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The article was improved in the domographic section according to the lastest census held in Albania. The previous paragraph it was merged to a new article Demographic history of Gjirokastër County, as it does not concern only Gjirokastër Town or Gjirokaster Municipality, to which this article is subbject. ( Bes-ART ( talk) 12:15, 10 February 2018 (UTC))
The 2011 census has been heavily criticized by the Council of Europe, among other [1]. I suggest you drop this, you won't get anywhere. Khirurg ( talk) 18:01, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
I am impartial to this and [...] you do not have any consensus for the changes you have attempted to pass. It is in your best interests to seek some consensus beforehand with your fellow editors [...]. -- ❤ SILENT RESIDENT ❤ 23:00, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Ethnicity (from here [4]) : Albanians 76.02% Greeks 6.05% Roma 0.45% Vlachs 0.40% "Egyptians" 0.05% (of course all three/four minorities may be underrepresented) Religion (from here [5]) : Muslim 39.22% Catholic 3.24% Orthodox 15.23% Bektashi 3.08%, rest is mostly undeclared~irreligious and maybe a tiny sliver of Protestants. Criticism of the census: Council of Europe [1], for more see Religion_in_Albania#Reactions_to_the_2011_Census
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I fail to understand why something that occurred 'on the land opposite Corfu' is also confirmed as part of the history of this town. Giakoumis in his work offers descriptions about the Albanian precense in the town ( According to the sources, there were two migrant groups, the one which travelled via Ohrid and ended in Thessaly while the other, moving through Kelcyre, reached Gjirokaster and the despotate. The purpose of their occupation was to search for new pasture lands. The combination of fertile plains and mountains rich in grasslands in the region of Gjirokaster was ideal for the poor nomadic Albanians who did not hesitate to ravage cities when they lacked provisions.."; p. 182. "Furthermore, I presented evidence that the in the fourteenth century immigrant Albanians taking advantage of the decimation of the local Epirote population by to the Black death also migrated into the regions of Gjirokastër) however the supposed presence opposite Corfu means nothing about Gjirokaster. No wonder the word Gjirokaster is absent in this part of Giakoumis' paper. Alexikoua ( talk) 19:44, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
According to the same rationale we should copy paste the entire Epirus history section in here. In general: Epirus history isn't necessary history of Gjirokaster. Alexikoua ( talk) 19:49, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Being twinned with an Albanian city can't really be called 'international relations', right? Onoufrios d ( talk) 06:29, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
This edit [ [9]] replaces information by a secondary academic source (the demolition of E.Hoxha statue by the Greek minority) with information provided by a local news portal (+removing anything linked to the Greek minority about this event). Editors should be very careful and follow wp:HISTRS on such issues. Alexikoua ( talk) 20:34, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Your source does NOT mention which group demolished the statue of Enver Hoxha. It is NEVER stated that "the statue was demolished by ethnic greeks" RoyalHeritageAlb ( talk) 23:20, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Per wp:AGF I am presenting here the quote (already in the inline citation):
Under communism the Greek minority was subject to serious human rights abuses, particularly in terms of religious freedom, education in the Greek language and freedom of publication. It played a leading part in the struggle to end the one party state, with the demolition of the monumental statue of Enver Hoxha in Gjirokastra in August 1991 an important landmark
What exactly can you not understand from this part? Let me help you: 'It' refers to the Greek minority. Don't remove it again. Alexikoua ( talk) 04:53, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Taken by the Hellenic Army during the Balkan Wars of 1912–13 on account of its large Greek speaking populationwhich cites Pettifer (2001):
