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There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Russian Black Pied which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 14:00, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
German black pied (cattle) → German Black and White – FAO DAD-IS and if the German Red Pied is the Rotbuntes Niederungsrind the German Back Pied may be the Deutsches Schwarzbuntes Niederungsrind ( FAO DAD-IS). Both are not crossed with any Holstein Friesian/Black and White cattle. PigeonIP ( talk) 15:02, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Sorry. I was mistaken. -- PigeonIP ( talk) 09:17, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to any particular title at this time, due to unresolved questions of ambiguity and scope, while reaffirming that WikiProject consensus for a particular titling format is not a primary concern. In this case, I suggest revisiting the problem once the concerns raised by PigeonIP have been worked out. Dekimasu よ! 19:42, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
German black pied (cattle) → German Black Pied cattle – All the other breed names are capitalized (the species, e.g. "cattle", is not except in rare cases where it's integral to the formal breed name), and WP:NATURAL policy calls natural disambiguation when practical as it obviously is here. See last three+ months of similar RMs, all of which concluded in favor of natural not parenthetic disambiguation for such animal breed articles. See e.g. the related Black Pied Dairy cattle, and the similarly named Ennstal Mountain Pied cattle, Belgian Red cattle, Ukrainian Grey cattle, etc., etc. This is actually non-controversial by this point, but a formal RM process is harmless. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 02:46, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
@ PigeonIP: We have no need to use long strings of German here; this is not de.wikipedia. Use the most common names found in English-language sources, per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:USEENGLISH. The German Black Pied Dairy breed is extinct, but has an article anyway. Friesian cattle has its own major article, under which the German variety should have a section along with the rest (and then the above redlinks can be redirected to that section). So, despite all of the hand-waving above, there is no problem to resolve other than no one's written a section for the German Friesian. You spent so much time digging up sources and writing material in opposition against natural disambiguation of breed names, in RM after RM after RM, I'm wondering why over a year later you've not applied any of it to articles. Is there not enough, in the above, to add a ==German Friesian== section at Friesian cattle? — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 01:00, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
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There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Russian Black Pied which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 14:00, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
German black pied (cattle) → German Black and White – FAO DAD-IS and if the German Red Pied is the Rotbuntes Niederungsrind the German Back Pied may be the Deutsches Schwarzbuntes Niederungsrind ( FAO DAD-IS). Both are not crossed with any Holstein Friesian/Black and White cattle. PigeonIP ( talk) 15:02, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Sorry. I was mistaken. -- PigeonIP ( talk) 09:17, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to any particular title at this time, due to unresolved questions of ambiguity and scope, while reaffirming that WikiProject consensus for a particular titling format is not a primary concern. In this case, I suggest revisiting the problem once the concerns raised by PigeonIP have been worked out. Dekimasu よ! 19:42, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
German black pied (cattle) → German Black Pied cattle – All the other breed names are capitalized (the species, e.g. "cattle", is not except in rare cases where it's integral to the formal breed name), and WP:NATURAL policy calls natural disambiguation when practical as it obviously is here. See last three+ months of similar RMs, all of which concluded in favor of natural not parenthetic disambiguation for such animal breed articles. See e.g. the related Black Pied Dairy cattle, and the similarly named Ennstal Mountain Pied cattle, Belgian Red cattle, Ukrainian Grey cattle, etc., etc. This is actually non-controversial by this point, but a formal RM process is harmless. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 02:46, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
@ PigeonIP: We have no need to use long strings of German here; this is not de.wikipedia. Use the most common names found in English-language sources, per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:USEENGLISH. The German Black Pied Dairy breed is extinct, but has an article anyway. Friesian cattle has its own major article, under which the German variety should have a section along with the rest (and then the above redlinks can be redirected to that section). So, despite all of the hand-waving above, there is no problem to resolve other than no one's written a section for the German Friesian. You spent so much time digging up sources and writing material in opposition against natural disambiguation of breed names, in RM after RM after RM, I'm wondering why over a year later you've not applied any of it to articles. Is there not enough, in the above, to add a ==German Friesian== section at Friesian cattle? — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 01:00, 27 March 2016 (UTC)