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Government sanctions identify his birthplace as Dundee, Scotland, which are based on birth records. Phillips' consistently stated a birthplace and upbringing of Nottingham, England has been progressively disproven by school records, and now by the government sanctions list. I believe this makes clear his attempts to falsify his personal biography, and this warrants comment on his positioning himself as a journalist "of the utmost integrity". Please discuss.
I'm very confused about an edit correctly citing government stated evidence of his birthplace was rolled back in favour of repeating what appears to be a deliberate act of misinformation?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a0d:3344:179:2410:8492:e5bb:4766:123f ( talk) 21:55, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Please see
this edit (based on the following from the Guardian: This article was amended on 8 May 2023. An earlier version stated that Graham Phillips was born in Nottingham. Text has been changed to clarify that this is what Phillips has said, but that the sanctions list published by the UK government says he was born in Dundee.
and
this edit by
Luganchanka. Don't feel strongly but wanted to get views.
BobFromBrockley (
talk)
12:31, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
This has been a contentious issue on the article, most recently by @
Mr Wiki Orinoco in (
this diff, saying it was non-neutral and the subject wrote about "Kyiv brothel River Palace, and his own experience with prostitutes").
But we have two sources which mention his use brothels and it is not appropriate for users to use their own personal description not supported by reliable secondary sources. The Telegraph: He became a blogger, documenting – in now-deleted posts – events such as him sleeping with a Russian prostitute whilst high on drugs in Amsterdam and recounting the history of a notorious Odesa brothel.
[2]
The Times: He subsequently moved to Kyiv and then Odesa, where he wrote a blog reviewing nightclubs and brothels.
[3]
Solipsism 101 (
talk)
09:55, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
=== Noted - I included all of this information in my edit. But despite searching extensively, I have only found one 'brothel review' of his, of River Palace, which was also included in my edit. Thank you for your notes on this. Remember this is wikipedia, not the News of the World Mr Wiki Orinoco ( talk) 09:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Do not analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so.
@ Mr Wiki Orinoco. I don't want to edit war and break 3RR, so please revert your last edit. You need to wait for consensus. you edits rely on OR and sources which are not WP:RS. The big block quote you're adding is particularly problematic. Unbh ( talk) 13:01, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
The evidence in the article itself seems to point to Phillips being first and foremost a propagandist in service of Russian interests, with very little evidence that Phillips is interested in delivering fair and accurate information to his audience according to any journalistic code of ethics. I would therefore suggest removing the title of 'journalist' from the title of the article, as I do not feel Phillips has earned it (and granting it to him seems to me an implicit endorsement of his propaganda work by Wikipedia). If a professional title is required, I would suggest 'vlogger', as it has no connotations of following a code of ethics. Is there not a problem here that someone who Phillips may be trying to interview would take a quick look at this article and determine that it's safe to talk to him, without realizing what he's really about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dokkari22 ( talk • contribs) 07:08, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
2014 - journalist, BBC
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27506545
2016 - reporter, RFEL
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-graham-graham-phillips-reporter-/28008922.html
2019 - journalist, Balkaninsight
https://balkaninsight.com/2019/03/11/uk-journalist-banned-from-twitter-angers-some-in-kosovo/
Fast-forward to 2022, and it's a very mixed bag -
Nottingham Post - journalist -
https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/aiden-aslin-journalist-accused-spreading-7002425
The Times - film-maker
The Sun - 'journalist'
https://www.the-sun.com/news/5166881/graham-phillips-strip-uk-passport/
The Guardian - YouTuber, but mentions 'reinvented himself as a journalist'
Daily Mail - film-maker
Referring to Phillips as a 'journalist' does not imply any endorsement of him, or his work. As Turaids mentions, that is not what wikipedia does. Journalist is a broad term, which encompasses many different spheres, which many different elements can be incorporated under - including 'film-maker', and 'YouTuber'.
In Phillips' case, there are enough solid references to him as a journalist, in respected publications, to justify that description. Very problematic if we now start to try to move away from that, as apart from 'journalist', there is no given consensus as to what he does - reporter, YouTuber, 'journalist', film-maker, etc. There is also the possibility that YouTube deletes his channel, and then where would that leave us. Messy, to say the least.
