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The intertitled version of Gertie has the dinosaur catch a pumpkin. This is also what Leonard Maltin claims the Vaudeville version was like in his book Of Mice and Magic. The wiki article lists the fruit as an apple. Now, the fruit itself (onscreen version) is not very detailed and could be anything, so there would be nothing stopping McCay from throwing Gertie whatever he had handy at the individual acts. But since this is the first time I've heard anything other than the fruit being a pumpkin, I'm wondering if somebody got the facts wrong. Anybody got some light to shed? Pjalne 19:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
"Gertie" is credited as the first ever film cartoon. Trekphiler 21:06, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Since this film is in the public domain, is it available for download anywhere? Thanks -- 136.159.71.113 19:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Here [1]
I have read (but do not recall where) that Winsor McKay's son met Walt Disney several years after his father died. The son was awed to meet Walt. However, Walt told him that "everything I have done I owe to your father". And this is one of the reasons that Gertie is in the Disney Hollywood Studios in Florida.
Also, I have seen some original Gertie drawing in the (now closed) Museum of Animation Art in Washington, DC.
Cheshire Figment ( talk) 02:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Khazar2 ( talk · contribs) 14:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Hey Curly, I'll be glad to take this one. Comments in the next 1-3 days. -- Khazar2 ( talk) 14:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Since this article is excellent on first pass, you get mostly stream-of-consciousness thoughts instead:
An actual action point:
Overall this seems comprehensive and terrifically written; you do a particularly good job of explaining the importance of the film's legacy to American animation. This seems ready for FAC, much less GA.
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6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | File:Gertie.jpg needs a US PD tag. All others appear fine. | |
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Hi Curly, you may be interested in the following PD works:
Someone uploaded a much higher-quality version of Gertie to YouTube. I downloaded it using youtube-dl, and after stripping the audio track, the file came to 91.9MB. After converting it to .ogv, the filesize was 429.8MB, way too large to upload to Commons. I'm not confident enough in my understanding of video to fiddle with it. Does anyone else want to give it a try? Curly Turkey ( gobble) 04:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) Vpab15 ( talk) 22:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Gertie the Dinosaur →
Gertie (film) – After some research that I've done for the Wikisource entry of this film, I have determined that the contemporary title of this film was actually Gertie, not Gertie the Dinosaur. Winsor McCay never apparently used the name Gertie the Dinosaur to refer to this film, and in the video we ourselves have the title given is "GERTIE".
A search of Google Books for the keywords "Gertie the Dinosaur" before 1921 comes up with nothing. On top of that, the Motion Pictures, 1912-1939 copyright catalog lists,
on page 296, a 1914 film called Gertie made by Winsor McCay, which for some reason is listed as an unpublished work, while the next 4 Gertie films listed are listed as published ones. So why has the title of this article been Gertie the Dinosaur for so long, even after the article has been reviewed to the level of it gaining the Featured article status? Is this some kind of mistake of history, for the name of this film to have been misattributed by so many sources including us?
(If anyone can find substantial evidence that contemporary sources did more often refer to this film as Gertie the Dinosaur, though, I'm willing to be disproven.) PseudoSkull ( talk) 18:17, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
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The intertitled version of Gertie has the dinosaur catch a pumpkin. This is also what Leonard Maltin claims the Vaudeville version was like in his book Of Mice and Magic. The wiki article lists the fruit as an apple. Now, the fruit itself (onscreen version) is not very detailed and could be anything, so there would be nothing stopping McCay from throwing Gertie whatever he had handy at the individual acts. But since this is the first time I've heard anything other than the fruit being a pumpkin, I'm wondering if somebody got the facts wrong. Anybody got some light to shed? Pjalne 19:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
"Gertie" is credited as the first ever film cartoon. Trekphiler 21:06, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Since this film is in the public domain, is it available for download anywhere? Thanks -- 136.159.71.113 19:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Here [1]
I have read (but do not recall where) that Winsor McKay's son met Walt Disney several years after his father died. The son was awed to meet Walt. However, Walt told him that "everything I have done I owe to your father". And this is one of the reasons that Gertie is in the Disney Hollywood Studios in Florida.
Also, I have seen some original Gertie drawing in the (now closed) Museum of Animation Art in Washington, DC.
Cheshire Figment ( talk) 02:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Khazar2 ( talk · contribs) 14:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Hey Curly, I'll be glad to take this one. Comments in the next 1-3 days. -- Khazar2 ( talk) 14:52, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Since this article is excellent on first pass, you get mostly stream-of-consciousness thoughts instead:
An actual action point:
Overall this seems comprehensive and terrifically written; you do a particularly good job of explaining the importance of the film's legacy to American animation. This seems ready for FAC, much less GA.
Rate | Attribute | Review Comment |
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1. Well-written: | ||
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | ||
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | ||
2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | ||
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | ||
2c. it contains no original research. | ||
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | ||
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | ||
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | ||
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | ||
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | File:Gertie.jpg needs a US PD tag. All others appear fine. | |
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | ||
7. Overall assessment. |
Hi Curly, you may be interested in the following PD works:
Someone uploaded a much higher-quality version of Gertie to YouTube. I downloaded it using youtube-dl, and after stripping the audio track, the file came to 91.9MB. After converting it to .ogv, the filesize was 429.8MB, way too large to upload to Commons. I'm not confident enough in my understanding of video to fiddle with it. Does anyone else want to give it a try? Curly Turkey ( gobble) 04:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) Vpab15 ( talk) 22:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Gertie the Dinosaur →
Gertie (film) – After some research that I've done for the Wikisource entry of this film, I have determined that the contemporary title of this film was actually Gertie, not Gertie the Dinosaur. Winsor McCay never apparently used the name Gertie the Dinosaur to refer to this film, and in the video we ourselves have the title given is "GERTIE".
A search of Google Books for the keywords "Gertie the Dinosaur" before 1921 comes up with nothing. On top of that, the Motion Pictures, 1912-1939 copyright catalog lists,
on page 296, a 1914 film called Gertie made by Winsor McCay, which for some reason is listed as an unpublished work, while the next 4 Gertie films listed are listed as published ones. So why has the title of this article been Gertie the Dinosaur for so long, even after the article has been reviewed to the level of it gaining the Featured article status? Is this some kind of mistake of history, for the name of this film to have been misattributed by so many sources including us?
(If anyone can find substantial evidence that contemporary sources did more often refer to this film as Gertie the Dinosaur, though, I'm willing to be disproven.) PseudoSkull ( talk) 18:17, 29 January 2021 (UTC)