Given its large Greek-speaking population, the city of Gjirokastra (in Greek, Agyrocastro), in the Vjosa (Aoos) River valley, only twenty miles from the Greek border, was a particularly active centre of irredentist ambition.Both the edit and the citation when compared to specialized references about the area turn out to be wrong. Any army - the Greek army included - in the Balkan Wars entered an area to seize it regardless of the local population. Neither Filiates, nor Konispol had a large Greek-speaking population, yet the Greek army attacked them - as did all armies everywhere in the Balkans without taking into account the wishes of the locals. The population of Gjirokastër itself was predominantly Albanian-speaking and only a small number of families were Greek-speaking. This is repeated throughout Kokolakis (2003). I included only a couple of the quotes:
Τα αλβανικά αποτελούσαν την κυρίαρχη ομιλούμενη γλώσσα προς τα βόρεια μιας γραμμής που άρχιζε από την περιοχή των Αγίων Σαράντα, περνούσε δίπλα από τις πόλεις Δέλβινο και Αργυρόκαστρο (ανάμεσα στα χωριά Κολορτσί και Δερβιτσάνη) και φτάνοντας στην Πολίτσανη, όπου και το βορειότερο άκρο της επαρχίας του Πωγωνιού, στρεφόταν προς τα νοτιοανατολικά και ακολουθούσε περίπου την πορεία των σημερινών ελληνοαλβανικών συνόρων. (p.50) Ο διεσπαρμένος ελληνόφωνος πληθυσμός περιλάμβανε τις ελληνόφωνες νησίδες (...) και μικρό αριθμό οικογενειών στα αστικά κέντρα του Αργυροκάστρου και της Αυλώνας.[Translation: Albanian was the dominant spoken language to the north of a line that started from the region of Agioi Saranda, passed by the towns of Delvino and Argyrokastro (between the villages of Kolortsi and Dervicani) and reached Politsani, where the northernmost tip of the province Pogoniou, it turned towards the southeast and roughly followed the course of the current Greek-Albanian border. (p.50) The scattered Greek-speaking population included the Greek-speaking islands (...) and a small number of families in the urban centers of Argyrokastro and Avlona.-- Maleschreiber ( talk) 22:45, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
When Isaou, the Italian ruler of Ioannina, passed to the offensive in 1399, he had already won over the Mazarakii (Albanians) and the Malakasaei (perhaps Vlach- speakers) and he recruited Greeks evidently from Zagori, Papingo (above Konitsa), and "Druinoupolis with Argyrokastro and the great Zagoria" (probably the high country northwest of Argyrokastro, of which a part is still called Zagorie)was cited as
In 1399 the Greek inhabitants of the city joined the Despot of Epirus, Esau, in his campaign against various Albanian and Aromanian tribesmen.The wikipedia entry distorts Hammond (1976) as he doesn't claim that the tribesmen fought against Esau, but with Esau against Gjon Zenebishi, while Hammond (1976) distorts the original quotation as there is no comment about ethnicity in this passage of the Chronicle of Ioannina:
ἐκστρατεύει κατὰ τοῦ Γκίονη τοῦ Ζενεβίση ὁ δεσπότης Ἰζαοὺ μετὰ πάσης δυνάμεως αὐτοῦ. ἐπισυνάξας οὖν τὰ στρατεύματα, τοὺς Μαλακασαίους καὶ Μαζαρακαίους, ἔτι δὲ τοῦ Παπίγκου καὶ τῶν Ζαγορίων, ἀλλὰ δὴ καὶ τῆς Δρυϊνουπόλεως μετὰ τοῦ Ἀργυροκάστρου καὶ τῶν Μεγάλων ΖαγορίωνI relied on the translation by Osswald (2011) who doesn't use any ethnic categories for the people who were part of Esau's army as no such categories exist in the original source. Hence, I replaced Hammond's interpretation with Osswald (2011).-- Maleschreiber ( talk) 15:36, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
During the 19th and early 20th century, Albanian speaking Muslims were the majority population of Gjirokastër, while only a few Greek-speaking families lived there.Citing Kokolakis and Giakoumis,it also says:
From the 16th century until the early 19th century Gjirokastër went from being a predominantly Christian city to one with a Muslim majority due to much of the urban population converting to Islam alongside an influx of Muslim converts from the surrounding countryside. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 00:05, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Οι περιοχές εκείνες οι οποίες, μολονότι αλβανόφωνες, γειτόνευαν άμεσα με συμπαγή ελληνόφωνο πληθυσμό (τα περίχωρα του Αργυροκάστρου, το Μπρεγουδέτι, δηλαδή τα παραλιακά μέρη της επαρχίας Δελβίνου, το Φανάρι, οι Λάκκες, και φυσικά όλες σχεδόν οι περιοχές της αρβανίτικης διασποράς στη νοτιότερη Ελλάδα) δεν επηρεάστηκαν παρά μόνο σποραδικά από το ρεύμα του εξισλαμισμού. Σ' αυτά τα μέρη οι μουσουλμανικές κοινότητες, όταν υπήρχαν, περιορίζονταν στο συμπαγή πληθυσμό ορισμένων πόλεων και κωμοπόλεων (Αργυρόκαστρο, Λιμπόχοβο, Λεσκοβίκι, Δέλβινο, Παραμυθιά) (..)[Translation:Those areas which, although Albanian-speaking, were directly adjacent to a solid Greek-speaking population (the outskirts of Argyrokastro, Bregoudeti, i.e. the coastal parts of Delvinou province, Fanari, Lakkas, and of course almost all the areas of the Albanian diaspora in southernmost Greece ) were only sporadically affected by the current of Islamization.
