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Is it me or is there quite a few people with horrible spelling and grammar skills editing this article? I mean the article has gotten a bit better but it's still happening. I figure it's merely once again people editing English Wikipedia who speak English as a second language and do not grasp the language very well - something I've seen all too many times. Meinsla ( talk) 08:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
This need to be changed - "Golden Retrievers are really involved in commercials like the worldwide 2012 Super Bowl commercial. Not only were the Golden Retrievers involved in the Super Bowl commercials such as VolksWagen and Bud Light, but also appeared in the half time shows of every game.[33]"
I propose "Golden Retrievers have been frequently involved in commercials such as the worldwide 2012 Super Bowl commercial [33], and commercials for Volkswagen and Bud Light." or something a bit less remedial.
This article needs to be written from a factual point-of-view without anthropomorphic attribution. E.g., what is a "sad," "happy" or "depressed" dog? Certainly zoologists and animal behaviorists would not employ these terms in any serious academic writing. Perhaps stating that the dog may appear "distressed" or "content" would be more appropriate. Certain behavior patterns in the dog may have evolved to elicit responses in humans. For example, if a dog appears "sad," it may be a learned response or adaptation to provoke a human reaction (in this case, to induce the human to feed or pet the dog in this case). I like the tenor of the article; it just needs some refinement. 70.231.162.145 ( talk) 07:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)DM
-- 62.252.64.15 09:31, 24 August 2005 (UTC)From a duplicate article at Golden retriever - for review and merging:
Golden Retrievers are a popular breed of medium dog kept as pets. They evolved in Scotland after Lord Tweedmouth crossed the now extinct Tweed Water Spaniel with a wavy-coat yellow retriever in 1868. In 1908, the breed was first exhibited in England, but it was not granted a separate breed status until 1913. In 1920, the name was changed from Retriever (Golden and Yellow) to Golden Retriever. Golden retrievers were first registered in Canada in 1927.
The breed is regarded as obedient and easy to train. For this reason, they are often used as service dogs, and also as gundogs. It is a breed commonly used as guide dogs for the blind. Golden Retrievers are usually friendly with people and other dogs, making them good family pets, but unsuitable as guard dogs. However, their loud bark means they may be kept as watch dogs. Whilst retrievers adapt well to living in a kennel environment, they prefer companionship.
The dogs vary in colour from pale cream to deep gold. They have an average height of 51-61cm and an average weight is 25-36kg. Their litters usually range from six to ten and they can be expected to live ten to 12 years. The most common health problems with this breed involve cataracts, epilepsy and hip problems.
DMOZ listing of websites about Golden Retrievers
You know, this image depicts a retriever whose coat is not too golden. Though undoubtedly a member of the breed, I feel it would be better if someone could provide a photo of a dog more exemplary of the breed. Kent Wang 07:54, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
That is quite a pale one - but still within the specification for the breed (I took the photo at a dog show). More importantly, this was one of my first efforts at taking dog photos and is not as clear or large as I would like. If we get a better (and darker coated) image, this one will do to show the variation in the coat colours though. -- sannse (talk) 09:14, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I agree. I have on my "list of photos to get while hanging out with dogs" a photo of a Golden with a dark coat. I think it's useful to show the variations in coats because sometimes they look like entirely different breeds! E.g., would be good to have a yellow Flat-Coated Retriever because they look very similar to Goldens and, although some Flat-coat breeders in the U.S. apparently euthanize their yellows, many people do keep them as pets and they're still purebred. Elf | Talk 03:14, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I've got a Labrador Retriever (guide dog in training) and the article for that breed is very unrepresented compared to the Golden, perhaps we could expand? Sorry, I'm new to Discussions on Wikipedia so I hope this comment is ok! User:PopUpPirate
The article currently says they reach their full height at one and their full weight at two. I agree that they stop growing around one, but when they reach their full weight is a function of how they are fed and exercised. All dogs will gain weight if they are overfed, and many are. The only weight gained after year one should come from muscle mass built from strenuous exercise and higher protein diets. Comments? Wpjonathan 19:04, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
This article is starting to collect an overload of photos that don't add anything new. I'm removing a couple to here. Elf | Talk 21:22, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
i think tey are very cute
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Umm I cant seem to find some Blind Golden retrievers on this web page
maybe because some people need guide dogs and are wondering?? honestly that was a stupid thing to say —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.20.5.81 ( talk) 23:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
oops that comment before this one was mine i wasnt logged in...doh!! Corgilover4eva ( talk) 23:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)corgilover4eva
Guide dogs aren't blind! They may lead the blind, but in most cases, the dog itself is able to see. So, I think the original person ment that there should be information on Golden Guide dogs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.171.108 ( talk) 19:06, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Being blind, and having owned a blind guide dog, I can confirm that it is not a good idea. In fact, it is like getting a dog and barking yourself. I would suggest that out of all characteristics available to guide dogs, sight should be near the top of the list. As my hearing is perfectly good, I do not know the position regarding assistance dogs for the deaf, although I would imagine it is preferable that they can hear. Thankfully I now have a new dog and I can agree with the person who has posted below regarding the 'odour'. I also thought this was strange. Until I remembered it was a dog. 80.254.147.20 ( talk) 17:09, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
I removed the word "paradoxically"--whomever used it clearly does not know what it means. The fact that very light or very dark Goldens are disallowed is in no way "paradoxical", though one could make a case for it being contradictory (it would be a weak and pedantic argument, however.) --Lode Runner
Is it just me, or is this page becoming overloaded with unencyclopedic, unattractive photos. For example this one, this one (this photo was previously removed, though put back by an IP), and this one. In my opinion, those photos dont't illustrate the breed well, and are cluttering up the page layout. Thus I am removing them, and I may remove this one. Pharaoh Hound 15:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
the first person to write on this section you have no respect for other peoples feelings...if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all
hope this settles things...
p.s: those dogs are gorgeous...thanks for shearing them with the world=) 202.20.5.81 ( talk) 23:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)doglover101
Just a note. I initially thought that was a bad edit, but then did a search and actually there are hits for swamp collie in reference to Goldies. -- Bcsr4ever 08:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the golden retriever on this page just doesn't look so golden. The gold color of a retriever reflects the way the dog has been properly well taken care of. The dog looks okay in the photo so it definetly is not malnurished, but I've seen retrievers that have a nice cold complextion to them
Once again, this page is overloaded with images. Therefore, I'm taking the liberty of removing a two of the worst ones. The image I'm removing are:
I've also found an image for the infobox with a golden standing, and I have added it. -- Pharaoh Hound (talk) 14:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
honestly you ARE cold hearted some people dont care how dogs look as long as theyve got the best nature and are very loyal
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The image of the retriever sitting on a chair watching TV had been inserted under the title “Temperament” and in support of what was stated in that section “They are natural clowns” I believe it does illustrate this aspect of the breed very well.
As far as being “Unappealing” or “Unattractive”: This is your personal opinion, which is very welcome, but from offering your opinion to freely removing material based on it there is a big difference. If everyone removed material from Wikipedia because they “don’t like it”, there would be nothing left, or every article would be butchered.
This is an article about dogs, not photography. Lighting or any other “deficiencies” can be fixed. I believe your intolerance is taking away more than what is providing to this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Calyponte ( talk • contribs) .
I agree, they didn't add much. They were mostly "Look at my puppy, he's cute!" ~Crowstar~ 01:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I definitely agree. The photos are either horrible quality or the dog in the photo is poorly bred. Although I am sure they are beloved family pets they don't adequately represent the breed. I have many quality photos of quality golden retriever that could better represent the breed if anyone knows how to change them. You can contact me at cowgirl4myking@gmail.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SapphireDreamPhotography ( talk • contribs) 15:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I think that
"Today's Golden Retrievers fall into two groups: show dogs and field dogs. The Goldens in the show group are generally bigger-boned, longer, and heavier. The champagne color and long flowing coat are highly prized in the show ring. On the other hand, field Goldens tend to be smaller, longer legged, and be a more reddish shade. These two strains derive from champion Goldens from the 1960s. Gold Rush Charlie moved the show Goldens toward their present characteristics, while Holway Barty greatly affected the field group. Contemporary breeders attempt to unite these two strains into the all-purpose Golden Retriever."
should not be under the temperament section. Unfortunately, I am no K9 expert, and I would rather have someone with more knowledge put it where it really belongs. 68.127.209.93 04:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Pharaoh, can you please tell me why you have reverted back to having the above quote in the temperament section. It obviously does not belong there. And it would be nice if you justified your reversion. I am going to have to put it back to appearence section, as it seems like that is where it belongs. Delmet 05:31, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
"The Golden Retriever is a popular breed of dog, often affectionately known as a Yellow Retriever." ---- I've never heard the expression "Yellow Retriever". It gets only 624 Google hits. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Yellow+Retriever%22 ("Golden Retriever" gets 1,850,000 hits.) - IMHO, this doesn't even justify including the term as "sometimes known" or "occasionally known". Therefore, deleting from article. If you wish to revert, please justify here. Thanks. ---- 201.51.211.130 12:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion, these six images as they currently appear don't seem to be suitable. While first one is a matter of personal opinion, I have legitimate concerns about the other shots. The second one seems a little too close, and doesn't give more information compared to the 2-month old (on the article). Third image seems to place focus on the bandage rather than the retriever. 4-6 appear to be the same dog. Okay to remove? -- Sigma 7 05:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
for my opinion// i think they are very loveable and easy to handel.
