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The Goby or Mudskipper article did not mention a fact which I think belongs in Wikipedia, but I have no experience of mudskippers. I learned this from a man who grew up in Malaysia:
This meant something to me, because in the U.S.,
Do you think it is appropriate for Wikipedia? The article says that mudskippers live on the coasts of Australia, too. Is it OK to put in this fact? Thank you. 169.207.85.217 18:13, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I would put it in with a caveat, e.g. "It is said that..." That doesn't commit us to the detail, but does say that the thing must be fairly fast to have that reputation.
As to the location, there are lots and lots of species of mudskipper, and they're found in all the warmwater oceans of the world.
seglea 20:38, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I don't think mudskipper should be merged with Goby. Mudskippers are a subtype of Goby that are very interesting in their own right because of their amphibious nature and deserve their own page.
Nicolharper
01:43, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
The mudskippers now have their own, distinct article. The comments on mudskippers here are now much briefer and serve only to link them in with the gobies. I don't see any reason to merge these two topics: while mudskippers are gobies, they're very distinct from them; would be merge the article on humans with the article about great apes?
Can we remove these articles from the list of articles needed merging?
-- Neale Monks 11:36, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
List_of_Gobiidae_genera Should this list figure into this article ? Nhobgood ( talk) 10:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
I read about the "fused pelvic fins that form a disc-shaped sucker," and I didn't understand it. I looked at the images but couldn't see where it is or how there is a suction until I searched the web for a while. Perhaps if someone could get the rights to an image like this one: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ckBlasgNSzg/STLpplFP-VI/AAAAAAAAJ5A/OB8A8HaTs-s/s1600/Sirajo+goby.jpg it would be very helpful towards illustrating the fused suction fin.
General Comments/Edits:
•More links in the article to other relevant pages or data would be helpful. It would help others perform their own research and help the flow of the article
•Is it possible to add a few mroe sentences explaining the benefits of cannibalism so that unfamiliar readers can understand?
•I would add more transitions between sentences to help improve the flow and reduce the disjointed feel.
•Also is it possible to remove the standalone research section and incorporate the information into other sections?
•A great article! MLiu19 ( talk) 21:49, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Specific changes: 1) "Gobies use their mouth to dig into the sea bottom, removing dead coral-fragments, rubbles, and benthic algae to build burrows. Gobies maintain their burrows by fanning away sand inside the burrow." --> "Gobies use their mouths to dig into the sea bottom, removing dead coral-fragments, rubble, and benthic algae in order to build their burrows. Gobies maintain their burrows by fanning away sand that is inside." 2) "Since not many males have large bodies, some small males decide to cheat instead of putting energy in finding mates and fulfilling the responsibility as males (i.e., protecting the territory and the female)." --> "Since not all males have large bodies, the smaller ones may cheat instead of expending energy to find mates and protect a territory." 3) "Most sex changes in gobies are female-to-male changes, though male-to-female changes are observed as well." --> "Most sex changes in gobies are from female to male, although the opposite is sometimes observed as well." 4) "They can lay from five to a few thousand eggs, depending on species. After fertilizing the eggs, the male remains to guard them from predators and keep them free from detritus." --> "They may lay from five to a few thousand eggs, depending on the species. After fertilizing the eggs, the male guards them from predators and keeps them free from detritus." 5) "Some gobies remember landmarks within short distance and use the information to get away from predators." --> "Some gobies remember landmarks that are within short distances, and use them to escape from predators."
Other suggestions: 1) The sentence “The mound lets the water flow fast over the mound, creating a low-pressure spot” is awkwardly worded and unclear, and should be changed. 2) The sub-header “Research” should either be taken out from the header “Behavior,” or renamed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by W.lin17 ( talk • contribs) 04:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank y'all so much! I made changes that y'all recommended!--------------------------- Hami910311 ( talk
I would recommend improving the organization of the Behavior section. Here are my suggestions:
Kleptogamy
Use of landmarks
Habitat choice
My suggestion is: Mating / Sex change and sex determination / Foraging (If you decide to elaborate more on this topic) / Symbiosis / Burrow construction / Navigation -Allasse0927 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2C61:D6E0:7514:1649:3AFA:54CB ( talk) 06:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below; it may be necessary, now, to discuss what to do with the redirect at Goby. Dekimasu よ! 01:49, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Goby → Gobiidae – The article is about the family, the vernacular name Goby is applied to lots of fish in other families in the Gobiiformes, e.g. Oxudercidae Quetzal1964 (talk) 09:25, 11 August 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasu よ! 18:54, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
In the section Kleptogamy this passage appears:
"The paired males most of the time think that the sneakers are females"
Because there is no way to determine what a fish thinks, this is entirely inappropriate.
We can report on what a fish does, or possibly what the results are of scientific tests on the fish or its environment.
But we cannot tell what a fish thinks.
