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It would be useful to give the pronunciation, with the accent on the first syllable. I remember Russians who had seen his name in print just after Stalin's death trying to hear it on the radio so as to get the right stress. They knew it would be either the first or last syllble, but not which. Of course, the English put it on the second, impossible, syllable! Seadowns ( talk) 13:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
As this stands, this is awfully close to http://www.coldwar.org/articles/50s/georgy_malenkov.php3, to the point of raising some questions about copyright issues. Joe Mabel 2 Nov 2003
Secretlondon's change 18:58, 7 Nov 2003 replaces a link to a List of Secretaries-General of the Russian Communist Party (this may well be mis-named: I believe that should be "...Communist Party of the Soviet Union" rather than "Russian Communist Party") with a link to a List of leaders of the Soviet Union that doesn't include Malenkov! Since this is an article abou Malenkov, that seems an odd choice. It looks to me like that also means those two lists deserve reconciliation. Since I'm not expert on the 1950s Soviet Union, just middling knowledgeable, I leave it to someone else to follow up and sort this all out. Joe Mabel 8 Nov 2003
Why was the information on place of birth and death removed? -- Jmabel 07:02, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The text:
is very suspicious, since commissars were party overseers of the army. Mikkalai 20:21, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Agree with User:Mikkalai. I am removing a contradictory phrase: Although he never rejoined the party, Malenkov remained a Communist. AFAIK, it's either one or the other. -- Humus sapiens| Talk 02:46, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
Malenkov became Chairman of the Council of Ministers (or Premier) as well as First Secretary of the party
I think this is false. Malenkov was since 1952 and remained until February 14, 1953 one of the Secretaries of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. There was no position of the First Secretary immediately after Sralin's death. Andres 12:26, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I agree with Andres. Malenkov was of the Secretaries, but not First Secretary. In Russian Wikipedian article it is said he was Chairman of the Council of Ministers (председатель Совета министров СССР). No info about the post of First Secretary. As far as I know, Malenkov failed in power struggle with Khrushchev since he held top governmental post only, while Khrushchev held top partial post, i.e more powerful. -- Avia 08:23, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
In the
Russian list of General Secretaries of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Khruschev succeeded to Stalin.
Avia 03:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
No. I know the post here is years old, but the Russian list includes Malenkov Ericl ( talk) 17:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
In categories Leaders of the Soviet Union|, Soviet politicians, and Communists. Surely there should be a hierarchical relationship among these categories and only Category:Leaders of the Soviet Union should be need on the article... -- Jmabel | Talk 05:32, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
It was my understanding that Malenkov was prevented from succeeding Stalin because he was a Cossack. Does anyone know anything about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.31.226 ( talk) 15:26, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
"Georgy Maximilianovich Malenkov (Russian: Гео́ргий Максимилиа́нович Маленко́в, Georgij Maksimilianovič Malenkov; January 8, 1902– January 14, 1988) was a Soviet politician of Macedonian descent". The "macedonian descent" thing is a very unstable concept, as there was no such nation at the time he was born, neither at the time HIS parrents lived or were born. Even more, the source says this:
which roughly translates as
Nobody says wether Russians consider Belarussians the same as themselves, or they consider them something different, or that Bulgarians consider Macedonians something different or quite the same. For now I'm removing it. - Tourbillon A ? 21:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
There maybe was no such nation as in independent nation, but there was a ethnic macedonian nation existing. If there wasnt a source, id said fine, remove it. But the thing is; there is a source and a good one too, so i think this should be added to the site. There was no ireland either, but that doesnt mean there were no irish ethnic people. And for your information, being macedonian, does not mean quite the same as belorussian for russian. thats insane. Being Macedonian has nothing to do with Bulgarians or their country. I personally know the family where he had his roots from, and they are certainly not Bulgarians Makedonia ( talk) 12:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, you have one above. A russian one. So what is the problem? It says that he is Macedonian in the first place. Then the source gives a sort of explanation, but thats not of a matter. Macedonian is Macedonian, if it means for bulgarians to be same as belorussian for a russian, that's another discussion. Makedonia ( talk) 15:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Foreign language renderings are very seldom useful in English language encyclpedia atricles. It does not benefit English readers at all to know Cyrillic form of subject name, and official Wiki policy should provide only for useful content.
Foreign language specialists should focus on other internet sites.
