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I expected some link to Succession of states i this context, but there isn't. Could you work one in? -- Error ( talk) 14:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Northern East Prussia (plus other nearby areas) became part of Germany in 1871, when the country of Germany was born. There was a German university in the largest city, and a famous German philosopher who was from that area. Immanuel Kant was born in 1724 in that city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.243.123 ( talk) 07:48, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi everyone, the section "Reunified Berlin from an urban planning perspective" is rather unrelated to this larger field of the German reunification. It shouldn't have a place in this article, while of course it can be linked. Should it get an own article, or integrated into something like Urban planning in Berlin (compare Urban planning in Singapore)? Cheers Horst-schlaemma ( talk) 12:15, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
The following is ambiguous:
A poll of four countries in January 1990 found that a majority of surveyed Americans and French supported reunification, while British and Poles were more divided. 69% of Poles and 50% of French and British stated that they worried about a reunified Germany becoming "the dominant power in Europe".
"A majority of Americans and French" and "50% of French and British" surely contradict oneanother? -- Fursday 00:03, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
I don´t why some guy named Dennis has deleted the following:
Ireland´s Taoiseach, Charles Haughey supported German Reunification and he took advantage of Ireland´s presidency of the European Economic Community by calling for an extraordinary European summit for Dublin in April 1990 to calm fears held by fellow members of the EEC. ( See here and here and here and here) Haughey saw similarities between Ireland and Germany and cited during a debate in the Dáil "I have expressed a personal view that coming as we do from a country which is also divided many of would have sympathy with any wish of the people of the two German States for unification".( see here)
This seems to be an important subject, the article as it is seems to indicate no-one in Europe supported German Unification when in fact there were and since Ireland held the Presidency of the EEC, then all the more reason why it should be there. I have even provided the relevant documents supporting it, which are from valid sources, such as the EU and included a pdf as seen here
http://aei.pitt.edu/1397/1/Dublin_april_1990.pdf http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_DOC-90-1_en.htm?locale=en http://www.irishtimes.com/news/germany-will-never-forget-ireland-s-help-1.658399 http://ec.europa.eu/ireland/how_the_eu_works/presidency/index_en.htm http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/1989/12/13/00007.asp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:2580:2480:2841:5D8F:2E52:6B59 ( talk) 18:56, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Under Process of reunification --> international effects paragraph two, the article mentions "Article 23 was rewritten and it can still be understood as an invitation to others (e.g. Austria) to join,". Considering that Article 23 is now the 'Europa-Artikel' and that I can find no reference for this piece of information, how can this be true? Hentheden ( talk) 15:25, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Austria is not invited to join. Vienna Congress and the promise od diveided powers, no Großdeutsches Reich and so on... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.212.27.183 ( talk) 16:03, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi - I am new to wikipedia and am preparing to add integral information about the Welfare System in section 3.2. This is a test. DanishKringle ( talk) 22:19, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Although the name of the event in German is interesting, as this is an encyclopaedia in English it would be more pertinent to discuss the usage in English both during the process and common usage today. By this I mean did the English language press or diplomats from the English speaking countries ever call it unification rather than unification and if so who decided what. -- PBS ( talk) 08:37, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
More like because of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.55.54.42 ( talk) 21:12, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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Hi all, I intend to add some information to the "Aftermath" section of the article, specifically under "Views and Life Satisfaction." I came across the paper, "The Economic Impact of Social Ties: Evidence from German Reunification," by Konrad B. Burchardi and Tarek A. Hassan and I think their information regarding economic outcomes in Germany post-reunification would help further contextualize the importance of the event. Presently, the section discusses survey results about whether Germans viewed the reunification as positive or negative, and I think that adding information about how people benefitted economically would help emphasize the positive impact of the event. Specifically, I would include Burchardi and Hassan's finding that households and entrepreneurs with social ties to Eastern Germany saw significant increases in their incomes after reunification as compared to those without such connections. All in all, I'll be adding about 200 or so words, likely around 5-10 sentences. If anyone would like to discuss these potential changes, feel free to let me know on this talk page or on my talk page. Braedenlueken ( talk) 07:03, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Remarkable, isn´t it, how the lede was buried. Has this been added and deleted in the past, or was I the first to contribute this a few minutes ago?
The West German government of Konrad Adenauer rejected proposals following the 1952 Stalin note to reunify under terms of neutrality. The government instead pursued a policy of West German rearmament, while ending the process of denazification and declaring an amnesty. This lead to the 1952 establishment of the European Defense Community, and West Germany joined NATO in 1955.
Have a nice day. Jaredscribe ( talk) 03:29, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
In para 3 is "....a full peace treaty concluding World War II for Germany was planned via its–including the exact delimitation of Germany's post-war boundary,....
. Has something gone missing?
