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The photo on the bottom right of the page suffers horribly from Chromatic aberration. It seems the photo was taken by a wikipedia user who is no longer on very often. This can be fixed easily if the RAW data is available, but I doubt we will be able to get it. Suggest someone local get a better shot of the location to replace the current photo. Gtwy ( talk) 00:47, 27 August 2014 (UTC) I've done a quick fix on it for the time being. Mighty Antar ( talk) 12:40, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Is the 'soviet target' relevant? Surely that would have applied to most strategic routes in the UK? Is this text repeated in the descriptions of the Houses of Parliament etc? Or more up-to-date, a handly list of terrorist targets in the UK? I need to flag my scarcasm here. However, the IRA did leave a small semtex device under the M6 near this junction in April 1997. Fortunately the bomb was safely defused, which is why the occasion has been largely forgotten.-- 217.42.93.182 18:14, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Any junction that "is so named for its impressive system of intertwined loops and ramps" deserves an image Ae-a 22:56, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Although it generated a lot of interest when it first opened - as the first such junction in England, it's not a tourist attraction in the 21st century. Hence I removed it from Category:Visitor attractions in Birmingham, England.
What do you mean? I see hundreds of caravans parked up there every bank holiday weekend...-- 135.196.104.154 ( talk) 07:28, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
I've reverted the header from Gravelly Hill Junction to Gravelly Hill Interchange (twice now) for the following reasons:
-- Tivedshambo ( talk) 16:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Since "traffic circles" are less common in the US, these highway interchanges, when more complex, are also referred as "Circle interchanges", which in Chicago, gave the original "U of Illinois "Congress Circle Campus" ('60s) later known as Chicago Circle Campus ('70s-'90s), and now UI-Chicago (UIC) it's official name. Should reference to an "Expressway Circle {Highway interchange}" or something similar, also be indexed on this page? ChgoJohn ( talk) 18:31, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
A map or aerial photograph would be very useful on this article. However, please ensure that any sources comply with Wikipedia's copyright policy. This excludes screenshots taken from Google Earth for example.– Tivedshambo (talk) 12:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I just made my first edit to Wikipedia (that I can remember) and it was to add links to both Google satellite and the Live.com Bird's Eye view. There's no copyright issue with links is there? Thegallery 05:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm inclined to agree with this edit of User:John's. There is very little here which, even if sourced, is of more than passing relevance to the article. Possibly the Cliff Richard film could be included if the junction played a significant part (I don't know the film so I can't say). Other than that, I'd say wipe the lot. Any thoughts? — Tivedshambo ( t/ c) 09:56, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I just removed "The importance of the site for so many services led to the belief that it was a strategic target for a Soviet nuclear weapon during the Cold War, although this has yet to be verified." This is speculative and unverified. Sounds like the stuff of urban legends to me. I mean if Birmingham were nuked, losing spaghetti junction would have been the last of our problems. It would probably be destroyed by it anyway. Of course, I take this all back if anyone can verify it. RupertMillard ( Talk) 23:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I have reverted the changes made recently which were entirely based upon an article published in the Birmingham Mail in May this year. The article is a piece of self-promotion for the Mail but doesn't provide any substantive evidence for it's conclusions. It mentions 1965, but what is needed is an article from the Mail published in 1965 otherwise they are referring to the pull-out they published in 1972 at the same time as the name "Spagetti Junction" appeared in The Times article I had already provided a source for. Mighty Antar ( talk) 18:30, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Surely, per WP:COMMONNAME this article should be under the name “Spaghetti Junction”? I don’t think I’ve ever seen it referred to ad=s “Gravelly Hill Interchange”. Just checking if there are any objections before I make the move. DeCausa ( talk)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Common name arguments hit a snag because forcing the move to just "Spaghetti Junction" would require this junction to be the primary topic, a premise that has no consensus in its favour. A new RM can be opened for whether we stay here for good or move to disambiguated titles like "Spaghetti Junction (Birmingham)", but the simple name "Spaghetti Junction" is emerging as not viable. ( non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 13:17, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Gravelly Hill Interchange → Spaghetti Junction – This is the common name for the junction, and what appears most prominently in sources. For example : BBC News, BBC News, Birmingham Mail, ITV. Note that some sources call it the Spaghetti Junction, but I don't think there's enough for a consensus there. Per the above thread, the existing article with this name is problematic, with entries both unsourced and failing verification; nevertheless, I would propose that article should be merged with Spaghetti Junction (disambiguation). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:16, 24 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 晚安 ( トークページ) 15:46, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
*Strong support I live next to the junction and have done for years per
WP:COMMONNAME it should be Spaghetti Junction. And I don’t think users who live outside of the UK such as
User:Floydian realise that NO one calls it the Gravely Hill Interchange.