-- NCDane ( talk) 17:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
could someone please upload a pic where we can actually see what he normally looked like? Tallicfan20 ( talk) 06:33, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Since there have been recent attempts to add info to the article classifying Malenkov as First Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, I think the issue deserves some discussion here. As far as I could determine by looking at various sources, unlike Stalin and Kruschev, Malenkov never held the official title of First Secretary or General Secretary. The title of First Secretary was officially instituted in Sept 1953 and Kruschev was the first person to hold that title. By contrast, Malenkov's official position was just Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU. Malenkov is sometimes referred by some western sources as First Secretary, but that is purely informal and sloppy designation. Western sources are notoriously bad and sloppy in understanding the power structure and hierarchy in the USSR and they often use sloppy and informal terms like President, Premier etc, in the situations where these titles are formally incorrect. The Russian/Soviet sources are much more careful in the matters of protocol and none of them refer to Malenkov as First Secretary. Nsk92 ( talk) 13:03, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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Hi! I'm here to offer a third opinion, as has been requested on WP:3O. I agree with Str, the Russian Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source, because being a wiki like this one, anyone can edit it. TIAYN, I respect that you have a claim, and that you say you have the sources to verify it, but can you please provide some links and page numbers? Until then, I'll have to concur with BorisG, Nsk, and Str.— hkr Laozi speak 22:12, 6 November 2010 (UTC) |
"Moreover, the post of the General Secretary had been formally abolished by Stalin at the Nineteenth Party Congress in 1952, so that in principle even Stalin was then just one among several secretaries, though the reality was utterly different. This meant, though, that in March 1953 there was not a position of individual pre-eminence in the Communist Party in the way in which there was a slot for just one person at the top of the ministerial hierarchy". (p. 231-232)
Don't people think that this out of favor, in favor stuff is merky? It says Beria saw Zhdanov's allies executed. But Leningrad affair was organised by Abakumov (later executed for this), who replaced Beria's protege Merkulov in 1946 aparently due to Stalin's attempts to curb Beria's power... Do we know enough to say these things? - BorisG ( talk) 10:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
From what I've read, Malenkov never actually fell out of favor with Stalin but was tested from time to time like everyone else. It was almost unheard of to fall out of favor with Stalin and then to come back. It is almost like rising from the dead... - BorisG ( talk) 10:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
In 1946 Malenkov was named a candidate member of the Politburo. Although Malenkov was trailing behind his rivals Andrei Zhdanov and Lavrentiy Beria, he soon came back into Joseph Stalin's favour, especially after Zhdanov's strange death in 1948. That same year, Malenkov became a Secretary of the Central Committee. In the end of WWII and shortly after, Malenkov implemented Stalin's plan to destroy all political and cultural competition from Leningrad/St. Petersburg, the former capital of Russia, in order to concentrate all power in Moscow. Leningrad and its leaders earned immense respect and popular support due to winning the heroic Siege of Leningrad. Both Stalin and Malenkov expressed their hatred to anyone born and educated in Leningrad/St. Petersburg, so they organized and led the attack on Leningrad elite. Beria and Malenkov together with Abakumov organized massive execution of their rivals in Leningrad Affair where all leaders of Leningrad and Zhdanov's allies were killed, and thousands more were locked up in GULAG labour camps upon Stalin's approval. Malenkov personally ordered the destruction of the Museum of the Siege of Leningrad and declared the 900-day-long defense of Leningrad "a myth designed by traitors trying to diminish the greatness of comrade Stalin." Simultaneously, Malenkov replaced all communist party and administrative leadership in Leningrad by provincial communists loyal to Stalin. After that, in order to test Malenkov as a potential successor, the ageing Stalin increasingly withdrew from the business of the Communist party secretariat, leaving the task of supervising the Soviet Communist party entirely to Malenkov.
This Time magazine cover [10] illustrates that Malenkov was Stalin's apprentice and successor.
Malenkov's crafty activity in organizing the Leningrad Affair was important for Stalin. After killing the leaders of Leningrad, Malenkov won Stalin's full support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.147.22.105 ( talk) 05:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
-- The entire section of this article called "Attack on Georgy Zhukov" seems extremely suspicious, and unlikely, to me.... and it seems to be largely based on this post, above.
First off, there are a few citations, but very little of what's said in the section is actually cited, or, supported by what's cited. All that the sources referenced actually say, that's in that paragraph/section, is that Malenkov took over some of the duties of the country's leader a few years before Stalin died-- which makes sense, because Stalin was very old then-- and, of course, that he eventually succeeded Stalin as the leader of the Soviet Union. But, that's all. As far as all the, Malenkov attacked this one, and Malenkov hated that one-- none of that is referenced at all, there are no sources. And some of it seems pretty unlikely, pretty suspicious. I mean, as far as the feud with Zhukov, I don't know, and maybe that's not true, but at least that part of it sounds plausible or something, at least. It's possible to imagine at least-- Malenkov getting into a spit with a famous general and giving him a crap assignment, so on and so on, send him to some backwater. Actually that sort of thing has happened in alot of armies, not just the Soviet, so it's not like it's not feasible or something. Whether it happened or not, actually, I don't actually know-- and there's no sources or anything. But alot of the other stuff isn't even vaguely feasible like that.... it just, doesn't seem true, alot of it.
Like, the stuff about Malenkov and his supposed violent attack on Leningrad-- that seems *obviously* untrue, and I think that we should all agree to delete it. It's dross. I mean, let's think about this.
Everybody in Russia knew about the super-famous 900-day Siege of Leningrad. Even people everywhere know, much less people in Russia a few years after it happened. Soviet propaganda was EXTREMELY pro-Leningrad. It had almost been destroyed completely by the Germans, everyone there had suffered, eventually they had been freed-- it was one of their hero stories. It was literally a Hero City. You know, like Hero of the Soviet Union-- except, the whole damn city. I mean, this is what propaganda people *do*-- this is their whole job, you know, their whole purpose. This was like they were the heroes of Star Wars or something.
