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this book should have been supplied with the double header in it's Wikipedia Entry. 1) WORK OF FICTION 2) the characters and events described in this publication are product of author's epiphany and loosely based on general events that occurred during WW II. treating this pamphlet as anything else than a defamation is just purely immoral. this book is on par with; painted bird and misha & the wolves
shemyaza (aginst all) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.146.124.40 ( talk) 12:15, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
@ Volunteer Marek: - care to explain why in relation to this revert, you've:
And in this revert, you've -
Misrepresenting sources in such a manner is not appropriate. Icewhiz ( talk) 18:11, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Browning also notes in regard to the photograph which motivated the book that it is unknown who took it, when and why.does not appear in Browning (who makes a general observation regarding photographs as evidence in general). Retaining Zoe Waxman's comment of anti-Polish accusations and her observation of lack of sympathy - while omitting her stmt that such lack of sympathy is understandable because of the material (as the concluding sentence in her paragraph) - is a serious distorion of what the source is saying. Icewhiz ( talk) 18:33, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The translation of the last quote in the 'Reception' section is misleading. 'Leaves (something) to be desired' would be much closer both to the German wording (no 'much'!) and the spirit, as Loose actually addresses what may well be 2 minor flaws ('the not wholly convincing attempts at giving a 'thick description' do not even mention Geertz'). IonDoe ( talk) 11:52, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Ingo Loose reviewed Golden Harvest, alongside Jan Grabowski's Hunt for the Jews, and Barbara Engelking's It Was Such a Beautiful Sunny Day. Loose wrote that all three works relate to the open wound of Polish-Jewish relations during the Holocaust, a very sensitive point in Polish historical memory. Loose writes that Gross makes it clear that a well-informed reader will find nothing new in the book, and in this manner, the book is perhaps disappointing to a professional reader, though worth reading as it has a social "therapeutic" dimension rather than opening a new page in the state of research. Loose notes that there has been a public debate regarding the book's cover photograph, and that neither Gross nor Gross's critics probably know exactly what it portrays. Loose also criticizes the work for lack of archival research and for jumping to conclusions, and states that the methodology "leaves much to be desired." [1]
References
Xx236 ( talk) 06:28, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
This page should contain some text, see Fear: Anti-Semitism in Poland after Auschwitz#Content. Now it describes mostly a discussion about the book, so maybe its name should be Controversies regarding ''Golden Harvest'' Gross&Gross or Reception of ''Golden Harvest''? Xx236 ( talk) 07:50, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
@
Volunteer Marek: - I attempted to reduce the content under dispute to a small subset - after discussion between us stalled and did not receive much external input. You
reverted the whole thing. Could we perhaps begin with agreeing on restoring the missing citation for Witold Mędykowski? In addition - omitting however this lack of sympathy can be readily explained by material covered as it is difficult to sympathize with those who capitalized on, and even rejoiced in, their neighbors' murder
while retaining Waxman notes that Gross has at times been accused of anti-Polish bias, and according to Waxman he at times displays a lack of sympathy to the dilemmas ordinary Poles faced,
is a misrepresentation of what Waxman wrote. And mentioning Medykowski's mention of the photograph without including his continuation of this being representative according to the Treblinka museum misrepresents Medykowski's message on the matter - to avoid misrepresentation, we should for Waxman either include in whole her discussion of bias - or exclude it - keeping only one fragment without the rather big HOWEVER does not represent the text. Likewise for Medykowski discussion of the photograph.