Beingakardashian (
talk) 18:12, 24 May 2022 (UTC) strike sock--
Jezebel's Ponyo
bons mots
20:22, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) >>> Extorc. talk 04:53, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Gravelly Hill Interchange → Spaghetti Junction, Birmingham – Pretty much a continuation of the previous RM, as suggested by the closer. I appreciate the arguments re the Tom Moreland Interchange mean this isn't the primary topic, but we still need to consider the WP:COMMONNAME aspect - no sources refer to the interchange by its formal title; all use "Spaghetti Junction". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:51, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. Do not, however, use obscure or made-up names.Gravelly Hill Interchange doesn’t qualify as “also commonly called”. It’s virtually unused in RS. No one calls it that in the UK. It does, howver, qualify as “obscure”. DeCausa ( talk) 13:58, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Thousands of motorists travel through the Gravelly Hill Interchange on the outskirts of Birmingham at every hour of every day. The vast majority of drivers on the M6 motorway know it simply as Spaghetti Junction…(Crouch, Swale: it’s official name qua WP:official name is, of course, an irrelevance.) DeCausa ( talk) 16:48, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Done
Dr. Vogel (
talk)
05:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Gravelly Hill Interchange → Spaghetti Junction – This is the common name for the junction, and what appears most prominently in sources. For example : BBC News, BBC News, Birmingham Mail, ITV. Note that some sources call it theSpaghetti Junction, but I don't think there's enough for a consensus there. Per the above thread, the existing article with this name is problematic, with entries both unsourced and failing verification; nevertheless, I would propose that article should be merged with Spaghetti Junction (disambiguation). 195.195.4.115 ( talk) 02:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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![]() | On 24 April 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Spaghetti Junction. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
The photo on the bottom right of the page suffers horribly from Chromatic aberration. It seems the photo was taken by a wikipedia user who is no longer on very often. This can be fixed easily if the RAW data is available, but I doubt we will be able to get it. Suggest someone local get a better shot of the location to replace the current photo. Gtwy ( talk) 00:47, 27 August 2014 (UTC) I've done a quick fix on it for the time being. Mighty Antar ( talk) 12:40, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Is the 'soviet target' relevant? Surely that would have applied to most strategic routes in the UK? Is this text repeated in the descriptions of the Houses of Parliament etc? Or more up-to-date, a handly list of terrorist targets in the UK? I need to flag my scarcasm here. However, the IRA did leave a small semtex device under the M6 near this junction in April 1997. Fortunately the bomb was safely defused, which is why the occasion has been largely forgotten.-- 217.42.93.182 18:14, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Any junction that "is so named for its impressive system of intertwined loops and ramps" deserves an image Ae-a 22:56, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Although it generated a lot of interest when it first opened - as the first such junction in England, it's not a tourist attraction in the 21st century. Hence I removed it from Category:Visitor attractions in Birmingham, England.
