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how about "temporary diaphram paralysis"?-- 67.50.233.113 18:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
What about "Getting Winded"? It is more concise than the current title. -- Eneufeld 18:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
To me "getting winded" means getting tired from strenuous exercise, and I've heard a doctor use the phrase as a description for a mild asthma. I don't think that phrase should appear in this article at all. LockeShocke 03:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Just a thought, but if we change the title no one will be able to find the article, as no one knows what the phenomenon is called. "Getting the wind knocked out of you" is the exact thing I searched for, word for word. DevinOfGreatness 03:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
people search the term on Google and find this page. unless you know of a scientific term for it, this is the best title available. Snitch ninja ( talk) 01:01, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Merge. with re-direct from Getting Winded. (possible a disambig from Winding)? It stops this being a stub. Mdcollins1984 13:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
The discussion up to this point about the title of this article took place at Talk:User Account Control#Merge in Run as administrator. No source has been given that "diaphragm spasm" is the correct term for this concept, and Reswobslc himself (or herself) stated that they made up the term. — Remember the dot ( t) 05:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Reswobslc requested the speedy deletion of Diaphragm spasm in order to place this article under that title again. — Remember the dot ( t) 06:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
So getting the wind knocked out of you is an example of a diaphragm spasm, but a diaphragm spasm does not necessarily mean you've had the wind knocked out of you. This source talks about diaphragm spasms in relation to side stitches.
I wish we had a doctor who could tell us the authoritative answer... — Remember the dot ( t) 06:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Look, why not just turn the page into a disambiguation page, and link to both this page and Hiccup? (Or any other medical conditions that result in spasms?) -- RoninBK T C 11:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Yikes, I had to cringe when I wandered onto this page! Even if there's not an appropriate medical term, can we please get the "you" removed from the title? I think we should hold Wikipedia at least to the standards of seventh-grade English. "Having the wind knocked out of oneself," or something like that? It may sound kind of stodgy, but the "you" in this context is just not acceptible in formal writing of any kind. Of course, a redirect could remain for anyone who happened to type it in that way... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.208.120.38 ( talk) 23:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
The title refers to the idiom. Changing the idiom to sound more formal will only stop people from finding it. Snitch ninja ( talk) 01:04, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
How long do they last, on average or at an extreme?
70.248.20.165 ( talk) 06:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Unconscious?
When I watch the movie and see the scene of someone getting wind knocked out heavily, the subject fall down unconscious instead of trying to breath heavily. While I know in the movie people are usually and easily knocked unconscious but I still wonder if a hit on upper stomach can cause unconscious, because, I ever got wind knocked out, I know the feeling, that a sudden sock makes me think I am getting unconscious soon (while in fact I recovered pretty quickly). I want to know if this is only a feeling or it physically can make person unconscious like a hit on the head. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.116.125.113 ( talk) 03:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
It shouldn't cause unconsciousness, but I guess it depends on how strong the impact is. I can't see a punch being capable of this though. I've been hit in that part of the stomach plenty of times and whilst it is extremely unpleasant my breathing has always returned to normal inside of twenty seconds. The article does mention that it can cause anxiety though, presumably due to momentary fear of suffocation. Anxiety can easily cause unconsciousness through it's physical side effects, if the feeling of panic is strong enough. That may have been what you felt, and if it is then it's nothing to worry about.--
94.171.184.82 (
talk)
01:48, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
it's also perceived that having the wind knocked out of you is due to exhalation of your RV (residual volume). this causes some of the alveoli to close, creating negative transpulmonary pressure in certain parts of the lung. making initiation of opening the alveoli difficult. normal lung fxn always has positive transpulm. pressure.
