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There were some big (for Boston) protests at various times, but I can't see any mention of them. I was at a really big one during the fall of maybe 2003? Don't recall if it was just Boston or multiple cities that time. Also, Boston had weekly protests starting from the passage of the PATRIOT Act and those organizers were key in putting those big protests together. Would love to see more about that. Boston activists have a lot of ties to NYC activists. In Boston most of the organizers were former Vietnam protesters and veterans of civil disobedience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.8.57 ( talk) 16:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Talk:Protests against the Iraq War/Archive 1: 1) Attendence/Merge/Numbers etc, 2. Why can't people unite?, 3. Protests on different days, 4. Orrder, 5. Numbers in Amsterdam, 6. Global protests against war on Iraq (pre-war), 7. demonstrations for & against this war, 8. Afghanistan Protests, 9. Media, 10. Moved here from Talk:Global protests against war on Iraq (pre-war), 11. Source for list, 12. Web archive URL,13. Error, 14. Cairo Anti war conference, 15. Clean up, 16. This article or section should be merged with 2003 Invasion of Iraq, 17. Page title, 18. February 15th Protest (London), 19. Global protests against the invation of Iraq?
After having looked at the article for February 15th Protest (London), and looking at the corresponding article section for it on Protests against the invasion of Iraq, it makes me wonder about the role that the latter article should play in organizing information about large-scale protests on the war in Iraq.
As more anti-war protests occur (there's a big one in DC coming up on September 24), this page is going to get really long. I already consider it bordering on unwieldy, carrying things like the big table with the attendance numbers for all the various cities on February 15 (which I think would be more appropriate for an expanded February 15th Protest (London) article - see below). As it is, the article is already 34KB long, and according to Wikipedia:Article size is getting to the point where it should be addressed.
The way I see it would make some changes where things should go. Big global days of action like February 15 should be an article all to themselves. Let me use the February 15, 2003 Global Day of Action as an example. The article on the protests worldwide on that day would be an article entitled February 15, 2003 Global Day of Action or thereabouts. Then we could list details about events in all the cities where events occurred. Then we could merge February 15th Protest (London) into that new article, turning February 15th Protest (London) into a redirect to the new February 15, 2003 Global Day of Action article, which would also contain that table with attendance numbers for the various cities participating. That would leave the Protests against the invasion of Iraq article to have a number of "Main article: (Whatever)" links on it, and shorter descriptions where there exists a full article about the day.
I hope what I've described makes at least some sense, but it ought to keep things from getting too big and unwieldy, and also better organize what we've got going here. Please let me know what you think and any questions you may have.
Schuminweb 19:26, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Please consider including the work of PMR (Port Militarization Resistance). There were ten days worth of protest last May (2006) at the Port of Olympia. Hundreds of protesters blocked Stryker vehicles deploying ahead of troops to Iraq. 33 people were arrested over ten days. Now, Tacoma PMR is currently (as of March 11th 2007) protesting another shipment of Strykers out of the Port of Tacoma ahead of troops. The police have used excessive force, gassing protesters on the night of March 9th, early into March 10th. PMR's position is that the troops will not deploy if the shipments can be stopped. This article also fails to mention the Citizens hearing on the legality of the war back in January, as well as resistance from Iraq war vetrans, and Lt. Watada, who was court marshalled for refusing to deploy. Some sources to include/ sites with more information and press releases= www.couragetoresist.org, www.thankyoult.org, www.omjp.org, http://www.omjp.org/OlyPort.html, http://www.omjp.org/PortMay06.html, and http://www.omjp.org/Port2007.html. You can also go to google news and google "Port of Tacoma" for news articles. You tube contains footage, as well as an interview with two PMR members. Please consider adding this information to the article. 24.18.106.13 21:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed a lot of images from this page tonight, in order to continue to clean up and shorten this article. The way I see it, thus my rationale for this change, is that this page should function less as a full article about all these different protests, or a collection of short articles on these protests, but rather as a list of different protests with descriptions, with links to separate articles on protests as appropriate (think February 15, 2003 global anti-war protest).
