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This article nearly made it to featured on its submit to FAC; I think a few relatively small improvements could ensure an easy and successful resubmit.
These are just some semi-random ideas; what do others think?-- Pharos 21:23, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
I think the article could be greatly improved if the lede mentioned its length and width at its widest point. Frank Lynch ( talk) 18:55, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
I bicycled over the canal this afternoon on the 9th Street bridge, on my way from Flatbush to the Columbia Street Pier and Plymouth Church. Oil refinery? I don't recall seeing one anywhere in NYC, much less one between Sunset Park and Red Hook. There's an oil terminal or two, if not on the canal then less than a mile to the southwest, but they just pump fuel out of barges and pump it into trucks. There's no fractionating column, catalytic reactor or other sign of a refinery. Jim.henderson 01:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
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I notice the reference to oil refineries has disappeared, but the article still has a link to gas meaning gasoline. Isn't this improbable in a place that never had regular freight rail service? Bayonne makes gasoline, or formerly made it, but Bayonne has rail freight. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jim.henderson ( talk • contribs) 04:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC).
This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Gowanus Canal/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment. This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I do however have some general comments and two specific points to go with them (See below). Firstly, some quite large sections of this article are very sparsely sourced and should have a lot more. Secondly, most of the web sources are improperly cited (see citations section below). Thirdly, parts of this article assume a familiarity with Brooklyn that a lot of readers don't have. Consider rephrasing and explaining a bit more.
The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards,
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Please note that the coordinates in this article need fixing as 40° 40′ 22.8″ S, 106° 0′ 10.8″ E is in the ocean W/SW of Australia, not New York City
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Aww ... someone took out the sentence about groups trying to develop the Gowanus into a Venice of New York and that it was led by a funeral director. It was colorful and (knowing NYC's notorious real estate mongers) might even be partly true. Angry bee ( talk) 04:33, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
i'll try to update the article, but at leas wanted to get this noted.
NytImes ran an article on upcoming improvements to the Flushing Tunnel and the pump system that have the potential to further increase water quality. Link here:
NY times 2011-02-23 Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.162.118 ( talk) 06:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
There is an franco-german film about this part of the harbour:
Look at the mediathek: Info des produz. Senders arte.tv, 2015 jan. -- Asdfj2 ( talk) 17:30, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I am nominating the article about Gowanus Canal for Good Article criteria again. The last time it was reviewed was in 2008, wherein it passed the criteria. The article has changed significantly since then. Thus, it should be updated to the 2017 Good Article standards, which is why I am requesting a community assessment. Just to clarify, I want this page's Good Article status to be kept. epicgenius ( talk) 00:56, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I am placing the Good Article tools template here so I can more easily see what the possible issues with this article might be.
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@ Shearonink: Thanks for the question on the External Media template. This is one of those things that goes way, way back on Wikipedia, and IMHO is grossly underused. If Wikipedia is to use video, which is a pervasive modern form of communication, often the only alternative is to use this template. Some basics:
"3. Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues" and length or other reasons.
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The key restrictions that are on the use of this template are that
I think these videos all qualify.
Last, we have to say "What does this add to the article?"
IMHO - a huge amount. Most of us don't see sites like this and a simple photo is sorely lacking when we can see the site from multiple angles, at different times of the day, with different affected people explaining their views. If a picture is worth a thousand words, any one of these videos is worth a million.
BTW TEDx talks are a pretty common use of this templet. Imagine seeing a simple photo, then add on a 1 minute voice recording. That tells you a lot about the person. Now compare that to a video showing them walk, talk, and maybe even chew gum for 15 minutes, propounding on a topic that they are passionate about, and which they a considered an expert on. No contest is there?
Hope this helps.