i can't find much citation on it, but here's an online book that briefly mentions it and the diaphragm spasm theory. http://books.google.com/books?id=LBLwDtx2_qcC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=why+is+it+hard+to+breathe+wind+knocked+out+of+you+alveoli&source=bl&ots=SYdQ-iO544&sig=7p1SAdVZRhGFFFchz9adxc6vz8E&hl=en&ei=6868SeXpCIG0sAPHuMQs&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.4.235.17 ( talk) 09:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like something you'd see on everything2.com. Roastporkbun ( talk) 17:53, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
The word "you" should not be in an encyclopedic article title in this context. Generic you is too casual. 174.116.51.41 ( talk) 01:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
The page is about the idiom, so unless there's a scientific term for the phenomenon the title seems ok Snitch ninja ( talk) 00:59, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page not moved per discussion below. As noted, the suggested title does not match the topic of this article. It might be appropriate to create an article about diaphragmatic spasms, and then merge this one into that one. - GTBacchus( talk) 06:14, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Getting the wind knocked out of you →
Diaphragmatic spasm — The current title is completely unsuitable for an encyclopedia article, as evidenced by the discussions on this page. Per
WP:MOSMED#Naming conventions, the correct title should be the scientific or recognised medical name. I'm seeking consensus here for a change of title to
Diaphragmatic spasm, but others may be able to supply a better alternative. All comments welcome. --
RexxS (
talk)
22:13, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
The reference to MacAuley, Oxford Handbook of Sport and Exercise Medicine, states: "The Winded Athlete. A blow to the solar plexus, with abdominal muscles relaxed, leaves the athlete temporarily unable to breathe."
I am not able to view the second reference (Furuya, "Neurogenic shock caused by striking on epigastrium"). However neurogenic shock has a specific medical meaning, quite distinct from the injury described in this article. Axl ¤ [Talk] 09:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the unreferenced text. I have provided it below in case anyone is able to justify all or part of with reliable sources. Axl ¤ [Talk] 17:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
It can also occur from a strong blow to the back.
When the abdomen is struck, a large difference in pressure occurs across the diaphragm. The diaphragm then stretches, which also stretches the diaphragm's nerves. The resulting mechanical force puts the diaphragm into a muscle spasm, comparable to having a charley horse in the leg. It takes a few seconds for the diaphragm to relax again before breathing can resume normally. Martial artists are often taught to breathe out heavily when struck in the stomach, to minimize this effect. Another method is to use the vocal cords to "groan" while breathing out, which can help one get to breathing normally faster.
Often, the laryngeal muscles contract during diaphragm spasm producing an inspiratory sound known as stridor which can be heard for several cycles as breathing resumes.
Singultus, commonly known as the hiccups, is also a form of diaphragm spasm, although much milder. A singultus episode impairs voluntary breathing control for brief moments (measured in milliseconds) rather than for several seconds.
It may also be referred to as rat gut, getting winded or just winded (though the latter two often refer to mere exercise-induced fatigue).
Worked for me, at least. I was curious what this condition was, so I Googled "wind knocked out", but the phrase in my head has always been "wind knocked out of you". Article doesn't say much, but I guess it doesn't really need to, at this point. Now I know what's going on; have been curious since I was little! – Kerαunoςcopia◁ gala xies 07:31, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Andrewa ( talk) 22:06, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Getting the wind knocked out of you →
Blunt trauma to the solar plexus – Per my above comment, but considering I did not know about
WP:MOSMED#Naming conventions. Other variants could include "Blow" instead of "Blunt trauma" (per
this above comment), or "
celiac plexus" instead of "solar plexus".
