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This article says that the line "Poor boys shouldn't think of marrying rich girls" appears in the novel The Great Gatsby. I believe it never does; a version of this line appears in the Robert Redford version of the film and also in the DiCaprio version, but never in the novel. Does anyone disagree? If not, I will revise this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabbiscat ( talk • contribs) 03:38, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
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This article contains this passage, seemingly duly sourced:
"Raised in luxury at her family's sprawling estate in the racially segregated White Anglo-Saxon Protestant township of Lake Forest,"
Yet it clashes pretty seriously with the description offered of Lake Forest in the historical section of the article actually about the neighborhood:
/info/en/?search=Lake_Forest,_Illinois
"Lake Forest had an African-American community from very early on in its history, drawn to employment opportunities on the estates and educational institutions. Unlike other communities in the area, Lake Forest had many residents who were associated with the Abolitionist movement. Lake Forest's first mayor and a founder of Lake Forest College, Sylvester Lind, was a major figure on the Underground Railroad, and was known to help escaped slaves settle in Lake Forest. Roxana Beecher, niece of abolitionist Harriet Beecher Stowe, taught integrated school in Lake Forest. A prominent early Lake Forest businessman was Samuel Dent, an escaped slave and Union veteran who ran a livery stable. A local jazz band was named in Dent's memory. Another black entrepreneur was Julian Matthews, who ran a bakery, restaurant, and ice cream parlor with his wife Octavia. The second police officer hired in 1900 in Lake Forest was a black man from Kentucky, Walker Sales, who was hired in 1900 and stayed on for nearly 20 years. Members of this African-American community established the African Methodist Episcopal Church as of 1866, and it stood at what is now the corner of Maplewood and Washington Road. By 1900, another black church, the First Baptist Church of Lake Forest, had opened and is still active. By the 1980s, increased housing prices had encouraged some older black residents to sell their properties lucratively, but others stayed in the community. Lake Forest also had a small community of Jews, typified by wealthy socialites such as Albert Lasker and David Adler ."
That's remarkably liberal for the times, and in one of the most progressive traditions available in the era, let alone for a suburb of the super, super rich WASP gentry of the time. It does go on to note the rich WASPs of the time were worried about other white people, working class from Eastern and Southern Europe, and held prejudiced attitudes toward them regarding alcohol consumption, which is a stereotype once directed at the Irish and other communities. It doesn't add much to the racially segregated thesis, though. It more suggests intra-white national and class bigotry, common then as before and indeed for decades after. Indeed, the class part was easy to find even among WASPs, who also had an underclass of their own to be snobs at.
All in all, it was a jarring contrast for the article on Ginevra King to make a point about Lake Forest and then link directly to an article radically at variance with that point. Random noter ( talk) 03:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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This article says that the line "Poor boys shouldn't think of marrying rich girls" appears in the novel The Great Gatsby. I believe it never does; a version of this line appears in the Robert Redford version of the film and also in the DiCaprio version, but never in the novel. Does anyone disagree? If not, I will revise this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabbiscat ( talk • contribs) 03:38, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
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This article contains this passage, seemingly duly sourced:
"Raised in luxury at her family's sprawling estate in the racially segregated White Anglo-Saxon Protestant township of Lake Forest,"
Yet it clashes pretty seriously with the description offered of Lake Forest in the historical section of the article actually about the neighborhood:
/info/en/?search=Lake_Forest,_Illinois
"Lake Forest had an African-American community from very early on in its history, drawn to employment opportunities on the estates and educational institutions. Unlike other communities in the area, Lake Forest had many residents who were associated with the Abolitionist movement. Lake Forest's first mayor and a founder of Lake Forest College, Sylvester Lind, was a major figure on the Underground Railroad, and was known to help escaped slaves settle in Lake Forest. Roxana Beecher, niece of abolitionist Harriet Beecher Stowe, taught integrated school in Lake Forest. A prominent early Lake Forest businessman was Samuel Dent, an escaped slave and Union veteran who ran a livery stable. A local jazz band was named in Dent's memory. Another black entrepreneur was Julian Matthews, who ran a bakery, restaurant, and ice cream parlor with his wife Octavia. The second police officer hired in 1900 in Lake Forest was a black man from Kentucky, Walker Sales, who was hired in 1900 and stayed on for nearly 20 years. Members of this African-American community established the African Methodist Episcopal Church as of 1866, and it stood at what is now the corner of Maplewood and Washington Road. By 1900, another black church, the First Baptist Church of Lake Forest, had opened and is still active. By the 1980s, increased housing prices had encouraged some older black residents to sell their properties lucratively, but others stayed in the community. Lake Forest also had a small community of Jews, typified by wealthy socialites such as Albert Lasker and David Adler ."
That's remarkably liberal for the times, and in one of the most progressive traditions available in the era, let alone for a suburb of the super, super rich WASP gentry of the time. It does go on to note the rich WASPs of the time were worried about other white people, working class from Eastern and Southern Europe, and held prejudiced attitudes toward them regarding alcohol consumption, which is a stereotype once directed at the Irish and other communities. It doesn't add much to the racially segregated thesis, though. It more suggests intra-white national and class bigotry, common then as before and indeed for decades after. Indeed, the class part was easy to find even among WASPs, who also had an underclass of their own to be snobs at.
All in all, it was a jarring contrast for the article on Ginevra King to make a point about Lake Forest and then link directly to an article radically at variance with that point. Random noter ( talk) 03:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)