chorus. Please discuss and help with the wording. We might also need an article on Missa solemnis, rather than saying it's the opposite of a Missa brevis. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
While a few people are looking here, I have to wonder about the name. Should it really be called this? I mean, apparently the name simply refers to the fact it's not a
missa brevis, so it seems pretty generic, but I dunno. I used to be at
Great Mass in C minor (Mozart), but that doesn't seem perfect either. Thoughts?
♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (
talk)
13:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Actually looking at that article, I was thinking of 'missa longa', which means 'Great' is just a nickname. We don't call Dvorak's 9th Symphony under New World Symphony and we don't call call Beethoven's 6th the Pastoral Symphony, or whatever else. Unfortunetly Mozart's mass numbers are confusing, and he wrote another one in minor...so hmmm. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ ( talk) 13:50, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I read at present that Mozart's wife sang "the soprano solos". I bet she didn't do both S I and S II. Can we find out which one, or otherwise just say "a soprano solo"? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:06, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
"The Mass was written as a result of a vow Mozart made with himself in relation to his wife Constanze and his father Leopold and their strained relationship." - Could someone reword this please, to clarify who had a strained relationship. My English is not up to it. - Thanks for the answer above! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:36, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Next question: it's somewhere in my memory - unsourced - that no Credo was supposed to be performed the day of the premiere, because it was some Saint's day. That would be a pretty simple explanation why the Credo was left unfinished, - probably too simple. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:50, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
The Cohrs completion is having its premiere tomorrow, 7 April 2012, in Melbourne, Australia. It's been described as the Mass's "world premiere", but that needs considerable qualification. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 23:03, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
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Alois Schmitt is the father of Georg Aloys Schmitt, the Aloys Schmitt who was alive to publish the completion. Ref: https://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Schmitt,_Aloys Rwlesses ( talk) 20:23, 9 July 2024 (UTC)