DrewMek (
talk)
16:42, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
'Lock' in this case is not exactly scientific, but it shows that wind-knocking of humans causes the diaphragm to lock for seconds, even minutes. When you breathe water, you WILL choke and die. I nearly died one time in a swimming accident where I was absolutely nuts not to surface and breathe. Well, I could not surface in time and I inhaled water. Just a tidbit from JJhashisreasons ( talk) 00:04, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
Don't think the pain gets over in 1-2 mins in a lot of cases. 2600:6C40:287F:55FE:ACB4:9866:C16C:A478 ( talk) 02:40, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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how about "temporary diaphram paralysis"?-- 67.50.233.113 18:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
What about "Getting Winded"? It is more concise than the current title. -- Eneufeld 18:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
To me "getting winded" means getting tired from strenuous exercise, and I've heard a doctor use the phrase as a description for a mild asthma. I don't think that phrase should appear in this article at all. LockeShocke 03:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Just a thought, but if we change the title no one will be able to find the article, as no one knows what the phenomenon is called. "Getting the wind knocked out of you" is the exact thing I searched for, word for word. DevinOfGreatness 03:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
people search the term on Google and find this page. unless you know of a scientific term for it, this is the best title available. Snitch ninja ( talk) 01:01, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Merge. with re-direct from Getting Winded. (possible a disambig from Winding)? It stops this being a stub. Mdcollins1984 13:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
The discussion up to this point about the title of this article took place at Talk:User Account Control#Merge in Run as administrator. No source has been given that "diaphragm spasm" is the correct term for this concept, and Reswobslc himself (or herself) stated that they made up the term. — Remember the dot ( t) 05:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Reswobslc requested the speedy deletion of Diaphragm spasm in order to place this article under that title again. — Remember the dot ( t) 06:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
So getting the wind knocked out of you is an example of a diaphragm spasm, but a diaphragm spasm does not necessarily mean you've had the wind knocked out of you. This source talks about diaphragm spasms in relation to side stitches.
I wish we had a doctor who could tell us the authoritative answer... — Remember the dot ( t) 06:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Look, why not just turn the page into a disambiguation page, and link to both this page and Hiccup? (Or any other medical conditions that result in spasms?) -- RoninBK T C 11:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Yikes, I had to cringe when I wandered onto this page! Even if there's not an appropriate medical term, can we please get the "you" removed from the title? I think we should hold Wikipedia at least to the standards of seventh-grade English. "Having the wind knocked out of oneself," or something like that? It may sound kind of stodgy, but the "you" in this context is just not acceptible in formal writing of any kind. Of course, a redirect could remain for anyone who happened to type it in that way... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.208.120.38 ( talk) 23:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
The title refers to the idiom. Changing the idiom to sound more formal will only stop people from finding it. Snitch ninja ( talk) 01:04, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
How long do they last, on average or at an extreme?
70.248.20.165 ( talk) 06:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Unconscious?
When I watch the movie and see the scene of someone getting wind knocked out heavily, the subject fall down unconscious instead of trying to breath heavily. While I know in the movie people are usually and easily knocked unconscious but I still wonder if a hit on upper stomach can cause unconscious, because, I ever got wind knocked out, I know the feeling, that a sudden sock makes me think I am getting unconscious soon (while in fact I recovered pretty quickly). I want to know if this is only a feeling or it physically can make person unconscious like a hit on the head. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.116.125.113 ( talk) 03:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
It shouldn't cause unconsciousness, but I guess it depends on how strong the impact is. I can't see a punch being capable of this though. I've been hit in that part of the stomach plenty of times and whilst it is extremely unpleasant my breathing has always returned to normal inside of twenty seconds. The article does mention that it can cause anxiety though, presumably due to momentary fear of suffocation. Anxiety can easily cause unconsciousness through it's physical side effects, if the feeling of panic is strong enough. That may have been what you felt, and if it is then it's nothing to worry about.--
94.171.184.82 (
talk)
01:48, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
it's also perceived that having the wind knocked out of you is due to exhalation of your RV (residual volume). this causes some of the alveoli to close, creating negative transpulmonary pressure in certain parts of the lung. making initiation of opening the alveoli difficult. normal lung fxn always has positive transpulm. pressure.