Icewhiz (
talk)
08:40, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Hitler's Beneficiaries: Plunder, Racial War, and the Nazi Welfare State by Götz Aly is based on German documents. Germans plundered on many levels and plundered plunderers. The idea of a Polish peasant with a Jewish plate or cusion simplifies the problem of taxes, regulated prices, slave work system. The answer of many Poles was black market and criminality. Hiding Jews were weak which made them preferred victmis, but they didn't have any food, so anyone inclufing hiding Jews robbed peasants. Xx236 ( talk) 11:16, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
https://apcz.umk.pl/czasopisma/index.php/SIT/article/view/SIT.2012.023/1514 Salmonowicz claims that he mentioned the problem earlier, so Gross implemented his agenda. He criticizes the book. Xx236 ( talk) 11:03, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
http://wyborcza.pl/1,76842,9094561,Recenzja_ostatecznej_wersji__Zlotych_zniw___historia.html Machcewicz is O.K., Gazeta Wyborcza is O.K., but Machcewicz's critics in GW isn't notable. Xx236 ( talk) 11:08, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
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this book should have been supplied with the double header in it's Wikipedia Entry. 1) WORK OF FICTION 2) the characters and events described in this publication are product of author's epiphany and loosely based on general events that occurred during WW II. treating this pamphlet as anything else than a defamation is just purely immoral. this book is on par with; painted bird and misha & the wolves
shemyaza (aginst all) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.146.124.40 ( talk) 12:15, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
@ Volunteer Marek: - care to explain why in relation to this revert, you've:
And in this revert, you've -
Misrepresenting sources in such a manner is not appropriate. Icewhiz ( talk) 18:11, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Browning also notes in regard to the photograph which motivated the book that it is unknown who took it, when and why.does not appear in Browning (who makes a general observation regarding photographs as evidence in general). Retaining Zoe Waxman's comment of anti-Polish accusations and her observation of lack of sympathy - while omitting her stmt that such lack of sympathy is understandable because of the material (as the concluding sentence in her paragraph) - is a serious distorion of what the source is saying. Icewhiz ( talk) 18:33, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The translation of the last quote in the 'Reception' section is misleading. 'Leaves (something) to be desired' would be much closer both to the German wording (no 'much'!) and the spirit, as Loose actually addresses what may well be 2 minor flaws ('the not wholly convincing attempts at giving a 'thick description' do not even mention Geertz'). IonDoe ( talk) 11:52, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Ingo Loose reviewed Golden Harvest, alongside Jan Grabowski's Hunt for the Jews, and Barbara Engelking's It Was Such a Beautiful Sunny Day. Loose wrote that all three works relate to the open wound of Polish-Jewish relations during the Holocaust, a very sensitive point in Polish historical memory. Loose writes that Gross makes it clear that a well-informed reader will find nothing new in the book, and in this manner, the book is perhaps disappointing to a professional reader, though worth reading as it has a social "therapeutic" dimension rather than opening a new page in the state of research. Loose notes that there has been a public debate regarding the book's cover photograph, and that neither Gross nor Gross's critics probably know exactly what it portrays. Loose also criticizes the work for lack of archival research and for jumping to conclusions, and states that the methodology "leaves much to be desired." [1]
References
Xx236 ( talk) 06:28, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
This page should contain some text, see Fear: Anti-Semitism in Poland after Auschwitz#Content. Now it describes mostly a discussion about the book, so maybe its name should be Controversies regarding ''Golden Harvest'' Gross&Gross or Reception of ''Golden Harvest''? Xx236 ( talk) 07:50, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
@
Volunteer Marek: - I attempted to reduce the content under dispute to a small subset - after discussion between us stalled and did not receive much external input. You
reverted the whole thing. Could we perhaps begin with agreeing on restoring the missing citation for Witold Mędykowski? In addition - omitting however this lack of sympathy can be readily explained by material covered as it is difficult to sympathize with those who capitalized on, and even rejoiced in, their neighbors' murder
while retaining Waxman notes that Gross has at times been accused of anti-Polish bias, and according to Waxman he at times displays a lack of sympathy to the dilemmas ordinary Poles faced,
is a misrepresentation of what Waxman wrote. And mentioning Medykowski's mention of the photograph without including his continuation of this being representative according to the Treblinka museum misrepresents Medykowski's message on the matter - to avoid misrepresentation, we should for Waxman either include in whole her discussion of bias - or exclude it - keeping only one fragment without the rather big HOWEVER does not represent the text. Likewise for Medykowski discussion of the photograph.
Icewhiz (
talk)
08:40, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Hitler's Beneficiaries: Plunder, Racial War, and the Nazi Welfare State by Götz Aly is based on German documents. Germans plundered on many levels and plundered plunderers. The idea of a Polish peasant with a Jewish plate or cusion simplifies the problem of taxes, regulated prices, slave work system. The answer of many Poles was black market and criminality. Hiding Jews were weak which made them preferred victmis, but they didn't have any food, so anyone inclufing hiding Jews robbed peasants. Xx236 ( talk) 11:16, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
https://apcz.umk.pl/czasopisma/index.php/SIT/article/view/SIT.2012.023/1514 Salmonowicz claims that he mentioned the problem earlier, so Gross implemented his agenda. He criticizes the book. Xx236 ( talk) 11:03, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
http://wyborcza.pl/1,76842,9094561,Recenzja_ostatecznej_wersji__Zlotych_zniw___historia.html Machcewicz is O.K., Gazeta Wyborcza is O.K., but Machcewicz's critics in GW isn't notable. Xx236 ( talk) 11:08, 24 September 2019 (UTC)