r.neely. ontaro
This is rare. Is it worth mentioning? http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/guide-dog-in-puppy-mauling-frenzy/2007/03/21/1174153161861.html 203.213.7.133 21:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
"thrive on attention, regular exercise, a balanced diet, and regular veterinary check-ups." Do they seriously thrive on regular vet check-ups? i think that is a unnecessary statement 03:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
If your dog's photo is missing, check to make sure it wasn't simply moved. But if it wasn't moved, I removed it for a good reason; don't put it back, please. -- Otheus 00:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I reverted to the original infobox image. No sufficient reason was given why the new one was a better illustration of the breed (also remember that this article is not a vehicle for asserting the primacy of AKC/UKC standards), and the original was of better quality photographically (clearer background, better expression, looks more professional). I also removed the guide dog photo bc, while it would be nice to have a photo of GRs as guide dogs, the image was stacked (see WP:Images) and as an overhead shot it was confusing and not clear that it even was a golden. I moved the presidential image to avoid more image stacking and text conflict as it was rather large. Overall I wanted to avoid something discouraged by WP:Images and WP:IUP, which is stacking a whole bunch of images one on top of the other the whole length of the article. It looks awful. VanTucky 18:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Why was my picture of the nine week old golden retriever puppy was taken off AND replaced with a labrador retriever fetching a duck in a lake? This is ridiculous! Please correct this immediately! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.67.246 ( talk • contribs)
oh my gosh, whatever. its funny two other Wiki professional "page watchers" said it was fine. thanks for all you do, you rent-a-cop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.67.246 ( talk • contribs)
Article seems to have a negative slant towards the breed.
Go post it on a Golden Retriever site. I believe there's a pet wiki somewhere out there that would be glad to take it. I'm sorry, but it was taken off for a reason: the new one shows the retriever-ness. Crowstar caws 01:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Would anyone mind if I add this image to the main wiki page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omniii ( talk • contribs)
It depends on where you want to put it. It's a quality image, and in my opinion would be good somewhere in the body of the article (such as the Hisory section). But a lead image (in the infobox) should be a neutral portrait that clearly shows all of the subject in a natural stance. The running image doesn't do this like the present one does. VanTucky (talk) 16:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
What if it was added to the Coat and Color section? Seems to be fitting as it is an unusually colored dog and the coat is shown nicely in my opinion. Omniii 20:42, 6 August 2007 (UTC)Omniii
♣== List of Dogs that don't bite ==
Are Golden Retrievers the top of the list of dogs that don't bite? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.142.46 ( talk) 17:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Bred for their high fowl mandibular delicacy yes, very high on the list Gropo ( talk) 04:49, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I have a Golden, and there are days when we consider having her live in the garage until someone can give her a bath. I've discussed this with other owners (including those who live in other parts of the country w/ different climates) and they have encountered the same problem; several (who'd been dog owners of other breeds for years)even took their Goldens to the vet as puppies thinking that the pup must have some sort of skin/ear infection. There's a Catch-22 here though-that would be original rsearch, and the fact that a typical, relatively clean Golden frequently gives off the sort of odor where the backyard is checked for decomposing animals that said Golden could have rolled in is not prominently featured in dog books. If anyone knows of a source, either add it to the article, or contact me on my talk page to let me know where I could find said info. LeeRamsey ( talk) 03:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Just added Dock jumping hope nobody has a problem with that.--gd8man 04:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Although goldens are great family pets, these lines seem to paired illogically: "They are great athletes and must be walked daily, or they will become restless and anxious. This makes them an ideal family pet." -- Tornvmax ( talk) 01:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I saw on TV that Goldens have the 3rd highest bite rate behind the German Shepherd and Chow Chow, and that they should be taught early not to bite. Should we make mention of this? It might be a good idea for anyone who might want a Golden and have children. Mokoniki ( talk) 21:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC) Mokoniki
Yes Because most people thinkthey are perfect and dont need to be trained. CarbriniTek 11-8-09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by CarbriniTek ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
First of all DON"T believe everything on TV!! Second.. Goldens naturally have a "soft month" Goldens are great with children. Also why do you think Goldens are the choice for service dogs??gd8man 17:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gd8man ( talk
I have added a few words on Golden Retriever attacks with a source. There is no such thing as a dog with a naturally "soft mouth". This is something modern dog trainers are upset to hear is still believed (I used to be a trainer not long ago). You can only train a dog not to bite. This is true for all breeds no matter how big or small. Goodyfun ( talk) 09:43, 14 March 2010 (UTC)Goodyfun
Sure there is soft mouth... you can call it a natural trait or breed that way, because they are bird dogs.I am a field trial trainer and have trained or help trained many Goldens for trial, soft mouth is not something that needs to be taught. gd8man 06:14, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Removed quote: Here is the article it was referred to..
During the past 20 years, at least 25 breeds of dog have been involved in 230 human fatalities. Pit-Bull type dogs and Rottweilers were identified as being involved in 66 and 39 fatalities over that 20-year period; however, the remainder of fatalities were caused by other purebreds and crossbreeds" (AVMA).
"Since 1979, dogs belonging to more than 30 breeds have been responsible for fatal attacks on people, including Dachshunds, Newfoundlands, Golden Retrievers, a Yorkshire Terrier and a Labrador Retriever," Dr. Gail Golab, Assistant Director of the AVMA Education and Research Division.
I think before it is included in the article better facts should be referenced.gd8man 06:50, 15 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gd8man ( talk • contribs)
I felt there was, and still is room for this article to grow stronger neutrality because it suggests absolutely no training needs to be done to get some sort of magical perfect dog, which there is no such thing as. http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/media-reporting-of-canine-aggression.pdf
It is that sort of fallacy that puts not a small percentage of animals in shelters by people who didn't know what to expect when they let them into their homes. I also feel like it is unnecessary to use the phrase "eagerness to please" three times throughout the article. Since you've (Gd8man) trained this breed, would you mind offering a suggestion on how to mention training shouldn't be taken lightly? 70.226.164.26 ( talk) 09:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC)Goodyfun
I agree with you there is no "perfect dog" and that all dogs need some or alot of training.But I don't think this article needs to be a "How To", it should be "about" the breed. If people need to train a dog they should look up "Dog Training"
I also feel like it is unnecessary to use the phrase "eagerness to please" three times throughout the article. Do you also think "retriever,loves water, ect." (as in retrieving objects) should only be mentioned one time? All are what makes the breed what it is.gd8man 19:58, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
This Brazilian site: [ Jornal do Brasil] has a short article about this race of dog. Agre22 ( talk) 14:03, 4 January 2010 (UTC)agre22
"The darker a Golden Retriever is in color, the faster it will whiten." I am not convinced of the accuracy of this statement. My 13 year old mahogany had very little whitening, while I have seen eight year olds with very light coats and much more whitening. I recommend removing this statement. 75.11.33.79 ( talk) 15:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone own an English cream? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.118.244.244 ( talk) 21:27, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
I have a pot of Elmlea if that would help? 80.254.147.20 ( talk) 13:38, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
I have an English cream, do you need a high res photo for the site? Ruckus77 ( talk) 18:29, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
I am in the company of two English (British) Cream Golden Retrievers. A male (Milo) and a female (Riki), both have bloodlines from Eastern Europe and conform to the British type. Lots of high resolution dog pictures available, though not significantly different than others already posted are available for public use at https://www.facebook.com/milos.synazkamilla/photos. My male is afflicted with ichthyosis, which is an autosomal recessive genetic trait apparently common in European bloodlines but relatively unknown or latent/undiscovered in American bloodlines. Keratogenic shampoo is excellent for treating this incurable condition. I'd also like to have ichthyosis added to the Common health problems section. [1] Whammyster ( talk) 10:50, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
I removed the following section (with this edit);
Golden Retrievers under adult age generally need less grooming care than adult dogs, but if a large amount of time is spent on grooming, a puppy will more likely tolerate adult grooming. Grooming tools include guillotine nail clippers or nail filers (particularly motored), slicker and pin brushes, and a grooming comb. Golden Retrievers do well bathing once every week or every two weeks, and they will shed minimally if brushed quickly everyday. Golden Retrievers shed moderately to heavily, shedding year round and particularly in spring and early summer.