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The canal has been the home to various arts organizations. Issue Project Room once organized art events in a converted silo along the bank of the canal.[105] The Yard, an outdoor concert space, opened in the summer of 2007 near the Carroll Street bridge.[106]" - these can be combined into one paragraph
This is in good shape. Once these are fixed, I can post my reference comments. ceran thor 17:19, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Epicgenius: This article is really well done. It should be a Featured Article! Yoninah ( talk) 21:37, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
While I appreciate the effort put into this section, I just removed it from this page. It is a pretty long list of deaths, suicide attempts, and other incidents in the canal (and this only spans 1882-1921!). Per WP:NOTTRIVIA, we really shouldn't be including this list of incidents here, and we don't need to list each and every single person who jumped in the canal, or drowned, or was rescued. It tends to attract unnecessary trivia and many of these news articles are short one-sentence mentions.
Below are the list entries that I removed. Feel free to discuss each incident on a case by case basis; if it's notable, it can be restored. epicgenius ( talk) 19:32, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
References
I reverted this edit that was made today. On the whole, this entire edit needs discussion because it is trying to cram many major changes into a single edit. Since this is a good article, i think any major rearrangement of the article should be discussed here first.
Here are my objections in particular:
Once a vital cargo transportation hub, the canal has seen decreasing use since the mid-20th century, parallel with the decline of domestic waterborne shipping. It continues to be used for occasional movement of goods and daily navigation of small boats, tugs and barges.- this provides vital context to the rest of the article - has been removed.
In 1848, the Brooklyn Common Council issues an engineering report in conjunction with plans by Daniel Richards for the drainage of 1700 acres of land between Brooklyn’s Court-Street and the Fifth-Avenue, Warren-Street and Gowanus Bay. The plan authorized construction for a 100 foot wide, 1.5 mile long canal, with the banks of the canal set at 4-feet above high water level with a canal depth of 5-feet below low water mark. In this way the upland “meadows will gradually become more firm”. The goal of the development scheme was to have an engineered drainage basin which would allow for building on the upland meadows and provide a navigable water way which would serve as the end of the New York State Erie canal transportation route.If this text is included at all, it should really be included in the "History" section. At most, the lead would have one section.
By the 1990s, it was recognized as one of the most polluted bodies of water in the United States. And after of century of local community activism calling for the cleanup of the canal, in 2009, New York State invited the federal EPA in to assess the situation. With overwhelming community support, the EPA designated the Gowanus Canal a Superfund site in 2010. In 2013 the EPA issues a Record of Decision, a court order which delineates what the polluting parties must do to remediate the situation.Again, this has a lot of tense problems.
Following the conclusion of the DEP USA Project study, a group of stakeholders formed an activist civic organization, Friends & Residents of Greater Gowanus (FROGG). In 2006 FROGG, acting in conjunction with Community Board 6, submitted a grant application to New York State for Brownfield cleanup planning grant for "Gowanus Canal Corridor AQUATIC BROWNFIELD & UPLAND BROWNFIELD AREA".
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This article nearly made it to featured on its submit to FAC; I think a few relatively small improvements could ensure an easy and successful resubmit.
These are just some semi-random ideas; what do others think?-- Pharos 21:23, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
I think the article could be greatly improved if the lede mentioned its length and width at its widest point. Frank Lynch ( talk) 18:55, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
I bicycled over the canal this afternoon on the 9th Street bridge, on my way from Flatbush to the Columbia Street Pier and Plymouth Church. Oil refinery? I don't recall seeing one anywhere in NYC, much less one between Sunset Park and Red Hook. There's an oil terminal or two, if not on the canal then less than a mile to the southwest, but they just pump fuel out of barges and pump it into trucks. There's no fractionating column, catalytic reactor or other sign of a refinery. Jim.henderson 01:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Members of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles are in the process of doing a re-review of current Good Article listings to ensure compliance with the standards of the Good Article Criteria. (Discussion of the changes and re-review can be found here). A significant change to the GA criteria is the mandatory use of some sort of in-line citation (In accordance to WP:CITE) to be used in order for an article to pass the verification and reference criteria. Currently this article does not include in-line citations. It is recommended that the article's editors take a look at the inclusion of in-line citations as well as how the article stacks up against the rest of the Good Article criteria. GA reviewers will give you at least a week's time from the date of this notice to work on the in-line citations before doing a full re-review and deciding if the article still merits being considered a Good Article or would need to be de-listed. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact us on the Good Article project talk page or you may contact me personally. On behalf of the Good Articles Project, I want to thank you for all the time and effort that you have put into working on this article and improving the overall quality of the Wikipedia project. LuciferMorgan 02:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I notice the reference to oil refineries has disappeared, but the article still has a link to gas meaning gasoline. Isn't this improbable in a place that never had regular freight rail service? Bayonne makes gasoline, or formerly made it, but Bayonne has rail freight. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jim.henderson ( talk • contribs) 04:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC).