Thus as far as images go, the only ones I left are ones that are exclusive to this article. That's all of two photos. Of course, for larger protests, I'd like to see more separate articles. But we shall see... Schuminweb 03:42, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Some of the demonstrations on this page are saddly lacking in referances :-(. In orrder to fix this I have done a search for "anti-war demonstrations" on the BBC internet page [1]. I have dumped the results here. Most of it is about the UK 'cus the beeb is a UK institution but there is some global stuff as well.
Once used in the article the link has will be struck through.
-- JK the unwise 18:56, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Some other stuff To work in:
I just finished reformatting the article back to where there are lots of headings. However, the headings are smaller and there are now indentations in order to facilitate readability. I considered the bulleted version of the article to look like too monolithic of a block of text, and I personally was disinclined to either read it or edit it. Now that it's more visibly broken into smaller chunks, it makes it appear more prone to actually getting read.
Additionally, keeping it broken out like that makes editing easier. Rather than dealing with a large block of text, one can just edit the specific section that they wish and not have to deal with other areas.
I do like the way it's broken up now as far as time periods and such. I tweaked just slightly, though, to match it to periods in the war in Iraq.
Schuminweb 23:32, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
The section on protests on the Popular opposition to the 2003 Iraq War lists this page as the main page for that subject and so should just be a summary of this page. For this reason the folowing text which was added to that page should be worked into this page.
In October 2005, hundreds of vigils and protests occurred in towns across the U.S., all calling for "Not One More Death. Not One More Dollar." The event is sponsored by the American Friends Service Committee, Gold Star Families for Peace, Iraq Veterans Against the War, and Military Families Speak Out.
One of the most popular chants used by protesters was "no blood for oil."
Nu metal band System of a Down made a protest song called " Boom!", and invited documentarist Michael Moore to direct the music video, consisting mostly of clips of the protests worldwide.
-- JK the unwise 16:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I changed the name from Protests against the invasion of Iraq to Protests against the Iraq war as this seems more accurate. Protests took place not only against the inicial invation but also against the continuining war.
A while back the page was called Global protests against war on Iraq and was changed to Global protests against invasion of Iraq by Ed Poor for the reason that 'Invation of Iraq' is more neutral then the POV 'war on Iraq' [2]. I agree that 'war on Iraq' is problematic but I think the propper NPOV title is 'Iraq war'. This is a popular name for the conflict, and it is uncontrovercial since no one disagrees that there was a War and that it was in Iraq.-- JK the unwise 11:15, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Further name change, I have further changed the name of this article to specify which Iraq war the protests were against.-- JK the unwise 11:34, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Post-September 11 anti-war movement is writtern in a POV editorial orriginal reasearch fasion. I belive that this partly steams from the title which sets the article up to present an editorialised content.
To solve this problem I want to propose merging the content of the article into this page and the following pages Opposition to the 2001 Afghanistan War, Protests against the invasion of Afghanistan, Opposition to the 2003 Iraq War, Anti-war and The Left and war and then deleting Post-September 11 anti-war movement.-- JK the unwise 13:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Hopefully this revision will streamline things a bit. What I did is I removed the year headings (i.e. ===2004===) and promoted all the date headings to level-three headings. I figure that since every single date entry lists the year, that a separate year heading is unnecessary. This also straightens out the table of contents, which, since the addition of major time points (prior to invasion, invasion to fall, post-fall), had been kind of strange, since different divisions were laid on top of each other. As I said, this straightens it out, with our getting rid of the year separations. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 05:03, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Published on Sunday, October 20, 2002 by the Observer/UK Iraq War 'Unjustifiable', says Bush's Church Head by Ed Vulliamy in New York <quote> President George Bush's own Methodist church has launched a scathing attack on his preparations for war against Iraq, saying they are 'without any justification according to the teachings of Christ'.
Jim Winkler, head of social policy for United Methodists, added that all attempts at a 'dialogue' between the President and his own church over the war had fallen on deaf ears at the White House.
His remarks came as the US continued its efforts to achieve agreement on a UN resolution that would open the way for a tough program of weapons inspections in Iraq. France is believed to be concerned that the current draft resolution might still act as a trigger for military intervention without a full Security Council debate if Iraq fails to comply.
Winkler is general secretary of the Board of Church and Society for the United Methodist church, which counts the President and the Vice-President, Dick Cheney, among its members. The church represents eight to nine million regular churchgoers and is the third biggest in America.