i can't find much citation on it, but here's an online book that briefly mentions it and the diaphragm spasm theory. http://books.google.com/books?id=LBLwDtx2_qcC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=why+is+it+hard+to+breathe+wind+knocked+out+of+you+alveoli&source=bl&ots=SYdQ-iO544&sig=7p1SAdVZRhGFFFchz9adxc6vz8E&hl=en&ei=6868SeXpCIG0sAPHuMQs&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.4.235.17 ( talk) 09:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like something you'd see on everything2.com. Roastporkbun ( talk) 17:53, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
The word "you" should not be in an encyclopedic article title in this context. Generic you is too casual. 174.116.51.41 ( talk) 01:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
The page is about the idiom, so unless there's a scientific term for the phenomenon the title seems ok Snitch ninja ( talk) 00:59, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page not moved per discussion below. As noted, the suggested title does not match the topic of this article. It might be appropriate to create an article about diaphragmatic spasms, and then merge this one into that one. - GTBacchus( talk) 06:14, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Getting the wind knocked out of you →
Diaphragmatic spasm — The current title is completely unsuitable for an encyclopedia article, as evidenced by the discussions on this page. Per
WP:MOSMED#Naming conventions, the correct title should be the scientific or recognised medical name. I'm seeking consensus here for a change of title to
Diaphragmatic spasm, but others may be able to supply a better alternative. All comments welcome. --
RexxS (
talk)
22:13, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
The reference to MacAuley, Oxford Handbook of Sport and Exercise Medicine, states: "The Winded Athlete. A blow to the solar plexus, with abdominal muscles relaxed, leaves the athlete temporarily unable to breathe."
I am not able to view the second reference (Furuya, "Neurogenic shock caused by striking on epigastrium"). However neurogenic shock has a specific medical meaning, quite distinct from the injury described in this article. Axl ¤ [Talk] 09:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the unreferenced text. I have provided it below in case anyone is able to justify all or part of with reliable sources. Axl ¤ [Talk] 17:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
It can also occur from a strong blow to the back.
When the abdomen is struck, a large difference in pressure occurs across the diaphragm. The diaphragm then stretches, which also stretches the diaphragm's nerves. The resulting mechanical force puts the diaphragm into a muscle spasm, comparable to having a charley horse in the leg. It takes a few seconds for the diaphragm to relax again before breathing can resume normally. Martial artists are often taught to breathe out heavily when struck in the stomach, to minimize this effect. Another method is to use the vocal cords to "groan" while breathing out, which can help one get to breathing normally faster.
Often, the laryngeal muscles contract during diaphragm spasm producing an inspiratory sound known as stridor which can be heard for several cycles as breathing resumes.
Singultus, commonly known as the hiccups, is also a form of diaphragm spasm, although much milder. A singultus episode impairs voluntary breathing control for brief moments (measured in milliseconds) rather than for several seconds.
It may also be referred to as rat gut, getting winded or just winded (though the latter two often refer to mere exercise-induced fatigue).
Worked for me, at least. I was curious what this condition was, so I Googled "wind knocked out", but the phrase in my head has always been "wind knocked out of you". Article doesn't say much, but I guess it doesn't really need to, at this point. Now I know what's going on; have been curious since I was little! – Kerαunoςcopia◁ gala xies 07:31, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Andrewa ( talk) 22:06, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Getting the wind knocked out of you →
Blunt trauma to the solar plexus – Per my above comment, but considering I did not know about
WP:MOSMED#Naming conventions. Other variants could include "Blow" instead of "Blunt trauma" (per
this above comment), or "
celiac plexus" instead of "solar plexus".
DrewMek (
talk)
16:42, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
'Lock' in this case is not exactly scientific, but it shows that wind-knocking of humans causes the diaphragm to lock for seconds, even minutes. When you breathe water, you WILL choke and die. I nearly died one time in a swimming accident where I was absolutely nuts not to surface and breathe. Well, I could not surface in time and I inhaled water. Just a tidbit from JJhashisreasons ( talk) 00:04, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
Don't think the pain gets over in 1-2 mins in a lot of cases. 2600:6C40:287F:55FE:ACB4:9866:C16C:A478 ( talk) 02:40, 24 April 2022 (UTC)