So, for me, it's a solid stay at 'journalist', albeit without that implying any endorsement of him or his activities. Mr Wiki Orinoco ( talk) 14:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Phillips interviewed Aiden Aslin and placed the interview on youtube, Aiden is a prisoner of war and not a mercenary nor a terrorist. This constitutes a war crime as reported in many places including the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/20/who-is-graham-phillips-the-youtuber-accused-of-war-crimes He is also wanted for crimes against the Ukranian state. HuttonIT ( talk) 09:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Wiki editors should use common sense in citing sources. I can't read the body of the source but the title does not mention vandalism. I've no dispute that the Munich police opened an investigation but there's no record that they found he had done anything wrong, so it's smearing and innuendo to suggest otherwise. I was once quizzed as a rape suspect, along with hundreds of others. Does that make me a rapist? Nine-and-fifty swans ( talk) 14:08, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
I found the source article. The first paragraph makes it clear that it is a Ukrainian government claim. It should be reported as such. I'd no idea that the Ukrainian government held Stephan Bandera in such esteem. Thank you for drawing my attention to this. Nine-and-fifty swans ( talk) 14:43, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
[4] https://docs.fcdo.gov.uk/docs/UK-Sanctions-List.html
9 Others as of 2023-02-27. E.g. Unique ID: AQD0145 - Individual was put on there in 2015.
Where Nationalities: United Kingdom there are 11 others. 80.1.92.32 ( talk) 13:57, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Re [5]. I know for certain that Life.ru is not a reliable source [6]. I'm pretty sure that Rambler (portal) (owned by Russian government bank Sberbank) is also not reliable, as is 5TV (Russian TV channel) (basically run by RT). That edit still has Life.ru as a source too. Volunteer Marek 21:27, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
@ User:Luganchanka Re [7] - Zvezda is not a reliable source. Volunteer Marek 07:27, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
I see that the source was there earlier - still not reliable. Also not too sure about “the critic”. Volunteer Marek 07:28, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
At this time, Phillips was working for Russian state channel Zvezda, as a freelancer, having parted company with RT following his second deportation from Ukraine, along with uploading videos to his YouTube channel. [1]Luganchanka ( talk) 07:55, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
References
This is an insanely long article for a journalist. Sure, he is known for interviewing Aiden Aslin, but otherwise, what is he so notable of that the article should be almost as long as Albert Einstein's? AncientWalrus ( talk) 00:04, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Is such link useful? Xx236 ( talk) 12:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Since a judge has now ruled that Graham Phillips is a Russian asset rather than a journalist, surely this article should be moved, so the article title no longer pretends that he's a journalist?
"For the reasons given above, however, he is not an independent journalist. He is, to all intents and purposes, a russian asset who has signed up to Russia's propaganda war"
This echoes user:Dokkari22's concerns above. bobrayner ( talk) 13:29, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Having read the court judgement in full, I would strongly support a change of name to Graham Phillips (blogger). My reasoning is that he has not been a journalist since 2014, he produced no evidence to counter that fact. He does not display 'press' markings on his clothing, he has instead dressed in Russian military uniform and a Ukrainian uniform taken from a dead soldier. He did not benefit from the heightened protection afforded to journalistic content in article 10 of the UK sanctions law. His conduct is not that of a responsible journalist. He has displayed no actions of an objective, independent and fair-minded journalist. 'He has not shown any journalistic responsibility or ethics'. There is no mention of having a British Association of Journalists press card or belonging to any other press association or union. He had spent more of his working life and presumably earned more money from producing video blogs. Ânes-pur-sàng ( talk) 10:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC) https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Phillips-v-Secretary-of-State-for-Foreign-Commonwealth-and-Development-Affairs-Judgment.pdf
'British journalist'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27506545
In 2022, they still describe him as a journalist, but a 'pro-Russian UK journalist' -
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-62308528
I have my own personal views on Phillips, as we all do, but I've worked a lot on this article to ensure it is neutral, and balanced, as have other editors. It would be a shame now to start degrading the article with unnecessary, non-Wikipedia changes. Luganchanka ( talk) 13:56, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Re [8]. The source explicitly says he has been accused of war crimes. The title of the source is "Who is Graham Phillips, the YouTuber accused of ‘war crimes’?" In the source the relevant sentence is "the pro-Kremlin YouTuber finds himself accused in parliament of potential war crimes after interviewing a fellow Briton captured by the Russian army." and "MP Robert Jenrick went further, saying Phillips’ video showed his constituent “handcuffed, physically injured and being interviewed under duress for propaganda purposes”. He said it was a breach of the Geneva conventions on the treatment of prisoners of war and that “the interviewer Graham Phillips is in danger of prosecution for war crimes”."
