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The Operation Blue Star section of this page states: "He and some followers took refuge in the Golden Temple, and resisted the police..." This statement is unbelievable biased as it seems to depict the militants in a peaceful manner. They did not take "refuge," they seized the temple. They did not "resist" the police, they tried to kill the police. Someone really should have corrected this by now. <arponline> 27 Oct 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.90.237 ( talk) 03:36, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
What is Darbar? Why the redirect? <KF> 23:06, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Is the water suitable for drinking, or only bathing?
You should not however it had a costly filter system installed a year back.
The Encyclopedia Britannica has Harmandir (rather than Harmindar); is there an authoritative source on which is correct?
Bhindrenwale is not a saint, he is better known and was killed because he was a terrorist, a person who killed and instigated others to kill.
Well i think in his early days he was okay person and latter on leading to 1984 he changed.
-- Girish 12:35, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
Heres proof for the name change http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1040018.cms
Gsingh 03:04, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) The page should be reverted to its prior version because someone put the writing in all caps. Gsingh 21:17, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
I removed the empty header. If someone wants to write about the layout, then put it back with some content, but we don't need a placeholder for something that might never get written. FireWorks 03:46, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Is the "In film and television" section and the "notable visits" section really all that necessary? Also to note I think its quite funny how PM Singhs visit to Harmandar Sahib is noted (2004) implying its his first visit seeing how one can assume that a turbaned Sikh of his age from India would have visited the site many times.
It is notable because it is his first visit in his position as Prime Minister of India. Don't think of him as PM Singh, more like PM. Also, Notable Visits could be useful if there are only official visits in a persons capacity as...whatever they are, be it Queen or PM, but I'm not so sure about the TV guy, since I've never heard of him. After reading his article real quick, I'd let that stand as well. -- Phant 23:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't this gurdwara be listed in the gurdwara's, sikhism and structures of india categories?? Gsingh 15:47, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure whether it is required to mention the dignitaries who visited the temple. It leads to the belief that our temple was graced by these dignitaries' presence while it should be the other way around i.e. the people get blessed by a visit to the temple. It is a bliss to just even look at the temple leave alone visiting the complete premises.
Dieresis 09:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC) Which graces which is a matter of opinion and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. I don't think a section of "notable visits" is necessary. If a particular visit has some greater significance, then mention of the visit should be incorporated into the article in the appropriate section.
Are non-Sikhs allowed to enter the site?
Their should be a space between HAR & MANDIR....HAR MANDIR...It doesnt matter what any website says BECAUSE the term in India has always been HARI...not Har...Yes their are people who say Har but they are not pronoucning it right. Yes their are websites that spell it HAR but that is because they go by what people say...The correct Indian term is HARI....For example people say Hari Krishan...Hari Ria...Hari Ram...Hari OM....So it should be ARI MANDIR....AND SECONDLY....Even if u disagree with me....u should at least have a space between HAR & MANDIR...IT SHOULD BE WRITTEN AS HAR MANDIR....THESE ARE SEPERATE WORDS, SO I DONT UNDERSATND WHY YOUR TYPING IT AS ONE WORD. 204.102.210.1 19:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
In Hindi or Punjabi people say HARIMANDIR real fast that it sounds like one word. But when you write it in English it should be spelled with a space between Hari & Mandir. For example one guru was named HARI KRISHAN with a space right? So their should be a space beteen Hari & Mandir. ALso remember that when non Indians read this they dont undersatnd HARIMANDIR in one word. They will easily understand HARI MANDIR with a space....Hope you change it thanx 71.107.54.199 23:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is interesting. Let me add some interesting bits of trivia.
If one looks at the Hindu Trinity, one finds that " Har" is a term for Shiva and " Hari" for Vishnu. There is even a form called Harihara, which means "Vishnu-Shiva" just as there is a form called Ardhnarishwara, which is half-Shiva and half-Parvati (i.e. the amalgamation of masculine and feminine attributes of God represented by Shiva and Shakti respectively).
I remember seeing a fresco of Harihar on one of the walls of the Durgiana Mandir on my first visit to Amritsar during the Diwali of 2003.
Take also for an example, the name Hardwar which I have heard mostly among Punjabi Hindus (my own community) while in other parts of India, the pronunciation is Haridwar
The confusion over whether the correct term is Harimandir/Harimandar or Harmandir/Harmandar is largely due to our Punjabi accents. Perhaps, we find Har easier to pronounce than Hari. However, I have heard both terms being spoken in equal measure.