Reason for removal: Non- neutral, not referenced, appears to be original research, inappropriate tone, see WP:WEASEL. Chzz ► 12:09, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Lyme disease can only be contracted from ticks. How common it is depends on firstly if that species of tick is even where you live, as not all ticks carry it, and secondly, those ticks have to be infected. Many areas have the ticks, but no Lyme disease, thus in many areas it is completely absent. Even if these vectors are present, it also depends on how much you go into wooded areas, as Lyme disease is not present in cities, where most people are. It has nothing to do with a particular breed. Why would it? Source being I'm a veterinary technician. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyme_disease 70.50.190.4 ( talk) 17:13, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
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Please change intro text (bold shows changes). from:
and are the fourth most popular family dog breeds (by registration) in the United States,[4]
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and are the fifth most popular family dog breed (by registration) in the United States,[4]
Explanation: (Aside from the grammar fix): Reference #4 has been updated since last retrieval in 2007, text is no longer accurate. As of 2010, the Golden Retriever is 5th (not 4th) most commonly registered AKC dog breed in the US. Text should be changed to reflect this in the introduction, and the retrieval date for the reference should be updated. The reference URL for reference #4 is still valid.
Idahoev ( talk) 01:53, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
As of 2011 the Golden Retriever is now the fourth most popular breed again. Wiki article be changed back.
I think there should be a cleanup on how many images are in this article. Broden ( talk) 13:30, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
hey i am doing a report on dogs do you have any information on Golden Retrievers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.156.101 ( talk) 20:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
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Golden retriever -> Golden Retriever
golden retrievers -> Golden Retrievers (I'm not sure about this, but the rest of the page is capitalised so it's best to be consistent, right?)
waelthy -> wealthy
(The whole top section of the article is not right stylistically, but I'm sure that's better handled by someone with more experience than me, is there somewhere I can make that request?)
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Please add Category Dog Breeds. Golden Retriever is missing from Category:Dog breeds page.
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[[Category:Sporting dogs]]
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[[Category:Dog breeds]] [[Category:Sporting dogs]]
95.72.148.100 ( talk) 19:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
FWI I LOVE GOLDEN RETRIEVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding
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I think people are created in the image of the one God of the universe the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. We did not start as little blobs of stuff floating in the ocean. We started out as real human beings then sinning against God then we became sinful bad people but God can help us obey him. ---Anonumoys — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.92.10 ( talk) 15:38, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
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A link needs to be made in the history section between the wavy coated retriever reference and the flat coated retriever. The wavy coat and flat coat are the same dog. It is just that when the records where taken the flat coated retriever wasn't called that as it wasn't recognised as a breed until around the 1870s and officially recognised by the AKC in 1915. Reference Flat Coated Retrieving Club. 122.151.25.154 ( talk) 00:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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is this grammar right I love this golden retriever because it's fur is super nice — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.190.59.169 ( talk) 06:51, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
No 147.114.44.201 ( talk) 14:44, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
The information under the heading "In Scotland" is outdated:
"In July 2006, the Golden Retriever Club of Scotland organized a gathering of Golden Retriever enthusiasts at the ancestral home of Guisachan House. A photograph was taken by photographer Lynn Kipps to commemorate the occasion. It captures 188 Golden Retrievers, so holds the record for most Golden Retrievers captured in one image."
The source for this shows an updated picture with more dogs at a more recent gathering. This is also mentioned earlier in the article: "One such organisation is the Golden Retriever Club of Scotland, which in August 2013 assembled 222 Golden Retrievers at the historical home of the first Golden Retrievers."
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The sentence "American Golden Retrievers is taller than the British type, but retains its thick coat." should be corrected. They are taller, not is. AtroxMavenia ( talk) 15:27, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
The weight range of the female golden according to AKC is 55-65 lbs not 60-70lbs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yellowrose3502 ( talk • contribs) 23:05, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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Please change the broken link http://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/golden/goldenarticle1.htm to http://www.ckc.ca/en/Files/Breed-Standards/Breed-Standards/Group-1-Sporting/RTG-Retriever-Golden which is the standard on the CKC website Prettyriver ( talk) 01:19, 23 February 2016 (UTC) Prettyriver ( talk) 01:19, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
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I should have checked all the links when checking the Canadian one. The UK link does not give a 404 error but is broken. Please change: http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/108 to http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/services/public/breed/standard.aspx?id=2047 This occurs in two places reference 12 and the standards links
I also am still getting the 404 error on the link under standards to the Canadian standard. Looks like the old link occurred in references and in the standards section. old is http://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/golden/goldenarticle1.htm s/b https://www.ckc.ca/en/Files/Forms/Shows-Trials/Breed-Standards/Group-1-Sporting/RTG-Retriever-Golden
It looks like some of the other links in the references are also out dated. The GRCA made extensive changes to their website recently. I will try to pull it all together. There are also other changes that would involve re-writing some sections but those are improvements that we should discuss.
Thanks Prettyriver ( talk) 13:04, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Prettyriver ( talk) 12:48, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
The section 'Characteristics' with sub headings of British type, American type and Canadian type would really benefit from re-working. I am a Golden Retriever breeder and active in several area with my dogs. I have contacted the Golden Retriever Club of America and the Golden Retriever Club of Canada for some help. The different styles of Golden (especially in North America)do not correspond to nationalities. Dogs breed for the show ring and dogs bred for field work have diverged somewhat but they are all one breed and there are quite a few breeders looking to produce dogs that look good and have working ability. There is also confusion because some North American breeders are producing 'English Creme' Goldens for puppy sales and these dogs are quite different in appearance from most of the 'British' dogs bred in Great Britain, and the rest of Europe. To add to that, a lot of Canadian breeders are using both North American lines and European lines in their breeding programs. Goldens are also popular in Australia and New Zealand and breeders there have made important contributions to the breed. My hope is that we will be able to produce a section that explains this without becoming either too long or too technical. -- Prettyriver ( talk) 01:13, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
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The link for the Australian standard is broken In the box in the upper right, it is http://www.ankc.aust.com/goldret.html but should be http://ankc.org.au/Breed/Detail/72
Reference 14 at the end of the article http://grca.org/pec/whitegolden.html is no longer available. On the GRCA (Golden Retriever Club of America)website, it has been replaced by https://www.grca.org/about-the-breed/articles/english-cream-golden-retrievers/ which does not exactly support the statement referencing it but it does address the issue in depth.
Reference 15 I am not sure what is wrong with the structure of this. The link to the AKC standard is correct.
Reference 18 http://ankc.org.au/_uploads/docs/23114GoldenRetrieverBSE.pdf is now http://www.grcv.org.au/images/Breed%20Standard%20of%20the%20Golden%20Retriever/Extended%20Breed%20Standard%20of%20the%20GoldenRetriever.pdf
Reference 24 link is broken https://www.grca.org/acquiring.htm#hereditary should be replaced by https://www.grca.org/find-a-golden/begin-the-search/health-issues-introduction-section-a/
Reference 26 link is broken http://www.upei.ca/~cidd/breeds/goldenretriever2.htm should be replaced by http://ic.upei.ca/cidd/breed/golden-retriever
Reference 27 the link is broken http://www.grca.org/health/hemophilia.html but this reference is a reference to hemophilia in Goldens https://www.grca.org/about-the-breed/health-research/bleeding-disorders-in-golden-retrievers/
Reference 38 is a broken link http://www.grca.org/history/default.htm this link provides information about the founding of the Golden Retriever Club of Ontario and its successor the Golden Retriever Club of Canada (GRCC) http://grcc.net/index.php/grcc-history/
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More refs would help, especially in the health and history sections. More about care should be added (e.g. grooming needs, more on exercise, dog sports, training etc). -- Pharaoh Hound (talk) 14:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC) |
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Some nutter who seems to be able to edit protected articles has changed every instance of 'dog' to 'doggo'. Might want to deal with this!
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Not done - Sorry, we can't include personal reflections or other unsourced content in this encyclopedia article.-
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What find new weight. Size medium? Large? Medium-large? Id say medium-large Please follow this.
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Weight 55-75 pounds briefly
I think this was a really good article. There were a large amount of references and the references were not plagiarized. The article remained unbiased the entire time. Chem2017 ( talk) 01:14, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
I found this article overall very good, but here are some things I noticed/some suggestions.
Under the “In Scotland” section, it is mentioned that the club took a picture with the most golden retrievers that are within one picture. Maybe the link to this picture could be added by adding it to the references for it (#39). The link on the references takes you the club website but the picture is not right there.
Under the “In England” and “In the United States” sections, there are no sources cited. Where did this information come from? The link for the Kennel Club of England would also be nice since there is a link for the American Kennel Club.
Under most sections, there are pictures. These pictures add a nice touch to the article but where did the information below them come from? Some of them have long explanations that go with them (for example the health and lifespan & common health problems sections) but there is no source cited.
The link to source #21 is not accessible and the proper citation for #16 is missing, it only has a link and that link also is not accessible.
Hope this is helpful to the article! Thanks for a great read from an avid golden retriever lover.
-- Pawlow44 ( talk) 19:39, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
It would be interesting to know:
1) What effects does Distemper have on Goldens? Because they tend to be more of a social breed, is it considered a common disease and health concern to them compared to less social breeds?
2) Why did it take 14 years for this breed to be recognized in America? Was it some process that the American Kennel Club needed approved?
