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The deletion of content that removed copyvio material has removed material I wrote myself and therefore could not have been a copy vio. What happened?
IFaqeer 01:54, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I believe the verse given is 147.3 from his Divan. A transliteration might be given:
dast gāh-e dīdah-e ḳhūñ bār-e majnūñ dekhna
yek biyābāñ jalvah-e gul farś-e pā andāz hai
Is the translation given copyrighted? It is verbatim to this site [2]. I'm sure anyone with a basic knowledge of Urdu could try to paraphrase, I might, but am afraid of not doing him justice.
A better, though brief, biography is at [ ghalib.org] for future reference. Isn't the translation of ġhālib 'triumphant as well? I'm not sure on this as it probably has much more significance like Hafez, etc. In any case, the Urdu "Shakespeare" is in need of a more comprehensive article. Khirad talk 01:43, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
The last section of the article is very messy, and I suggest we use one poem only and have it arranged in the Original, Transliteration, and Translation subsections. Can anyone provide a poem, its transliteration, and its translation for me to use? (and I will modify the transliteration see Talk:Urdu ) Basawala 20:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
in the article it says
He is considered to be the most dominating poet of the region since Kalidas.
who was kalidas ? any links ?
-- digitalSurgeon 23:48, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Have hyperlinked the reference to Kalidasa. I personally don't think that the comparison with Kalidasa is very appropriate since Kalidasa wrote in Sanskrit and Ghalib wrote in Urdu and Persian but obviously it's the opinion of the person who has written that line.
-- Amit_181 , 3 July 2006
The article has "he wrote several ghazals during his life".
In fact, he wrote a great many ghazals. The word several should be removed.
Well I think that almost all the ghazals of Mirza Ghalib are great. "several" and "many" both should be removed.
-- Fatal Eyes , 23 July 2007
Wikified as part of the Wikification wikiproject! Corrected a few section entries. JubalHarshaw 17:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
What is actual date of birth of Mirza Ghalib 27 December 1796 or 27 December 1797 as both are mentioned in the article. --
Pritam nks
23:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Why K of taKhallus is capital in some places of this article? Is K capitalised to indicate the sound of Urdu letter "khay"? Or is it capitalised by mistake?
Note: {{ WP India}} Project Banner with Delhi workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Delhi or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- Amartyabag TALK2ME 02:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
The section on "Ghalib in fiction" says that the movie on Ghalib made on the Government of Pakistan commission is "regarded a masterpiece", and then claims that apart from a few private viewings, has never been released by the government. I believe that this needs to be clarified: who regards it as a masterpiece if it has never been publicly viewed? Maybe somebody knowledgeable on the subject should confirm whether the film receive sufficient critical appreciation to be regarded a masterpiece, and how this fits in with the fact that it was never publicly released.
203.200.95.130 ( talk) 13:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Touché. This needs to be checked 49.205.243.66 ( talk) 11:47, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
1) Why does the article say "a poet of the Indian subcontinent", and not "a poet of India"? "Indian subcontinent" is a geographical term for a landmass, as described in the corresponding article, and has no connection to the historical entity called India.
2) What on earth does Pakistan have to do with this article? Why is it under WP:Pakistan? -- ReluctantPhilosopher ( talk) 13:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
(unindent) You know what, I haven't actually checked your edit history till you mentioned the above, but the number of edits either of us have made should have no bearing on this discussion, rather the types of edits we have been making. Oh and you are wrong when you think I am trying to have a go at what I consider to be a green-horn - honestly :-)
Yes the History of India article does indeed say this - and I kind of see your point of view - but in *that* article it is made plain what exactly constitutes India. To be honest I had the impression (initially) that you seemed affronted that someone outside of India should or would be influenced by Ghalib. I see now that when you mention India you are referring to the whole area - I still think Indian subcontinent gives a better indication of his influence not just in India (we can tell by reading the article he was born in Agra, India). By the way I could not see where it says "he is considered the first unifier of india". Anyway I have rewritten the lead let me know what you think. Pahari Sahib 13:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Was Ghalib a Sufi poet, as the category indicates? The article nowhere mentions this. -- ReluctantPhilosopher ( talk) 18:15, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Dear Reluctant, I may ask if you kindly read the history of the indian subcontinent and learn the history of ghalib through a well versed urdu literature specialist in any decent university. your questions are interesting but a little research might save you from unintentional confused questions. or I may be wrong and getting an incorrect idea about you. I apologize.
And about Ghalib being the Sufi poet, Yes, his poetry does carry concepts that cleary identify with sufi concepts but he was not a complete sufi poet such as shah abdul latif bhatai or buleh shah. 221.120.233.75 ( talk) 17:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Note for justification of removing some external links. The link
is unrelated and does not shed light on Ghalib. The following link do not have any poetry related to Ghalib.