But I would vouch for Mr. Sukh's view that we should pronounce the name as Harimandir
Rajatjghai 00:05, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Proposal to move page to Hari Mandir. Please sign your vote. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 13:54, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Vote is now closed.
Look we all agree that the temple is name HARIMANDIR SAHIB...The question is, when you type it in english, is their a space....Folks its not rocket science....Hari is word of phraise. Mandir is a place of worship...Put 2 & 2 together....It should be spelled with a space....HARI MANDIR SAHIB....I mean they leave a space between Hari Krishan...They leave a space between Hari Rai...They leave a space between Hari Ram....So leave a space between Hari & Mandir....AGAIN...THESE ARE 2 SEPERATE WORDS....Punjabi people just say it fast come on! Im voting for a space! 71.107.54.199 09:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think there is any opposition to moving it to Harimandir Sahib so if this fails, then I will move it to Harimandir Sahib as long as there are no objections. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 20:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
The vote has been up for ten days and there was no consensus to move it to Hari Mandir. Therefore, it shall not be moved there. However, there were no objections to Harimandir, and so I shall move it there.
Thats funny, I remember more votes here...Did somebody delete them?....Anyway look...I agree the name is HARImandir....But all I am saying is that in English, you type it, HARI Mandir with a space....If u disagree with me, then at least tell me, how come Hari Krishan, Hari Rai, Hari Ram, & Hari Om all have spaces but HARIMANDIR IS ONE WORD? Nobody seems to want to answer this ARYAN818 01:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Gsingh you & I both agree that its proper name is HARImandir Sahib....But u never seem to answer my question....In English , isn't their supposed to be a space between HARI & MANDIR?....If not....Why is their a space between Hari Krishan, Hari Ram, Hari Rai, Hari Om, etc etc etc....Clicks on google & yahoo dont prove anything....Facts prove them...so im asking you for the 50th time...in the English language isn't their supposed to be a space?....IF YOUR ANSWER IS NOT...THen why is their a space between the other words? ARYAN818 07:59, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Whoever keeps changing the name of the Golden Temple to Harimandir instead of Harmandir needs to stop. The SGPC does not call it the HARIMANDIR it calls the Golden Temple the HARMANDIR so GSingh stop messing this page up you bastard.You too Sukh.
Some websites (faith freedom international, for one) claim that the Golden Temple contained statues of Hindu gods until 1909. Is this true? If so it should be in the article. Arrow740 11:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Copied from
Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics
The article title is
Harimandir Sahib. As the Golden Temple is by far the most popular name for the shrine, should it be moved? I support the move.
=Nichalp
«Talk»= 08:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Another support. -- Groggy Dice T | C 03:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Support. Arrow740 04:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Oppose. Golden Temple isn't even the name for the temple, its call Harimandir Sahib, which is the official name. Gsingh 12:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
"SGPC Asr <info@sgpc.net> To GSingh <*******@gmail.com> Date Mar 17, 2007 3:58 PM Subject Re: harimandir sahib
Dear Sardar Ji
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
The Official name is Sri Darbar Sahib or Sri Harmandir Sahib and not Golden Temple.
With Regards
Secretary SGPC, Amritsar.
Support In the United States, at least, Golden Temple is the way this wonderful place is described. I have never even seen the other name anywhere but here despite fairly extensive reading on Indian subjects including Sikhism. I lived for several months is a Sikh ashram, and never heard the name. -- Nemonoman 03:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
This article has been renamed from Harimandir Sahib to Golden Temple as the result of a move request. -- Stemonitis 14:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
this is very very very long
Hello I'm making a presentation about the golden temple and DOAS ANYONE MAYBE KNOW HOW BIG THE TEMPLE IS?? AND HOW BIG THE POOL IS????? IT'S VERY URGENT ! THANKS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.162.118.192 ( talk) 13:51, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I did edit the article several months ago to include a new photo, that was then promptly removed for reasons unknown to me. It is indeed my own work, and I think it's a much better photo than the other ones available. I have uploaded it onto the commons, here's the link http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Harminder_sahib5.jpg#Summary . Someone feel free to update the article to use that photo as the main indentifying photograph, as I'm unsure as to how to do it properly. Jsu ( talk) 19:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I think that we should keep the noteable visits to international leaders, the list is getting a little to long. What does everyone else think? Gsingh ( talk) 06:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
This does'nt show any information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.199.160 ( talk) 23:04, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
This page should redirect to Harmandir Sahib, it has hundreds of page views per day while the rest are pretty obscure. I'll create a disambig page in a while.