Great article on a significant breed in the U.S.! Iadowty ( talk) 01:37, 24 September 2016 (UTC)Isabel Dowty
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There should be a section on Field Golden Retrievers. Those are much more different than the English, American and Canadian types (if those even are meaningful sub-types? I usually se a spectrum of all those types in most countries). Misterantrop ( talk) 20:13, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
There are a lot more colours than just dark golden to light golden. Some other colours are; white and red. I think the writer would of had time to include that they had webbed feet like all the other retriever types. They also failed to mention that they were bred by Lord Tweetmouth ( Tweetmouth is a nickname of the real breeder that most people use to name him ). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.232.72.5 ( talk) 08:58, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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Under temperament, after "Their trusting, gentle disposition makes them a poor guard dog.[21]", please add "However, they may bark when strangers approach the house." 2607:FEA8:1D5F:F3D5:3CAA:C497:58A0:B091 ( talk) 18:15, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
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(2nd paragraph under "Common health problems") They may suffer from heart disease, especially subvalvular aortic stenosis,[29] and cardiomyopathy and joint diseases, including patella luxation, osteochondritis, panosteitis, and cruciate ligament rupture. In addition to the heavy shedding they experience (and their constant lighter shedding throughout the year), Golden Retrievers can suffer from skin diseases; the most prevalent skin problem is allergies (often leading to acute moist dermatitis or "hot spots"), with the most common allergy being to fleas.[26] They can also suffer from seborrhoea, sebaceous adenitis, self-inflicted lick granuloma, and haemophilia.[32] (X) Golden retrievers may also suffer from seizures. Through electro-encephalographic (EEG) testing in a litter of golden retrievers, it was documented that this dog breed, at the age of full development, can contract seizures. The EEG risk assessment of idiopathic epilepsy is helpful in determining the health of a golden retriever offspring. (x) Please add (x). [1] Karentavarez ( talk) 18:03, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
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Please copy "The Golden Retriever was originally bred in Scotland in the mid-19th century" to the lede somewhere, maybe after (soft mouth) Mustsclue ( talk) 14:20, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
While I'm here, can you link Mobility assistance dog too please. Mustsclue ( talk) 14:25, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
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Please edit the image caption/infobox, to change the origin from England to Scotland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:110:8012:1010:718C:31D5:E73F:45A0 ( talk) 11:50, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Golden Retrievers are so cute! I have a Golden Retriever on my Nintendogs+Cats game! PencilmationFan999 ( talk) 01:04, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
In July 2006, the Golden Retriever Club of Scotland organized a gathering of Golden Retriever enthusiasts at the ancestral home, Guisachan House. A photograph taken by photographer Lynn Kipps to commemorate the occasion captured 188 Golden Retrievers, and so holds the record for the most Golden Retrievers in one image.[43]
The record was beaten in 2018 when 361 golden retrievers gathered in Guisanach House to celebrate 150th anniversary of the breed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.193.116.142 ( talk) 20:01, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
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It says medium-large in one of the sections so it's medium-large. Verminous Davis ( talk) 17:11, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
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Add the word beautiful somewhere Guntherline ( talk) 02:15, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
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Range differs in info box and text.-- 2604:2000:E010:1100:202C:27A0:6092:E81C ( talk) 06:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Should this be added to the "Notable Dogs" section? Seaotter26705 ( talk) 20:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
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replace "but its temperament has also made it the third-most popular family dog breed (by registration) in the United States, [1]" with "but its temperament has also made it the third-most popular family dog breed (by registration) in the United States and Canada, [2] [3]" 2001:569:FA6A:8C00:B583:94E3:A0C8:B067 ( talk) 15:13, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
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Out of curiosity, why is is necessary to have references to the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals and PennHIP-- both American organisations, in the section regarding Hip dysplasia for an animal that is a popular global breed? Talking about having pups checked for Hip dysplasia specifically by organisations located in Missouri and Pennsylvania (resp) is unnecessary and is otherwise irrelevant to anyone not living in those states or the US, again, for a breed of dog renowned for it's popularity around the world. ( 14.2.67.94 ( talk) 15:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC))
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Should this picture be added in the Health and Lifespan section? File:Golden Retriever 9-year old.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdelamaza ( talk • contribs) 23:39, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I can't edit the article myself as my account is not confirmed yet. Feel free to use the picture in the article if you deem it appropiate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdelamaza ( talk • contribs) 01:20, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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The line X "The Golden Retriever is a medium-large gun dog that was bred to retrieve shot waterfowl, such as ducks and upland game birds, during hunting and shooting parties.[3]" Is incorrect. They weren't bred for waterfowl, which is one of the reasons goldens often show an aversion to holding and carrying ducks. Instead they were bred for upland game and deer. The source, directly from the Guisachan, the brith place of the Golden Retriever. Should be Y "The Guisachan dogs were bred to be strong working dogs hunting grouse, partridge and deer." https://friendsofguisachan.org/main/guisachan-dogs/ Jhanlauf ( talk) 17:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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The last sentence of the section Health and Lifespan currently reads as follows:
Wiki-content should not be phrased like this as it will contradict WP:NOTGUIDE. Rather, the sentence, I propose, should be edited as follows:
The current version sounds as an advice from Wikipedia itself while Wikipedia does not advice anything. It can just narrate the consensus on what is advised. -- 81.213.215.83 ( talk) 05:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
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In 1903 the Kennel Club recorded the first examples, listing them in the same register as Flat-coats.
due to British wartime restrictions on the breeding of larger dogsto the sentence
The Golden Retriever Standard adopted by the British Kennel Club is accepted the world over, except in the U.S.A. and Canada, where a Golden is somewhat larger than in Britain and the cream color is still not allowable, but otherwise is basically the same.I think that is reflected in the article. I have seen some references in unreliable sources and the article before I started rewriting it [2] included large sections about these various lines, but again they were unreliably sourced (or unsourced). Unless I can find a quality secondary source that states these distinctions and terminology exist I think it should be excluded.
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Congrats to Cavalryman and others who helped bring this to GA, great work! Now that that's done, it seems to me that some further improvement could be made without too much further effort. In a spirit of constructive criticism, here are a few things that strike me at once:
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Calvaryman, why did Earwig return a 74.6% possibility of a copyvio in an article that was recently promoted to GA? Atsme 💬 📧 05:00, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
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I would like to request an edit to the "temperament" section.
Please change "The Golden Retriever is considered an intelligent, gentle natured and very affectionate breed of dog", which is WP:PUFFERY not even found in Hancock or Douglas, to this:
"The Golden Retriever is often considered a good natured, friendly and confident breed of dog, which makes for a good family pet".
Directly after that sentence, please add the following text:
"However, there are also reports of very aggressive golden retrievers, often in specific family groups of golden retrievers, which leads Knol et al. to suggest that some golden retriever lineages may have a propensity for aggression."
As part of this edit request, please use the citation here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168159106001444
These authors said on page 96: "According to the breed standard, Golden Retriever dogs should have an ideal character to make good family pets. For example, the Dutch Golden Retriever Club breed standard states that Golden Retrievers are ‘‘good-natured, friendly, and confident’’ (GRCN, 2005). However, there are also reports of very aggressive Golden Retrievers (Edwards, 1991; Galac and Knol, 1997; Heath, 1991; Knol and Schilder, 1999). A genetic background has been suggested for this aggression because the behaviour seems to occur more often in certain Golden Retriever family groups (Knol et al., 1997)."
Thank you very much. 2603:8080:2C00:1E00:A984:AFAF:7D4E:39D3 ( talk) 05:56, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
...there are also reports of very aggressive Golden Retrievers.It would, for example, be accurate and appropriate to say that "there are reports of modern humans practising cannibalism" in a study looking at potential reasons that some cultures may view the practice as more acceptable, but it would seem absurd (to me at least) to state in Human#Diet "there are reports of modern humans practising cannibalism", as that would lend undue weight to the topic. (Not to say that the prevalence of human cannibalism and aggression in golden retrievers are comparable, just as an example.)
The distributions of observations were skewed for most of the aggression measures so that the majority of dogs classified in the lower (less aggressive) classes and only a few dogs had been classified in the most extreme (aggressive) classes."
The Golden Retriever is often considered a good natured, friendly and confident breed of dog, which makes for a good family pet. However, there are also reports of very aggressive golden retrievers, often in specific family groups of golden retrievers, which leads Knol et al. to suggest that some golden retriever lineages may have a propensity for aggression.reads to me as implying "while the breed standard specifies X, in reality the breed displays Y", but this is clearly not the intended reading. Perhaps rewording the second sentence to resemble more closely the second quote you provide just above (which is at the first link) would change that while retaining the same idea - does "It has been suggested that substantial variations in aggression observed between groups of golden retrievers is partially caused by genetic factors." still match what you were looking to include? Tollens ( talk) 04:26, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
However, there have also been reports of very aggressive Golden Retrievers, who belong to specific families within the breed. It has been suggested that this variations in aggression observed between groups of golden retrievers is partially caused by genetic factors.
