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This is not correct "The deposit of urate crystals in soft tissues, in particular the joints and kidney, causes pain and inflammation, which can be seen if near the surface as red, inflamed tissue called 'tophi'." Tophi are not red and inflamed. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 16:01, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Zad
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Zad
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19:02, 7 April 2016 (UTC)this comes as a complete layman in medicine so I might be missing jargon or some other detail, but the inflammatory in inflammatory arthritis seems rather redundant considering the meaning of the -itis suffix. I cannot imagine a form of arthritis that is not inflammatory. Is this done to make it easier to read or am I missing something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henkalv ( talk • contribs) 11:53, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Rasburicase is not a human protein and to my knowledge, bears no significant homology with any human protein. Therefore, it cannot trigger a 'autoimmune' response, merely an immune response leading to similar outcomes as the immunization to monoclonal antibodies from mice or rats used in the past. 80.12.33.4 ( talk) 19:15, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Insert the following information and references after the original first sentence in the Prevention section, as the beginning of a second paragraph; use the orginal second sentence as the beginning of a third paragraph:
A diet rich in sucrose may lead to gout as it raises the level of insulin, which is inversely associated with excretion of uric acid from the body. [1] As the concentration of uric acid in the body increases, so does the concentration of uric acid in the joint liquid and beyond a critical concentration, the uric acid begins to precipitate into crystals. Researchers have implicated sugary drinks high in fructose in a surge in cases of gout. [2] [3]
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-- 68.40.122.133 ( talk) 21:46, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(16)00346-9 JFW | T@lk 14:19, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Four papers!
JFW | T@lk 11:58, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
This might be interesting, since it has been recognized as a disease since Hector was a pup. In this [ [2]] we see that colchicum was offered as a treatment since Galen's time. Kortoso ( talk) 18:52, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Is Gout caused by a high intake of beer or alcohol, historically it was well known that those who imbibed a lot of wine or spirits would be more subject to gout. Not an expert in the disease but it seems unlikely that beer alone is a casual factor in gout. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.45.150 ( talk) 18:39, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
I know later we have a reference to alcohol causing or more correctly being causal of gout, and alcohol in general, but it seems the original statement needs revision?
Just talking something from daily clinic nursing and treatment: in my family, there are some members who have gotten the illness of Gout. From my observations, I find: For them, yes, beer (especially its alcohol - it's not to say all drinks with alcohol can cause this problem but particularly beer's... ), seafood (especially some types with full of juice, like oyster...; Wikipedia introduction: /info/en/?search=Oyster)and juice of several types meats (including beef soup etc.) carrying higher purine in urine acid (Wikipedia introduction: /info/en/?search=Purine_metabolism ) can cause Gout attacks. We found, indeed, taking certain dried beef, some types of seafood (such as dried squid...) and cooking them with much vegetable, usually wouldn't bring attacks. I guessed it was caused by Purine metabolism's water-solubility and over-saturation in our body liquid. When Purine densities were over too much, crystals automatically filtered out of our cell-walls (bones and flesh), and then out of skin, which would block blood circulation. But, if we ate a few of some dried foods (like dried beef), juices dried out will take away a large part of purine in foods, which leave some only nutrients (fibres and proteins) can be absorbed which benefits our health. But, animal organs truly couldn't be eaten, even a little... From the study of symptoms, we got a special view: it was similar to a widespread Allergy (Wikipedia introduction: /info/en/?search=Allergy), but from bones (or Bone marrow - Wikipedia introduction: /info/en/?search=Bone_marrow and blood vessels attached upon bones). Deeply say: its symptoms have all met Allergy's basic elements - towards certain foods or their certain matters (elements), Toxins interacting with proteins, being looked Red and swollen, and being felt the very pains in some areas. Meanwhile, every time before it's occurrence, urine smells specially and is looked yellow enough to red, which reflected the difficulty of kidneys' functions. Then, from its results, we can see: the fire-feeling and joint-pain are similar to bruise (Wikipedia introduction: /info/en/?search=Bruise) or bitten by some insects, which I think would be in relative with blood-blocking and channel-folded. Hopefully, more common ways would be researched out for people's daily nursing and self-treatments. You know, Colchicine (Wikipedia introduction: /info/en/?search=Colchicine) is a very toxic matter damaging kidneys. If we would borrow some ways from the treatments of both bruise and allergy, and researching, and then guiding body's self-sustaining of Purine metabolism, patients' pains would be decreased. Jason M. C., Han ( talk) 14:39, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
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clarify meaning so people don't need to look up "tophus"
change: Diagnosis of gout may be confirmed by the presence of crystals in the joint fluid or tophus.