The Methodist Church, he says, is not pacifist, but 'rejects war as a usual means of national policy'. Methodist scriptural doctrine, he added, specifies 'war as a last resort, primarily a defensive thing. And so far as I know, Saddam Hussein has not mobilized military forces along the borders of the United States, nor along his own border to invade a neighboring country, nor have any of these countries pleaded for our assistance, not does he have weapons of mass destruction targeted at the United States'.
Winkler said his church was 'keenly aware' that it counted the President and his deputy among its members, and that he was therefore 'frequently encouraged by others to be very careful about how I say things'. </quote> © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2002 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.241.41.44 ( talk • contribs) 20 Jan 2006
in words of a sixth grade student i dont like wars they are a waste of time and it hurts many prople in different way such as if a family member dies fighting for their country also it kills many people and could also leave people in danger. i am a 6th grade student and i am against war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.66.19.210 ( talk • contribs) 14 Feb 2006
So you don't think the United States ending World War II was a good idea? Or are you against only certain types of wars? Would you support a war to prevent someone from killing others? 72.45.14.84
Can the heavily endowed, 'astroturf' organizations which comprise the 'antiwar' movement be factually described as 'popular?' especially since the largest of these demonstrations were organized by members of Saddam Hussein's legal council?
also, few of these groups are against war, supporting 'anti-imperialist war' against the U.S.. Describing them or their initiatives as 'anti-war' is counter-factual and POV. I'll make the nessesary changes.
The material I am objecting to is in the second paragraph of the article and was added in this edit, which has stood unchallenged for over 5 days in this presumably much-watched article. Normally, seeing an edit like this by an anonymous contributor, I would simply revert it, but I assume that if it has sat here for 5 days, that is something of an implicit endorsement by several contributors, so instead I am raising this as a dispute.
I'll give at least 24 hours for response before I edit, although I certainly won't object if someone else reverts this material sooner. - Jmabel | Talk 20:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Iraq War is capitalized, as all named wars. -- nirvana2013 13:56, 24 February 2006 (UTC) I suppose it should be. Septentrionalis 04:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Morton devonshire removed the template and the disambiguation comment at the top of this article. On
my talk page he explained that he had not meant to remove the anti-war topics template only the disambig' sentence because
"The disambig isn't necessary, and in other similar articles this kind of information is placed under a 'See Also' header. From the WP style sheets I've seen, articles are supposed to start with a simple [subject] is . . . format"
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I think that this disambig' comment was orrginally added by an annon user who did not provide an edit comment. (see [4] ). Other wikipedia articles do contain this kind of thing but usally only if the article subject is very similar to (or likely to be confused with) other articles. Neither of these things seem to be the case with this article so I agree with Morton that we should move the links into the see also section.-- JK the unwise 13:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
The bit about the A29 protest needs to be updated. It currently speaks like it was written before the event happened (which is the case). We need to rewrite it to tell what actually happened, vs. what will happen. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 23:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Before this becomes a List of anti-war organizations in the external links section, would anyone be averse to cutting this WAY back, particularly regarding those links that already have articles? SchuminWeb ( Talk) 02:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
The January 27, 2007 protest was downplayed by the media, due to the attack of the media by various socialist groups, anarchists, etc. As a firsthand man of experience, there was well over a 100,000 people at this protest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 149.125.201.197 ( talk) 03:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC).
This article is getting kind of looooooooong... any thoughts about how we might want to split it up? SchuminWeb ( Talk) 07:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
In order to prevent the "After the fall of Baghdad" section from becoming too long - basically in order to provide another time point break - has anyone given any thought to adding an additional heading regarding the Iraqi civil war? Basically, this would entail changing "After the fall of Baghdad" to "Fall of Baghdad to civil war" and then add "After the beginning of civil war". I've not done it at this point because (A) it's a bit controversial about whether it's even a civil war going on over there, and (B) the Civil war in Iraq article does not give a good date in order to place such a break.