The idea that Stalin or Malenkov or anybody else ordered the Red Army into Leningrad to destroy museums and fire on the masses and kill random people and cause random destruction-- it's just not real. We're not talking about reality anymore. I mean, it's like saying that *Lenin* ordered the Red Army into Leningrad to destroy museums and cause destruction and, you know, just send in the guys to just start killing people in Leningrad-- it's like saying that Stalin invaded Boston in 1967, or something. It's not.... reality. It's not even vaguely feasible, not even a little bit.
And the idea that being from Leningrad was not okay, and that Stalin and Malenkov and everyone would hate you if you were from Leningrad-- that's another one of these, you know, the Roswell aliens were living in Leningrad, so Stalin had Beria send in the NKVD to Leningrad to just start shooting people in the city square in broad daylight, as a cover-up, you know, for Roswell, or, something. It's not-- this is not like Malenkov spit-balling Zhukov's career or something, because everybody knows Zhukov and nobody knows Malenkov and so he was jealous, like your little brother is jealous of Tom Cruise or something. That's feasible or something, at least. Some of these other things that we're passing off as fact aren't even *possible*, I think.
I mean, Leningrad-- oooh, you're from Leningrad! We hate you! ~ I mean, many of the Soviet leaders weren't even Russian, in a society where everyone was kinda supposed to be able to speak Russian, like people are kinda supposed to be able to speak English in America, so that when you talk, it isn't meaningless gibbering to us, right. But many of the *leaders*, even, were non-Russian in origin. Like, you know, *Stalin*, for example-- 'the strategic genius of the great Stalin', 'thank you Comrade Stalin', 'blah blah blah, the great Stalin'-- that Stalin. The Stalin that all of the propaganda people wanted you to *love*, as though he were your *father*, and all of that. And he came from Georgia, in the mountainous area of the Caucasus south of Russia, (and incidentally, on one of the propaganda posters with him and Molotov, who was Russian, as many Soviets were-- Stalin does look a shade darker, not that dark or black, but like a mixed-race Mexican or something.... but Russians, it's not their thing, really, to worry about that, basically).... but, yeah, Stalin was from Georgia, which is basically the Guatemala of the Soviet space of the world, right, it is a little poor and such there-- and his mother never learned to speak Russian really-- I mean, according to Wikipedia, right-- kinda like one of these immigrants here in the States, who goes to school and does everything that we want and is super cool and so mainstream and they're just like you-- and, incidentally, their mom back in their house, you know, doesn't even speak English at all, but totally, just Spanish or Korean or something, because she's basically a foreign peasant, and kinda trashy, you know. So, that's Stalin's background-- and that was their *leader*, you know, their *hero*.
I mean, I know that's a tangent, but, here's the point-- so, there's that, and now you're talking about being from *Leningrad*, one of the big Russian cities, and one of the big cities of the world, and not just any city-- but a Hero City, which had withstood the brutal might of Hitler's hordes in a multi-year siege about only a few years before.
So, like, if you were a guy from the really trashy poor non-Russian area where the Soviets sometimes had problems, you know-- well, that was their leader. But, if you come from a big metropolitan Russian city, where everyone is urban and urbane and such, usually, and, not only that, a but a Hero, hero city....
Then everyone would *hate* you.
And not only that, but Stalin and Malenkov and Lenin and, all of those guys, right, would send the army to the place to burn all the museums and, you know, to just start killing people, just because they lived in Leningrad.
I mean, I think that we might be confusing the Russian army with the German one, here. Yeah, the Soviet military, the Red Army, and Hitler's Wehrmacht-- pretty different, actually.
And especially in regard to *Leningrad*, oh my god.
I mean, you get to the point where it's like-- Malenkov ordered that a unicorn unit be built in Leningrad, but then, his turn ended and he died, and Russia got a new Leader Unit. Or, you know, Malenkov's next mission/quest from Stalin, the leader of the Fighter's Guild, was kill his rivals in Leningrad, after which he got promoted to the next Guild rank and some gold to level up his magic sword, or, whatever. I mean, it's like a video game or something. It's not really real, or anything, at all.
The Soviet Union was not at war with Leningrad.
It's okay, man, you're allowed to be from the Hero City.