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Under Effects > International Effects, it is stated "The practical result of that model is that the now-expanded Federal Republic of Germany inherited the old West Germany's seats at the UN, NATO, the European Communities, and other international organizations."
However, prior in the article, it is stressed that the Federal Republic of Germany is the same legal personality as West Germany was from its formation, and that "German Reunification" was the accession of East Germany as several states to the existing Federal Republic of Germany. The wording choice of "inherited the old West Germany's seats" heavily implies a successor state, such as the Russian Federation succeeding the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
I suggest that the wording here and overall tone of this section be brought more in line with the legal principles of German reunification. Maabonnet ( talk) 19:55, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
There remain considerable differences between social leanings of people in the former East and West Germanies. A discussion of these differences and others may be warranted in this section. See specifically Irreligion in Germany, and the East-West divide there. Maabonnet ( talk) 20:05, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
I added the following text, which was later removed by @ Nillurcheier (please reply with your concerns):
Some people have stated that the reunification can be classified as an annexation of the GDR by the BRD. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Scholar Ned Richardson-Little from the University of Erfurt noted that the terminology of an annexation can be interpreted from backgrounds across the political spectrum. [8] In 2015, A Russian proposal was made that classified it as an annexation. Mikhail Gorbachev named it 'nonsense'. [9] [10] PhotographyEdits ( talk) 08:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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Change "but under communist regime" to "but under a communist regime" Kevinishere15 ( talk) 03:02, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
This section seems to be given WP:UNDUE weight for its comparative lack of popular support. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 00:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Nonetheless, the primary reason that the majority of Saarlanders voted as they did in 1955 was neither to express their approval for joining West Germany nor to voice their displeasure with Hoffmann’s government. Rather, Saarlanders rejected the European statute because they saw it as a ploy for continued French control of their territory. In the final analysis, France’s image in the Saar went from benevolent partner in 1947 to untrustworthy imperialistic power in 1955. Not only were the assumptions of France’s occupation backwardlooking, but the French were never able to move beyond their role as occupiers to that of true partners.
— Long, Bronson. No Easy Occupation: French Control of the German Saar, 1944-1957 (p. 237). Boydell & Brewer, 2015.
Throughout the entire Cold War and until 1990, reunification did not appear likely, and the existence of two German countries was commonly regarded as an established, unalterable fact.give the wrong impression in this context. The source here seems to imply a notion of opposition, but doesn't actually say anything about opposition as such. JackTheSecond ( talk) 20:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
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I expected some link to Succession of states i this context, but there isn't. Could you work one in? -- Error ( talk) 14:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Northern East Prussia (plus other nearby areas) became part of Germany in 1871, when the country of Germany was born. There was a German university in the largest city, and a famous German philosopher who was from that area. Immanuel Kant was born in 1724 in that city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.243.123 ( talk) 07:48, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi everyone, the section "Reunified Berlin from an urban planning perspective" is rather unrelated to this larger field of the German reunification. It shouldn't have a place in this article, while of course it can be linked. Should it get an own article, or integrated into something like Urban planning in Berlin (compare Urban planning in Singapore)? Cheers Horst-schlaemma ( talk) 12:15, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
The following is ambiguous:
A poll of four countries in January 1990 found that a majority of surveyed Americans and French supported reunification, while British and Poles were more divided. 69% of Poles and 50% of French and British stated that they worried about a reunified Germany becoming "the dominant power in Europe".
"A majority of Americans and French" and "50% of French and British" surely contradict oneanother? -- Fursday 00:03, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
I don´t why some guy named Dennis has deleted the following:
Ireland´s Taoiseach, Charles Haughey supported German Reunification and he took advantage of Ireland´s presidency of the European Economic Community by calling for an extraordinary European summit for Dublin in April 1990 to calm fears held by fellow members of the EEC. ( See here and here and here and here) Haughey saw similarities between Ireland and Germany and cited during a debate in the Dáil "I have expressed a personal view that coming as we do from a country which is also divided many of would have sympathy with any wish of the people of the two German States for unification".( see here)
This seems to be an important subject, the article as it is seems to indicate no-one in Europe supported German Unification when in fact there were and since Ireland held the Presidency of the EEC, then all the more reason why it should be there. I have even provided the relevant documents supporting it, which are from valid sources, such as the EU and included a pdf as seen here
