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{{Connected contributor|Masonica16|edited-here=yes|declared=yes} — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masonica16 ( talk • contribs) 20:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Tchouppy: you support your reversion by saying "linking directly to the 990 isn't SOP- find a good reliable secondary source that discusses it. Neither is bunching several groups and calling them all "Charles Koch related" without a secondary source. Sourcewatch is also not a reliable, unbiased source."
Let's start with "linking directly to the 990 isn't SOP." You said this in response to a restoration I supported with a quote from wp:primary (which @ Marquardtika: had cited in support of an earlier reversion), to wit: "A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge" (emphasis added). I don't find anything in wp:Primary about "SOP" being an exception to this statement. Is the exception found elsewhere? If there is such an exception then I request that you provide some evidence to support your conclusion that direct links to 990s 'are not SOP. Butwhatdoiknow ( talk) 16:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Can 990s ever be used? yes. Should they be used to certify who is or is not a donor to an organization for purposes of wikipedia? Probably not. It is not newsworthy, wikipedia level information unless a secondary sources has discussed the information. Three random donors of an organization cherrypicked from those organizations' 990s is not newsworthy information appropriate for a wikipedia article. There is no rationale for adding a section on funding for an organization unless reliable sources have been reporting on that organization's funding. If it has not been deemed newsworthy by an actual, reliable news source, then it's not wikipedia appropriate. Tchouppy ( talk) 15:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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Information to be added or removed: The "Official website" link in the "External Links" section should link to grassrootinstitute.org. Footnote 5 should link to grassrootinstitute.org/about. Footnote 7 should link to grassrootinstitute.org/jones-act. Also footnotes 8, 10 and 14 are dead links and should be removed, as there are no live versions of those links.
Explanation of issue: Three links incorrectly point to the domain new.grassrootinstitute.org, which is dead.
References supporting change: grassrootinstitute.org is the current live domain of the website.
I have a conflict of interest since I work at the Grassroot Institute of Hawaii. Kentj1 ( talk) 05:25, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
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Information to be added or removed: "state-funded" should be inserted before the word "race-based" in the following sentence: "The lawsuit, filed in 2015, seeks to block race-based elections in Hawaii."
Explanation of issue: The lawsuit sought to block state-funded race-based elections, and did not pertain to privately-funded race-based elections, which the institute has no opinion on.
References supporting change: - https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/31104257/nai-aupuni-kicks-off-amid-heated-talks/ - https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-racial-spoils-system-invents-a-tribe-for-native-hawaiians-1450481177 - Pages 5A and 6A https://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/15A551-Akina-Appendix.pdf - Page 18 https://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Akina-Application.pdf
I have a conflict of interest. -- Kentj1 ( talk) 05:40, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
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Information to be added or removed: The following sentence should be deleted: "It does not condone a full repeal of the Jones Act."
Explanation of issue: The Grassroot Institute of Hawaii is not necessarily opposed to a full repeal of the Jones Act.
References supporting change: - https://www.cato.org/publications/cato-online-forum/updating-jones-act-21st-century-why-we-should-stop-calling-repeal - https://www.civilbeat.org/2013/06/19330-making-waves-kelii-akina-and-the-grassroot-institute-of-hawaii/ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7sb9lACjGc&feature=youtu.be&t=805
Islehc ( talk) 19:45, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I reviewed said sources and they seem to support the notion that the Institute is in support of a full repeal, albeit not in a single giant leap. Maybe a different wording to accommodate for this stance? Any ideas? Nearlyevil665 ( talk) 07:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
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Information to be added or removed: Remove Section: Education[edit source] Remove text: The Grassroot Institute supports school choice.[citation needed]
Explanation of issue: The Grassroot Institute hasn’t commented about this issue in over four years. It is not a key issue that gives the reader a good idea of what issues the Institute focuses on.
References supporting change: Note the last time school choice was mentioned was in 2017 according to the "Education" category on its website: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/category/issues/education/page/2/ Note the dates of the content in these search results: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/?s=school+choice
Information to be added or removed: New section headline: Public pension debt Text for that section: As of 2019, Hawaii’s unfunded public pension liabilities total $14 billion. [1] The Grassroot Institute supports offering new pension plans that prevent pension spiking and cap benefits at reasonable levels. [2]
Explanation of issue: This is one of the key issues the Institute publishes research and commentary on.