Kwiataprilensis ( talk) 02:35, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
* Malenkov was sent by Stalin to exterminate the leaders of Leningrad and also to destroy two major museums with all photos, exhibits and documentation about the siege, because Stalin and Malenkov were both paranoid about leaders of Leningrad growing famous and loved by people across Russia and the USSR. Then, in order to keep the public uninformed, the executions were kept secret and all 23 executed leaders of Leningrad city were secretly interred in several remote cemeteries. In addition, Stalin ordered 2000 (two thousand) prominent survivors of the Siege, such as industrial managers, university professors and teachers exiled from Leningrad to Siberia, and their executive jobs were given exclusively to pro-Stalin hardliners, all that was organized and controlled by Malenkov and the MGB chief Abakumov who personally interrogated the Mayor of Leningrad and ordered him to be shot. Please study the Leningrad affair and restore the pertinent information about Malenkov's attack on Leningrad. 2606:6000:668C:1300:E88F:B553:6DB0:CBD ( talk) 00:15, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Malenkov was the attacker on Russian Jews. He executed all Stalin's bloody politics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.147.22.105 ( talk) 03:29, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
In 1920, in Turkestan, Malenkov started living together with Valeria Golubtsova, daughter of Aleksei Golubtsov, former State Councellor of Russian Empire in Nizhny Novgorod and dean of Imperial Cadet School. Golubtsova and Malenkov never officially registered their union and remained unregistered partners for the rest of their lives, such status allowed them to receive twice more perks from the Soviet system. Valeria Golubtsova joined the Soviet Communist party in 1920. Her personal views were described as antisemitism, by her co-workers. [1]
Malenkov's partner, Valeria Golubtsova, had direct connection to Vladimir Lenin through her mother - one of "Nevsorov sisters" who were apprentices of Lenin and studied together with him for years, long before the Russian revolution of 1917. [2] [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.147.22.105 ( talk) 23:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Russian wikipedia says: " В 1920 году вышла за него замуж (без официальной регистрации до конца жизни и с сохранением девичьей фамилии)" which is "She married him in 1920 (without official registration up to end of life and keeping her maiden name)". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.220.224.176 ( talk) 11:07, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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Hard-line stalinist, Malenkov conspired to become dictator of the Soviet Union after the death of Stalin. Malenkov, together with his co-conspirators Bulganin, Molotov and Kaganovich, organized two coup attempts against Khrushchev. Malenkov failed, but continued to oppose the Khrushchev Thaw and especially strongly criticized removal of Stalin's body from the Lenin's mausoleum. After involvement in Soviet invasion of Hungary and two failed coup attempts Malenkov's reputation was bad and eventually he was ousted from Moscow to Siberia.
Malenkov was responsible for extermination of many prominent people in the Soviet Union. Malenkov organized the attack on Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee. The JAC was documenting the Holocaust. This ran contrary to the official Soviet policy to present it as atrocities against all Soviet citizens, not acknowledging the specific genocide of the Jews. JAC supported the State of Israel, established in 1948, something that Stalin supported very briefly. The JAC international contacts especially to the USA at the outset of the Cold War, made them vulnerable to charges that they had become politically incorrect. The contacts with American Jewish organizations resulted in the plan to publish the Black Book documenting the Holocaust and participation of Jews in the resistance movement. The Black Book was indeed published in New York City in 1946, but no Russian edition appeared. The political situation of Soviet Jewry deteriorated.
In January 1948, Mikhoels was killed in Minsk by the Soviet secret police agents who staged the murder as a car accident. [1] The members of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee were arrested. They were charged with disloyalty, bourgeois nationalism, cosmopolitanism, and planning to set up a Jewish republic in Crimea to serve US interests. In January 1949, the Soviet mass media launched massive propaganda campaign against " rootless cosmopolitans", unmistakably aimed at Jews. Markish observed at the time: "Hitler wanted to destroy us physically, Stalin wants to do it spiritually." On 12 August 1952, at least thirteen prominent Yiddish writers were executed in the event known as the " Night of the Murdered Poets" ("Ночь казненных поэтов").
In 1949 - 1950, Mlenkov fabricated the Leningrad Affair to kill his and Stalin's competitors in Leningrad, Moscow and other cities of the Soviet Union. Malenkov personally fabricated false accusations and then, together with Beria and Abakumov, supervised arrests and executions. About 2,000 of Leningrad's public figures were removed from their positions and exiled from their city, thus losing their homes and other property. All of them were repressed, together with their families. Respected intellectuals, managers, scientists, writers and educators, many of whom were pillars of the city's community, were exiled or imprisoned in the Gulag prison camps. [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.92.241.249 ( talk) 00:30, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
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Malenkov's ancestors were not Ethnic Macedonians. At the time they moved from the Ottoman to the Russian Empire during the first half of the 19th century, nobody have heard anything about Ethnic Macedonians. The ancient name Macedonia was restored only in the nineteenth century originally as geographical term. The rise of nationalism under the Ottoman Empire then led the Macedonian Slavs, to desire of creation of their own schools in a new literary standard they called Bulgarian and new Slavic Church they called Bulgarian. Malenkov's relatives in Ohrid for example as Yoakim Malenkov and Christo Malenkov were among the supporters of the Bulgarian national idea in the city during the second half of the 19th century. Macedonian identity was developed and introduced mainly during the 1940s. and especially after WWII. Malenkov himself also never declared Macedonian identity. Do not mistake geographical origin with ethnic background. Thank you. Jingiby ( talk) 17:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
His date of birth are different in the introduction and in below his picture. Aminabzz ( talk) 04:04, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
There must be a mistake, because in the text he is named candidate member of the Politburo twice. I assume the second one is full membership, but I do not know myself.
Under the heading "Career in the Communist Party":
In February 1941, Malenkov became a candidate member of the Politburo.
Under the heading "Attack on Georgy Zhukov":
In 1946, Malenkov was named a candidate member of the Politburo.