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Is it me or is there quite a few people with horrible spelling and grammar skills editing this article? I mean the article has gotten a bit better but it's still happening. I figure it's merely once again people editing English Wikipedia who speak English as a second language and do not grasp the language very well - something I've seen all too many times. Meinsla ( talk) 08:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
This need to be changed - "Golden Retrievers are really involved in commercials like the worldwide 2012 Super Bowl commercial. Not only were the Golden Retrievers involved in the Super Bowl commercials such as VolksWagen and Bud Light, but also appeared in the half time shows of every game.[33]"
I propose "Golden Retrievers have been frequently involved in commercials such as the worldwide 2012 Super Bowl commercial [33], and commercials for Volkswagen and Bud Light." or something a bit less remedial.
This article needs to be written from a factual point-of-view without anthropomorphic attribution. E.g., what is a "sad," "happy" or "depressed" dog? Certainly zoologists and animal behaviorists would not employ these terms in any serious academic writing. Perhaps stating that the dog may appear "distressed" or "content" would be more appropriate. Certain behavior patterns in the dog may have evolved to elicit responses in humans. For example, if a dog appears "sad," it may be a learned response or adaptation to provoke a human reaction (in this case, to induce the human to feed or pet the dog in this case). I like the tenor of the article; it just needs some refinement. 70.231.162.145 ( talk) 07:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)DM
-- 62.252.64.15 09:31, 24 August 2005 (UTC)From a duplicate article at Golden retriever - for review and merging:
Golden Retrievers are a popular breed of medium dog kept as pets. They evolved in Scotland after Lord Tweedmouth crossed the now extinct Tweed Water Spaniel with a wavy-coat yellow retriever in 1868. In 1908, the breed was first exhibited in England, but it was not granted a separate breed status until 1913. In 1920, the name was changed from Retriever (Golden and Yellow) to Golden Retriever. Golden retrievers were first registered in Canada in 1927.
The breed is regarded as obedient and easy to train. For this reason, they are often used as service dogs, and also as gundogs. It is a breed commonly used as guide dogs for the blind. Golden Retrievers are usually friendly with people and other dogs, making them good family pets, but unsuitable as guard dogs. However, their loud bark means they may be kept as watch dogs. Whilst retrievers adapt well to living in a kennel environment, they prefer companionship.
The dogs vary in colour from pale cream to deep gold. They have an average height of 51-61cm and an average weight is 25-36kg. Their litters usually range from six to ten and they can be expected to live ten to 12 years. The most common health problems with this breed involve cataracts, epilepsy and hip problems.
DMOZ listing of websites about Golden Retrievers
You know, this image depicts a retriever whose coat is not too golden. Though undoubtedly a member of the breed, I feel it would be better if someone could provide a photo of a dog more exemplary of the breed. Kent Wang 07:54, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
That is quite a pale one - but still within the specification for the breed (I took the photo at a dog show). More importantly, this was one of my first efforts at taking dog photos and is not as clear or large as I would like. If we get a better (and darker coated) image, this one will do to show the variation in the coat colours though. -- sannse (talk) 09:14, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I agree. I have on my "list of photos to get while hanging out with dogs" a photo of a Golden with a dark coat. I think it's useful to show the variations in coats because sometimes they look like entirely different breeds! E.g., would be good to have a yellow Flat-Coated Retriever because they look very similar to Goldens and, although some Flat-coat breeders in the U.S. apparently euthanize their yellows, many people do keep them as pets and they're still purebred. Elf | Talk 03:14, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I've got a Labrador Retriever (guide dog in training) and the article for that breed is very unrepresented compared to the Golden, perhaps we could expand? Sorry, I'm new to Discussions on Wikipedia so I hope this comment is ok! User:PopUpPirate
The article currently says they reach their full height at one and their full weight at two. I agree that they stop growing around one, but when they reach their full weight is a function of how they are fed and exercised. All dogs will gain weight if they are overfed, and many are. The only weight gained after year one should come from muscle mass built from strenuous exercise and higher protein diets. Comments? Wpjonathan 19:04, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
This article is starting to collect an overload of photos that don't add anything new. I'm removing a couple to here. Elf | Talk 21:22, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
i think tey are very cute
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Umm I cant seem to find some Blind Golden retrievers on this web page
maybe because some people need guide dogs and are wondering?? honestly that was a stupid thing to say —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.20.5.81 ( talk) 23:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
oops that comment before this one was mine i wasnt logged in...doh!! Corgilover4eva ( talk) 23:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)corgilover4eva
Guide dogs aren't blind! They may lead the blind, but in most cases, the dog itself is able to see. So, I think the original person ment that there should be information on Golden Guide dogs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.171.108 ( talk) 19:06, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Being blind, and having owned a blind guide dog, I can confirm that it is not a good idea. In fact, it is like getting a dog and barking yourself. I would suggest that out of all characteristics available to guide dogs, sight should be near the top of the list. As my hearing is perfectly good, I do not know the position regarding assistance dogs for the deaf, although I would imagine it is preferable that they can hear. Thankfully I now have a new dog and I can agree with the person who has posted below regarding the 'odour'. I also thought this was strange. Until I remembered it was a dog. 80.254.147.20 ( talk) 17:09, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
I removed the word "paradoxically"--whomever used it clearly does not know what it means. The fact that very light or very dark Goldens are disallowed is in no way "paradoxical", though one could make a case for it being contradictory (it would be a weak and pedantic argument, however.) --Lode Runner
Is it just me, or is this page becoming overloaded with unencyclopedic, unattractive photos. For example this one, this one (this photo was previously removed, though put back by an IP), and this one. In my opinion, those photos dont't illustrate the breed well, and are cluttering up the page layout. Thus I am removing them, and I may remove this one. Pharaoh Hound 15:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
the first person to write on this section you have no respect for other peoples feelings...if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all
hope this settles things...
p.s: those dogs are gorgeous...thanks for shearing them with the world=) 202.20.5.81 ( talk) 23:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)doglover101
Just a note. I initially thought that was a bad edit, but then did a search and actually there are hits for swamp collie in reference to Goldies. -- Bcsr4ever 08:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the golden retriever on this page just doesn't look so golden. The gold color of a retriever reflects the way the dog has been properly well taken care of. The dog looks okay in the photo so it definetly is not malnurished, but I've seen retrievers that have a nice cold complextion to them
Once again, this page is overloaded with images. Therefore, I'm taking the liberty of removing a two of the worst ones. The image I'm removing are:
I've also found an image for the infobox with a golden standing, and I have added it. -- Pharaoh Hound (talk) 14:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
honestly you ARE cold hearted some people dont care how dogs look as long as theyve got the best nature and are very loyal
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The image of the retriever sitting on a chair watching TV had been inserted under the title “Temperament” and in support of what was stated in that section “They are natural clowns” I believe it does illustrate this aspect of the breed very well.
As far as being “Unappealing” or “Unattractive”: This is your personal opinion, which is very welcome, but from offering your opinion to freely removing material based on it there is a big difference. If everyone removed material from Wikipedia because they “don’t like it”, there would be nothing left, or every article would be butchered.
This is an article about dogs, not photography. Lighting or any other “deficiencies” can be fixed. I believe your intolerance is taking away more than what is providing to this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Calyponte ( talk • contribs) .
I agree, they didn't add much. They were mostly "Look at my puppy, he's cute!" ~Crowstar~ 01:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I definitely agree. The photos are either horrible quality or the dog in the photo is poorly bred. Although I am sure they are beloved family pets they don't adequately represent the breed. I have many quality photos of quality golden retriever that could better represent the breed if anyone knows how to change them. You can contact me at cowgirl4myking@gmail.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SapphireDreamPhotography ( talk • contribs) 15:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I think that
"Today's Golden Retrievers fall into two groups: show dogs and field dogs. The Goldens in the show group are generally bigger-boned, longer, and heavier. The champagne color and long flowing coat are highly prized in the show ring. On the other hand, field Goldens tend to be smaller, longer legged, and be a more reddish shade. These two strains derive from champion Goldens from the 1960s. Gold Rush Charlie moved the show Goldens toward their present characteristics, while Holway Barty greatly affected the field group. Contemporary breeders attempt to unite these two strains into the all-purpose Golden Retriever."
should not be under the temperament section. Unfortunately, I am no K9 expert, and I would rather have someone with more knowledge put it where it really belongs. 68.127.209.93 04:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Pharaoh, can you please tell me why you have reverted back to having the above quote in the temperament section. It obviously does not belong there. And it would be nice if you justified your reversion. I am going to have to put it back to appearence section, as it seems like that is where it belongs. Delmet 05:31, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
"The Golden Retriever is a popular breed of dog, often affectionately known as a Yellow Retriever." ---- I've never heard the expression "Yellow Retriever". It gets only 624 Google hits. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Yellow+Retriever%22 ("Golden Retriever" gets 1,850,000 hits.) - IMHO, this doesn't even justify including the term as "sometimes known" or "occasionally known". Therefore, deleting from article. If you wish to revert, please justify here. Thanks. ---- 201.51.211.130 12:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion, these six images as they currently appear don't seem to be suitable. While first one is a matter of personal opinion, I have legitimate concerns about the other shots. The second one seems a little too close, and doesn't give more information compared to the 2-month old (on the article). Third image seems to place focus on the bandage rather than the retriever. 4-6 appear to be the same dog. Okay to remove? -- Sigma 7 05:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
for my opinion// i think they are very loveable and easy to handel.
