This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
Done a lot of editing to this page. Most of the stuff on the page was copied from the main Wikipedia articles for the games. JDC808 ( talk) 15:23, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
The God of war collection has been confirmed today, it is a collection of God of war 1 and 2, featuring trophies and updated graphics. Someone who is well versed and proffesional at editing Wikipedia should add details about this. Here are some sources: http://www.destructoid.com/incredible-god-of-war-collection-announced-for-ps3-146900.phtml http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/08/31/god-of-war-collection-blu-ray-disc-compilation-available-this-holiday-season/ -- Olifromsolly ( talk) 16:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
With regards to the recent edits which add a sales figure based on this link, here is why it is not valid as a citation. First, while the blog format does not necessarily mean that a source is invalid, the rule at Wikipedia is that they aren't valid (with a few exceptions such as the official PlayStation blogs, or journalistic blogs such as Joystiq or Kotaku). Blogs of known reliable sources (be they persons or organisations) are valid, depending on the content of course.
Even ignoring for a second that it is a blog though, it is not a valid source. It is stating sales figures but neither gives a source for those figures nor methodology behind where they came from. If they are quoting an official source (such as Sony) or they are an official source, then the figure can be trusted. As far as we know, they are neither of these. If they are quoting a professional sales tracking agency (NPD or similar) or are such an agency, then their figures can be used, but with a pinch of salt. As far as we know, they are neither of these either. As it stands, the linked page gives no source for the figures and simply states them as fact. Do you know the author didn't make them up? No. Do you know if they originate from a proven unreliable source (such as VGChartz)? No. As such, we cannot accept the figures as fact.
Alphathon™ ( talk) 20:30, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
P.S. I apologise for reverting the second edit; it wasn't intentional. That said, the "Remastered in High Definition" statement that was added was uncited anyway, and should have been placed after the citation for "Classics HD" (the way it was implied that the citation proved either the whole sentence or the "Remastered in High Definition" bit, rather than just the Classics HD bit). Alphathon™ ( talk) 20:38, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
A recent set of edits by an anon IP (173.81.132.218) saw all occurrences of God of War Collection in the article changed to God of War: Collection (with a colon). I have reverted these changes, but have now noticed that the US PlayStation blog and US PlayStation website both refer to it as God of War®: Collection. I have the game/collection, and both the spine and the manual clearly refer to it as God of War® Collection; it also shows up as God of War® Collection on the XMB. However, mine is the UK/PAL version, so I'm thinking perhaps the title differs between the regions (with the North American version called God of War®: Collection (with a colon) and the UK/EU/PAL version called God of War® Collection (no colon)), especially as it is listed as such on the UK PlayStation website. Could anybody who has the NA version check this? Alphathon™ ( talk) 22:58, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
No colon on NA version. 129.71.208.91 ( talk) 16:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
While this section and table:
There have been six games released in the God of War series. Four games were developed by SCE Santa Monica Studio, and two were developed by Ready at Dawn. One was also developed by Javaground.
Title | Year | PS3 | PSP | PS2 | Mobile Phone | Developer | Year of reissue on PS3 | Comments |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
God of War | 2005 | SCE Santa Monica Studio | 2009 | - | ||||
God of War II | 2007 | SCE Santa Monica Studio | 2009 | - | ||||
God of War: Betrayal | 2007 | Javaground | - | - | ||||
God of War: Chains of Olympus | 2008 | Ready at Dawn | 2011 | - | ||||
God of War III | 2010 | SCE Santa Monica Studio | - | - | ||||
God of War: Ghost of Sparta | 2010 | Ready at Dawn, SCE Santa Monica Studio | 2011 | - |
is a good effort, it is leaning towards WP:GAMECRUFT. There is another discussion here [1] that may help in understanding the rationale. Regards Thebladesofchaos ( talk) 01:07, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Someone removed the logo of the franchise and put instead the image of the new game. This must be removed as long as the game is having its own page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Travsam ( talk • contribs) 20:22, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
The parenthesis are unnecessary as it's the exact same information, only difference is you're putting parenthesis around the abilities. It has been stated that parenthesis are unnecessary and break up the prose. They should be minimally used.
