This article is really about US region. This should be main plain in the article, rather than including Ontario. This would parallel the division between the Great Plains and Prairie Provinces further west. Kevlar67 18:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Count me definitively on the side of including Ontario. Not only geographically, economically, and culturally, but even politically Ontario and the American side are a coherent unit. GreatLakesdemocracy ( talk) 19:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC) The 2008 ratification of The Great Lakes Commission finally commits American and Canadian governments to the geographical definition of the North American Great Lakes as a distinctive political entity. In fact and operation, the complex cooperative management of The Great Lakes for purposes of trade, border discipline, parks, transportation, hydro-power, water management and environmental protection has been a reality since 1815. Ethnically and economically, the borders have always been porous. Politically, the region has more bi-national commonalities than generally supposed. Much of Ontarian political culture derived from both Anglo-American heritage and the simultaneous influence and threat of American examples. More importantly, both the American and Canadian sides played analogous roles in the world-economy. Both sides of the border transformed from peripheries that supplied natural resources; to semi-peripheries that performed middle-man brokerage functions; to core regions, represented by such world cities as Chicago and Toronto, that provided hubs of capital, administration, and management. History, politics, culture, and ethnic composition, as well as the more obvious economy, technology, and geology, define Ontario and American Great Lakes states as one region. GreatLakesdemocracy ( talk) 04:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I would say that "Great Lakes region (North America)" should have Ontario, while an article called something like "Great Lakes states" (which is currently a redirect) or "Great Lakes states (USA)", if ever made, would be about the US geographical area. Awickert ( talk) 05:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I added a few summary paragraphs about the Great Lakes region's most famous, and least controverial, contributions to national, continental, and global history, political economy, technology and culture.
I'd appreciate feedback on the selection of content. It's hard to judge what to include and leave out. Abraham Lincoln and the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 are easy. Frank Lloyd Wright? Oprah Winfrey? Balloon-frame house?
The Great lakes, for instance, is arguably home and host of modern-day industrial labor unions, large-scale agricultural cooperatives, mass production of steel, and contemporary versions of blues, polka, Rock'N'Roll and Motown. But other regions, even other nations, would instantly dispute the claim.
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On reflection, I included the list of states and Ontario in the introductory paragraph, and subordinated the list of cities to below the text.
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thx —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreatLakesdemocracy ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to add a "History" section. Any reactions from anyone?
thx —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreatLakesdemocracy ( talk • contribs) 19:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I propose organizing a "History" section in seven parts:
1. First nations (the Canadian term for pre-European inhabitants; and a better one than "Indians" or "Pre-Columbians")
2. European colonies (France, England/Britain, and The Netherlands)
3. Anglo-Ameican hegemony
4. The American Northwest and Upper Canada
5. Civil War and The Dominion Act
6. Industrial Development
7. Global Manufacturing Center
Reactions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreatLakesdemocracy ( talk • contribs) 05:32, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Other, more commonly acknowledged, Regions are capitalized. Does anyone know, or can anyone tell me, how we might appeal to the Wikipedia powers to have The Great Lakes Region qualify for its own properly nouned name? GreatLakesdemocracy ( talk) 02:39, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Could somebody, starting with the Wikimedia Commons File:BlankMap-USA-states-Canada-provinces.svg, create a single file showing both the U.S. states and Ontario on a single map, instead of the awkward two-map system we have now? -- Orange Mike | Talk 18:47, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Duluth is right on lake superior. I've been to Duluth and I'm a bit surprised that Duluth wasn't on the list considering its huge importance and its size of over 80,000 people and the fact that there is a clear view of Lake Superior in the downtown area. I noticed that cities smaller than Duluth were on the list of major cities but Duluth wasn't (which offended me as I am from Minnesota). JohnnyRH ( talk) 22:59, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
I don't understand why my edit keeps being reverted. Duluth is a large and important city that is RIGHT ON lake Superior. I'm starting to think that some people editing this page may have a personal bias against Minnesota. JohnnyRH ( talk) 20:53, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Kansas City is considered a Great Lakes Population Center? Can Phoenix, Arizona or Plovdiv, Bulgaria be far behind? 70.29.14.65 ( talk) 06:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
If Kansas City and St. Louis are listed as Great Lakes population centers then why not New York and Philadelphia? This is a genuine question, KC and SL look pretty far from the Lakes on the map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red Hair Bow ( talk • contribs) 00:17, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
The list of cities is still ridiculous. Since when are Louisville and Cincinnati in the Great Lakes region? I suppose Pittsburgh, Ottawa, Minneapolis, etc are debatable, but none of the cities I've just mentioned are in the Great Lakes basin. Any city in a state/province bordering Great Lakes is not automatically in the Great Lakes region, this list needs cleaning up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.121.102.136 ( talk) 20:00, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Why is Minneapolis-St Paul , a centre of 3 million people not listed within the population centres if Minnesota is part of the region? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.43.20 ( talk) 01:37, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