r.neely. ontaro
This is rare. Is it worth mentioning? http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/guide-dog-in-puppy-mauling-frenzy/2007/03/21/1174153161861.html 203.213.7.133 21:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
"thrive on attention, regular exercise, a balanced diet, and regular veterinary check-ups." Do they seriously thrive on regular vet check-ups? i think that is a unnecessary statement 03:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
If your dog's photo is missing, check to make sure it wasn't simply moved. But if it wasn't moved, I removed it for a good reason; don't put it back, please. -- Otheus 00:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I reverted to the original infobox image. No sufficient reason was given why the new one was a better illustration of the breed (also remember that this article is not a vehicle for asserting the primacy of AKC/UKC standards), and the original was of better quality photographically (clearer background, better expression, looks more professional). I also removed the guide dog photo bc, while it would be nice to have a photo of GRs as guide dogs, the image was stacked (see WP:Images) and as an overhead shot it was confusing and not clear that it even was a golden. I moved the presidential image to avoid more image stacking and text conflict as it was rather large. Overall I wanted to avoid something discouraged by WP:Images and WP:IUP, which is stacking a whole bunch of images one on top of the other the whole length of the article. It looks awful. VanTucky 18:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Why was my picture of the nine week old golden retriever puppy was taken off AND replaced with a labrador retriever fetching a duck in a lake? This is ridiculous! Please correct this immediately! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.67.246 ( talk • contribs)
oh my gosh, whatever. its funny two other Wiki professional "page watchers" said it was fine. thanks for all you do, you rent-a-cop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.67.246 ( talk • contribs)
Article seems to have a negative slant towards the breed.
Go post it on a Golden Retriever site. I believe there's a pet wiki somewhere out there that would be glad to take it. I'm sorry, but it was taken off for a reason: the new one shows the retriever-ness. Crowstar caws 01:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Would anyone mind if I add this image to the main wiki page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omniii ( talk • contribs)
It depends on where you want to put it. It's a quality image, and in my opinion would be good somewhere in the body of the article (such as the Hisory section). But a lead image (in the infobox) should be a neutral portrait that clearly shows all of the subject in a natural stance. The running image doesn't do this like the present one does. VanTucky (talk) 16:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
What if it was added to the Coat and Color section? Seems to be fitting as it is an unusually colored dog and the coat is shown nicely in my opinion. Omniii 20:42, 6 August 2007 (UTC)Omniii
♣== List of Dogs that don't bite ==
Are Golden Retrievers the top of the list of dogs that don't bite? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.142.46 ( talk) 17:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Bred for their high fowl mandibular delicacy yes, very high on the list Gropo ( talk) 04:49, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I have a Golden, and there are days when we consider having her live in the garage until someone can give her a bath. I've discussed this with other owners (including those who live in other parts of the country w/ different climates) and they have encountered the same problem; several (who'd been dog owners of other breeds for years)even took their Goldens to the vet as puppies thinking that the pup must have some sort of skin/ear infection. There's a Catch-22 here though-that would be original rsearch, and the fact that a typical, relatively clean Golden frequently gives off the sort of odor where the backyard is checked for decomposing animals that said Golden could have rolled in is not prominently featured in dog books. If anyone knows of a source, either add it to the article, or contact me on my talk page to let me know where I could find said info. LeeRamsey ( talk) 03:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Just added Dock jumping hope nobody has a problem with that.--gd8man 04:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Although goldens are great family pets, these lines seem to paired illogically: "They are great athletes and must be walked daily, or they will become restless and anxious. This makes them an ideal family pet." -- Tornvmax ( talk) 01:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I saw on TV that Goldens have the 3rd highest bite rate behind the German Shepherd and Chow Chow, and that they should be taught early not to bite. Should we make mention of this? It might be a good idea for anyone who might want a Golden and have children. Mokoniki ( talk) 21:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC) Mokoniki
Yes Because most people thinkthey are perfect and dont need to be trained. CarbriniTek 11-8-09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by CarbriniTek ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
First of all DON"T believe everything on TV!! Second.. Goldens naturally have a "soft month" Goldens are great with children. Also why do you think Goldens are the choice for service dogs??gd8man 17:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gd8man ( talk
I have added a few words on Golden Retriever attacks with a source. There is no such thing as a dog with a naturally "soft mouth". This is something modern dog trainers are upset to hear is still believed (I used to be a trainer not long ago). You can only train a dog not to bite. This is true for all breeds no matter how big or small. Goodyfun ( talk) 09:43, 14 March 2010 (UTC)Goodyfun
Sure there is soft mouth... you can call it a natural trait or breed that way, because they are bird dogs.I am a field trial trainer and have trained or help trained many Goldens for trial, soft mouth is not something that needs to be taught. gd8man 06:14, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Removed quote: Here is the article it was referred to..
During the past 20 years, at least 25 breeds of dog have been involved in 230 human fatalities. Pit-Bull type dogs and Rottweilers were identified as being involved in 66 and 39 fatalities over that 20-year period; however, the remainder of fatalities were caused by other purebreds and crossbreeds" (AVMA).
"Since 1979, dogs belonging to more than 30 breeds have been responsible for fatal attacks on people, including Dachshunds, Newfoundlands, Golden Retrievers, a Yorkshire Terrier and a Labrador Retriever," Dr. Gail Golab, Assistant Director of the AVMA Education and Research Division.
I think before it is included in the article better facts should be referenced.gd8man 06:50, 15 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gd8man ( talk • contribs)
I felt there was, and still is room for this article to grow stronger neutrality because it suggests absolutely no training needs to be done to get some sort of magical perfect dog, which there is no such thing as. http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/media-reporting-of-canine-aggression.pdf
It is that sort of fallacy that puts not a small percentage of animals in shelters by people who didn't know what to expect when they let them into their homes. I also feel like it is unnecessary to use the phrase "eagerness to please" three times throughout the article. Since you've (Gd8man) trained this breed, would you mind offering a suggestion on how to mention training shouldn't be taken lightly? 70.226.164.26 ( talk) 09:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC)Goodyfun
I agree with you there is no "perfect dog" and that all dogs need some or alot of training.But I don't think this article needs to be a "How To", it should be "about" the breed. If people need to train a dog they should look up "Dog Training"
I also feel like it is unnecessary to use the phrase "eagerness to please" three times throughout the article. Do you also think "retriever,loves water, ect." (as in retrieving objects) should only be mentioned one time? All are what makes the breed what it is.gd8man 19:58, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
This Brazilian site: [ Jornal do Brasil] has a short article about this race of dog. Agre22 ( talk) 14:03, 4 January 2010 (UTC)agre22
"The darker a Golden Retriever is in color, the faster it will whiten." I am not convinced of the accuracy of this statement. My 13 year old mahogany had very little whitening, while I have seen eight year olds with very light coats and much more whitening. I recommend removing this statement. 75.11.33.79 ( talk) 15:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone own an English cream? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.118.244.244 ( talk) 21:27, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
I have a pot of Elmlea if that would help? 80.254.147.20 ( talk) 13:38, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
I have an English cream, do you need a high res photo for the site? Ruckus77 ( talk) 18:29, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
I am in the company of two English (British) Cream Golden Retrievers. A male (Milo) and a female (Riki), both have bloodlines from Eastern Europe and conform to the British type. Lots of high resolution dog pictures available, though not significantly different than others already posted are available for public use at https://www.facebook.com/milos.synazkamilla/photos. My male is afflicted with ichthyosis, which is an autosomal recessive genetic trait apparently common in European bloodlines but relatively unknown or latent/undiscovered in American bloodlines. Keratogenic shampoo is excellent for treating this incurable condition. I'd also like to have ichthyosis added to the Common health problems section. [1] Whammyster ( talk) 10:50, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
I removed the following section (with this edit);
Golden Retrievers under adult age generally need less grooming care than adult dogs, but if a large amount of time is spent on grooming, a puppy will more likely tolerate adult grooming. Grooming tools include guillotine nail clippers or nail filers (particularly motored), slicker and pin brushes, and a grooming comb. Golden Retrievers do well bathing once every week or every two weeks, and they will shed minimally if brushed quickly everyday. Golden Retrievers shed moderately to heavily, shedding year round and particularly in spring and early summer.