If the article had simply said "demoted" I would have shrugged but Zhukov, unlike Shaposhnikov, was never "demoted in rank". He remained a Marshal of the Soviet Union until he died. He was demoted in POSITION, from Minister of Defense to Commanding General of the Odessa Military District. Gcapitalg ( talk) 16:44, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
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It would be useful to give the pronunciation, with the accent on the first syllable. I remember Russians who had seen his name in print just after Stalin's death trying to hear it on the radio so as to get the right stress. They knew it would be either the first or last syllble, but not which. Of course, the English put it on the second, impossible, syllable! Seadowns ( talk) 13:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
As this stands, this is awfully close to http://www.coldwar.org/articles/50s/georgy_malenkov.php3, to the point of raising some questions about copyright issues. Joe Mabel 2 Nov 2003
Secretlondon's change 18:58, 7 Nov 2003 replaces a link to a List of Secretaries-General of the Russian Communist Party (this may well be mis-named: I believe that should be "...Communist Party of the Soviet Union" rather than "Russian Communist Party") with a link to a List of leaders of the Soviet Union that doesn't include Malenkov! Since this is an article abou Malenkov, that seems an odd choice. It looks to me like that also means those two lists deserve reconciliation. Since I'm not expert on the 1950s Soviet Union, just middling knowledgeable, I leave it to someone else to follow up and sort this all out. Joe Mabel 8 Nov 2003
Why was the information on place of birth and death removed? -- Jmabel 07:02, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The text:
is very suspicious, since commissars were party overseers of the army. Mikkalai 20:21, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Agree with User:Mikkalai. I am removing a contradictory phrase: Although he never rejoined the party, Malenkov remained a Communist. AFAIK, it's either one or the other. -- Humus sapiens| Talk 02:46, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
Malenkov became Chairman of the Council of Ministers (or Premier) as well as First Secretary of the party
I think this is false. Malenkov was since 1952 and remained until February 14, 1953 one of the Secretaries of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. There was no position of the First Secretary immediately after Sralin's death. Andres 12:26, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I agree with Andres. Malenkov was of the Secretaries, but not First Secretary. In Russian Wikipedian article it is said he was Chairman of the Council of Ministers (председатель Совета министров СССР). No info about the post of First Secretary. As far as I know, Malenkov failed in power struggle with Khrushchev since he held top governmental post only, while Khrushchev held top partial post, i.e more powerful. -- Avia 08:23, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
In the
Russian list of General Secretaries of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Khruschev succeeded to Stalin.
Avia 03:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
No. I know the post here is years old, but the Russian list includes Malenkov Ericl ( talk) 17:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
In categories Leaders of the Soviet Union|, Soviet politicians, and Communists. Surely there should be a hierarchical relationship among these categories and only Category:Leaders of the Soviet Union should be need on the article... -- Jmabel | Talk 05:32, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
It was my understanding that Malenkov was prevented from succeeding Stalin because he was a Cossack. Does anyone know anything about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.31.226 ( talk) 15:26, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
"Georgy Maximilianovich Malenkov (Russian: Гео́ргий Максимилиа́нович Маленко́в, Georgij Maksimilianovič Malenkov; January 8, 1902– January 14, 1988) was a Soviet politician of Macedonian descent". The "macedonian descent" thing is a very unstable concept, as there was no such nation at the time he was born, neither at the time HIS parrents lived or were born. Even more, the source says this:
which roughly translates as
Nobody says wether Russians consider Belarussians the same as themselves, or they consider them something different, or that Bulgarians consider Macedonians something different or quite the same. For now I'm removing it. - Tourbillon A ? 21:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
There maybe was no such nation as in independent nation, but there was a ethnic macedonian nation existing. If there wasnt a source, id said fine, remove it. But the thing is; there is a source and a good one too, so i think this should be added to the site. There was no ireland either, but that doesnt mean there were no irish ethnic people. And for your information, being macedonian, does not mean quite the same as belorussian for russian. thats insane. Being Macedonian has nothing to do with Bulgarians or their country. I personally know the family where he had his roots from, and they are certainly not Bulgarians Makedonia ( talk) 12:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, you have one above. A russian one. So what is the problem? It says that he is Macedonian in the first place. Then the source gives a sort of explanation, but thats not of a matter. Macedonian is Macedonian, if it means for bulgarians to be same as belorussian for a russian, that's another discussion. Makedonia ( talk) 15:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Foreign language renderings are very seldom useful in English language encyclpedia atricles. It does not benefit English readers at all to know Cyrillic form of subject name, and official Wiki policy should provide only for useful content.
Foreign language specialists should focus on other internet sites.