Also, how was my comment uncivil? I made an observational statement. JDC808 ( talk) 17:01, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Around the time of the announcement of Ascension, some edits by Tintor2 have completely redone the Games section. About 2-3 years ago, me, Thebladesofchaos, and there might have been another user, decided upon the format that is currently on the page which has the games sub-sectioned in their release order with a very brief summary of each game. The only exception to this was with the two collections as they were separate releases, but it would be pointless to make an article for both as both pretty much already have two articles (articles can be made for them, but in my opinion, it would be pointless when they can be sub-sectioned here). There are other game series on Wikipedia that have a very similar format to what I'm arguing for and they are doing just fine. JDC808 ( talk) 17:09, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
As provided by Axem Titanium above, the bolding of the games in Games are modeled after Kingdom Hearts which is a Featured Article. -- JDC808 ♫ 01:03, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
GA toolbox |
---|
Reviewing |
Reviewer: Hahc21 ( talk · contribs) 03:59, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I will start the review this coming week, but now i saw that the lead is kind of strange, mostly the first paragraph: I think it's too long. Regards. — Hahc 21 04:07, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Okay, i'm done with the prose comments. Now i will check the references and go back to you with the verdict. Regards. — Hahc 21 16:19, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not) |
---|
|
Overall: |
· · · |
— Hahc 21 20:04, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Requesting assessment for A-Class. -- JDC808 ♫ 05:25, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
I removed this from 'Music' as extraneous detail:
The second track, "Shattering the Skies Above" by Trivium, [1] and the bonus track, "Even Gods Cry" by The Turtlenecks, [2] were made into music videos.
Cheers, Baffle gab1978 ( talk) 05:12, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Removed section; article is not about Kratos, it is about the series of games. This subject is covered in Kratos (God of War):
Kratos has been featured as a playable character in five other PlayStation games outside the God of War series. These include Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds (with "Clubs of Chaos"), [3] a DLC costume for LittleBigPlanet (also included Medusa and Minotaur costumes, and a level sticker kit), [4] Soulcalibur: Broken Destiny (with own stage), [5] ModNation Racers (with "Kart of Chaos"), [6] and the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Vita versions of Mortal Kombat (including own stage with three stage fatalities). [7] Kratos will appear as a playable character in the upcoming crossover fighting game, PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale (with God of War inspired stages, mixed with other games). [8]
Cheers, Baffle gab1978 ( talk) 05:12, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Removed track listing; extraneous information - article is about game series, not spin-off media products, where this sort of thing would be better placed.
Track listing No. Title Music Length 1. "My Obsession" Killswitch Engage 3:44 2. "Shattering the Skies Above" Trivium 4:44 3. "Raw Dog" Dream Theater 7:33 4. "This Is Madness" Taking Dawn 4:18 5. "Throat of Winter" Opeth 5:47 6. "The End" Mutiny Within 3:18 Total length: 29:24
God of War III Ultimate Edition/Ultimate Trilogy Edition bonus track No. Title Music Length 7. "Even Gods Cry" The Turtlenecks 7:32 Total length: 36:56
Cheers, Baffle gab1978 ( talk) 05:19, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
References
Blood&Metal
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Can we have a consensus on whether the creator field should have the creator of each game as a list or the creator of the series overall? There is a small disagreement between editors about which should be present. Samwalton9 ( talk) 23:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 109 external links on God of War (series). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
{{
dead link}}
tag to
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=4&cId=3159438{{
dead link}}
tag to
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=7951988&publicUserId=5380373{{
dead link}}
tag to
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9021456When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 16:30, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 23 March 2017. The result of the move review was endorse. |
The result of the move request was: Page moved. Moved to God of War (franchise) per discussion and consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) -- Dane talk 02:03, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
God of War (series) →
God of War (video game series) –
WP:CONCISE. There is a
God of War (TV series) article.
Rob Sinden (
talk) 10:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC) --Relisting.