Thoughts? SchuminWeb ( Talk) 05:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Riddled with bias, I'm not saying its wrong, it's just not encyclopedic. Billcarr178 ( talk) 06:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I think this article is an interesting colleciton of info, but I dunno if having a section for each month (or in some cases each day) is the right approach. Perhaps keeping the timeframes as the main sections, and then using bullets and lists to itemize the protests under that...perhaps giving a full section to more significant protests (such as the one listed as the record for largets protest). -- TRTX T / C 18:47, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I read a book a while back by a US Marine, it may have been Shooter by Jack Coughlin, but the author said he was approached by western anti war protesters in Baghdad, and several Iraqi men came over and wanted to beat them up because they were glad Saddam was gone, the same people they were there to protest against, were the ones that had to defuse the situation and save them lol. -- Conor Fallon ( talk) 02:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
adding timeline infront of the title. Carachi ( talk) 08:11, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
the link to the protest mentioned on april 29th, 2006, is broken and i would like to suggest using this here instead: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/29/AR2006042900497.html in addition, it would be nice to mention the celebrities as well as the (underestimated) number of people attending. -- 96.63.2.100 ( talk) 13:56, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
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People, including journalists, were fired for opposing the Iraq War, and the only thing on this page is a criticism of ineffective the antiwar movement is?
The source I included is pathetic. A fringe far-right newspaper. These accusations were commonplace. Being antiwar in the United States was dangerous. Frank Gaffney wrote in a column in the Washington Times that criticizing the Iraq War in the Congress constitutes treason and that it "really should be a hanging offense." That concerns US Congressmen, but everybody who dared to criticize the war in the US faced the same attacks. The attempts to silence dissent was so commonplace it defines the Iraq War as much as the Holocaust defines the Third Reich.
In a counterpoint to anti-war demonstrations, supporters of war in Iraq have descended on cities from Fort Wayne to Cleveland, and Atlanta to Philadelphia. They wave flags, messages of support for the troops - and also banners attacking liberals, excoriating the UN, and in one case, advising: "Bomb France Now." -- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/26/usa.iraq
You had the likes of Students for War.
Why give the antiwar movement so much space and the much larger and powerful prowar movement isn't even mentioned? Not a word about the prowar demonstrations, which much more than the antiwar demonstrations define the Iraq War and the era. Antiwar demonstrations are the norm, because people tend to prefer peace to war. Prowar manifestations are far out there. I don't think you ever see it outside of authoritarian societies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.253.73.146 ( talk) 16:43, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
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There were some big (for Boston) protests at various times, but I can't see any mention of them. I was at a really big one during the fall of maybe 2003? Don't recall if it was just Boston or multiple cities that time. Also, Boston had weekly protests starting from the passage of the PATRIOT Act and those organizers were key in putting those big protests together. Would love to see more about that. Boston activists have a lot of ties to NYC activists. In Boston most of the organizers were former Vietnam protesters and veterans of civil disobedience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.8.57 ( talk) 16:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Talk:Protests against the Iraq War/Archive 1: 1) Attendence/Merge/Numbers etc, 2. Why can't people unite?, 3. Protests on different days, 4. Orrder, 5. Numbers in Amsterdam, 6. Global protests against war on Iraq (pre-war), 7. demonstrations for & against this war, 8. Afghanistan Protests, 9. Media, 10. Moved here from Talk:Global protests against war on Iraq (pre-war), 11. Source for list, 12. Web archive URL,13. Error, 14. Cairo Anti war conference, 15. Clean up, 16. This article or section should be merged with 2003 Invasion of Iraq, 17. Page title, 18. February 15th Protest (London), 19. Global protests against the invation of Iraq?
After having looked at the article for February 15th Protest (London), and looking at the corresponding article section for it on Protests against the invasion of Iraq, it makes me wonder about the role that the latter article should play in organizing information about large-scale protests on the war in Iraq.
As more anti-war protests occur (there's a big one in DC coming up on September 24), this page is going to get really long. I already consider it bordering on unwieldy, carrying things like the big table with the attendance numbers for all the various cities on February 15 (which I think would be more appropriate for an expanded February 15th Protest (London) article - see below). As it is, the article is already 34KB long, and according to Wikipedia:Article size is getting to the point where it should be addressed.
The way I see it would make some changes where things should go. Big global days of action like February 15 should be an article all to themselves. Let me use the February 15, 2003 Global Day of Action as an example. The article on the protests worldwide on that day would be an article entitled February 15, 2003 Global Day of Action or thereabouts. Then we could list details about events in all the cities where events occurred. Then we could merge February 15th Protest (London) into that new article, turning February 15th Protest (London) into a redirect to the new February 15, 2003 Global Day of Action article, which would also contain that table with attendance numbers for the various cities participating. That would leave the Protests against the invasion of Iraq article to have a number of "Main article: (Whatever)" links on it, and shorter descriptions where there exists a full article about the day.