http://aei.pitt.edu/1397/1/Dublin_april_1990.pdf http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_DOC-90-1_en.htm?locale=en http://www.irishtimes.com/news/germany-will-never-forget-ireland-s-help-1.658399 http://ec.europa.eu/ireland/how_the_eu_works/presidency/index_en.htm http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/1989/12/13/00007.asp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:2580:2480:2841:5D8F:2E52:6B59 ( talk) 18:56, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Under Process of reunification --> international effects paragraph two, the article mentions "Article 23 was rewritten and it can still be understood as an invitation to others (e.g. Austria) to join,". Considering that Article 23 is now the 'Europa-Artikel' and that I can find no reference for this piece of information, how can this be true? Hentheden ( talk) 15:25, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Austria is not invited to join. Vienna Congress and the promise od diveided powers, no Großdeutsches Reich and so on... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.212.27.183 ( talk) 16:03, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi - I am new to wikipedia and am preparing to add integral information about the Welfare System in section 3.2. This is a test. DanishKringle ( talk) 22:19, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Although the name of the event in German is interesting, as this is an encyclopaedia in English it would be more pertinent to discuss the usage in English both during the process and common usage today. By this I mean did the English language press or diplomats from the English speaking countries ever call it unification rather than unification and if so who decided what. -- PBS ( talk) 08:37, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
More like because of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.55.54.42 ( talk) 21:12, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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Hi all, I intend to add some information to the "Aftermath" section of the article, specifically under "Views and Life Satisfaction." I came across the paper, "The Economic Impact of Social Ties: Evidence from German Reunification," by Konrad B. Burchardi and Tarek A. Hassan and I think their information regarding economic outcomes in Germany post-reunification would help further contextualize the importance of the event. Presently, the section discusses survey results about whether Germans viewed the reunification as positive or negative, and I think that adding information about how people benefitted economically would help emphasize the positive impact of the event. Specifically, I would include Burchardi and Hassan's finding that households and entrepreneurs with social ties to Eastern Germany saw significant increases in their incomes after reunification as compared to those without such connections. All in all, I'll be adding about 200 or so words, likely around 5-10 sentences. If anyone would like to discuss these potential changes, feel free to let me know on this talk page or on my talk page. Braedenlueken ( talk) 07:03, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Remarkable, isn´t it, how the lede was buried. Has this been added and deleted in the past, or was I the first to contribute this a few minutes ago?
The West German government of Konrad Adenauer rejected proposals following the 1952 Stalin note to reunify under terms of neutrality. The government instead pursued a policy of West German rearmament, while ending the process of denazification and declaring an amnesty. This lead to the 1952 establishment of the European Defense Community, and West Germany joined NATO in 1955.
Have a nice day. Jaredscribe ( talk) 03:29, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
In para 3 is "....a full peace treaty concluding World War II for Germany was planned via its–including the exact delimitation of Germany's post-war boundary,....
. Has something gone missing?
Davidships (
talk) 01:27, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Under Effects > International Effects, it is stated "The practical result of that model is that the now-expanded Federal Republic of Germany inherited the old West Germany's seats at the UN, NATO, the European Communities, and other international organizations."
However, prior in the article, it is stressed that the Federal Republic of Germany is the same legal personality as West Germany was from its formation, and that "German Reunification" was the accession of East Germany as several states to the existing Federal Republic of Germany. The wording choice of "inherited the old West Germany's seats" heavily implies a successor state, such as the Russian Federation succeeding the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
I suggest that the wording here and overall tone of this section be brought more in line with the legal principles of German reunification. Maabonnet ( talk) 19:55, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
There remain considerable differences between social leanings of people in the former East and West Germanies. A discussion of these differences and others may be warranted in this section. See specifically Irreligion in Germany, and the East-West divide there. Maabonnet ( talk) 20:05, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
I added the following text, which was later removed by @ Nillurcheier (please reply with your concerns):
Some people have stated that the reunification can be classified as an annexation of the GDR by the BRD. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Scholar Ned Richardson-Little from the University of Erfurt noted that the terminology of an annexation can be interpreted from backgrounds across the political spectrum. [8] In 2015, A Russian proposal was made that classified it as an annexation. Mikhail Gorbachev named it 'nonsense'. [9] [10] PhotographyEdits ( talk) 08:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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Change "but under communist regime" to "but under a communist regime" Kevinishere15 ( talk) 03:02, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
This section seems to be given WP:UNDUE weight for its comparative lack of popular support. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 00:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Nonetheless, the primary reason that the majority of Saarlanders voted as they did in 1955 was neither to express their approval for joining West Germany nor to voice their displeasure with Hoffmann’s government. Rather, Saarlanders rejected the European statute because they saw it as a ploy for continued French control of their territory. In the final analysis, France’s image in the Saar went from benevolent partner in 1947 to untrustworthy imperialistic power in 1955. Not only were the assumptions of France’s occupation backwardlooking, but the French were never able to move beyond their role as occupiers to that of true partners.
— Long, Bronson. No Easy Occupation: French Control of the German Saar, 1944-1957 (p. 237). Boydell & Brewer, 2015.
Throughout the entire Cold War and until 1990, reunification did not appear likely, and the existence of two German countries was commonly regarded as an established, unalterable fact.give the wrong impression in this context. The source here seems to imply a notion of opposition, but doesn't actually say anything about opposition as such. JackTheSecond ( talk) 20:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)