TonyBallioni (
talk) 19:36, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 27 external links on God of War (franchise). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 12:40, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on God of War (franchise). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 01:23, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on God of War (franchise). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 05:38, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
Done a lot of editing to this page. Most of the stuff on the page was copied from the main Wikipedia articles for the games. JDC808 ( talk) 15:23, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
The God of war collection has been confirmed today, it is a collection of God of war 1 and 2, featuring trophies and updated graphics. Someone who is well versed and proffesional at editing Wikipedia should add details about this. Here are some sources: http://www.destructoid.com/incredible-god-of-war-collection-announced-for-ps3-146900.phtml http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/08/31/god-of-war-collection-blu-ray-disc-compilation-available-this-holiday-season/ -- Olifromsolly ( talk) 16:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
With regards to the recent edits which add a sales figure based on this link, here is why it is not valid as a citation. First, while the blog format does not necessarily mean that a source is invalid, the rule at Wikipedia is that they aren't valid (with a few exceptions such as the official PlayStation blogs, or journalistic blogs such as Joystiq or Kotaku). Blogs of known reliable sources (be they persons or organisations) are valid, depending on the content of course.
Even ignoring for a second that it is a blog though, it is not a valid source. It is stating sales figures but neither gives a source for those figures nor methodology behind where they came from. If they are quoting an official source (such as Sony) or they are an official source, then the figure can be trusted. As far as we know, they are neither of these. If they are quoting a professional sales tracking agency (NPD or similar) or are such an agency, then their figures can be used, but with a pinch of salt. As far as we know, they are neither of these either. As it stands, the linked page gives no source for the figures and simply states them as fact. Do you know the author didn't make them up? No. Do you know if they originate from a proven unreliable source (such as VGChartz)? No. As such, we cannot accept the figures as fact.
Alphathon™ ( talk) 20:30, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
P.S. I apologise for reverting the second edit; it wasn't intentional. That said, the "Remastered in High Definition" statement that was added was uncited anyway, and should have been placed after the citation for "Classics HD" (the way it was implied that the citation proved either the whole sentence or the "Remastered in High Definition" bit, rather than just the Classics HD bit). Alphathon™ ( talk) 20:38, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
A recent set of edits by an anon IP (173.81.132.218) saw all occurrences of God of War Collection in the article changed to God of War: Collection (with a colon). I have reverted these changes, but have now noticed that the US PlayStation blog and US PlayStation website both refer to it as God of War®: Collection. I have the game/collection, and both the spine and the manual clearly refer to it as God of War® Collection; it also shows up as God of War® Collection on the XMB. However, mine is the UK/PAL version, so I'm thinking perhaps the title differs between the regions (with the North American version called God of War®: Collection (with a colon) and the UK/EU/PAL version called God of War® Collection (no colon)), especially as it is listed as such on the UK PlayStation website. Could anybody who has the NA version check this? Alphathon™ ( talk) 22:58, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
No colon on NA version. 129.71.208.91 ( talk) 16:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
While this section and table:
There have been six games released in the God of War series. Four games were developed by SCE Santa Monica Studio, and two were developed by Ready at Dawn. One was also developed by Javaground.
Title | Year | PS3 | PSP | PS2 | Mobile Phone | Developer | Year of reissue on PS3 | Comments |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
God of War | 2005 | SCE Santa Monica Studio | 2009 | - | ||||
God of War II | 2007 | SCE Santa Monica Studio | 2009 | - | ||||
God of War: Betrayal | 2007 | Javaground | - | - | ||||
God of War: Chains of Olympus | 2008 | Ready at Dawn | 2011 | - | ||||
God of War III | 2010 | SCE Santa Monica Studio | - | - | ||||
God of War: Ghost of Sparta | 2010 | Ready at Dawn, SCE Santa Monica Studio | 2011 | - |
is a good effort, it is leaning towards WP:GAMECRUFT. There is another discussion here [1] that may help in understanding the rationale. Regards Thebladesofchaos ( talk) 01:07, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Someone removed the logo of the franchise and put instead the image of the new game. This must be removed as long as the game is having its own page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Travsam ( talk • contribs) 20:22, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
The parenthesis are unnecessary as it's the exact same information, only difference is you're putting parenthesis around the abilities. It has been stated that parenthesis are unnecessary and break up the prose. They should be minimally used.