References supporting change: Note "Pension Reform" is listed as one of the five key issues on the site's menu at www.grassrootinstitute.org The Institute has hosted a few events on the issue: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2020/05/could-hawaii-go-bankrupt/ Recent research published by the Institute, noting that its heavily focused on this issue: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2021/01/delaying-eutf-payments-will-add-8-billion-to-hawaii-taxpayer-debt/ Institute's media release on its report about the issue: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2018/08/report-how-to-resolve-hawaiis-public-pension-debt-crisis/
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Information to be added or removed: Replace "who continues to serve on its board of directors" in the introduction section with "who served on its board of directors until his passing on Nov. 28, 2020. [1]"
Explanation of issue: Richard Rowland passed away on Nov. 28, 2020.
References supporting change: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/rowland/
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Information to be added or removed: Change title of article to Grassroot Institute of Hawaii
Explanation of issue: In addition to being the proper name, there are numerous organizations that use the Grassroot Institute label for short, or a similar variation of it (Grassroots Institute) such as: https://www.grassrootsinstitute.org/ http://grassrootsinstitute.net/ http://www.grassroots-institute.org/
References supporting change: Official name according to website: www.grassrootinstitute.org/about Legal name (though "inc" isn't necessary): https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2018/990/354/2018-990354937-17180013-9.pdf
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Information to be added or removed: Add section "Taxes"
The Grassroot Institute generally opposes tax increases and new taxes. It has opposed proposed increases to taxes including capital gains, income, transient accommodations, liquor, car-sharing, and more.
Explanation of issue: Major issue the Institute focuses on.
References supporting change: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2021/02/testimony-x-7-relating-to-taxes/ https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2018/10/hawaiis-high-court-strikes-down-tax-proposal/ https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2021/02/testimony-on-tax-related-bills-hb771-hb871-sb155-and-hb1388/ Masonica16 ( talk) 00:52, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
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{{Connected contributor|Masonica16|edited-here=yes|declared=yes} — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masonica16 ( talk • contribs) 20:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Tchouppy: you support your reversion by saying "linking directly to the 990 isn't SOP- find a good reliable secondary source that discusses it. Neither is bunching several groups and calling them all "Charles Koch related" without a secondary source. Sourcewatch is also not a reliable, unbiased source."
Let's start with "linking directly to the 990 isn't SOP." You said this in response to a restoration I supported with a quote from wp:primary (which @ Marquardtika: had cited in support of an earlier reversion), to wit: "A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge" (emphasis added). I don't find anything in wp:Primary about "SOP" being an exception to this statement. Is the exception found elsewhere? If there is such an exception then I request that you provide some evidence to support your conclusion that direct links to 990s 'are not SOP. Butwhatdoiknow ( talk) 16:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Can 990s ever be used? yes. Should they be used to certify who is or is not a donor to an organization for purposes of wikipedia? Probably not. It is not newsworthy, wikipedia level information unless a secondary sources has discussed the information. Three random donors of an organization cherrypicked from those organizations' 990s is not newsworthy information appropriate for a wikipedia article. There is no rationale for adding a section on funding for an organization unless reliable sources have been reporting on that organization's funding. If it has not been deemed newsworthy by an actual, reliable news source, then it's not wikipedia appropriate. Tchouppy ( talk) 15:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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Information to be added or removed: The "Official website" link in the "External Links" section should link to grassrootinstitute.org. Footnote 5 should link to grassrootinstitute.org/about. Footnote 7 should link to grassrootinstitute.org/jones-act. Also footnotes 8, 10 and 14 are dead links and should be removed, as there are no live versions of those links.
Explanation of issue: Three links incorrectly point to the domain new.grassrootinstitute.org, which is dead.
References supporting change: grassrootinstitute.org is the current live domain of the website.
I have a conflict of interest since I work at the Grassroot Institute of Hawaii. Kentj1 ( talk) 05:25, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
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Information to be added or removed: "state-funded" should be inserted before the word "race-based" in the following sentence: "The lawsuit, filed in 2015, seeks to block race-based elections in Hawaii."