-- NCDane ( talk) 17:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
could someone please upload a pic where we can actually see what he normally looked like? Tallicfan20 ( talk) 06:33, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Since there have been recent attempts to add info to the article classifying Malenkov as First Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, I think the issue deserves some discussion here. As far as I could determine by looking at various sources, unlike Stalin and Kruschev, Malenkov never held the official title of First Secretary or General Secretary. The title of First Secretary was officially instituted in Sept 1953 and Kruschev was the first person to hold that title. By contrast, Malenkov's official position was just Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU. Malenkov is sometimes referred by some western sources as First Secretary, but that is purely informal and sloppy designation. Western sources are notoriously bad and sloppy in understanding the power structure and hierarchy in the USSR and they often use sloppy and informal terms like President, Premier etc, in the situations where these titles are formally incorrect. The Russian/Soviet sources are much more careful in the matters of protocol and none of them refer to Malenkov as First Secretary. Nsk92 ( talk) 13:03, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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Hi! I'm here to offer a third opinion, as has been requested on WP:3O. I agree with Str, the Russian Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source, because being a wiki like this one, anyone can edit it. TIAYN, I respect that you have a claim, and that you say you have the sources to verify it, but can you please provide some links and page numbers? Until then, I'll have to concur with BorisG, Nsk, and Str.— hkr Laozi speak 22:12, 6 November 2010 (UTC) |
"Moreover, the post of the General Secretary had been formally abolished by Stalin at the Nineteenth Party Congress in 1952, so that in principle even Stalin was then just one among several secretaries, though the reality was utterly different. This meant, though, that in March 1953 there was not a position of individual pre-eminence in the Communist Party in the way in which there was a slot for just one person at the top of the ministerial hierarchy". (p. 231-232)
Don't people think that this out of favor, in favor stuff is merky? It says Beria saw Zhdanov's allies executed. But Leningrad affair was organised by Abakumov (later executed for this), who replaced Beria's protege Merkulov in 1946 aparently due to Stalin's attempts to curb Beria's power... Do we know enough to say these things? - BorisG ( talk) 10:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
From what I've read, Malenkov never actually fell out of favor with Stalin but was tested from time to time like everyone else. It was almost unheard of to fall out of favor with Stalin and then to come back. It is almost like rising from the dead... - BorisG ( talk) 10:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
In 1946 Malenkov was named a candidate member of the Politburo. Although Malenkov was trailing behind his rivals Andrei Zhdanov and Lavrentiy Beria, he soon came back into Joseph Stalin's favour, especially after Zhdanov's strange death in 1948. That same year, Malenkov became a Secretary of the Central Committee. In the end of WWII and shortly after, Malenkov implemented Stalin's plan to destroy all political and cultural competition from Leningrad/St. Petersburg, the former capital of Russia, in order to concentrate all power in Moscow. Leningrad and its leaders earned immense respect and popular support due to winning the heroic Siege of Leningrad. Both Stalin and Malenkov expressed their hatred to anyone born and educated in Leningrad/St. Petersburg, so they organized and led the attack on Leningrad elite. Beria and Malenkov together with Abakumov organized massive execution of their rivals in Leningrad Affair where all leaders of Leningrad and Zhdanov's allies were killed, and thousands more were locked up in GULAG labour camps upon Stalin's approval. Malenkov personally ordered the destruction of the Museum of the Siege of Leningrad and declared the 900-day-long defense of Leningrad "a myth designed by traitors trying to diminish the greatness of comrade Stalin." Simultaneously, Malenkov replaced all communist party and administrative leadership in Leningrad by provincial communists loyal to Stalin. After that, in order to test Malenkov as a potential successor, the ageing Stalin increasingly withdrew from the business of the Communist party secretariat, leaving the task of supervising the Soviet Communist party entirely to Malenkov.
This Time magazine cover [10] illustrates that Malenkov was Stalin's apprentice and successor.
Malenkov's crafty activity in organizing the Leningrad Affair was important for Stalin. After killing the leaders of Leningrad, Malenkov won Stalin's full support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.147.22.105 ( talk) 05:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
-- The entire section of this article called "Attack on Georgy Zhukov" seems extremely suspicious, and unlikely, to me.... and it seems to be largely based on this post, above.
First off, there are a few citations, but very little of what's said in the section is actually cited, or, supported by what's cited. All that the sources referenced actually say, that's in that paragraph/section, is that Malenkov took over some of the duties of the country's leader a few years before Stalin died-- which makes sense, because Stalin was very old then-- and, of course, that he eventually succeeded Stalin as the leader of the Soviet Union. But, that's all. As far as all the, Malenkov attacked this one, and Malenkov hated that one-- none of that is referenced at all, there are no sources. And some of it seems pretty unlikely, pretty suspicious. I mean, as far as the feud with Zhukov, I don't know, and maybe that's not true, but at least that part of it sounds plausible or something, at least. It's possible to imagine at least-- Malenkov getting into a spit with a famous general and giving him a crap assignment, so on and so on, send him to some backwater. Actually that sort of thing has happened in alot of armies, not just the Soviet, so it's not like it's not feasible or something. Whether it happened or not, actually, I don't actually know-- and there's no sources or anything. But alot of the other stuff isn't even vaguely feasible like that.... it just, doesn't seem true, alot of it.
Like, the stuff about Malenkov and his supposed violent attack on Leningrad-- that seems *obviously* untrue, and I think that we should all agree to delete it. It's dross. I mean, let's think about this.
Everybody in Russia knew about the super-famous 900-day Siege of Leningrad. Even people everywhere know, much less people in Russia a few years after it happened. Soviet propaganda was EXTREMELY pro-Leningrad. It had almost been destroyed completely by the Germans, everyone there had suffered, eventually they had been freed-- it was one of their hero stories. It was literally a Hero City. You know, like Hero of the Soviet Union-- except, the whole damn city. I mean, this is what propaganda people *do*-- this is their whole job, you know, their whole purpose. This was like they were the heroes of Star Wars or something.