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
The Operation Blue Star section of this page states: "He and some followers took refuge in the Golden Temple, and resisted the police..." This statement is unbelievable biased as it seems to depict the militants in a peaceful manner. They did not take "refuge," they seized the temple. They did not "resist" the police, they tried to kill the police. Someone really should have corrected this by now. <arponline> 27 Oct 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.90.237 ( talk) 03:36, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
What is Darbar? Why the redirect? <KF> 23:06, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Is the water suitable for drinking, or only bathing?
You should not however it had a costly filter system installed a year back.
The Encyclopedia Britannica has Harmandir (rather than Harmindar); is there an authoritative source on which is correct?
Bhindrenwale is not a saint, he is better known and was killed because he was a terrorist, a person who killed and instigated others to kill.
Well i think in his early days he was okay person and latter on leading to 1984 he changed.
-- Girish 12:35, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
Heres proof for the name change http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1040018.cms
Gsingh 03:04, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) The page should be reverted to its prior version because someone put the writing in all caps. Gsingh 21:17, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
I removed the empty header. If someone wants to write about the layout, then put it back with some content, but we don't need a placeholder for something that might never get written. FireWorks 03:46, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Is the "In film and television" section and the "notable visits" section really all that necessary? Also to note I think its quite funny how PM Singhs visit to Harmandar Sahib is noted (2004) implying its his first visit seeing how one can assume that a turbaned Sikh of his age from India would have visited the site many times.
It is notable because it is his first visit in his position as Prime Minister of India. Don't think of him as PM Singh, more like PM. Also, Notable Visits could be useful if there are only official visits in a persons capacity as...whatever they are, be it Queen or PM, but I'm not so sure about the TV guy, since I've never heard of him. After reading his article real quick, I'd let that stand as well. -- Phant 23:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't this gurdwara be listed in the gurdwara's, sikhism and structures of india categories?? Gsingh 15:47, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure whether it is required to mention the dignitaries who visited the temple. It leads to the belief that our temple was graced by these dignitaries' presence while it should be the other way around i.e. the people get blessed by a visit to the temple. It is a bliss to just even look at the temple leave alone visiting the complete premises.
Dieresis 09:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC) Which graces which is a matter of opinion and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. I don't think a section of "notable visits" is necessary. If a particular visit has some greater significance, then mention of the visit should be incorporated into the article in the appropriate section.
Are non-Sikhs allowed to enter the site?
Their should be a space between HAR & MANDIR....HAR MANDIR...It doesnt matter what any website says BECAUSE the term in India has always been HARI...not Har...Yes their are people who say Har but they are not pronoucning it right. Yes their are websites that spell it HAR but that is because they go by what people say...The correct Indian term is HARI....For example people say Hari Krishan...Hari Ria...Hari Ram...Hari OM....So it should be ARI MANDIR....AND SECONDLY....Even if u disagree with me....u should at least have a space between HAR & MANDIR...IT SHOULD BE WRITTEN AS HAR MANDIR....THESE ARE SEPERATE WORDS, SO I DONT UNDERSATND WHY YOUR TYPING IT AS ONE WORD. 204.102.210.1 19:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
In Hindi or Punjabi people say HARIMANDIR real fast that it sounds like one word. But when you write it in English it should be spelled with a space between Hari & Mandir. For example one guru was named HARI KRISHAN with a space right? So their should be a space beteen Hari & Mandir. ALso remember that when non Indians read this they dont undersatnd HARIMANDIR in one word. They will easily understand HARI MANDIR with a space....Hope you change it thanx 71.107.54.199 23:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is interesting. Let me add some interesting bits of trivia.
If one looks at the Hindu Trinity, one finds that " Har" is a term for Shiva and " Hari" for Vishnu. There is even a form called Harihara, which means "Vishnu-Shiva" just as there is a form called Ardhnarishwara, which is half-Shiva and half-Parvati (i.e. the amalgamation of masculine and feminine attributes of God represented by Shiva and Shakti respectively).
I remember seeing a fresco of Harihar on one of the walls of the Durgiana Mandir on my first visit to Amritsar during the Diwali of 2003.
Take also for an example, the name Hardwar which I have heard mostly among Punjabi Hindus (my own community) while in other parts of India, the pronunciation is Haridwar
The confusion over whether the correct term is Harimandir/Harimandar or Harmandir/Harmandar is largely due to our Punjabi accents. Perhaps, we find Har easier to pronounce than Hari. However, I have heard both terms being spoken in equal measure.