I should think this would be obvious to anyone editing Wikipedia. 2601:200:C000:1A0:4174:5FF8:7FA:3410 ( talk) 19:54, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
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The Goby or Mudskipper article did not mention a fact which I think belongs in Wikipedia, but I have no experience of mudskippers. I learned this from a man who grew up in Malaysia:
This meant something to me, because in the U.S.,
Do you think it is appropriate for Wikipedia? The article says that mudskippers live on the coasts of Australia, too. Is it OK to put in this fact? Thank you. 169.207.85.217 18:13, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I would put it in with a caveat, e.g. "It is said that..." That doesn't commit us to the detail, but does say that the thing must be fairly fast to have that reputation.
As to the location, there are lots and lots of species of mudskipper, and they're found in all the warmwater oceans of the world.
seglea 20:38, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I don't think mudskipper should be merged with Goby. Mudskippers are a subtype of Goby that are very interesting in their own right because of their amphibious nature and deserve their own page.
Nicolharper
01:43, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
The mudskippers now have their own, distinct article. The comments on mudskippers here are now much briefer and serve only to link them in with the gobies. I don't see any reason to merge these two topics: while mudskippers are gobies, they're very distinct from them; would be merge the article on humans with the article about great apes?
Can we remove these articles from the list of articles needed merging?
-- Neale Monks 11:36, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
List_of_Gobiidae_genera Should this list figure into this article ? Nhobgood ( talk) 10:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
I read about the "fused pelvic fins that form a disc-shaped sucker," and I didn't understand it. I looked at the images but couldn't see where it is or how there is a suction until I searched the web for a while. Perhaps if someone could get the rights to an image like this one: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ckBlasgNSzg/STLpplFP-VI/AAAAAAAAJ5A/OB8A8HaTs-s/s1600/Sirajo+goby.jpg it would be very helpful towards illustrating the fused suction fin.
General Comments/Edits:
•More links in the article to other relevant pages or data would be helpful. It would help others perform their own research and help the flow of the article
•Is it possible to add a few mroe sentences explaining the benefits of cannibalism so that unfamiliar readers can understand?
•I would add more transitions between sentences to help improve the flow and reduce the disjointed feel.
•Also is it possible to remove the standalone research section and incorporate the information into other sections?
•A great article! MLiu19 ( talk) 21:49, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Specific changes: 1) "Gobies use their mouth to dig into the sea bottom, removing dead coral-fragments, rubbles, and benthic algae to build burrows. Gobies maintain their burrows by fanning away sand inside the burrow." --> "Gobies use their mouths to dig into the sea bottom, removing dead coral-fragments, rubble, and benthic algae in order to build their burrows. Gobies maintain their burrows by fanning away sand that is inside." 2) "Since not many males have large bodies, some small males decide to cheat instead of putting energy in finding mates and fulfilling the responsibility as males (i.e., protecting the territory and the female)." --> "Since not all males have large bodies, the smaller ones may cheat instead of expending energy to find mates and protect a territory." 3) "Most sex changes in gobies are female-to-male changes, though male-to-female changes are observed as well." --> "Most sex changes in gobies are from female to male, although the opposite is sometimes observed as well." 4) "They can lay from five to a few thousand eggs, depending on species. After fertilizing the eggs, the male remains to guard them from predators and keep them free from detritus." --> "They may lay from five to a few thousand eggs, depending on the species. After fertilizing the eggs, the male guards them from predators and keeps them free from detritus." 5) "Some gobies remember landmarks within short distance and use the information to get away from predators." --> "Some gobies remember landmarks that are within short distances, and use them to escape from predators."
Other suggestions: 1) The sentence “The mound lets the water flow fast over the mound, creating a low-pressure spot” is awkwardly worded and unclear, and should be changed. 2) The sub-header “Research” should either be taken out from the header “Behavior,” or renamed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by W.lin17 ( talk • contribs) 04:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank y'all so much! I made changes that y'all recommended!--------------------------- Hami910311 ( talk
I would recommend improving the organization of the Behavior section. Here are my suggestions:
Kleptogamy
Use of landmarks
Habitat choice
My suggestion is: Mating / Sex change and sex determination / Foraging (If you decide to elaborate more on this topic) / Symbiosis / Burrow construction / Navigation -Allasse0927 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2C61:D6E0:7514:1649:3AFA:54CB ( talk) 06:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below; it may be necessary, now, to discuss what to do with the redirect at Goby. Dekimasu よ! 01:49, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Goby → Gobiidae – The article is about the family, the vernacular name Goby is applied to lots of fish in other families in the Gobiiformes, e.g. Oxudercidae Quetzal1964 (talk) 09:25, 11 August 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasu よ! 18:54, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
In the section Kleptogamy this passage appears:
"The paired males most of the time think that the sneakers are females"
Because there is no way to determine what a fish thinks, this is entirely inappropriate.
We can report on what a fish does, or possibly what the results are of scientific tests on the fish or its environment.
But we cannot tell what a fish thinks.
I should think this would be obvious to anyone editing Wikipedia. 2601:200:C000:1A0:4174:5FF8:7FA:3410 ( talk) 19:54, 27 August 2022 (UTC)