Reason for removal: Non- neutral, not referenced, appears to be original research, inappropriate tone, see WP:WEASEL. Chzz ► 12:09, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Lyme disease can only be contracted from ticks. How common it is depends on firstly if that species of tick is even where you live, as not all ticks carry it, and secondly, those ticks have to be infected. Many areas have the ticks, but no Lyme disease, thus in many areas it is completely absent. Even if these vectors are present, it also depends on how much you go into wooded areas, as Lyme disease is not present in cities, where most people are. It has nothing to do with a particular breed. Why would it? Source being I'm a veterinary technician. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyme_disease 70.50.190.4 ( talk) 17:13, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
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Please change intro text (bold shows changes). from:
and are the fourth most popular family dog breeds (by registration) in the United States,[4]
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and are the fifth most popular family dog breed (by registration) in the United States,[4]
Explanation: (Aside from the grammar fix): Reference #4 has been updated since last retrieval in 2007, text is no longer accurate. As of 2010, the Golden Retriever is 5th (not 4th) most commonly registered AKC dog breed in the US. Text should be changed to reflect this in the introduction, and the retrieval date for the reference should be updated. The reference URL for reference #4 is still valid.
Idahoev ( talk) 01:53, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
As of 2011 the Golden Retriever is now the fourth most popular breed again. Wiki article be changed back.
I think there should be a cleanup on how many images are in this article. Broden ( talk) 13:30, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
hey i am doing a report on dogs do you have any information on Golden Retrievers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.156.101 ( talk) 20:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
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Golden retriever -> Golden Retriever
golden retrievers -> Golden Retrievers (I'm not sure about this, but the rest of the page is capitalised so it's best to be consistent, right?)
waelthy -> wealthy
(The whole top section of the article is not right stylistically, but I'm sure that's better handled by someone with more experience than me, is there somewhere I can make that request?)
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Please add Category Dog Breeds. Golden Retriever is missing from Category:Dog breeds page.
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FWI I LOVE GOLDEN RETRIEVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding
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I think people are created in the image of the one God of the universe the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. We did not start as little blobs of stuff floating in the ocean. We started out as real human beings then sinning against God then we became sinful bad people but God can help us obey him. ---Anonumoys — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.92.10 ( talk) 15:38, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
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A link needs to be made in the history section between the wavy coated retriever reference and the flat coated retriever. The wavy coat and flat coat are the same dog. It is just that when the records where taken the flat coated retriever wasn't called that as it wasn't recognised as a breed until around the 1870s and officially recognised by the AKC in 1915. Reference Flat Coated Retrieving Club. 122.151.25.154 ( talk) 00:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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is this grammar right I love this golden retriever because it's fur is super nice — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.190.59.169 ( talk) 06:51, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
No 147.114.44.201 ( talk) 14:44, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
The information under the heading "In Scotland" is outdated:
"In July 2006, the Golden Retriever Club of Scotland organized a gathering of Golden Retriever enthusiasts at the ancestral home of Guisachan House. A photograph was taken by photographer Lynn Kipps to commemorate the occasion. It captures 188 Golden Retrievers, so holds the record for most Golden Retrievers captured in one image."
The source for this shows an updated picture with more dogs at a more recent gathering. This is also mentioned earlier in the article: "One such organisation is the Golden Retriever Club of Scotland, which in August 2013 assembled 222 Golden Retrievers at the historical home of the first Golden Retrievers."
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The sentence "American Golden Retrievers is taller than the British type, but retains its thick coat." should be corrected. They are taller, not is. AtroxMavenia ( talk) 15:27, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
The weight range of the female golden according to AKC is 55-65 lbs not 60-70lbs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yellowrose3502 ( talk • contribs) 23:05, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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Please change the broken link http://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/golden/goldenarticle1.htm to http://www.ckc.ca/en/Files/Breed-Standards/Breed-Standards/Group-1-Sporting/RTG-Retriever-Golden which is the standard on the CKC website Prettyriver ( talk) 01:19, 23 February 2016 (UTC) Prettyriver ( talk) 01:19, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
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I should have checked all the links when checking the Canadian one. The UK link does not give a 404 error but is broken. Please change: http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/108 to http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/services/public/breed/standard.aspx?id=2047 This occurs in two places reference 12 and the standards links
I also am still getting the 404 error on the link under standards to the Canadian standard. Looks like the old link occurred in references and in the standards section. old is http://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/golden/goldenarticle1.htm s/b https://www.ckc.ca/en/Files/Forms/Shows-Trials/Breed-Standards/Group-1-Sporting/RTG-Retriever-Golden
It looks like some of the other links in the references are also out dated. The GRCA made extensive changes to their website recently. I will try to pull it all together. There are also other changes that would involve re-writing some sections but those are improvements that we should discuss.
Thanks Prettyriver ( talk) 13:04, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Prettyriver ( talk) 12:48, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
The section 'Characteristics' with sub headings of British type, American type and Canadian type would really benefit from re-working. I am a Golden Retriever breeder and active in several area with my dogs. I have contacted the Golden Retriever Club of America and the Golden Retriever Club of Canada for some help. The different styles of Golden (especially in North America)do not correspond to nationalities. Dogs breed for the show ring and dogs bred for field work have diverged somewhat but they are all one breed and there are quite a few breeders looking to produce dogs that look good and have working ability. There is also confusion because some North American breeders are producing 'English Creme' Goldens for puppy sales and these dogs are quite different in appearance from most of the 'British' dogs bred in Great Britain, and the rest of Europe. To add to that, a lot of Canadian breeders are using both North American lines and European lines in their breeding programs. Goldens are also popular in Australia and New Zealand and breeders there have made important contributions to the breed. My hope is that we will be able to produce a section that explains this without becoming either too long or too technical. -- Prettyriver ( talk) 01:13, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
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The link for the Australian standard is broken In the box in the upper right, it is http://www.ankc.aust.com/goldret.html but should be http://ankc.org.au/Breed/Detail/72
Reference 14 at the end of the article http://grca.org/pec/whitegolden.html is no longer available. On the GRCA (Golden Retriever Club of America)website, it has been replaced by https://www.grca.org/about-the-breed/articles/english-cream-golden-retrievers/ which does not exactly support the statement referencing it but it does address the issue in depth.
Reference 15 I am not sure what is wrong with the structure of this. The link to the AKC standard is correct.
Reference 18 http://ankc.org.au/_uploads/docs/23114GoldenRetrieverBSE.pdf is now http://www.grcv.org.au/images/Breed%20Standard%20of%20the%20Golden%20Retriever/Extended%20Breed%20Standard%20of%20the%20GoldenRetriever.pdf
Reference 24 link is broken https://www.grca.org/acquiring.htm#hereditary should be replaced by https://www.grca.org/find-a-golden/begin-the-search/health-issues-introduction-section-a/
Reference 26 link is broken http://www.upei.ca/~cidd/breeds/goldenretriever2.htm should be replaced by http://ic.upei.ca/cidd/breed/golden-retriever
Reference 27 the link is broken http://www.grca.org/health/hemophilia.html but this reference is a reference to hemophilia in Goldens https://www.grca.org/about-the-breed/health-research/bleeding-disorders-in-golden-retrievers/
Reference 38 is a broken link http://www.grca.org/history/default.htm this link provides information about the founding of the Golden Retriever Club of Ontario and its successor the Golden Retriever Club of Canada (GRCC) http://grcc.net/index.php/grcc-history/
Prettyriver ( talk) 21:12, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Golden Retriever/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
More refs would help, especially in the health and history sections. More about care should be added (e.g. grooming needs, more on exercise, dog sports, training etc). -- Pharaoh Hound (talk) 14:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC) |
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Some nutter who seems to be able to edit protected articles has changed every instance of 'dog' to 'doggo'. Might want to deal with this!
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Not done - Sorry, we can't include personal reflections or other unsourced content in this encyclopedia article.-
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What find new weight. Size medium? Large? Medium-large? Id say medium-large Please follow this.
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Weight 55-75 pounds briefly
I think this was a really good article. There were a large amount of references and the references were not plagiarized. The article remained unbiased the entire time. Chem2017 ( talk) 01:14, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
I found this article overall very good, but here are some things I noticed/some suggestions.
Under the “In Scotland” section, it is mentioned that the club took a picture with the most golden retrievers that are within one picture. Maybe the link to this picture could be added by adding it to the references for it (#39). The link on the references takes you the club website but the picture is not right there.
Under the “In England” and “In the United States” sections, there are no sources cited. Where did this information come from? The link for the Kennel Club of England would also be nice since there is a link for the American Kennel Club.
Under most sections, there are pictures. These pictures add a nice touch to the article but where did the information below them come from? Some of them have long explanations that go with them (for example the health and lifespan & common health problems sections) but there is no source cited.
The link to source #21 is not accessible and the proper citation for #16 is missing, it only has a link and that link also is not accessible.
Hope this is helpful to the article! Thanks for a great read from an avid golden retriever lover.
-- Pawlow44 ( talk) 19:39, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
It would be interesting to know:
1) What effects does Distemper have on Goldens? Because they tend to be more of a social breed, is it considered a common disease and health concern to them compared to less social breeds?
2) Why did it take 14 years for this breed to be recognized in America? Was it some process that the American Kennel Club needed approved?