In these places the Muslim communities, when they existed, were limited to the compact population of certain cities and towns (Argyrokastro, Limbokhovo, Leskoviki, Delvino, Paramythia)(..)] There are many sources which highlight this aspect of demographics. @ Ktrimi991: can you move your discussion with Khirurg to a new section?-- Maleschreiber ( talk) 00:25, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
I failed verification regarding the passage: "Given its large Greek population, the city was claimed and taken by Greece during the First Balkan War of 1912–1913, following the retreat of the Ottomans from the region."
, which directly confronts with the passage above it, which I could verify: "During the 19th and early 20th century, Albanian speaking Muslims were the majority population of Gjirokastër, while only a few Greek-speaking families lived there."
. Could someone check if the source actually mentions "Given its large Greek population"?
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The article was improved in the domographic section according to the lastest census held in Albania. The previous paragraph it was merged to a new article Demographic history of Gjirokastër County, as it does not concern only Gjirokastër Town or Gjirokaster Municipality, to which this article is subbject. ( Bes-ART ( talk) 12:15, 10 February 2018 (UTC))
The 2011 census has been heavily criticized by the Council of Europe, among other [1]. I suggest you drop this, you won't get anywhere. Khirurg ( talk) 18:01, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
I am impartial to this and [...] you do not have any consensus for the changes you have attempted to pass. It is in your best interests to seek some consensus beforehand with your fellow editors [...]. -- ❤ SILENT RESIDENT ❤ 23:00, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Ethnicity (from here [4]) : Albanians 76.02% Greeks 6.05% Roma 0.45% Vlachs 0.40% "Egyptians" 0.05% (of course all three/four minorities may be underrepresented) Religion (from here [5]) : Muslim 39.22% Catholic 3.24% Orthodox 15.23% Bektashi 3.08%, rest is mostly undeclared~irreligious and maybe a tiny sliver of Protestants. Criticism of the census: Council of Europe [1], for more see Religion_in_Albania#Reactions_to_the_2011_Census
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I fail to understand why something that occurred 'on the land opposite Corfu' is also confirmed as part of the history of this town. Giakoumis in his work offers descriptions about the Albanian precense in the town ( According to the sources, there were two migrant groups, the one which travelled via Ohrid and ended in Thessaly while the other, moving through Kelcyre, reached Gjirokaster and the despotate. The purpose of their occupation was to search for new pasture lands. The combination of fertile plains and mountains rich in grasslands in the region of Gjirokaster was ideal for the poor nomadic Albanians who did not hesitate to ravage cities when they lacked provisions.."; p. 182. "Furthermore, I presented evidence that the in the fourteenth century immigrant Albanians taking advantage of the decimation of the local Epirote population by to the Black death also migrated into the regions of Gjirokastër) however the supposed presence opposite Corfu means nothing about Gjirokaster. No wonder the word Gjirokaster is absent in this part of Giakoumis' paper. Alexikoua ( talk) 19:44, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
According to the same rationale we should copy paste the entire Epirus history section in here. In general: Epirus history isn't necessary history of Gjirokaster. Alexikoua ( talk) 19:49, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Being twinned with an Albanian city can't really be called 'international relations', right? Onoufrios d ( talk) 06:29, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
