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The old page was a Copyvio of [1], and had to go. It may be remakable. Adam Cuerden talk 23:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I've given an actual quote from Vithoulkas where he implies antibiotics cause Alzheimer's. This is someone who supposedly doesn't object to antibiotics? Adam Cuerden talk 16:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, i'll try to explain this as best as i can. Obviously i'm not G.V., but an MD who has studied and practiced Homeopathy for years, and i can more or less explain a few things about his writings. Regarding Antibiotics, he says that they are being abused, and that (in conjuction with the abuse of vaxinations) are leading to serious chronic diseases (including Alzheimer's, Cancer, Autoimmune diseases, you name it). He does NOT claim that Antibiotics should NOT be used, but rather that they should be used carefully. It's a whole theory you're not familiar with and it can not be explained in a few lines here, you need to read his books to understand. Saying that he says NOT to use Antibiotics, NOT to use Vaxines, NOT to use chemotherapy, is not what he supports. You will not find such a thing written anywhere - that is your understanding, by reading one article, and jumping to conclusions. One more thing: he does not say not to use homeopathy along with Chemotherapy, or other evidence-based techniques, but that in this case, the effect of Homeopathic remedies are a lot less effective, or in some cases, not effective at all. This differs from what you wrote, about the "should not be used" part & "makes it more difficult". Hope you understand. Homeopathic 17:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Right. Thank you for an excellent reference about his distrust of vaccinations:
"Anxiety neurosis, compulsive neurosis, and in general mental disorders of a severe nature from which millions of patients are suffering in the western world, are almost unknown in these groups that have not had the "benefit" of modern medicine and vaccinations."
And, what's more: "The model suggests that all these chronic diseases, including hay fever, asthma, cancer and AIDS, are the result of wrong intervention upon the organisms by conventional medicine. It claims that the immune systems of the western population, through strong chemical drugs and repeated vaccinations, have broken down and finally admitted the diseases deeper and deeper into the human organism, to the central and peripheral nervous system."
Which is definately suitable for the article.
"In short, this model claims that conventional medicine, instead of curing diseases, is actually the cause of the degeneration of the human race."
Weren't you trying to tell me he wasn't against all conventional medicine?
"Due to this model, I had already, in 1970, predicted the appearance of AIDS, saying to a group of medical doctors in Athens that if conventional medicine continued to use antibiotics the way it did, there would come a time when the immune system would break down and new incurable diseases would emerge. It was an unfortunate but precise and timely prediction of the appearance of AIDS."
HE CLAIMS ANTIBIOTICS CREATED AIDS?!
You're right, that is an excellent introduction. I never would have believed he was that far out there had I not read it. Adam Cuerden talk 18:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Right. Let's try this suggestion:
He claims that "conventional medicine, instead of curing diseases, is actually the cause of the degeneration of the human race." He blames modern medicine, vaccinations, and antibiotics for mental disorders including various neurosis, hay fever, asthma, cancer and AIDS, claiming that "immune systems of the western population, through strong chemical drugs and repeated vaccinations, have broken down and finally admitted the diseases deeper and deeper into the human organism, to the central and peripheral nervous system."
He does not believe modern medicine extends lives, saying that "In the past, old people were getting illnesses and getting ready to die; but then they were given antibiotics, and they would go into a state of Alzheimer's and after that they would live very long... They are included in the figures for average life expectancy, but they are not alive."
He claims homeopathy can cure some cancers, but should not be used with chemotherapy and other evidence-based medicine treatments, as this supposedly makes homeopathic treatment "more difficult". He says that modern medicine will soon be recognised as a dead end, and that it needs taken apart and restructured according to the guidance of homeopaths.
Is it agreed this is a fair assessment of his views? Adam Cuerden talk 16:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
It's not exactly the most extreme views of his, anyway. I'd say that'd probably be something like:
Today, I want to make another prediction. If conventional medicine does not take notice of what we say and drastically change its practices and its logic in treating with chemical drugs; if it does not also change the direction of its research, soon diseases will go to the very centre of the organism, which is the nervous system, and most of the population on earth will be mentally ill individuals.
I do not expect that this theoretical model will be understood or appreciated soon by the medical authorities, but I think that from now on there is no excuse for ignoring the so-called side effects that conventional therapies have inflicted and are still inflicting on the human race.