Great article on a significant breed in the U.S.! Iadowty ( talk) 01:37, 24 September 2016 (UTC)Isabel Dowty
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There should be a section on Field Golden Retrievers. Those are much more different than the English, American and Canadian types (if those even are meaningful sub-types? I usually se a spectrum of all those types in most countries). Misterantrop ( talk) 20:13, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
There are a lot more colours than just dark golden to light golden. Some other colours are; white and red. I think the writer would of had time to include that they had webbed feet like all the other retriever types. They also failed to mention that they were bred by Lord Tweetmouth ( Tweetmouth is a nickname of the real breeder that most people use to name him ). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.232.72.5 ( talk) 08:58, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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(2nd paragraph under "Common health problems") They may suffer from heart disease, especially subvalvular aortic stenosis,[29] and cardiomyopathy and joint diseases, including patella luxation, osteochondritis, panosteitis, and cruciate ligament rupture. In addition to the heavy shedding they experience (and their constant lighter shedding throughout the year), Golden Retrievers can suffer from skin diseases; the most prevalent skin problem is allergies (often leading to acute moist dermatitis or "hot spots"), with the most common allergy being to fleas.[26] They can also suffer from seborrhoea, sebaceous adenitis, self-inflicted lick granuloma, and haemophilia.[32] (X) Golden retrievers may also suffer from seizures. Through electro-encephalographic (EEG) testing in a litter of golden retrievers, it was documented that this dog breed, at the age of full development, can contract seizures. The EEG risk assessment of idiopathic epilepsy is helpful in determining the health of a golden retriever offspring. (x) Please add (x). [1] Karentavarez ( talk) 18:03, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
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Please copy "The Golden Retriever was originally bred in Scotland in the mid-19th century" to the lede somewhere, maybe after (soft mouth) Mustsclue ( talk) 14:20, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
While I'm here, can you link Mobility assistance dog too please. Mustsclue ( talk) 14:25, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
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Please edit the image caption/infobox, to change the origin from England to Scotland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:110:8012:1010:718C:31D5:E73F:45A0 ( talk) 11:50, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Golden Retrievers are so cute! I have a Golden Retriever on my Nintendogs+Cats game! PencilmationFan999 ( talk) 01:04, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
In July 2006, the Golden Retriever Club of Scotland organized a gathering of Golden Retriever enthusiasts at the ancestral home, Guisachan House. A photograph taken by photographer Lynn Kipps to commemorate the occasion captured 188 Golden Retrievers, and so holds the record for the most Golden Retrievers in one image.[43]
The record was beaten in 2018 when 361 golden retrievers gathered in Guisanach House to celebrate 150th anniversary of the breed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.193.116.142 ( talk) 20:01, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
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It says medium-large in one of the sections so it's medium-large. Verminous Davis ( talk) 17:11, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
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Add the word beautiful somewhere Guntherline ( talk) 02:15, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
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Range differs in info box and text.-- 2604:2000:E010:1100:202C:27A0:6092:E81C ( talk) 06:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Should this be added to the "Notable Dogs" section? Seaotter26705 ( talk) 20:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
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replace "but its temperament has also made it the third-most popular family dog breed (by registration) in the United States, [1]" with "but its temperament has also made it the third-most popular family dog breed (by registration) in the United States and Canada, [2] [3]" 2001:569:FA6A:8C00:B583:94E3:A0C8:B067 ( talk) 15:13, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
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Out of curiosity, why is is necessary to have references to the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals and PennHIP-- both American organisations, in the section regarding Hip dysplasia for an animal that is a popular global breed? Talking about having pups checked for Hip dysplasia specifically by organisations located in Missouri and Pennsylvania (resp) is unnecessary and is otherwise irrelevant to anyone not living in those states or the US, again, for a breed of dog renowned for it's popularity around the world. ( 14.2.67.94 ( talk) 15:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC))
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Should this picture be added in the Health and Lifespan section? File:Golden Retriever 9-year old.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdelamaza ( talk • contribs) 23:39, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I can't edit the article myself as my account is not confirmed yet. Feel free to use the picture in the article if you deem it appropiate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdelamaza ( talk • contribs) 01:20, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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The line X "The Golden Retriever is a medium-large gun dog that was bred to retrieve shot waterfowl, such as ducks and upland game birds, during hunting and shooting parties.[3]" Is incorrect. They weren't bred for waterfowl, which is one of the reasons goldens often show an aversion to holding and carrying ducks. Instead they were bred for upland game and deer. The source, directly from the Guisachan, the brith place of the Golden Retriever. Should be Y "The Guisachan dogs were bred to be strong working dogs hunting grouse, partridge and deer." https://friendsofguisachan.org/main/guisachan-dogs/ Jhanlauf ( talk) 17:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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The last sentence of the section Health and Lifespan currently reads as follows:
Wiki-content should not be phrased like this as it will contradict WP:NOTGUIDE. Rather, the sentence, I propose, should be edited as follows:
The current version sounds as an advice from Wikipedia itself while Wikipedia does not advice anything. It can just narrate the consensus on what is advised. -- 81.213.215.83 ( talk) 05:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
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I feel a second review is warranted from an experienced editor as no opportunity was afforded to rectify the issues raised. Per discussion at WT:Good article nominations#Second opinion requested: Golden Retriever I have reopened this review. Cavalryman ( talk) 00:10, 9 January 2022 (UTC).
In 1903 the Kennel Club recorded the first examples, listing them in the same register as Flat-coats.
due to British wartime restrictions on the breeding of larger dogsto the sentence
The Golden Retriever Standard adopted by the British Kennel Club is accepted the world over, except in the U.S.A. and Canada, where a Golden is somewhat larger than in Britain and the cream color is still not allowable, but otherwise is basically the same.I think that is reflected in the article. I have seen some references in unreliable sources and the article before I started rewriting it [2] included large sections about these various lines, but again they were unreliably sourced (or unsourced). Unless I can find a quality secondary source that states these distinctions and terminology exist I think it should be excluded.
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Congrats to Cavalryman and others who helped bring this to GA, great work! Now that that's done, it seems to me that some further improvement could be made without too much further effort. In a spirit of constructive criticism, here are a few things that strike me at once:
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Calvaryman, why did Earwig return a 74.6% possibility of a copyvio in an article that was recently promoted to GA? Atsme 💬 📧 05:00, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
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I would like to request an edit to the "temperament" section.
Please change "The Golden Retriever is considered an intelligent, gentle natured and very affectionate breed of dog", which is WP:PUFFERY not even found in Hancock or Douglas, to this:
"The Golden Retriever is often considered a good natured, friendly and confident breed of dog, which makes for a good family pet".
Directly after that sentence, please add the following text:
"However, there are also reports of very aggressive golden retrievers, often in specific family groups of golden retrievers, which leads Knol et al. to suggest that some golden retriever lineages may have a propensity for aggression."
As part of this edit request, please use the citation here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168159106001444
These authors said on page 96: "According to the breed standard, Golden Retriever dogs should have an ideal character to make good family pets. For example, the Dutch Golden Retriever Club breed standard states that Golden Retrievers are ‘‘good-natured, friendly, and confident’’ (GRCN, 2005). However, there are also reports of very aggressive Golden Retrievers (Edwards, 1991; Galac and Knol, 1997; Heath, 1991; Knol and Schilder, 1999). A genetic background has been suggested for this aggression because the behaviour seems to occur more often in certain Golden Retriever family groups (Knol et al., 1997)."
Thank you very much. 2603:8080:2C00:1E00:A984:AFAF:7D4E:39D3 ( talk) 05:56, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
...there are also reports of very aggressive Golden Retrievers.It would, for example, be accurate and appropriate to say that "there are reports of modern humans practising cannibalism" in a study looking at potential reasons that some cultures may view the practice as more acceptable, but it would seem absurd (to me at least) to state in Human#Diet "there are reports of modern humans practising cannibalism", as that would lend undue weight to the topic. (Not to say that the prevalence of human cannibalism and aggression in golden retrievers are comparable, just as an example.)
The distributions of observations were skewed for most of the aggression measures so that the majority of dogs classified in the lower (less aggressive) classes and only a few dogs had been classified in the most extreme (aggressive) classes."
The Golden Retriever is often considered a good natured, friendly and confident breed of dog, which makes for a good family pet. However, there are also reports of very aggressive golden retrievers, often in specific family groups of golden retrievers, which leads Knol et al. to suggest that some golden retriever lineages may have a propensity for aggression.reads to me as implying "while the breed standard specifies X, in reality the breed displays Y", but this is clearly not the intended reading. Perhaps rewording the second sentence to resemble more closely the second quote you provide just above (which is at the first link) would change that while retaining the same idea - does "It has been suggested that substantial variations in aggression observed between groups of golden retrievers is partially caused by genetic factors." still match what you were looking to include? Tollens ( talk) 04:26, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
However, there have also been reports of very aggressive Golden Retrievers, who belong to specific families within the breed. It has been suggested that this variations in aggression observed between groups of golden retrievers is partially caused by genetic factors.