I hope what I've described makes at least some sense, but it ought to keep things from getting too big and unwieldy, and also better organize what we've got going here. Please let me know what you think and any questions you may have.
Schuminweb 19:26, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Please consider including the work of PMR (Port Militarization Resistance). There were ten days worth of protest last May (2006) at the Port of Olympia. Hundreds of protesters blocked Stryker vehicles deploying ahead of troops to Iraq. 33 people were arrested over ten days. Now, Tacoma PMR is currently (as of March 11th 2007) protesting another shipment of Strykers out of the Port of Tacoma ahead of troops. The police have used excessive force, gassing protesters on the night of March 9th, early into March 10th. PMR's position is that the troops will not deploy if the shipments can be stopped. This article also fails to mention the Citizens hearing on the legality of the war back in January, as well as resistance from Iraq war vetrans, and Lt. Watada, who was court marshalled for refusing to deploy. Some sources to include/ sites with more information and press releases= www.couragetoresist.org, www.thankyoult.org, www.omjp.org, http://www.omjp.org/OlyPort.html, http://www.omjp.org/PortMay06.html, and http://www.omjp.org/Port2007.html. You can also go to google news and google "Port of Tacoma" for news articles. You tube contains footage, as well as an interview with two PMR members. Please consider adding this information to the article. 24.18.106.13 21:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed a lot of images from this page tonight, in order to continue to clean up and shorten this article. The way I see it, thus my rationale for this change, is that this page should function less as a full article about all these different protests, or a collection of short articles on these protests, but rather as a list of different protests with descriptions, with links to separate articles on protests as appropriate (think February 15, 2003 global anti-war protest).
Thus as far as images go, the only ones I left are ones that are exclusive to this article. That's all of two photos. Of course, for larger protests, I'd like to see more separate articles. But we shall see... Schuminweb 03:42, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Some of the demonstrations on this page are saddly lacking in referances :-(. In orrder to fix this I have done a search for "anti-war demonstrations" on the BBC internet page [1]. I have dumped the results here. Most of it is about the UK 'cus the beeb is a UK institution but there is some global stuff as well.
Once used in the article the link has will be struck through.
-- JK the unwise 18:56, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Some other stuff To work in:
I just finished reformatting the article back to where there are lots of headings. However, the headings are smaller and there are now indentations in order to facilitate readability. I considered the bulleted version of the article to look like too monolithic of a block of text, and I personally was disinclined to either read it or edit it. Now that it's more visibly broken into smaller chunks, it makes it appear more prone to actually getting read.
Additionally, keeping it broken out like that makes editing easier. Rather than dealing with a large block of text, one can just edit the specific section that they wish and not have to deal with other areas.
I do like the way it's broken up now as far as time periods and such. I tweaked just slightly, though, to match it to periods in the war in Iraq.
Schuminweb 23:32, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
The section on protests on the Popular opposition to the 2003 Iraq War lists this page as the main page for that subject and so should just be a summary of this page. For this reason the folowing text which was added to that page should be worked into this page.
In October 2005, hundreds of vigils and protests occurred in towns across the U.S., all calling for "Not One More Death. Not One More Dollar." The event is sponsored by the American Friends Service Committee, Gold Star Families for Peace, Iraq Veterans Against the War, and Military Families Speak Out.
One of the most popular chants used by protesters was "no blood for oil."
Nu metal band System of a Down made a protest song called " Boom!", and invited documentarist Michael Moore to direct the music video, consisting mostly of clips of the protests worldwide.
-- JK the unwise 16:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I changed the name from Protests against the invasion of Iraq to Protests against the Iraq war as this seems more accurate. Protests took place not only against the inicial invation but also against the continuining war.