Adam Cuerden talk 18:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The problem is not when you quote his writings, but when you choose the most *dramatic* quotes, insert your own phrases, "summarize" as you'd like the rest, or presenting partially his views. This part, again from his speech at the Swedish Parliament, represents with accuracy his whole view on modern medicine, health and disease: "The model suggests that all these chronic diseases, including hay fever, asthma, cancer and AIDS, are the result of wrong intervention upon the organisms by conventional medicine. It claims that the immune systems of the western population, through strong chemical drugs and repeated vaccinations, have broken down and finally admitted the diseases deeper and deeper into the human organism, to the central and peripheral nervous system. In short, this model claims that conventional medicine, instead of curing diseases, is actually the cause of the degeneration of the human race. It is also very simple for anyone to think that if conventional medicine were really curing chronic diseases, today we would have a population in the west that was healthy, mentally, emotionally and physically." That is what he says, and that is exactly what he means. By editing his text, you're giving the wrong ideas as his views. Ρresent his whole theory exactly like he describes it, not just the part it suits you. Homeopathic 04:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, we can't use his text unedited. That's a copyvio. Not that it really matters with the AfD. Adam Cuerden talk 07:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I am one of the medical doctors that have followed Vithoulkas teachings over the years. Cuerden has misunderstood and misinterpreted the interview he is referring to. Vithoulkas always ridiculed the exaggerated statements by some Indian homeopaths claiming that are curing all the cancer cases. He has been very critical on a number of issues -crazy ideas- within the homeopathic profession. No where in his teachings he is claiming of curing cancer . Even the one case he mentions in the interview leaves the doubt that may have been misdiagnosed. Concerning antibiotics and vaccinations is not only Vithoulkas who claims that they have side-effects . There is a whole literature too long to mention it here. Yet he never claimed that they have to be banned but only to be used with caution in order to minimise side-effects. I am requesting him to put up his real opinions on these matters from the video teachings of the Academy from past years for every one to see. Will he do it? I am not sure he is reading what is going on. A.K. MD 62.38.77.145 12:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I have the authority from Professor George Vithoulkas to ask you to delete his article from your wikipedia immediately. He considers this discussion unfair and biased. Maria Chorianopoulou, PhD, Assistant to Professor George Vithoulkas, maria@vithoulkas.com 213.5.45.122 17:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Lee Hunter, please can you tell us what is the official process of deleting the article about George Vithoulkas? We ask wikipedia to delete the page and they do not. Maria Chorianopoulou, PhD, Assistant to Professor George Vithoulkas, maria@vithoulkas.com 213.5.45.122 18:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Mr Dave Souza, we consider all this discussion ridiculous and biased. Please, take action so that the article about George Vithoulkas is immediately deleted. I will also inform the central office of wikipedia. Maria Chorianopoulou, PhD, Assistant to Professor George Vithoulkas, maria@vithoulkas.com 213.5.45.122 19:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if there is there anything in particilar that Vithoulakas objects to in the article. Abridged 21:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Maria--I would suggest that you look here for information about what to do next. There is also a section about dealing with edits by the subect of the article. Wikipedia guidelines ask us to take the wishes of the subject of a biography seriously:
"While Wikipedia discourages people from writing new articles about themselves or expanding existing ones significantly, subjects of articles remain welcome to edit articles to correct inaccuracies, to remove inaccurate or unsourced material, or to remove libel.
Jimmy Wales warns other editors to think twice when encountering such attempts:
"...reverting someone who is trying to remove libel about themselves is a horribly stupid thing to do."
. Given Maria's notes above, I think she may find the way the subject is presented in this article to be "unfair and biased," but it is unclear if she is referring to the article or the talk page. Abridged 22:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I just participated in the discussion about deletion of this article and did some rewrites on the text itself.
I created a top section summarizing biographical details. I created a "views" section to catch all of the quotes that the previous version had contained. I also created a section on praise and criticism and moved appropriate stuff into that section.
The views section contains some very extreme stuff. I am not an expert on this author and do not know if these few quotes are really the essense of his various positions. I think this section needs some additional work by another editor who knows more about the subject. Abridged 15:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, if you think it can be done, we could, but... well, I'm not sure how much we can do, and the AfD is a bit stifling. Adam Cuerden talk 21:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, well the RL award certainly belongs in the top bio section. Abridged 23:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
A list of his articles. I'm a little hesitant to link, though.
Adam Cuerden please stop removing material from the bio without discussion. Abridged 23:59, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I have recently begun studying homeopathy for interest's sake and have found Wikipedia to be grossly mis representative on the subject. I now have concerns with allowing my child to do school research on your site as I am concerned about what he will be absorbing and passing on. You can state selected facts while maintaining hostile undertones. Fortunately for me, you were so overt with your distaste for homeopathy I did not stop my search at your source. All I can say is READER BEWARE!