The idea that Stalin or Malenkov or anybody else ordered the Red Army into Leningrad to destroy museums and fire on the masses and kill random people and cause random destruction-- it's just not real. We're not talking about reality anymore. I mean, it's like saying that *Lenin* ordered the Red Army into Leningrad to destroy museums and cause destruction and, you know, just send in the guys to just start killing people in Leningrad-- it's like saying that Stalin invaded Boston in 1967, or something. It's not.... reality. It's not even vaguely feasible, not even a little bit.
And the idea that being from Leningrad was not okay, and that Stalin and Malenkov and everyone would hate you if you were from Leningrad-- that's another one of these, you know, the Roswell aliens were living in Leningrad, so Stalin had Beria send in the NKVD to Leningrad to just start shooting people in the city square in broad daylight, as a cover-up, you know, for Roswell, or, something. It's not-- this is not like Malenkov spit-balling Zhukov's career or something, because everybody knows Zhukov and nobody knows Malenkov and so he was jealous, like your little brother is jealous of Tom Cruise or something. That's feasible or something, at least. Some of these other things that we're passing off as fact aren't even *possible*, I think.
I mean, Leningrad-- oooh, you're from Leningrad! We hate you! ~ I mean, many of the Soviet leaders weren't even Russian, in a society where everyone was kinda supposed to be able to speak Russian, like people are kinda supposed to be able to speak English in America, so that when you talk, it isn't meaningless gibbering to us, right. But many of the *leaders*, even, were non-Russian in origin. Like, you know, *Stalin*, for example-- 'the strategic genius of the great Stalin', 'thank you Comrade Stalin', 'blah blah blah, the great Stalin'-- that Stalin. The Stalin that all of the propaganda people wanted you to *love*, as though he were your *father*, and all of that. And he came from Georgia, in the mountainous area of the Caucasus south of Russia, (and incidentally, on one of the propaganda posters with him and Molotov, who was Russian, as many Soviets were-- Stalin does look a shade darker, not that dark or black, but like a mixed-race Mexican or something.... but Russians, it's not their thing, really, to worry about that, basically).... but, yeah, Stalin was from Georgia, which is basically the Guatemala of the Soviet space of the world, right, it is a little poor and such there-- and his mother never learned to speak Russian really-- I mean, according to Wikipedia, right-- kinda like one of these immigrants here in the States, who goes to school and does everything that we want and is super cool and so mainstream and they're just like you-- and, incidentally, their mom back in their house, you know, doesn't even speak English at all, but totally, just Spanish or Korean or something, because she's basically a foreign peasant, and kinda trashy, you know. So, that's Stalin's background-- and that was their *leader*, you know, their *hero*.
I mean, I know that's a tangent, but, here's the point-- so, there's that, and now you're talking about being from *Leningrad*, one of the big Russian cities, and one of the big cities of the world, and not just any city-- but a Hero City, which had withstood the brutal might of Hitler's hordes in a multi-year siege about only a few years before.
So, like, if you were a guy from the really trashy poor non-Russian area where the Soviets sometimes had problems, you know-- well, that was their leader. But, if you come from a big metropolitan Russian city, where everyone is urban and urbane and such, usually, and, not only that, a but a Hero, hero city....
Then everyone would *hate* you.
And not only that, but Stalin and Malenkov and Lenin and, all of those guys, right, would send the army to the place to burn all the museums and, you know, to just start killing people, just because they lived in Leningrad.
I mean, I think that we might be confusing the Russian army with the German one, here. Yeah, the Soviet military, the Red Army, and Hitler's Wehrmacht-- pretty different, actually.
And especially in regard to *Leningrad*, oh my god.
I mean, you get to the point where it's like-- Malenkov ordered that a unicorn unit be built in Leningrad, but then, his turn ended and he died, and Russia got a new Leader Unit. Or, you know, Malenkov's next mission/quest from Stalin, the leader of the Fighter's Guild, was kill his rivals in Leningrad, after which he got promoted to the next Guild rank and some gold to level up his magic sword, or, whatever. I mean, it's like a video game or something. It's not really real, or anything, at all.
The Soviet Union was not at war with Leningrad.
It's okay, man, you're allowed to be from the Hero City.