Explanation of issue: The lawsuit sought to block state-funded race-based elections, and did not pertain to privately-funded race-based elections, which the institute has no opinion on.
References supporting change: - https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/31104257/nai-aupuni-kicks-off-amid-heated-talks/ - https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-racial-spoils-system-invents-a-tribe-for-native-hawaiians-1450481177 - Pages 5A and 6A https://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/15A551-Akina-Appendix.pdf - Page 18 https://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Akina-Application.pdf
I have a conflict of interest. -- Kentj1 ( talk) 05:40, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
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Information to be added or removed: The following sentence should be deleted: "It does not condone a full repeal of the Jones Act."
Explanation of issue: The Grassroot Institute of Hawaii is not necessarily opposed to a full repeal of the Jones Act.
References supporting change: - https://www.cato.org/publications/cato-online-forum/updating-jones-act-21st-century-why-we-should-stop-calling-repeal - https://www.civilbeat.org/2013/06/19330-making-waves-kelii-akina-and-the-grassroot-institute-of-hawaii/ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7sb9lACjGc&feature=youtu.be&t=805
Islehc ( talk) 19:45, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I reviewed said sources and they seem to support the notion that the Institute is in support of a full repeal, albeit not in a single giant leap. Maybe a different wording to accommodate for this stance? Any ideas? Nearlyevil665 ( talk) 07:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
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Information to be added or removed: Remove Section: Education[edit source] Remove text: The Grassroot Institute supports school choice.[citation needed]
Explanation of issue: The Grassroot Institute hasn’t commented about this issue in over four years. It is not a key issue that gives the reader a good idea of what issues the Institute focuses on.
References supporting change: Note the last time school choice was mentioned was in 2017 according to the "Education" category on its website: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/category/issues/education/page/2/ Note the dates of the content in these search results: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/?s=school+choice
Information to be added or removed: New section headline: Public pension debt Text for that section: As of 2019, Hawaii’s unfunded public pension liabilities total $14 billion. [1] The Grassroot Institute supports offering new pension plans that prevent pension spiking and cap benefits at reasonable levels. [2]
Explanation of issue: This is one of the key issues the Institute publishes research and commentary on.
References supporting change: Note "Pension Reform" is listed as one of the five key issues on the site's menu at www.grassrootinstitute.org The Institute has hosted a few events on the issue: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2020/05/could-hawaii-go-bankrupt/ Recent research published by the Institute, noting that its heavily focused on this issue: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2021/01/delaying-eutf-payments-will-add-8-billion-to-hawaii-taxpayer-debt/ Institute's media release on its report about the issue: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2018/08/report-how-to-resolve-hawaiis-public-pension-debt-crisis/
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Information to be added or removed: Replace "who continues to serve on its board of directors" in the introduction section with "who served on its board of directors until his passing on Nov. 28, 2020. [1]"
Explanation of issue: Richard Rowland passed away on Nov. 28, 2020.
References supporting change: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/rowland/
References
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Information to be added or removed: Change title of article to Grassroot Institute of Hawaii
Explanation of issue: In addition to being the proper name, there are numerous organizations that use the Grassroot Institute label for short, or a similar variation of it (Grassroots Institute) such as: https://www.grassrootsinstitute.org/ http://grassrootsinstitute.net/ http://www.grassroots-institute.org/
References supporting change: Official name according to website: www.grassrootinstitute.org/about Legal name (though "inc" isn't necessary): https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2018/990/354/2018-990354937-17180013-9.pdf
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Information to be added or removed: Add section "Taxes"
The Grassroot Institute generally opposes tax increases and new taxes. It has opposed proposed increases to taxes including capital gains, income, transient accommodations, liquor, car-sharing, and more.
Explanation of issue: Major issue the Institute focuses on.
References supporting change: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2021/02/testimony-x-7-relating-to-taxes/ https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2018/10/hawaiis-high-court-strikes-down-tax-proposal/ https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2021/02/testimony-on-tax-related-bills-hb771-hb871-sb155-and-hb1388/ Masonica16 ( talk) 00:52, 6 March 2021 (UTC)