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I've removed these for two simple reasons:
1. I can't think of any simple way to describe a materia medica that wouldn't be so wordy as to be useless for a short biography. Maybe you can?
2. I don't think the V.E.S. is notable. I mean "has sold over 1,000 copies"? Adam Cuerden talk 23:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
In this edit Adam Cuerden inserted the specificier "several" before the number of books authored by the subject. It looks GV has authored at least five books, with one being a multi-volume major materia medica. The word "several" in this context seems quite biased; I would say "many" would be more accurate, but I would expect others to consider that to be biased. We could also just have "books" without any numerical indication of how many books he has written. Alternately, we coudl have the number of books he has written. What do people think? Abridged 18:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
the guy has written 5 books + 11 volumes of a materia medica. That is pretty prolific by any standard. "several" in my mind means something like three, a few, a very small number, not prolific. I think it is biased because it minimizes his contribution. does this really seem odd? Abridged 18:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
It is wrongly described as "an expert dignostic system for homeopaths[4]". It is NOT a diagnostic system. It is a tool that analyses symptoms and suggests the best possible remedy selection(s) for a case, according to a complex set of rules that take into consideration what Vithoulkas believes is important (Vithoulkas is a supporter of Hahnemannan's Classical Homeopathy, as described in Hahneman's Organon). That's the essence of it. Will try to find a phrase that describes that in a more formal way. Homeopathic 18:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Do you think "homeopathic Expert system" with a wikilink to "expert system" would be enough? I feel like the whole description you have would unbalance the article and might be more than the reader needs to know. Abridged 19:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
(refactoring from above for clarity) My strong objection is about the Views section. They do not represent Vithoulkas' views on the subject, they are incomplete, giving the wrong idea. I have already provided the part from the acceptance speech that depicts his views, in a proper way. You argued about the copyright status of the speech, that will change like his CV info and photo did, tomorrow, so it will be possible to use it to show his full & true view on the subject. Homeopathic 16:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Suggestion: Dave has found a nice secondary-source summary, and used it. Why don't we expand that synthesis with quotes from Vithoulkas, combining the two paragraphs into one? Adam Cuerden talk 11:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC) (fixed typo dave souza, talk)
You write that out of his Materia Medica Viva of 16 Vo. he has completed six!!! when at this moment Minimum price books are selling 11V of his MMViva! You have found a critic on a paragraph of his book the "Science of homeopathy" where he mentions the theory of the miasms of Hahnemann. In this context he writes that syphilis it can still be passing in the deeper organs and systems- nervous system and circulatory system- even after penicillin. And when attacked by dr.Cambell -a hard core medical man- you omit to give his answer which is in the same Journal British Medical Journal- where he gives all the medical literature that proves his point.
You choose to hide the fact that this bad critic was the only one ever of this book, that it was written in 1978 when GV brought the ideas of Hahnemann back to the forefront. You omit to say that has made several editions till today and is on the market for the last 29 years.Do you know a lot of books that are selling from a respectable publisher like Grove Press-Random house group - for so long? You do not like the fact that the most prestigious encyclopedia of Greece, Papyros Larousse Brittanica (61 Volumes)has devoted a three column article on his name. You make it sound that he is a little homeopath who by chance got all these awards.
I personally understand you very much that unwittingly became biased because you are not an expert in the field. Only experts on each subject should be allowed to interfere with biographies of others in the field if we do not want to be creating more confusion than clarification. We should try and make this excellent Wikipedia-tool more sharp rather than destroy it with bias and ignorance. Vithoulkas has himself asked that his biography be deleted from Wikipedia. I have been proposed to be one of the editors of Wikipedia. The version I am proposing- and you keep deleting- may be more acceptable to him as well.
George Vithoulkas Homeopath and Teacher of Homeopathy
Was born in Athens 25-7-1932.
According to the Greek encyclopedia “Papyros-Larousse-Britannica (Greek edition, volume 15, page 396)”He is the main reformer of homeopathy in the twentieth century. He added new dynamics in the therapeutics of homeopathy on scientific basis”.
In 1996, he was awarded with the Right Livelihood Award (also known as Alternative Nobel Prize, www.rightlivelihood.org) “…for his outstanding contribution to the revival of homeopathic knowledge and the training of homeopaths to the highest standards”.
In 2000, was honored with the Gold Medal of the Hungarian Republic, from the country’s President, Arpad Goncz, for his efforts to spread homeopathy in the world.
He received other honors as well.
He is the director of the International Academy of Classical Homeopathy in Alonissos, Greece.
Some of his books are the following:
“The Science of Homeopathy” (Published by Grove Press, 1980, USA, several editions).