This link does not work
IrfanAli04 ( talk) 15:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
galib ko sirf rona he ata hai..ugh..krazy man.. —Preceding
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Please provide a passage from the article. I do not have the book, and google books does not read the same as what is in this article. Orthodox Muslim may mean many things, it can, for example, mean Sunni or fundamentalist. I assume it does not mean Wahhabi for this article, but I am concerned the dismissal of Wahhabi due to its not existing when it existed, suggesting other information may have been read incorrectly. Pseudofusulina ( talk) 16:44, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move per request.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 11:44, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Mirza Ghalib → Ghalib – per WP:HONORIFIC. Mirza is an honorofic, the poet is commonly known as Ghalib, and Ghalib already redirects to this article. -- regentspark ( comment) 18:49, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
May I stress that the word الأسد which Ghalib used as one of his pennames is in fact of Arabic origin and not, as indicated, of a Persian one. Albeit the word may be used in literary Persian, the Persian word for lion is شیر. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.217.72.1 ( talk) 16:01, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
The section "Mirza Ghalib and Sir Syed Ahmed Khan" seems to be taken almost verbatim from one of its sources (Shamsur Rahman Faruqi's talk). This probably violates Wikipedia's copying policy.
Also, the translation of a poem offered by Mirza Ghalib as a foreword to Ghalib's book need not be included here in its entirety, because:
Rather than hastily remove the entire section, it would be better if somebody edited it to include a précis of that reference. I have no particular expertise on this topic, nor much time free right now. So please feel free to improve this section if you can. yoyo ( talk) 14:47, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
That means "Adnan Yasin" in Urdu. I don't see how that name is related to Ghalib at all.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:c8:4003:b761:ac60:8ae2:e146:8c4 ( talk • contribs) 01:43, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Can we have the List only of his literary work? Like the filmography of Actors and Actresses. 49.205.243.66 ( talk) 11:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Noting that I agree with Canterbury Tail's recommendation in the discussion and edited by it [3], it made very good sense per WP:CITEVAR. Now, current ref #6 needs improving, if anyone is up to that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 20:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
There's an IP user that's continuously removing a legit scholarly book about Ghalib, entitled, Ghalib aur Alwar, authored by Dr Mushtaq Tijarwi, and published by Ghalib Institute. The IP claims that the book is unreliable and so is its author. I seek a consensus, and till then the article shall remain in its original earlier version. Regards, ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 19:02, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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In 2009, Kader Khan visited Kuwait for the event " Shaam-e-Ghalib" to explain the poems of Mirza Ghalib which is loved and appreciated by the audience around the globe. Mir Zishan ( talk) 07:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
The article suggests that he was born in the Maratha Empire. Our article on Agha where he was born says it was under Maratha control by the late 18th-century. The Mughal Empire was very limited by that time, and it seems Agra was not in any meaningful way under Mughal control at the time of his birth. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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The deletion of content that removed copyvio material has removed material I wrote myself and therefore could not have been a copy vio. What happened?
IFaqeer 01:54, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I believe the verse given is 147.3 from his Divan. A transliteration might be given:
dast gāh-e dīdah-e ḳhūñ bār-e majnūñ dekhna
yek biyābāñ jalvah-e gul farś-e pā andāz hai
Is the translation given copyrighted? It is verbatim to this site [2]. I'm sure anyone with a basic knowledge of Urdu could try to paraphrase, I might, but am afraid of not doing him justice.
A better, though brief, biography is at [ ghalib.org] for future reference. Isn't the translation of ġhālib 'triumphant as well? I'm not sure on this as it probably has much more significance like Hafez, etc. In any case, the Urdu "Shakespeare" is in need of a more comprehensive article. Khirad talk 01:43, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
The last section of the article is very messy, and I suggest we use one poem only and have it arranged in the Original, Transliteration, and Translation subsections. Can anyone provide a poem, its transliteration, and its translation for me to use? (and I will modify the transliteration see Talk:Urdu ) Basawala 20:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
in the article it says
He is considered to be the most dominating poet of the region since Kalidas.
who was kalidas ? any links ?
-- digitalSurgeon 23:48, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Have hyperlinked the reference to Kalidasa. I personally don't think that the comparison with Kalidasa is very appropriate since Kalidasa wrote in Sanskrit and Ghalib wrote in Urdu and Persian but obviously it's the opinion of the person who has written that line.
-- Amit_181 , 3 July 2006
The article has "he wrote several ghazals during his life".
In fact, he wrote a great many ghazals. The word several should be removed.
Well I think that almost all the ghazals of Mirza Ghalib are great. "several" and "many" both should be removed.
-- Fatal Eyes , 23 July 2007
Wikified as part of the Wikification wikiproject! Corrected a few section entries. JubalHarshaw 17:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
What is actual date of birth of Mirza Ghalib 27 December 1796 or 27 December 1797 as both are mentioned in the article. --
Pritam nks
23:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Why K of taKhallus is capital in some places of this article? Is K capitalised to indicate the sound of Urdu letter "khay"? Or is it capitalised by mistake?
Note: {{ WP India}} Project Banner with Delhi workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Delhi or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- Amartyabag TALK2ME 02:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
The section on "Ghalib in fiction" says that the movie on Ghalib made on the Government of Pakistan commission is "regarded a masterpiece", and then claims that apart from a few private viewings, has never been released by the government. I believe that this needs to be clarified: who regards it as a masterpiece if it has never been publicly viewed? Maybe somebody knowledgeable on the subject should confirm whether the film receive sufficient critical appreciation to be regarded a masterpiece, and how this fits in with the fact that it was never publicly released.