In other words, removing any mention of the war crimes accusation is NOT "Better, more neutral wording". Rather it is a misrepresentation of a source (in this case The Guardian).
Please self revert. Volunteer Marek 20:01, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
"The 'war crimes' subject is extensively covered in the article already. What would the reason be now to bump this up to the intro"— that's exactly why it should be in the lead. It's meant to "summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies". Also the court judgment notes that the government itself accused him of breaching the Geneva Convention. – Asarlaí ( talk) 21:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
I had added this, because I felt it covered valid criticisms of Phillips' actions, and conduct -
"In his judgment, Justice Johnson also made multiple criticisms of Phillips' actions:
In October 2022, the claimant (Phillips) posted a video of himself wearing Russian military fatigues, bearing Russian insignia, and firing an automatic machine gun at an improvised firing range. He initially fires single shots. A man (who appears to be a Russian solider) then adjusts the weapon, and the claimant then fires it in automatic mode. The caption reads 'As Donbass goes into a war footing, I go to an improvised firing range, almost on the frontline itself, to brush up on my shooting skills.' The next caption reads 'From my side, this is really just symbolic, the ‘war footing’ doesn’t have a direct impact on myself, or my work…' He drives away in a Range Rover with a 'Z' insignia. (Justice Johnson)
"
I feel it was removed mistakenly, but with WP:Assume good faith. Is there any objection to re-adding it? Luganchanka ( talk) 13:11, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Is it possible if we can create a Pro-Russian Traitor list and add Graham Phillips in it? Because i definitely think that he betrayed the UK by siding with the Kremlin and Putin. Kremlin sellouts like him don't deserve a place Baltofan95 ( talk) 13:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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Government sanctions identify his birthplace as Dundee, Scotland, which are based on birth records. Phillips' consistently stated a birthplace and upbringing of Nottingham, England has been progressively disproven by school records, and now by the government sanctions list. I believe this makes clear his attempts to falsify his personal biography, and this warrants comment on his positioning himself as a journalist "of the utmost integrity". Please discuss.
I'm very confused about an edit correctly citing government stated evidence of his birthplace was rolled back in favour of repeating what appears to be a deliberate act of misinformation?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a0d:3344:179:2410:8492:e5bb:4766:123f ( talk) 21:55, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Please see
this edit (based on the following from the Guardian: This article was amended on 8 May 2023. An earlier version stated that Graham Phillips was born in Nottingham. Text has been changed to clarify that this is what Phillips has said, but that the sanctions list published by the UK government says he was born in Dundee.
and
this edit by
Luganchanka. Don't feel strongly but wanted to get views.
BobFromBrockley (
talk)
12:31, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
This has been a contentious issue on the article, most recently by @
Mr Wiki Orinoco in (
this diff, saying it was non-neutral and the subject wrote about "Kyiv brothel River Palace, and his own experience with prostitutes").
But we have two sources which mention his use brothels and it is not appropriate for users to use their own personal description not supported by reliable secondary sources. The Telegraph: He became a blogger, documenting – in now-deleted posts – events such as him sleeping with a Russian prostitute whilst high on drugs in Amsterdam and recounting the history of a notorious Odesa brothel.
[2]
The Times: He subsequently moved to Kyiv and then Odesa, where he wrote a blog reviewing nightclubs and brothels.
[3]
Solipsism 101 (
talk)
09:55, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
=== Noted - I included all of this information in my edit. But despite searching extensively, I have only found one 'brothel review' of his, of River Palace, which was also included in my edit. Thank you for your notes on this. Remember this is wikipedia, not the News of the World Mr Wiki Orinoco ( talk) 09:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Do not analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so.