This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Gowanus Canal/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment. This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I do however have some general comments and two specific points to go with them (See below). Firstly, some quite large sections of this article are very sparsely sourced and should have a lot more. Secondly, most of the web sources are improperly cited (see citations section below). Thirdly, parts of this article assume a familiarity with Brooklyn that a lot of readers don't have. Consider rephrasing and explaining a bit more.
The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards,
Jackyd101 (
talk)
14:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
The internet inline citations used in this article are improperly formatted. Internet citations require at the very least information on the title, publisher and last access date of any webpages used. If the source is a news article then the date of publication and the author are also important. This information is useful because it allows a reader to a) rapidly identify a source's origin b) ascertain the reliability of that source and c) find other copies of the source should the website that hosts it become unavaliable for any reason. It may also in some circumstances aid in determining the existance or status of potential copyright infringments. Finally, it looks much tidier, making the article appear more professional. There are various ways in which this information can be represented in the citation, listed at length at Wikipedia:Citing sources. The simplest way of doing this is in the following format:
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As an example:
which looks like:
If any information is unknown then simply omit it, but title, publisher and last access dates are always required. I strongly recommend that all internet inline references in this article be formatted. If you have any further questions please contact me and as mentioned above, more information on this issue can be found at Wikipedia:Citing sources. Regards
{{ geodata-check}}
Please note that the coordinates in this article need fixing as 40° 40′ 22.8″ S, 106° 0′ 10.8″ E is in the ocean W/SW of Australia, not New York City
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.212.215 ( talk • contribs)
Aww ... someone took out the sentence about groups trying to develop the Gowanus into a Venice of New York and that it was led by a funeral director. It was colorful and (knowing NYC's notorious real estate mongers) might even be partly true. Angry bee ( talk) 04:33, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
i'll try to update the article, but at leas wanted to get this noted.
NytImes ran an article on upcoming improvements to the Flushing Tunnel and the pump system that have the potential to further increase water quality. Link here:
NY times 2011-02-23 Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.162.118 ( talk) 06:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
There is an franco-german film about this part of the harbour:
Look at the mediathek: Info des produz. Senders arte.tv, 2015 jan. -- Asdfj2 ( talk) 17:30, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I am nominating the article about Gowanus Canal for Good Article criteria again. The last time it was reviewed was in 2008, wherein it passed the criteria. The article has changed significantly since then. Thus, it should be updated to the 2017 Good Article standards, which is why I am requesting a community assessment. Just to clarify, I want this page's Good Article status to be kept. epicgenius ( talk) 00:56, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I am placing the Good Article tools template here so I can more easily see what the possible issues with this article might be.
Shearonink (
talk)
06:05, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
@ Shearonink: Thanks for the question on the External Media template. This is one of those things that goes way, way back on Wikipedia, and IMHO is grossly underused. If Wikipedia is to use video, which is a pervasive modern form of communication, often the only alternative is to use this template. Some basics:
"3. Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues" and length or other reasons.