A while back the page was called Global protests against war on Iraq and was changed to Global protests against invasion of Iraq by Ed Poor for the reason that 'Invation of Iraq' is more neutral then the POV 'war on Iraq' [2]. I agree that 'war on Iraq' is problematic but I think the propper NPOV title is 'Iraq war'. This is a popular name for the conflict, and it is uncontrovercial since no one disagrees that there was a War and that it was in Iraq.-- JK the unwise 11:15, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Further name change, I have further changed the name of this article to specify which Iraq war the protests were against.-- JK the unwise 11:34, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Post-September 11 anti-war movement is writtern in a POV editorial orriginal reasearch fasion. I belive that this partly steams from the title which sets the article up to present an editorialised content.
To solve this problem I want to propose merging the content of the article into this page and the following pages Opposition to the 2001 Afghanistan War, Protests against the invasion of Afghanistan, Opposition to the 2003 Iraq War, Anti-war and The Left and war and then deleting Post-September 11 anti-war movement.-- JK the unwise 13:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Hopefully this revision will streamline things a bit. What I did is I removed the year headings (i.e. ===2004===) and promoted all the date headings to level-three headings. I figure that since every single date entry lists the year, that a separate year heading is unnecessary. This also straightens out the table of contents, which, since the addition of major time points (prior to invasion, invasion to fall, post-fall), had been kind of strange, since different divisions were laid on top of each other. As I said, this straightens it out, with our getting rid of the year separations. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 05:03, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Published on Sunday, October 20, 2002 by the Observer/UK Iraq War 'Unjustifiable', says Bush's Church Head by Ed Vulliamy in New York <quote> President George Bush's own Methodist church has launched a scathing attack on his preparations for war against Iraq, saying they are 'without any justification according to the teachings of Christ'.
Jim Winkler, head of social policy for United Methodists, added that all attempts at a 'dialogue' between the President and his own church over the war had fallen on deaf ears at the White House.
His remarks came as the US continued its efforts to achieve agreement on a UN resolution that would open the way for a tough program of weapons inspections in Iraq. France is believed to be concerned that the current draft resolution might still act as a trigger for military intervention without a full Security Council debate if Iraq fails to comply.
Winkler is general secretary of the Board of Church and Society for the United Methodist church, which counts the President and the Vice-President, Dick Cheney, among its members. The church represents eight to nine million regular churchgoers and is the third biggest in America.
The Methodist Church, he says, is not pacifist, but 'rejects war as a usual means of national policy'. Methodist scriptural doctrine, he added, specifies 'war as a last resort, primarily a defensive thing. And so far as I know, Saddam Hussein has not mobilized military forces along the borders of the United States, nor along his own border to invade a neighboring country, nor have any of these countries pleaded for our assistance, not does he have weapons of mass destruction targeted at the United States'.
Winkler said his church was 'keenly aware' that it counted the President and his deputy among its members, and that he was therefore 'frequently encouraged by others to be very careful about how I say things'. </quote> © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2002 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.241.41.44 ( talk • contribs) 20 Jan 2006
in words of a sixth grade student i dont like wars they are a waste of time and it hurts many prople in different way such as if a family member dies fighting for their country also it kills many people and could also leave people in danger. i am a 6th grade student and i am against war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.66.19.210 ( talk • contribs) 14 Feb 2006
So you don't think the United States ending World War II was a good idea? Or are you against only certain types of wars? Would you support a war to prevent someone from killing others? 72.45.14.84
Can the heavily endowed, 'astroturf' organizations which comprise the 'antiwar' movement be factually described as 'popular?' especially since the largest of these demonstrations were organized by members of Saddam Hussein's legal council?
also, few of these groups are against war, supporting 'anti-imperialist war' against the U.S.. Describing them or their initiatives as 'anti-war' is counter-factual and POV. I'll make the nessesary changes.
The material I am objecting to is in the second paragraph of the article and was added in this edit, which has stood unchallenged for over 5 days in this presumably much-watched article. Normally, seeing an edit like this by an anonymous contributor, I would simply revert it, but I assume that if it has sat here for 5 days, that is something of an implicit endorsement by several contributors, so instead I am raising this as a dispute.