Kwiataprilensis ( talk) 02:35, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
* Malenkov was sent by Stalin to exterminate the leaders of Leningrad and also to destroy two major museums with all photos, exhibits and documentation about the siege, because Stalin and Malenkov were both paranoid about leaders of Leningrad growing famous and loved by people across Russia and the USSR. Then, in order to keep the public uninformed, the executions were kept secret and all 23 executed leaders of Leningrad city were secretly interred in several remote cemeteries. In addition, Stalin ordered 2000 (two thousand) prominent survivors of the Siege, such as industrial managers, university professors and teachers exiled from Leningrad to Siberia, and their executive jobs were given exclusively to pro-Stalin hardliners, all that was organized and controlled by Malenkov and the MGB chief Abakumov who personally interrogated the Mayor of Leningrad and ordered him to be shot. Please study the Leningrad affair and restore the pertinent information about Malenkov's attack on Leningrad. 2606:6000:668C:1300:E88F:B553:6DB0:CBD ( talk) 00:15, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Malenkov was the attacker on Russian Jews. He executed all Stalin's bloody politics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.147.22.105 ( talk) 03:29, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
In 1920, in Turkestan, Malenkov started living together with Valeria Golubtsova, daughter of Aleksei Golubtsov, former State Councellor of Russian Empire in Nizhny Novgorod and dean of Imperial Cadet School. Golubtsova and Malenkov never officially registered their union and remained unregistered partners for the rest of their lives, such status allowed them to receive twice more perks from the Soviet system. Valeria Golubtsova joined the Soviet Communist party in 1920. Her personal views were described as antisemitism, by her co-workers. [1]
Malenkov's partner, Valeria Golubtsova, had direct connection to Vladimir Lenin through her mother - one of "Nevsorov sisters" who were apprentices of Lenin and studied together with him for years, long before the Russian revolution of 1917. [2] [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.147.22.105 ( talk) 23:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Russian wikipedia says: " В 1920 году вышла за него замуж (без официальной регистрации до конца жизни и с сохранением девичьей фамилии)" which is "She married him in 1920 (without official registration up to end of life and keeping her maiden name)". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.220.224.176 ( talk) 11:07, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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Hard-line stalinist, Malenkov conspired to become dictator of the Soviet Union after the death of Stalin. Malenkov, together with his co-conspirators Bulganin, Molotov and Kaganovich, organized two coup attempts against Khrushchev. Malenkov failed, but continued to oppose the Khrushchev Thaw and especially strongly criticized removal of Stalin's body from the Lenin's mausoleum. After involvement in Soviet invasion of Hungary and two failed coup attempts Malenkov's reputation was bad and eventually he was ousted from Moscow to Siberia.
Malenkov was responsible for extermination of many prominent people in the Soviet Union. Malenkov organized the attack on Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee. The JAC was documenting the Holocaust. This ran contrary to the official Soviet policy to present it as atrocities against all Soviet citizens, not acknowledging the specific genocide of the Jews. JAC supported the State of Israel, established in 1948, something that Stalin supported very briefly. The JAC international contacts especially to the USA at the outset of the Cold War, made them vulnerable to charges that they had become politically incorrect. The contacts with American Jewish organizations resulted in the plan to publish the Black Book documenting the Holocaust and participation of Jews in the resistance movement. The Black Book was indeed published in New York City in 1946, but no Russian edition appeared. The political situation of Soviet Jewry deteriorated.
In January 1948, Mikhoels was killed in Minsk by the Soviet secret police agents who staged the murder as a car accident. [1] The members of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee were arrested. They were charged with disloyalty, bourgeois nationalism, cosmopolitanism, and planning to set up a Jewish republic in Crimea to serve US interests. In January 1949, the Soviet mass media launched massive propaganda campaign against " rootless cosmopolitans", unmistakably aimed at Jews. Markish observed at the time: "Hitler wanted to destroy us physically, Stalin wants to do it spiritually." On 12 August 1952, at least thirteen prominent Yiddish writers were executed in the event known as the " Night of the Murdered Poets" ("Ночь казненных поэтов").
In 1949 - 1950, Mlenkov fabricated the Leningrad Affair to kill his and Stalin's competitors in Leningrad, Moscow and other cities of the Soviet Union. Malenkov personally fabricated false accusations and then, together with Beria and Abakumov, supervised arrests and executions. About 2,000 of Leningrad's public figures were removed from their positions and exiled from their city, thus losing their homes and other property. All of them were repressed, together with their families. Respected intellectuals, managers, scientists, writers and educators, many of whom were pillars of the city's community, were exiled or imprisoned in the Gulag prison camps. [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.92.241.249 ( talk) 00:30, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
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Malenkov's ancestors were not Ethnic Macedonians. At the time they moved from the Ottoman to the Russian Empire during the first half of the 19th century, nobody have heard anything about Ethnic Macedonians. The ancient name Macedonia was restored only in the nineteenth century originally as geographical term. The rise of nationalism under the Ottoman Empire then led the Macedonian Slavs, to desire of creation of their own schools in a new literary standard they called Bulgarian and new Slavic Church they called Bulgarian. Malenkov's relatives in Ohrid for example as Yoakim Malenkov and Christo Malenkov were among the supporters of the Bulgarian national idea in the city during the second half of the 19th century. Macedonian identity was developed and introduced mainly during the 1940s. and especially after WWII. Malenkov himself also never declared Macedonian identity. Do not mistake geographical origin with ethnic background. Thank you. Jingiby ( talk) 17:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
His date of birth are different in the introduction and in below his picture. Aminabzz ( talk) 04:04, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
There must be a mistake, because in the text he is named candidate member of the Politburo twice. I assume the second one is full membership, but I do not know myself.
Under the heading "Career in the Communist Party":
In February 1941, Malenkov became a candidate member of the Politburo.
Under the heading "Attack on Georgy Zhukov":
In 1946, Malenkov was named a candidate member of the Politburo.
If the article had simply said "demoted" I would have shrugged but Zhukov, unlike Shaposhnikov, was never "demoted in rank". He remained a Marshal of the Soviet Union until he died. He was demoted in POSITION, from Minister of Defense to Commanding General of the Odessa Military District. Gcapitalg ( talk) 16:44, 31 July 2023 (UTC)