“Homeopathy-Medicine of the New Man” (1st Edition 1973 by Arco USA, 21 editions after this).
“Homeopathy-Medicine for the New Millennium” (Published by International Academy of Classical Homeopathy -2003).
“Materia Medica Viva” (11 volumes–Homeopathic Pharmacology–Published by International Academy of Classical Homeopathy-not completed).
“A New Model for Health and Disease” (Published by North Atlantic Books, USA).
“Classical Homeopathy for Anxiety and Jealousy” (Published by Urs Maurer, Switzerland, 2001).
Some of his articles in peer-review journals are:
1. True but strange? Nature. 1996 Oct 3;383(6599):383, G Vithoulkas
2. Homeopathic treatment of chronic headache: a critique, Homeopathy, Volume 91, Issue 1, January 2002, Pages 32-34, G Vithoulkas
3. The need for the correct sequence of remedies, Homeopathy, Volume 91, Issue 1, January 2002, Pages 40-42, G Vithoulkas
4. The question of the “constitutional remedy”, British Homoeopathic Journal, Volume 87, Issue 3, July 1998, Pages 145-147, G Vithoulkas
5. Obstacles to homoeopathic treatment, British Homoeopathic Journal, Volume 85, Issue 1, January 1996, Page 42, G Vithoulkas
6. Health and disease in homoeopathic philosophy, British Homoeopathic Journal, Volume 84, Issue 3, July 1995, Pages 179-180, G Vithoulkas
7. The colour of the homeopathic improvement: The multidimensional nature of the response to homeopathic therapy, Homeopathy, Volume 94, Issue 3, July 2005, Pages 196-199, M. Oberbaum, SR Singer, G Vithoulkas
8. Effects of homeopathic treatment in women with premenstrual syndrome: a pilot study, British Homoeopathic Journal, Volume 90, Issue 3, July 2001, Pages 148-153, M Yakir, S Kreitler, A Bzrezinski, G Vithoulkas, M Oberbaum, Z Bentwich
9. Homoeopathic treatment of premenstrual syndrome: a pilot study, British Homoeopathic Journal, Volume 84, Issue 3, July 1995, Pages 182-183, M Yakir, S Kreitler, M Oberbaum, A Bzizinsky, G Vithoulkas, Z Bentwich
10. A working hypothesis for homoeopathic microdiluted remedies, British Homoeopathic Journal, Volume 81, Issue 1, January 1992, Page 67, GS Anagnostatos, G Vithoulkas, P Garzonis, C Tavouxoglou
11. Clinical trials of classical homeopathy: reflections on appropriate research designs, J Altern Complement Med 2003 Feb;9(1):105-11. Review, M Oberbaum, G Vithoulkas, R van Haselen.
Miri Rozenberg
11:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)An Objective Homeopath-Miri Rozenberg
The edit summary here says one thing, but the included quote says another. There's a world of difference between being widely considered to be "the greatest" and "widely considered to be one ..." of(?) "the greatest". So what's the original quote actually say? Please provide the URL and include it in the reference. -- Fyslee ( collaborate) 09:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed the following chunk
In 1978 Anthony Campbell, then a consultant physician at The Royal London Homeopathic Hospital, [1] [2] reviewed The Science of Homoeopathy. He criticised Vithoulkas for substituting assertion for hard evidence and constructing what Campbell felt was an almost meaningless argument on the basis of a dubious theory of disease. He described rhetoric put forward by Vithoulkas (in presenting the argument that "allopathic drugging" is harmful and must be avoided) as including a thoroughly irresponsible statement which could mislead an unfortunate layman into refusing orthodox treatment. However, he felt the book also provided a good, if dogmatic, description of the principles and practice of "classical" homoeopathy. [3] [1]
My reasoning is first of all that the review is thirty years old and so hardly representative of how his ideas are regarded today either inside or outside of the homeopathic world. Secondly, as per WP:BLP the lengthy treatment of a single, ancient book review gives undue weight to criticism. -- Lee Hunter 11:33, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I've thrown together a stub. Adam Cuerden talk 13:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
From WP:BLP: Editors should be on the lookout for biased or malicious content in biographies or biographical information. If someone appears to be pushing an agenda or a biased point of view, insist on reliable third-party published sources and a clear demonstration of relevance to the person's notability...The views of critics should be represented if their views are relevant to the subject's notability and are based on reliable sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to side with the critics' material. Be careful not to give a disproportionate amount of space to critics, to avoid the effect of representing a minority view as if it were the majority one. If the criticism represents the views of a tiny minority, it has no place in the article. -- Lee Hunter 19:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
References
I found this, which says
Most other contemporary ‘modern’ approaches, on the other hand, developed out of the Kent school. That many depart from and thereby dilute the original ‘Kentian’ homoeopathy may only be pointed out as an aside. It is enough to mention Rajan Sankaran and his ‘central delusion’, or the ‘Athens School’, initiated by George Vithoulkas. They all have in common that they stress the importance of the mental symptoms, without clearly distinguishing between symptoms and ‘non-symptoms’. There are even schools who believe that physical symptoms are irrelevant, at times even misleading and that only mind and personality matter. When a potentised remedy is then given, all changes, also those in the mood of the patient, are ascribed to the effect of the remedy. What is totally overlooked is that such, to a great extent, marginal changes can equally be the effect of the placebo effect or of the consultation. Such an intensive and intimate talk is often sufficient to markedly influence the mind of the patient. Not everything which happens is due to the influence of the remedy.