to: Diagnosis of gout may be confirmed by the presence of crystals in the joint fluid, called tophus. 50.0.246.32 ( talk) 23:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
The intro says dairy can worsen gout. The body says dairy can lessen gout. There's distinction of course, about different kinds of dairy.
This needs to be cleared up about "good" and "bad" dairy. Since the intro should merely summarize the body this inconsistency probably arises by using different source references. Thess references should be combined into a complete summary of dairy's impact on your, and then sumarized in the intro. 73.109.56.234 ( talk) 03:44, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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Does an article about gout still need to be semi-protected? I'm not seeing much or any vandalism here. Snow Rise, is it possible to remove the semi-protected status? Thisnotnpov ( talk) 01:26, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Why is gout listed in the infobox as belonging to the 'emergency medicine' speciality?! It might be an emergency for the patient, but it's hardly an emergency in a medical sense. Surely it should be listed under 'Rheumatology': its normal classification? I've made this change, because it's clearly wrong, plus some more accurate wording regarding urate lowering therapy drugs. There needs to be some work done on representing a more global, rather than USA-centric article. For instance, under the NSAIDS section, Naproxen or Diclofenac would be the usual first-line choice in the UK, rather than Indometacin. I'll get to this shortly. Fortnum ( talk) 15:39, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Not seeing were the ref says "initiation of febuxostat has a particularly high risk of precipitating a flare" Can you provide a direct quote? Not seeing that claim in the ref in question... Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 13:09, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
User:Fortnum Were does it support "increase in dosage of urate-lowering therapy"
And were does it say Xrays "are not useful for confirming a diagnosis of chronic" gout? Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 13:41, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 12:45, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
This is not correct "The deposit of urate crystals in soft tissues, in particular the joints and kidney, causes pain and inflammation, which can be seen if near the surface as red, inflamed tissue called 'tophi'." Tophi are not red and inflamed. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 16:01, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Zad
68
20:13, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Zad
68
19:02, 7 April 2016 (UTC)this comes as a complete layman in medicine so I might be missing jargon or some other detail, but the inflammatory in inflammatory arthritis seems rather redundant considering the meaning of the -itis suffix. I cannot imagine a form of arthritis that is not inflammatory. Is this done to make it easier to read or am I missing something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henkalv ( talk • contribs) 11:53, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Rasburicase is not a human protein and to my knowledge, bears no significant homology with any human protein. Therefore, it cannot trigger a 'autoimmune' response, merely an immune response leading to similar outcomes as the immunization to monoclonal antibodies from mice or rats used in the past. 80.12.33.4 ( talk) 19:15, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Insert the following information and references after the original first sentence in the Prevention section, as the beginning of a second paragraph; use the orginal second sentence as the beginning of a third paragraph:
A diet rich in sucrose may lead to gout as it raises the level of insulin, which is inversely associated with excretion of uric acid from the body. [1] As the concentration of uric acid in the body increases, so does the concentration of uric acid in the joint liquid and beyond a critical concentration, the uric acid begins to precipitate into crystals. Researchers have implicated sugary drinks high in fructose in a surge in cases of gout. [2] [3]
References
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cite web}}
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help)
-- 68.40.122.133 ( talk) 21:46, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(16)00346-9 JFW | T@lk 14:19, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Four papers!
JFW | T@lk 11:58, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
This might be interesting, since it has been recognized as a disease since Hector was a pup. In this [ [2]] we see that colchicum was offered as a treatment since Galen's time. Kortoso ( talk) 18:52, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Is Gout caused by a high intake of beer or alcohol, historically it was well known that those who imbibed a lot of wine or spirits would be more subject to gout. Not an expert in the disease but it seems unlikely that beer alone is a casual factor in gout. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.45.150 ( talk) 18:39, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
I know later we have a reference to alcohol causing or more correctly being causal of gout, and alcohol in general, but it seems the original statement needs revision?