@ Mr Wiki Orinoco. I don't want to edit war and break 3RR, so please revert your last edit. You need to wait for consensus. you edits rely on OR and sources which are not WP:RS. The big block quote you're adding is particularly problematic. Unbh ( talk) 13:01, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
The evidence in the article itself seems to point to Phillips being first and foremost a propagandist in service of Russian interests, with very little evidence that Phillips is interested in delivering fair and accurate information to his audience according to any journalistic code of ethics. I would therefore suggest removing the title of 'journalist' from the title of the article, as I do not feel Phillips has earned it (and granting it to him seems to me an implicit endorsement of his propaganda work by Wikipedia). If a professional title is required, I would suggest 'vlogger', as it has no connotations of following a code of ethics. Is there not a problem here that someone who Phillips may be trying to interview would take a quick look at this article and determine that it's safe to talk to him, without realizing what he's really about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dokkari22 ( talk • contribs) 07:08, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
2014 - journalist, BBC
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27506545
2016 - reporter, RFEL
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-graham-graham-phillips-reporter-/28008922.html
2019 - journalist, Balkaninsight
https://balkaninsight.com/2019/03/11/uk-journalist-banned-from-twitter-angers-some-in-kosovo/
Fast-forward to 2022, and it's a very mixed bag -
Nottingham Post - journalist -
https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/aiden-aslin-journalist-accused-spreading-7002425
The Times - film-maker
The Sun - 'journalist'
https://www.the-sun.com/news/5166881/graham-phillips-strip-uk-passport/
The Guardian - YouTuber, but mentions 'reinvented himself as a journalist'
Daily Mail - film-maker
Referring to Phillips as a 'journalist' does not imply any endorsement of him, or his work. As Turaids mentions, that is not what wikipedia does. Journalist is a broad term, which encompasses many different spheres, which many different elements can be incorporated under - including 'film-maker', and 'YouTuber'.
In Phillips' case, there are enough solid references to him as a journalist, in respected publications, to justify that description. Very problematic if we now start to try to move away from that, as apart from 'journalist', there is no given consensus as to what he does - reporter, YouTuber, 'journalist', film-maker, etc. There is also the possibility that YouTube deletes his channel, and then where would that leave us. Messy, to say the least.
So, for me, it's a solid stay at 'journalist', albeit without that implying any endorsement of him or his activities. Mr Wiki Orinoco ( talk) 14:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Phillips interviewed Aiden Aslin and placed the interview on youtube, Aiden is a prisoner of war and not a mercenary nor a terrorist. This constitutes a war crime as reported in many places including the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/20/who-is-graham-phillips-the-youtuber-accused-of-war-crimes He is also wanted for crimes against the Ukranian state. HuttonIT ( talk) 09:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Wiki editors should use common sense in citing sources. I can't read the body of the source but the title does not mention vandalism. I've no dispute that the Munich police opened an investigation but there's no record that they found he had done anything wrong, so it's smearing and innuendo to suggest otherwise. I was once quizzed as a rape suspect, along with hundreds of others. Does that make me a rapist? Nine-and-fifty swans ( talk) 14:08, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
I found the source article. The first paragraph makes it clear that it is a Ukrainian government claim. It should be reported as such. I'd no idea that the Ukrainian government held Stephan Bandera in such esteem. Thank you for drawing my attention to this. Nine-and-fifty swans ( talk) 14:43, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
[4] https://docs.fcdo.gov.uk/docs/UK-Sanctions-List.html
9 Others as of 2023-02-27. E.g. Unique ID: AQD0145 - Individual was put on there in 2015.
Where Nationalities: United Kingdom there are 11 others. 80.1.92.32 ( talk) 13:57, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Re [5]. I know for certain that Life.ru is not a reliable source [6]. I'm pretty sure that Rambler (portal) (owned by Russian government bank Sberbank) is also not reliable, as is 5TV (Russian TV channel) (basically run by RT). That edit still has Life.ru as a source too. Volunteer Marek 21:27, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
@ User:Luganchanka Re [7] - Zvezda is not a reliable source. Volunteer Marek 07:27, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
I see that the source was there earlier - still not reliable. Also not too sure about “the critic”. Volunteer Marek 07:28, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
At this time, Phillips was working for Russian state channel Zvezda, as a freelancer, having parted company with RT following his second deportation from Ukraine, along with uploading videos to his YouTube channel. [1]Luganchanka ( talk) 07:55, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
References
This is an insanely long article for a journalist. Sure, he is known for interviewing Aiden Aslin, but otherwise, what is he so notable of that the article should be almost as long as Albert Einstein's? AncientWalrus ( talk) 00:04, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Is such link useful? Xx236 ( talk) 12:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Since a judge has now ruled that Graham Phillips is a Russian asset rather than a journalist, surely this article should be moved, so the article title no longer pretends that he's a journalist?