"Because the Commons and Metawiki have a 100MB limit on files some files are added to YouTube for use in Wikipedia that are gathered from United States government sources such as the National Archives by WikiProject FedFlix or other projects. These files can be used on Wikipedia articles if available. ... {{External media}} can be used within the body of an article when media is necessary but not available through free or fair-use rules."
The key restrictions that are on the use of this template are that
I think these videos all qualify.
Last, we have to say "What does this add to the article?"
IMHO - a huge amount. Most of us don't see sites like this and a simple photo is sorely lacking when we can see the site from multiple angles, at different times of the day, with different affected people explaining their views. If a picture is worth a thousand words, any one of these videos is worth a million.
BTW TEDx talks are a pretty common use of this templet. Imagine seeing a simple photo, then add on a 1 minute voice recording. That tells you a lot about the person. Now compare that to a video showing them walk, talk, and maybe even chew gum for 15 minutes, propounding on a topic that they are passionate about, and which they a considered an expert on. No contest is there?
Hope this helps.
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The canal has been the home to various arts organizations. Issue Project Room once organized art events in a converted silo along the bank of the canal.[105] The Yard, an outdoor concert space, opened in the summer of 2007 near the Carroll Street bridge.[106]" - these can be combined into one paragraph
This is in good shape. Once these are fixed, I can post my reference comments. ceran thor 17:19, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Epicgenius: This article is really well done. It should be a Featured Article! Yoninah ( talk) 21:37, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
While I appreciate the effort put into this section, I just removed it from this page. It is a pretty long list of deaths, suicide attempts, and other incidents in the canal (and this only spans 1882-1921!). Per WP:NOTTRIVIA, we really shouldn't be including this list of incidents here, and we don't need to list each and every single person who jumped in the canal, or drowned, or was rescued. It tends to attract unnecessary trivia and many of these news articles are short one-sentence mentions.
Below are the list entries that I removed. Feel free to discuss each incident on a case by case basis; if it's notable, it can be restored. epicgenius ( talk) 19:32, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
References
I reverted this edit that was made today. On the whole, this entire edit needs discussion because it is trying to cram many major changes into a single edit. Since this is a good article, i think any major rearrangement of the article should be discussed here first.
Here are my objections in particular:
Once a vital cargo transportation hub, the canal has seen decreasing use since the mid-20th century, parallel with the decline of domestic waterborne shipping. It continues to be used for occasional movement of goods and daily navigation of small boats, tugs and barges.- this provides vital context to the rest of the article - has been removed.
In 1848, the Brooklyn Common Council issues an engineering report in conjunction with plans by Daniel Richards for the drainage of 1700 acres of land between Brooklyn’s Court-Street and the Fifth-Avenue, Warren-Street and Gowanus Bay. The plan authorized construction for a 100 foot wide, 1.5 mile long canal, with the banks of the canal set at 4-feet above high water level with a canal depth of 5-feet below low water mark. In this way the upland “meadows will gradually become more firm”. The goal of the development scheme was to have an engineered drainage basin which would allow for building on the upland meadows and provide a navigable water way which would serve as the end of the New York State Erie canal transportation route.If this text is included at all, it should really be included in the "History" section. At most, the lead would have one section.
By the 1990s, it was recognized as one of the most polluted bodies of water in the United States. And after of century of local community activism calling for the cleanup of the canal, in 2009, New York State invited the federal EPA in to assess the situation. With overwhelming community support, the EPA designated the Gowanus Canal a Superfund site in 2010. In 2013 the EPA issues a Record of Decision, a court order which delineates what the polluting parties must do to remediate the situation.Again, this has a lot of tense problems.
Following the conclusion of the DEP USA Project study, a group of stakeholders formed an activist civic organization, Friends & Residents of Greater Gowanus (FROGG). In 2006 FROGG, acting in conjunction with Community Board 6, submitted a grant application to New York State for Brownfield cleanup planning grant for "Gowanus Canal Corridor AQUATIC BROWNFIELD & UPLAND BROWNFIELD AREA".