This edit [ [9]] replaces information by a secondary academic source (the demolition of E.Hoxha statue by the Greek minority) with information provided by a local news portal (+removing anything linked to the Greek minority about this event). Editors should be very careful and follow wp:HISTRS on such issues. Alexikoua ( talk) 20:34, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Your source does NOT mention which group demolished the statue of Enver Hoxha. It is NEVER stated that "the statue was demolished by ethnic greeks" RoyalHeritageAlb ( talk) 23:20, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Per wp:AGF I am presenting here the quote (already in the inline citation):
Under communism the Greek minority was subject to serious human rights abuses, particularly in terms of religious freedom, education in the Greek language and freedom of publication. It played a leading part in the struggle to end the one party state, with the demolition of the monumental statue of Enver Hoxha in Gjirokastra in August 1991 an important landmark
What exactly can you not understand from this part? Let me help you: 'It' refers to the Greek minority. Don't remove it again. Alexikoua ( talk) 04:53, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Taken by the Hellenic Army during the Balkan Wars of 1912–13 on account of its large Greek speaking populationwhich cites Pettifer (2001):
Given its large Greek-speaking population, the city of Gjirokastra (in Greek, Agyrocastro), in the Vjosa (Aoos) River valley, only twenty miles from the Greek border, was a particularly active centre of irredentist ambition.Both the edit and the citation when compared to specialized references about the area turn out to be wrong. Any army - the Greek army included - in the Balkan Wars entered an area to seize it regardless of the local population. Neither Filiates, nor Konispol had a large Greek-speaking population, yet the Greek army attacked them - as did all armies everywhere in the Balkans without taking into account the wishes of the locals. The population of Gjirokastër itself was predominantly Albanian-speaking and only a small number of families were Greek-speaking. This is repeated throughout Kokolakis (2003). I included only a couple of the quotes:
Τα αλβανικά αποτελούσαν την κυρίαρχη ομιλούμενη γλώσσα προς τα βόρεια μιας γραμμής που άρχιζε από την περιοχή των Αγίων Σαράντα, περνούσε δίπλα από τις πόλεις Δέλβινο και Αργυρόκαστρο (ανάμεσα στα χωριά Κολορτσί και Δερβιτσάνη) και φτάνοντας στην Πολίτσανη, όπου και το βορειότερο άκρο της επαρχίας του Πωγωνιού, στρεφόταν προς τα νοτιοανατολικά και ακολουθούσε περίπου την πορεία των σημερινών ελληνοαλβανικών συνόρων. (p.50) Ο διεσπαρμένος ελληνόφωνος πληθυσμός περιλάμβανε τις ελληνόφωνες νησίδες (...) και μικρό αριθμό οικογενειών στα αστικά κέντρα του Αργυροκάστρου και της Αυλώνας.[Translation: Albanian was the dominant spoken language to the north of a line that started from the region of Agioi Saranda, passed by the towns of Delvino and Argyrokastro (between the villages of Kolortsi and Dervicani) and reached Politsani, where the northernmost tip of the province Pogoniou, it turned towards the southeast and roughly followed the course of the current Greek-Albanian border. (p.50) The scattered Greek-speaking population included the Greek-speaking islands (...) and a small number of families in the urban centers of Argyrokastro and Avlona.-- Maleschreiber ( talk) 22:45, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