"For the reasons given above, however, he is not an independent journalist. He is, to all intents and purposes, a russian asset who has signed up to Russia's propaganda war"
This echoes user:Dokkari22's concerns above. bobrayner ( talk) 13:29, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Having read the court judgement in full, I would strongly support a change of name to Graham Phillips (blogger). My reasoning is that he has not been a journalist since 2014, he produced no evidence to counter that fact. He does not display 'press' markings on his clothing, he has instead dressed in Russian military uniform and a Ukrainian uniform taken from a dead soldier. He did not benefit from the heightened protection afforded to journalistic content in article 10 of the UK sanctions law. His conduct is not that of a responsible journalist. He has displayed no actions of an objective, independent and fair-minded journalist. 'He has not shown any journalistic responsibility or ethics'. There is no mention of having a British Association of Journalists press card or belonging to any other press association or union. He had spent more of his working life and presumably earned more money from producing video blogs. Ânes-pur-sàng ( talk) 10:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC) https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Phillips-v-Secretary-of-State-for-Foreign-Commonwealth-and-Development-Affairs-Judgment.pdf
'British journalist'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27506545
In 2022, they still describe him as a journalist, but a 'pro-Russian UK journalist' -
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-62308528
I have my own personal views on Phillips, as we all do, but I've worked a lot on this article to ensure it is neutral, and balanced, as have other editors. It would be a shame now to start degrading the article with unnecessary, non-Wikipedia changes. Luganchanka ( talk) 13:56, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Re [8]. The source explicitly says he has been accused of war crimes. The title of the source is "Who is Graham Phillips, the YouTuber accused of ‘war crimes’?" In the source the relevant sentence is "the pro-Kremlin YouTuber finds himself accused in parliament of potential war crimes after interviewing a fellow Briton captured by the Russian army." and "MP Robert Jenrick went further, saying Phillips’ video showed his constituent “handcuffed, physically injured and being interviewed under duress for propaganda purposes”. He said it was a breach of the Geneva conventions on the treatment of prisoners of war and that “the interviewer Graham Phillips is in danger of prosecution for war crimes”."
In other words, removing any mention of the war crimes accusation is NOT "Better, more neutral wording". Rather it is a misrepresentation of a source (in this case The Guardian).
Please self revert. Volunteer Marek 20:01, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
"The 'war crimes' subject is extensively covered in the article already. What would the reason be now to bump this up to the intro"— that's exactly why it should be in the lead. It's meant to "summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies". Also the court judgment notes that the government itself accused him of breaching the Geneva Convention. – Asarlaí ( talk) 21:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
I had added this, because I felt it covered valid criticisms of Phillips' actions, and conduct -
"In his judgment, Justice Johnson also made multiple criticisms of Phillips' actions:
In October 2022, the claimant (Phillips) posted a video of himself wearing Russian military fatigues, bearing Russian insignia, and firing an automatic machine gun at an improvised firing range. He initially fires single shots. A man (who appears to be a Russian solider) then adjusts the weapon, and the claimant then fires it in automatic mode. The caption reads 'As Donbass goes into a war footing, I go to an improvised firing range, almost on the frontline itself, to brush up on my shooting skills.' The next caption reads 'From my side, this is really just symbolic, the ‘war footing’ doesn’t have a direct impact on myself, or my work…' He drives away in a Range Rover with a 'Z' insignia. (Justice Johnson)
"
I feel it was removed mistakenly, but with WP:Assume good faith. Is there any objection to re-adding it? Luganchanka ( talk) 13:11, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Is it possible if we can create a Pro-Russian Traitor list and add Graham Phillips in it? Because i definitely think that he betrayed the UK by siding with the Kremlin and Putin. Kremlin sellouts like him don't deserve a place Baltofan95 ( talk) 13:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)