Also, how was my comment uncivil? I made an observational statement. JDC808 ( talk) 17:01, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Around the time of the announcement of Ascension, some edits by Tintor2 have completely redone the Games section. About 2-3 years ago, me, Thebladesofchaos, and there might have been another user, decided upon the format that is currently on the page which has the games sub-sectioned in their release order with a very brief summary of each game. The only exception to this was with the two collections as they were separate releases, but it would be pointless to make an article for both as both pretty much already have two articles (articles can be made for them, but in my opinion, it would be pointless when they can be sub-sectioned here). There are other game series on Wikipedia that have a very similar format to what I'm arguing for and they are doing just fine. JDC808 ( talk) 17:09, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
As provided by Axem Titanium above, the bolding of the games in Games are modeled after Kingdom Hearts which is a Featured Article. -- JDC808 ♫ 01:03, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
GA toolbox |
---|
Reviewing |
Reviewer: Hahc21 ( talk · contribs) 03:59, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I will start the review this coming week, but now i saw that the lead is kind of strange, mostly the first paragraph: I think it's too long. Regards. — Hahc 21 04:07, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Okay, i'm done with the prose comments. Now i will check the references and go back to you with the verdict. Regards. — Hahc 21 16:19, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not) |
---|
|
Overall: |
· · · |
— Hahc 21 20:04, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Requesting assessment for A-Class. -- JDC808 ♫ 05:25, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
I removed this from 'Music' as extraneous detail:
The second track, "Shattering the Skies Above" by Trivium, [1] and the bonus track, "Even Gods Cry" by The Turtlenecks, [2] were made into music videos.
Cheers, Baffle gab1978 ( talk) 05:12, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Removed section; article is not about Kratos, it is about the series of games. This subject is covered in Kratos (God of War):
Kratos has been featured as a playable character in five other PlayStation games outside the God of War series. These include Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds (with "Clubs of Chaos"), [3] a DLC costume for LittleBigPlanet (also included Medusa and Minotaur costumes, and a level sticker kit), [4] Soulcalibur: Broken Destiny (with own stage), [5] ModNation Racers (with "Kart of Chaos"), [6] and the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Vita versions of Mortal Kombat (including own stage with three stage fatalities). [7] Kratos will appear as a playable character in the upcoming crossover fighting game, PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale (with God of War inspired stages, mixed with other games). [8]
Cheers, Baffle gab1978 ( talk) 05:12, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Removed track listing; extraneous information - article is about game series, not spin-off media products, where this sort of thing would be better placed.
Track listing No. Title Music Length 1. "My Obsession" Killswitch Engage 3:44 2. "Shattering the Skies Above" Trivium 4:44 3. "Raw Dog" Dream Theater 7:33 4. "This Is Madness" Taking Dawn 4:18 5. "Throat of Winter" Opeth 5:47 6. "The End" Mutiny Within 3:18 Total length: 29:24
God of War III Ultimate Edition/Ultimate Trilogy Edition bonus track No. Title Music Length 7. "Even Gods Cry" The Turtlenecks 7:32 Total length: 36:56
Cheers, Baffle gab1978 ( talk) 05:19, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
References
Blood&Metal
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Can we have a consensus on whether the creator field should have the creator of each game as a list or the creator of the series overall? There is a small disagreement between editors about which should be present. Samwalton9 ( talk) 23:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 109 external links on God of War (series). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
{{
dead link}}
tag to
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=4&cId=3159438{{
dead link}}
tag to
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=7951988&publicUserId=5380373{{
dead link}}
tag to
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9021456When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 16:30, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 23 March 2017. The result of the move review was endorse. |
The result of the move request was: Page moved. Moved to God of War (franchise) per discussion and consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) -- Dane talk 02:03, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
God of War (series) →
God of War (video game series) –
WP:CONCISE. There is a
God of War (TV series) article.
Rob Sinden (
talk) 10:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC) --Relisting.
TonyBallioni (
talk) 19:36, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 27 external links on God of War (franchise). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 12:40, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on God of War (franchise). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 01:23, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on God of War (franchise). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 05:38, 30 September 2017 (UTC)