Just talking something from daily clinic nursing and treatment: in my family, there are some members who have gotten the illness of Gout. From my observations, I find: For them, yes, beer (especially its alcohol - it's not to say all drinks with alcohol can cause this problem but particularly beer's... ), seafood (especially some types with full of juice, like oyster...; Wikipedia introduction: /info/en/?search=Oyster)and juice of several types meats (including beef soup etc.) carrying higher purine in urine acid (Wikipedia introduction: /info/en/?search=Purine_metabolism ) can cause Gout attacks. We found, indeed, taking certain dried beef, some types of seafood (such as dried squid...) and cooking them with much vegetable, usually wouldn't bring attacks. I guessed it was caused by Purine metabolism's water-solubility and over-saturation in our body liquid. When Purine densities were over too much, crystals automatically filtered out of our cell-walls (bones and flesh), and then out of skin, which would block blood circulation. But, if we ate a few of some dried foods (like dried beef), juices dried out will take away a large part of purine in foods, which leave some only nutrients (fibres and proteins) can be absorbed which benefits our health. But, animal organs truly couldn't be eaten, even a little... From the study of symptoms, we got a special view: it was similar to a widespread Allergy (Wikipedia introduction: /info/en/?search=Allergy), but from bones (or Bone marrow - Wikipedia introduction: /info/en/?search=Bone_marrow and blood vessels attached upon bones). Deeply say: its symptoms have all met Allergy's basic elements - towards certain foods or their certain matters (elements), Toxins interacting with proteins, being looked Red and swollen, and being felt the very pains in some areas. Meanwhile, every time before it's occurrence, urine smells specially and is looked yellow enough to red, which reflected the difficulty of kidneys' functions. Then, from its results, we can see: the fire-feeling and joint-pain are similar to bruise (Wikipedia introduction: /info/en/?search=Bruise) or bitten by some insects, which I think would be in relative with blood-blocking and channel-folded. Hopefully, more common ways would be researched out for people's daily nursing and self-treatments. You know, Colchicine (Wikipedia introduction: /info/en/?search=Colchicine) is a very toxic matter damaging kidneys. If we would borrow some ways from the treatments of both bruise and allergy, and researching, and then guiding body's self-sustaining of Purine metabolism, patients' pains would be decreased. Jason M. C., Han ( talk) 14:39, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
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clarify meaning so people don't need to look up "tophus"
change: Diagnosis of gout may be confirmed by the presence of crystals in the joint fluid or tophus.
to: Diagnosis of gout may be confirmed by the presence of crystals in the joint fluid, called tophus. 50.0.246.32 ( talk) 23:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
The intro says dairy can worsen gout. The body says dairy can lessen gout. There's distinction of course, about different kinds of dairy.
This needs to be cleared up about "good" and "bad" dairy. Since the intro should merely summarize the body this inconsistency probably arises by using different source references. Thess references should be combined into a complete summary of dairy's impact on your, and then sumarized in the intro. 73.109.56.234 ( talk) 03:44, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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Edited Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 06:24, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Does an article about gout still need to be semi-protected? I'm not seeing much or any vandalism here. Snow Rise, is it possible to remove the semi-protected status? Thisnotnpov ( talk) 01:26, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Why is gout listed in the infobox as belonging to the 'emergency medicine' speciality?! It might be an emergency for the patient, but it's hardly an emergency in a medical sense. Surely it should be listed under 'Rheumatology': its normal classification? I've made this change, because it's clearly wrong, plus some more accurate wording regarding urate lowering therapy drugs. There needs to be some work done on representing a more global, rather than USA-centric article. For instance, under the NSAIDS section, Naproxen or Diclofenac would be the usual first-line choice in the UK, rather than Indometacin. I'll get to this shortly. Fortnum ( talk) 15:39, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Not seeing were the ref says "initiation of febuxostat has a particularly high risk of precipitating a flare" Can you provide a direct quote? Not seeing that claim in the ref in question... Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 13:09, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
User:Fortnum Were does it support "increase in dosage of urate-lowering therapy"
And were does it say Xrays "are not useful for confirming a diagnosis of chronic" gout? Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 13:41, 22 August 2019 (UTC)