But I would vouch for Mr. Sukh's view that we should pronounce the name as Harimandir
Rajatjghai 00:05, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Proposal to move page to Hari Mandir. Please sign your vote. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 13:54, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Vote is now closed.
Look we all agree that the temple is name HARIMANDIR SAHIB...The question is, when you type it in english, is their a space....Folks its not rocket science....Hari is word of phraise. Mandir is a place of worship...Put 2 & 2 together....It should be spelled with a space....HARI MANDIR SAHIB....I mean they leave a space between Hari Krishan...They leave a space between Hari Rai...They leave a space between Hari Ram....So leave a space between Hari & Mandir....AGAIN...THESE ARE 2 SEPERATE WORDS....Punjabi people just say it fast come on! Im voting for a space! 71.107.54.199 09:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think there is any opposition to moving it to Harimandir Sahib so if this fails, then I will move it to Harimandir Sahib as long as there are no objections. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 20:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
The vote has been up for ten days and there was no consensus to move it to Hari Mandir. Therefore, it shall not be moved there. However, there were no objections to Harimandir, and so I shall move it there.
Thats funny, I remember more votes here...Did somebody delete them?....Anyway look...I agree the name is HARImandir....But all I am saying is that in English, you type it, HARI Mandir with a space....If u disagree with me, then at least tell me, how come Hari Krishan, Hari Rai, Hari Ram, & Hari Om all have spaces but HARIMANDIR IS ONE WORD? Nobody seems to want to answer this ARYAN818 01:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Gsingh you & I both agree that its proper name is HARImandir Sahib....But u never seem to answer my question....In English , isn't their supposed to be a space between HARI & MANDIR?....If not....Why is their a space between Hari Krishan, Hari Ram, Hari Rai, Hari Om, etc etc etc....Clicks on google & yahoo dont prove anything....Facts prove them...so im asking you for the 50th time...in the English language isn't their supposed to be a space?....IF YOUR ANSWER IS NOT...THen why is their a space between the other words? ARYAN818 07:59, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Whoever keeps changing the name of the Golden Temple to Harimandir instead of Harmandir needs to stop. The SGPC does not call it the HARIMANDIR it calls the Golden Temple the HARMANDIR so GSingh stop messing this page up you bastard.You too Sukh.
Some websites (faith freedom international, for one) claim that the Golden Temple contained statues of Hindu gods until 1909. Is this true? If so it should be in the article. Arrow740 11:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Copied from
Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics
The article title is
Harimandir Sahib. As the Golden Temple is by far the most popular name for the shrine, should it be moved? I support the move.
=Nichalp
«Talk»= 08:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Another support. -- Groggy Dice T | C 03:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Support. Arrow740 04:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Oppose. Golden Temple isn't even the name for the temple, its call Harimandir Sahib, which is the official name. Gsingh 12:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
"SGPC Asr <info@sgpc.net> To GSingh <*******@gmail.com> Date Mar 17, 2007 3:58 PM Subject Re: harimandir sahib
Dear Sardar Ji
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
The Official name is Sri Darbar Sahib or Sri Harmandir Sahib and not Golden Temple.
With Regards
Secretary SGPC, Amritsar.
Support In the United States, at least, Golden Temple is the way this wonderful place is described. I have never even seen the other name anywhere but here despite fairly extensive reading on Indian subjects including Sikhism. I lived for several months is a Sikh ashram, and never heard the name. -- Nemonoman 03:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
This article has been renamed from Harimandir Sahib to Golden Temple as the result of a move request. -- Stemonitis 14:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
this is very very very long
Hello I'm making a presentation about the golden temple and DOAS ANYONE MAYBE KNOW HOW BIG THE TEMPLE IS?? AND HOW BIG THE POOL IS????? IT'S VERY URGENT ! THANKS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.162.118.192 ( talk) 13:51, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I did edit the article several months ago to include a new photo, that was then promptly removed for reasons unknown to me. It is indeed my own work, and I think it's a much better photo than the other ones available. I have uploaded it onto the commons, here's the link http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Harminder_sahib5.jpg#Summary . Someone feel free to update the article to use that photo as the main indentifying photograph, as I'm unsure as to how to do it properly. Jsu ( talk) 19:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I think that we should keep the noteable visits to international leaders, the list is getting a little to long. What does everyone else think? Gsingh ( talk) 06:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
This does'nt show any information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.199.160 ( talk) 23:04, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
This page should redirect to Harmandir Sahib, it has hundreds of page views per day while the rest are pretty obscure. I'll create a disambig page in a while.
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