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Requested move 28 July 2023
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requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
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That template refers to the article on the Government because there is no actual administrative division. The government, including the Abkhazia’s Supreme Council, serves constituents
from Tbilisi. You are right that the article should cover the legislative branch, as well as what the government does; it's a very underdeveloped article.
CMD (
talk)
10:53, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
As far as I'm aware, there is no Government of Taiwan Province, just a handful of legislators. On the other hand, this article covers an actual body that exists. Your proposal is to remove this simple and accessible clarity from readers, supposedly due to the need for an article which already exists.
CMD (
talk)
11:06, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
It is necessary to have an article for the autonomous republic. And I don't see any objective reason to do differently from what we did for all the other separatists of the former USSR.
Panam2014 (
talk)
11:16, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
If you think there could be an article on the nominal administrative structure supported by sources that doesn't duplicate what is and what could simply be in
Administrative divisions of Georgia (country), then that's something you should find sources for to demonstrate. It is however not what you have proposed, which is to move this article, which is about a specific government body, and is in complete alignment with many other articles on separatists of the former USSR (
1,
2,
3,
4.
5,etc.).
CMD (
talk)
11:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Estonia, Belarus and Georgia are not separatists. And South Ossetia is not a recognized province within Georgia. Again, we have sources for Taiwan province because it is nominally province of Taiwan. Same for ARA.
Panam2014 (
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11:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
As far as I'm aware, there is no Government of Taiwan Province, just a handful of legislators. You might be surprised to learn that the "Government of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia" is precisely this: a handful of officials with nice-sounding titles who otherwise focus on unrelated work (please click through the name list in the article). The whole "Government" is closely linked to, and not notable independently from, the legal construct called "Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia", which thus happens to be the primary topic. —
kashmīrīTALK15:47, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Support. The Taiwan comparison is rather apt here. The whole "Government of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia" consists of a handful of Tbilisi-based officials tasked with representing externally the territory that Georgia now calls Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia. The group does not exist separately from that legal construct (ARA), and ARA is the primary topic for the content of this article. —
kashmīrīTALK15:55, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Requested move 28 July 2023
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
That template refers to the article on the Government because there is no actual administrative division. The government, including the Abkhazia’s Supreme Council, serves constituents
from Tbilisi. You are right that the article should cover the legislative branch, as well as what the government does; it's a very underdeveloped article.
CMD (
talk)
10:53, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
As far as I'm aware, there is no Government of Taiwan Province, just a handful of legislators. On the other hand, this article covers an actual body that exists. Your proposal is to remove this simple and accessible clarity from readers, supposedly due to the need for an article which already exists.
CMD (
talk)
11:06, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
It is necessary to have an article for the autonomous republic. And I don't see any objective reason to do differently from what we did for all the other separatists of the former USSR.
Panam2014 (
talk)
11:16, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
If you think there could be an article on the nominal administrative structure supported by sources that doesn't duplicate what is and what could simply be in
Administrative divisions of Georgia (country), then that's something you should find sources for to demonstrate. It is however not what you have proposed, which is to move this article, which is about a specific government body, and is in complete alignment with many other articles on separatists of the former USSR (
1,
2,
3,
4.
5,etc.).
CMD (
talk)
11:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Estonia, Belarus and Georgia are not separatists. And South Ossetia is not a recognized province within Georgia. Again, we have sources for Taiwan province because it is nominally province of Taiwan. Same for ARA.
Panam2014 (
talk)
11:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
As far as I'm aware, there is no Government of Taiwan Province, just a handful of legislators. You might be surprised to learn that the "Government of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia" is precisely this: a handful of officials with nice-sounding titles who otherwise focus on unrelated work (please click through the name list in the article). The whole "Government" is closely linked to, and not notable independently from, the legal construct called "Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia", which thus happens to be the primary topic. —
kashmīrīTALK15:47, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Support. The Taiwan comparison is rather apt here. The whole "Government of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia" consists of a handful of Tbilisi-based officials tasked with representing externally the territory that Georgia now calls Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia. The group does not exist separately from that legal construct (ARA), and ARA is the primary topic for the content of this article. —
kashmīrīTALK15:55, 28 July 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.