When Isaou, the Italian ruler of Ioannina, passed to the offensive in 1399, he had already won over the Mazarakii (Albanians) and the Malakasaei (perhaps Vlach- speakers) and he recruited Greeks evidently from Zagori, Papingo (above Konitsa), and "Druinoupolis with Argyrokastro and the great Zagoria" (probably the high country northwest of Argyrokastro, of which a part is still called Zagorie)was cited as
In 1399 the Greek inhabitants of the city joined the Despot of Epirus, Esau, in his campaign against various Albanian and Aromanian tribesmen.The wikipedia entry distorts Hammond (1976) as he doesn't claim that the tribesmen fought against Esau, but with Esau against Gjon Zenebishi, while Hammond (1976) distorts the original quotation as there is no comment about ethnicity in this passage of the Chronicle of Ioannina:
ἐκστρατεύει κατὰ τοῦ Γκίονη τοῦ Ζενεβίση ὁ δεσπότης Ἰζαοὺ μετὰ πάσης δυνάμεως αὐτοῦ. ἐπισυνάξας οὖν τὰ στρατεύματα, τοὺς Μαλακασαίους καὶ Μαζαρακαίους, ἔτι δὲ τοῦ Παπίγκου καὶ τῶν Ζαγορίων, ἀλλὰ δὴ καὶ τῆς Δρυϊνουπόλεως μετὰ τοῦ Ἀργυροκάστρου καὶ τῶν Μεγάλων ΖαγορίωνI relied on the translation by Osswald (2011) who doesn't use any ethnic categories for the people who were part of Esau's army as no such categories exist in the original source. Hence, I replaced Hammond's interpretation with Osswald (2011).-- Maleschreiber ( talk) 15:36, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
During the 19th and early 20th century, Albanian speaking Muslims were the majority population of Gjirokastër, while only a few Greek-speaking families lived there.Citing Kokolakis and Giakoumis,it also says:
From the 16th century until the early 19th century Gjirokastër went from being a predominantly Christian city to one with a Muslim majority due to much of the urban population converting to Islam alongside an influx of Muslim converts from the surrounding countryside. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 00:05, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Οι περιοχές εκείνες οι οποίες, μολονότι αλβανόφωνες, γειτόνευαν άμεσα με συμπαγή ελληνόφωνο πληθυσμό (τα περίχωρα του Αργυροκάστρου, το Μπρεγουδέτι, δηλαδή τα παραλιακά μέρη της επαρχίας Δελβίνου, το Φανάρι, οι Λάκκες, και φυσικά όλες σχεδόν οι περιοχές της αρβανίτικης διασποράς στη νοτιότερη Ελλάδα) δεν επηρεάστηκαν παρά μόνο σποραδικά από το ρεύμα του εξισλαμισμού. Σ' αυτά τα μέρη οι μουσουλμανικές κοινότητες, όταν υπήρχαν, περιορίζονταν στο συμπαγή πληθυσμό ορισμένων πόλεων και κωμοπόλεων (Αργυρόκαστρο, Λιμπόχοβο, Λεσκοβίκι, Δέλβινο, Παραμυθιά) (..)[Translation:Those areas which, although Albanian-speaking, were directly adjacent to a solid Greek-speaking population (the outskirts of Argyrokastro, Bregoudeti, i.e. the coastal parts of Delvinou province, Fanari, Lakkas, and of course almost all the areas of the Albanian diaspora in southernmost Greece ) were only sporadically affected by the current of Islamization.
In these places the Muslim communities, when they existed, were limited to the compact population of certain cities and towns (Argyrokastro, Limbokhovo, Leskoviki, Delvino, Paramythia)(..)] There are many sources which highlight this aspect of demographics. @ Ktrimi991: can you move your discussion with Khirurg to a new section?-- Maleschreiber ( talk) 00:25, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
I failed verification regarding the passage: "Given its large Greek population, the city was claimed and taken by Greece during the First Balkan War of 1912–1913, following the retreat of the Ottomans from the region."
, which directly confronts with the passage above it, which I could verify: "During the 19th and early 20th century, Albanian speaking Muslims were the majority population of Gjirokastër, while only a few Greek-speaking families lived there."
. Could someone check if the source actually mentions "Given its large Greek population"?
AlexBachmann (
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20:22, 17 September 2023 (UTC)