203.200.95.130 ( talk) 13:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Touché. This needs to be checked 49.205.243.66 ( talk) 11:47, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
1) Why does the article say "a poet of the Indian subcontinent", and not "a poet of India"? "Indian subcontinent" is a geographical term for a landmass, as described in the corresponding article, and has no connection to the historical entity called India.
2) What on earth does Pakistan have to do with this article? Why is it under WP:Pakistan? -- ReluctantPhilosopher ( talk) 13:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
(unindent) You know what, I haven't actually checked your edit history till you mentioned the above, but the number of edits either of us have made should have no bearing on this discussion, rather the types of edits we have been making. Oh and you are wrong when you think I am trying to have a go at what I consider to be a green-horn - honestly :-)
Yes the History of India article does indeed say this - and I kind of see your point of view - but in *that* article it is made plain what exactly constitutes India. To be honest I had the impression (initially) that you seemed affronted that someone outside of India should or would be influenced by Ghalib. I see now that when you mention India you are referring to the whole area - I still think Indian subcontinent gives a better indication of his influence not just in India (we can tell by reading the article he was born in Agra, India). By the way I could not see where it says "he is considered the first unifier of india". Anyway I have rewritten the lead let me know what you think. Pahari Sahib 13:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Was Ghalib a Sufi poet, as the category indicates? The article nowhere mentions this. -- ReluctantPhilosopher ( talk) 18:15, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Dear Reluctant, I may ask if you kindly read the history of the indian subcontinent and learn the history of ghalib through a well versed urdu literature specialist in any decent university. your questions are interesting but a little research might save you from unintentional confused questions. or I may be wrong and getting an incorrect idea about you. I apologize.
And about Ghalib being the Sufi poet, Yes, his poetry does carry concepts that cleary identify with sufi concepts but he was not a complete sufi poet such as shah abdul latif bhatai or buleh shah. 221.120.233.75 ( talk) 17:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Note for justification of removing some external links. The link
is unrelated and does not shed light on Ghalib. The following link do not have any poetry related to Ghalib.
This link does not work
IrfanAli04 ( talk) 15:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
galib ko sirf rona he ata hai..ugh..krazy man.. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
115.167.103.87 (
talk)
09:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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File:Mirza Ghalib.jpg, has been nominated for deletion at
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Please provide a passage from the article. I do not have the book, and google books does not read the same as what is in this article. Orthodox Muslim may mean many things, it can, for example, mean Sunni or fundamentalist. I assume it does not mean Wahhabi for this article, but I am concerned the dismissal of Wahhabi due to its not existing when it existed, suggesting other information may have been read incorrectly. Pseudofusulina ( talk) 16:44, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move per request.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 11:44, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Mirza Ghalib → Ghalib – per WP:HONORIFIC. Mirza is an honorofic, the poet is commonly known as Ghalib, and Ghalib already redirects to this article. -- regentspark ( comment) 18:49, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
May I stress that the word الأسد which Ghalib used as one of his pennames is in fact of Arabic origin and not, as indicated, of a Persian one. Albeit the word may be used in literary Persian, the Persian word for lion is شیر. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.217.72.1 ( talk) 16:01, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
The section "Mirza Ghalib and Sir Syed Ahmed Khan" seems to be taken almost verbatim from one of its sources (Shamsur Rahman Faruqi's talk). This probably violates Wikipedia's copying policy.
Also, the translation of a poem offered by Mirza Ghalib as a foreword to Ghalib's book need not be included here in its entirety, because:
Rather than hastily remove the entire section, it would be better if somebody edited it to include a précis of that reference. I have no particular expertise on this topic, nor much time free right now. So please feel free to improve this section if you can. yoyo ( talk) 14:47, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
That means "Adnan Yasin" in Urdu. I don't see how that name is related to Ghalib at all.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:c8:4003:b761:ac60:8ae2:e146:8c4 ( talk • contribs) 01:43, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Can we have the List only of his literary work? Like the filmography of Actors and Actresses. 49.205.243.66 ( talk) 11:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Noting that I agree with Canterbury Tail's recommendation in the discussion and edited by it [3], it made very good sense per WP:CITEVAR. Now, current ref #6 needs improving, if anyone is up to that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 20:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
There's an IP user that's continuously removing a legit scholarly book about Ghalib, entitled, Ghalib aur Alwar, authored by Dr Mushtaq Tijarwi, and published by Ghalib Institute. The IP claims that the book is unreliable and so is its author. I seek a consensus, and till then the article shall remain in its original earlier version. Regards, ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 19:02, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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In 2009, Kader Khan visited Kuwait for the event " Shaam-e-Ghalib" to explain the poems of Mirza Ghalib which is loved and appreciated by the audience around the globe. Mir Zishan ( talk) 07:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
The article suggests that he was born in the Maratha Empire. Our article on Agha where he was born says it was under Maratha control by the late 18th-century. The Mughal Empire was very limited by that time, and it seems Agra was not in any meaningful way under Mughal control at the time of his birth. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)