I'll give at least 24 hours for response before I edit, although I certainly won't object if someone else reverts this material sooner. - Jmabel | Talk 20:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Iraq War is capitalized, as all named wars. -- nirvana2013 13:56, 24 February 2006 (UTC) I suppose it should be. Septentrionalis 04:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Morton devonshire removed the template and the disambiguation comment at the top of this article. On
my talk page he explained that he had not meant to remove the anti-war topics template only the disambig' sentence because
"The disambig isn't necessary, and in other similar articles this kind of information is placed under a 'See Also' header. From the WP style sheets I've seen, articles are supposed to start with a simple [subject] is . . . format"
[3]
I think that this disambig' comment was orrginally added by an annon user who did not provide an edit comment. (see [4] ). Other wikipedia articles do contain this kind of thing but usally only if the article subject is very similar to (or likely to be confused with) other articles. Neither of these things seem to be the case with this article so I agree with Morton that we should move the links into the see also section.-- JK the unwise 13:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
The bit about the A29 protest needs to be updated. It currently speaks like it was written before the event happened (which is the case). We need to rewrite it to tell what actually happened, vs. what will happen. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 23:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Before this becomes a List of anti-war organizations in the external links section, would anyone be averse to cutting this WAY back, particularly regarding those links that already have articles? SchuminWeb ( Talk) 02:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
The January 27, 2007 protest was downplayed by the media, due to the attack of the media by various socialist groups, anarchists, etc. As a firsthand man of experience, there was well over a 100,000 people at this protest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 149.125.201.197 ( talk) 03:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC).
This article is getting kind of looooooooong... any thoughts about how we might want to split it up? SchuminWeb ( Talk) 07:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
In order to prevent the "After the fall of Baghdad" section from becoming too long - basically in order to provide another time point break - has anyone given any thought to adding an additional heading regarding the Iraqi civil war? Basically, this would entail changing "After the fall of Baghdad" to "Fall of Baghdad to civil war" and then add "After the beginning of civil war". I've not done it at this point because (A) it's a bit controversial about whether it's even a civil war going on over there, and (B) the Civil war in Iraq article does not give a good date in order to place such a break.
Thoughts? SchuminWeb ( Talk) 05:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Riddled with bias, I'm not saying its wrong, it's just not encyclopedic. Billcarr178 ( talk) 06:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I think this article is an interesting colleciton of info, but I dunno if having a section for each month (or in some cases each day) is the right approach. Perhaps keeping the timeframes as the main sections, and then using bullets and lists to itemize the protests under that...perhaps giving a full section to more significant protests (such as the one listed as the record for largets protest). -- TRTX T / C 18:47, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I read a book a while back by a US Marine, it may have been Shooter by Jack Coughlin, but the author said he was approached by western anti war protesters in Baghdad, and several Iraqi men came over and wanted to beat them up because they were glad Saddam was gone, the same people they were there to protest against, were the ones that had to defuse the situation and save them lol. -- Conor Fallon ( talk) 02:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
adding timeline infront of the title. Carachi ( talk) 08:11, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
the link to the protest mentioned on april 29th, 2006, is broken and i would like to suggest using this here instead: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/29/AR2006042900497.html in addition, it would be nice to mention the celebrities as well as the (underestimated) number of people attending. -- 96.63.2.100 ( talk) 13:56, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
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People, including journalists, were fired for opposing the Iraq War, and the only thing on this page is a criticism of ineffective the antiwar movement is?
The source I included is pathetic. A fringe far-right newspaper. These accusations were commonplace. Being antiwar in the United States was dangerous. Frank Gaffney wrote in a column in the Washington Times that criticizing the Iraq War in the Congress constitutes treason and that it "really should be a hanging offense." That concerns US Congressmen, but everybody who dared to criticize the war in the US faced the same attacks. The attempts to silence dissent was so commonplace it defines the Iraq War as much as the Holocaust defines the Third Reich.
In a counterpoint to anti-war demonstrations, supporters of war in Iraq have descended on cities from Fort Wayne to Cleveland, and Atlanta to Philadelphia. They wave flags, messages of support for the troops - and also banners attacking liberals, excoriating the UN, and in one case, advising: "Bomb France Now." -- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/26/usa.iraq
You had the likes of Students for War.
Why give the antiwar movement so much space and the much larger and powerful prowar movement isn't even mentioned? Not a word about the prowar demonstrations, which much more than the antiwar demonstrations define the Iraq War and the era. Antiwar demonstrations are the norm, because people tend to prefer peace to war. Prowar manifestations are far out there. I don't think you ever see it outside of authoritarian societies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.253.73.146 ( talk) 16:43, 3 October 2021 (UTC)