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This article is really about US region. This should be main plain in the article, rather than including Ontario. This would parallel the division between the Great Plains and Prairie Provinces further west. Kevlar67 18:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Count me definitively on the side of including Ontario. Not only geographically, economically, and culturally, but even politically Ontario and the American side are a coherent unit. GreatLakesdemocracy ( talk) 19:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC) The 2008 ratification of The Great Lakes Commission finally commits American and Canadian governments to the geographical definition of the North American Great Lakes as a distinctive political entity. In fact and operation, the complex cooperative management of The Great Lakes for purposes of trade, border discipline, parks, transportation, hydro-power, water management and environmental protection has been a reality since 1815. Ethnically and economically, the borders have always been porous. Politically, the region has more bi-national commonalities than generally supposed. Much of Ontarian political culture derived from both Anglo-American heritage and the simultaneous influence and threat of American examples. More importantly, both the American and Canadian sides played analogous roles in the world-economy. Both sides of the border transformed from peripheries that supplied natural resources; to semi-peripheries that performed middle-man brokerage functions; to core regions, represented by such world cities as Chicago and Toronto, that provided hubs of capital, administration, and management. History, politics, culture, and ethnic composition, as well as the more obvious economy, technology, and geology, define Ontario and American Great Lakes states as one region. GreatLakesdemocracy ( talk) 04:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I would say that "Great Lakes region (North America)" should have Ontario, while an article called something like "Great Lakes states" (which is currently a redirect) or "Great Lakes states (USA)", if ever made, would be about the US geographical area. Awickert ( talk) 05:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I added a few summary paragraphs about the Great Lakes region's most famous, and least controverial, contributions to national, continental, and global history, political economy, technology and culture.
I'd appreciate feedback on the selection of content. It's hard to judge what to include and leave out. Abraham Lincoln and the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 are easy. Frank Lloyd Wright? Oprah Winfrey? Balloon-frame house?
The Great lakes, for instance, is arguably home and host of modern-day industrial labor unions, large-scale agricultural cooperatives, mass production of steel, and contemporary versions of blues, polka, Rock'N'Roll and Motown. But other regions, even other nations, would instantly dispute the claim.
GreatLakesdemocracy (
talk) 19:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
On reflection, I included the list of states and Ontario in the introductory paragraph, and subordinated the list of cities to below the text.
Nominations, please for contributions and native sons/daughters.
thx —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreatLakesdemocracy ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to add a "History" section. Any reactions from anyone?
thx —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreatLakesdemocracy ( talk • contribs) 19:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I propose organizing a "History" section in seven parts:
1. First nations (the Canadian term for pre-European inhabitants; and a better one than "Indians" or "Pre-Columbians")
2. European colonies (France, England/Britain, and The Netherlands)
3. Anglo-Ameican hegemony
4. The American Northwest and Upper Canada
5. Civil War and The Dominion Act
6. Industrial Development
7. Global Manufacturing Center
Reactions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreatLakesdemocracy ( talk • contribs) 05:32, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Other, more commonly acknowledged, Regions are capitalized. Does anyone know, or can anyone tell me, how we might appeal to the Wikipedia powers to have The Great Lakes Region qualify for its own properly nouned name? GreatLakesdemocracy ( talk) 02:39, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Could somebody, starting with the Wikimedia Commons File:BlankMap-USA-states-Canada-provinces.svg, create a single file showing both the U.S. states and Ontario on a single map, instead of the awkward two-map system we have now? -- Orange Mike | Talk 18:47, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Duluth is right on lake superior. I've been to Duluth and I'm a bit surprised that Duluth wasn't on the list considering its huge importance and its size of over 80,000 people and the fact that there is a clear view of Lake Superior in the downtown area. I noticed that cities smaller than Duluth were on the list of major cities but Duluth wasn't (which offended me as I am from Minnesota). JohnnyRH ( talk) 22:59, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
I don't understand why my edit keeps being reverted. Duluth is a large and important city that is RIGHT ON lake Superior. I'm starting to think that some people editing this page may have a personal bias against Minnesota. JohnnyRH ( talk) 20:53, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Kansas City is considered a Great Lakes Population Center? Can Phoenix, Arizona or Plovdiv, Bulgaria be far behind? 70.29.14.65 ( talk) 06:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
If Kansas City and St. Louis are listed as Great Lakes population centers then why not New York and Philadelphia? This is a genuine question, KC and SL look pretty far from the Lakes on the map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red Hair Bow ( talk • contribs) 00:17, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
The list of cities is still ridiculous. Since when are Louisville and Cincinnati in the Great Lakes region? I suppose Pittsburgh, Ottawa, Minneapolis, etc are debatable, but none of the cities I've just mentioned are in the Great Lakes basin. Any city in a state/province bordering Great Lakes is not automatically in the Great Lakes region, this list needs cleaning up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.121.102.136 ( talk) 20:00, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Why is Minneapolis-St Paul , a centre of 3 million people not listed within the population centres if Minnesota is part of the region? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.43.20 ( talk) 01:37, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
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