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The result was: promoted by
Theleekycauldron (
talk) 06:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Created by Tbhotch ( talk). Self-nominated at 02:47, 6 October 2021 (UTC).
To T:DYK/P3
here by Women in Red Victuallers ( talk) 14:47, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
This is in many ways great to see, however looking at the sources and understanding that this was a one day protest act that took place only a few days ago, I am inclined to think this probably doesn't earn a page of its own, and believe this will be clearer as the dust settles. I would say the same for the Tlalli page. I think also to call and list this as a public sculptural art work is questionable and should be supported by citations, hopefully those artistically knowledgeable. I mention the sources, because a few come from not recognised mainstream nuetral sources, others only link to captioned photos, and the rest refer to the circumstances leading up to the protest act... Most aren't in English. Given that the page also exists in Spanish Wikipedia, and that this event is not really recognised by English language media, I think it is problematic. I think also an important question here about the relevance would be "Do residents of Mexico City know or refer to this space as the "Glorieta de las mujeres que luchan"?" I would imagine the overwhelming majority do not. In this case the page leans toward greatly over-emphasising its significance and can be considered npov in its overall trajectory. In closing I will offer a solution: merge this page, with Tlalli, into the Monument to Christopher Columbus (Paseo de la Reforma) page. Saludos, Hesperian Nguyen ( talk) 01:13, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
I'm happy to see and keep this article as well as Tlalli. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 03:57, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
I'm looking into this and now see the Spanish Wikipedia has a completely different understanding of the word 'Anti-monument. In English it is more conceptual and relates to the form the work takes to determine it's counter monumentality. In Spanish, it appears to refer to the Latin American movement of placing unsanctioned monuments in public spaces to forgotten events or tragedies that the state normally does not commission. Although the origin seems to be in common, we have a different meaning branching in the Spanish usage. As it stands now, here on English Wikipedia, the Justicia woman at the Women Who Fight Roundabout isn't an anti-monument, despite the parrot word in Spanish. I think a better term might be guerrilla art, like some of Banksy's works. Although looking at similar activist 'permissionless' actions like The Emperor Has No Balls, Dump Trump (statue), or Bust of Edward Snowden maybe Protest art is better? I think both the English and Spanish pages could be improved and/or expanded to create a more complete understanding, but that will take some work. Regards, Hesperian Nguyen ( talk) 22:36, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Hesperian Nguyen: Of course the goal is that the "point here is to make information understandable" but when your " corrections" end up being corrected, it's clear that hypercorrecting everything is not the real point. This article is not even a candidate for the WP:GA or WP:FA processess, and it's not even listed at WP:GOCE. (CC) Tbhotch ™ 00:59, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was: promoted by
Theleekycauldron (
talk) 06:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Created by Tbhotch ( talk). Self-nominated at 02:47, 6 October 2021 (UTC).
To T:DYK/P3
here by Women in Red Victuallers ( talk) 14:47, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
This is in many ways great to see, however looking at the sources and understanding that this was a one day protest act that took place only a few days ago, I am inclined to think this probably doesn't earn a page of its own, and believe this will be clearer as the dust settles. I would say the same for the Tlalli page. I think also to call and list this as a public sculptural art work is questionable and should be supported by citations, hopefully those artistically knowledgeable. I mention the sources, because a few come from not recognised mainstream nuetral sources, others only link to captioned photos, and the rest refer to the circumstances leading up to the protest act... Most aren't in English. Given that the page also exists in Spanish Wikipedia, and that this event is not really recognised by English language media, I think it is problematic. I think also an important question here about the relevance would be "Do residents of Mexico City know or refer to this space as the "Glorieta de las mujeres que luchan"?" I would imagine the overwhelming majority do not. In this case the page leans toward greatly over-emphasising its significance and can be considered npov in its overall trajectory. In closing I will offer a solution: merge this page, with Tlalli, into the Monument to Christopher Columbus (Paseo de la Reforma) page. Saludos, Hesperian Nguyen ( talk) 01:13, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
I'm happy to see and keep this article as well as Tlalli. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 03:57, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
I'm looking into this and now see the Spanish Wikipedia has a completely different understanding of the word 'Anti-monument. In English it is more conceptual and relates to the form the work takes to determine it's counter monumentality. In Spanish, it appears to refer to the Latin American movement of placing unsanctioned monuments in public spaces to forgotten events or tragedies that the state normally does not commission. Although the origin seems to be in common, we have a different meaning branching in the Spanish usage. As it stands now, here on English Wikipedia, the Justicia woman at the Women Who Fight Roundabout isn't an anti-monument, despite the parrot word in Spanish. I think a better term might be guerrilla art, like some of Banksy's works. Although looking at similar activist 'permissionless' actions like The Emperor Has No Balls, Dump Trump (statue), or Bust of Edward Snowden maybe Protest art is better? I think both the English and Spanish pages could be improved and/or expanded to create a more complete understanding, but that will take some work. Regards, Hesperian Nguyen ( talk) 22:36, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Hesperian Nguyen: Of course the goal is that the "point here is to make information understandable" but when your " corrections" end up being corrected, it's clear that hypercorrecting everything is not the real point. This article is not even a candidate for the WP:GA or WP:FA processess, and it's not even listed at WP:GOCE. (CC) Tbhotch ™ 00:59, 10 November 2021 (UTC)