What do you mean? I see hundreds of caravans parked up there every bank holiday weekend...-- 135.196.104.154 ( talk) 07:28, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
I've reverted the header from Gravelly Hill Junction to Gravelly Hill Interchange (twice now) for the following reasons:
-- Tivedshambo ( talk) 16:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Since "traffic circles" are less common in the US, these highway interchanges, when more complex, are also referred as "Circle interchanges", which in Chicago, gave the original "U of Illinois "Congress Circle Campus" ('60s) later known as Chicago Circle Campus ('70s-'90s), and now UI-Chicago (UIC) it's official name. Should reference to an "Expressway Circle {Highway interchange}" or something similar, also be indexed on this page? ChgoJohn ( talk) 18:31, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
A map or aerial photograph would be very useful on this article. However, please ensure that any sources comply with Wikipedia's copyright policy. This excludes screenshots taken from Google Earth for example.– Tivedshambo (talk) 12:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I just made my first edit to Wikipedia (that I can remember) and it was to add links to both Google satellite and the Live.com Bird's Eye view. There's no copyright issue with links is there? Thegallery 05:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm inclined to agree with this edit of User:John's. There is very little here which, even if sourced, is of more than passing relevance to the article. Possibly the Cliff Richard film could be included if the junction played a significant part (I don't know the film so I can't say). Other than that, I'd say wipe the lot. Any thoughts? — Tivedshambo ( t/ c) 09:56, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I just removed "The importance of the site for so many services led to the belief that it was a strategic target for a Soviet nuclear weapon during the Cold War, although this has yet to be verified." This is speculative and unverified. Sounds like the stuff of urban legends to me. I mean if Birmingham were nuked, losing spaghetti junction would have been the last of our problems. It would probably be destroyed by it anyway. Of course, I take this all back if anyone can verify it. RupertMillard ( Talk) 23:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I have reverted the changes made recently which were entirely based upon an article published in the Birmingham Mail in May this year. The article is a piece of self-promotion for the Mail but doesn't provide any substantive evidence for it's conclusions. It mentions 1965, but what is needed is an article from the Mail published in 1965 otherwise they are referring to the pull-out they published in 1972 at the same time as the name "Spagetti Junction" appeared in The Times article I had already provided a source for. Mighty Antar ( talk) 18:30, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Surely, per WP:COMMONNAME this article should be under the name “Spaghetti Junction”? I don’t think I’ve ever seen it referred to ad=s “Gravelly Hill Interchange”. Just checking if there are any objections before I make the move. DeCausa ( talk)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Common name arguments hit a snag because forcing the move to just "Spaghetti Junction" would require this junction to be the primary topic, a premise that has no consensus in its favour. A new RM can be opened for whether we stay here for good or move to disambiguated titles like "Spaghetti Junction (Birmingham)", but the simple name "Spaghetti Junction" is emerging as not viable. ( non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 13:17, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Gravelly Hill Interchange → Spaghetti Junction – This is the common name for the junction, and what appears most prominently in sources. For example : BBC News, BBC News, Birmingham Mail, ITV. Note that some sources call it the Spaghetti Junction, but I don't think there's enough for a consensus there. Per the above thread, the existing article with this name is problematic, with entries both unsourced and failing verification; nevertheless, I would propose that article should be merged with Spaghetti Junction (disambiguation). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:16, 24 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 晚安 ( トークページ) 15:46, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
*Strong support I live next to the junction and have done for years per
WP:COMMONNAME it should be Spaghetti Junction. And I don’t think users who live outside of the UK such as
User:Floydian realise that NO one calls it the Gravely Hill Interchange.
Beingakardashian (
talk) 18:12, 24 May 2022 (UTC) strike sock--
Jezebel's Ponyo
bons mots
20:22, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) >>> Extorc. talk 04:53, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Gravelly Hill Interchange → Spaghetti Junction, Birmingham – Pretty much a continuation of the previous RM, as suggested by the closer. I appreciate the arguments re the Tom Moreland Interchange mean this isn't the primary topic, but we still need to consider the WP:COMMONNAME aspect - no sources refer to the interchange by its formal title; all use "Spaghetti Junction". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:51, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. Do not, however, use obscure or made-up names.Gravelly Hill Interchange doesn’t qualify as “also commonly called”. It’s virtually unused in RS. No one calls it that in the UK. It does, howver, qualify as “obscure”. DeCausa ( talk) 13:58, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Thousands of motorists travel through the Gravelly Hill Interchange on the outskirts of Birmingham at every hour of every day. The vast majority of drivers on the M6 motorway know it simply as Spaghetti Junction…(Crouch, Swale: it’s official name qua WP:official name is, of course, an irrelevance.) DeCausa ( talk) 16:48, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Done
Dr. Vogel (
talk)
05:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Gravelly Hill Interchange → Spaghetti Junction – This is the common name for the junction, and what appears most prominently in sources. For example : BBC News, BBC News, Birmingham Mail, ITV. Note that some sources call it theSpaghetti Junction, but I don't think there's enough for a consensus there. Per the above thread, the existing article with this name is problematic, with entries both unsourced and failing verification; nevertheless, I would propose that article should be merged with Spaghetti Junction (disambiguation). 195.195.4.115 ( talk) 02:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)