Is this worth citing? I stumbled upon it while looking for any responses to something Vithoulkas had said.
Moscowitz is a homeopathic MD with an excellent reputation and the piece looks well written. I think it is a really good source. I would argue for letting the top section neutrally outline the subjects career accomplishments rather than injecting a lot of commentary up there (ie--let it say he wrote this and that book, not what various folks thought about this and that book), even if it seems a little "tepid". I think we should use the "views" section and the "praise and criticism" sections hold the information you are referring to. The challenge is that most readers won't know much about homeopathy to begin with, so presenting essential aspects of the GV school, then getting into technical differences between schools and the pro and con criticisms will be difficult and might even be beyond the scope of a biographical article. Abridged 18:13, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Abridged 18:13, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Vithoulkas is one of the most important figures in the history of Homeopathy. Ofcourse he has received critisism, but the international awards and recognition he has received, prove who he is. No other homeopath during this century has played such an important role. This fact can not be ignored, and has to be depicted in the WP page. My final two cents. Homeopathic 19:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
As far as I know George Vithoulkas does not recommend to stop allopathic medications. An Objective Homeopath Miri Rozenberg 08:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC) — Miri Rozenberg ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
P. Which are the possibilities of homeopathic treatment in very advanced pathological cases?
In this group we have end-stages of diseases, like cancer, liver cirrhosis, juvenile diabetes, long standing diabetes that need insulin, long standing Parkinson, neuromuscular diseases, amyatrophic lateral sclerosis, muscular dystrophy, myopathy, myasthenia, brain strokes, spastic and autistic children, long standing epilepsy, long standing asthma with emphysema, serious heart conditions, serious mental disorders like schizophrenia, homeopathy can offer very little help in very few of such cases. There are few successes in such cases that made some over-enthusiastic homeopaths to believe or to claim that homeopathy can intervene and cure everything. The truth of the matter is that for such cases we have success only in a few cases. For these groups of diseases the practitioner will need the chemical drugs of conventional medicine in order to control the situation. An Objective Homeopath
Miri Rozenberg
12:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Why are we quoting the people in this section?
I'm sure we can find equivalent quotes from people of actual note. These people are just minor homeopaths that wrote a single (maybe?) popular book. Adam Cuerden talk 20:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
References
How about putting GV's actual degree in the article rather than inserting and removing the phrase stating that he doesn't have an MD? That would make it perfectly clear that is degree is not an MD, and might dispell anon's concerns. I don't know what degree he has, but will look and change the article to reflect. Abridged talk 19:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
This site has something pretty close: "Indian Institute of Homoeopathic, Bahola, Gandhi Nagar, Bangalore." Could this have been the "Indian Institute of Homeopathy in 1966"? Is the location the same? From the site:
-- Fyslee/ talk 20:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually, if I recall correctly, all honorifics are to be avoided according to the WP:MOS. So just call him "Vithoulkas". No Mr., Dr., or whatever. MastCell Talk 22:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I tried under the spelling popular in India, Homoeopathy. Oddly enough, this comes up with someone from the same graduation year: [12] In any case, Vithoulkas' site often prefers translations not in use anywhere else, so it might just be a translated into Greek and back problem. Adam Cuerden talk 02:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
http://knol.google.com/k/george-vithoulkas/homeopathy/3sen01jd43wfi/2#
This is Vithoulkas's opinion on the relationship between homeopathy and conventional medecine.
Are both medical approaches necessary?
(Conventional medicine and homeopathy)
They certainly are. There is no doubt that there has been a misunderstanding in relation to the therapeutic limits of each method. This has occurred for many reasons, mainly however due to attempts made by homeopaths to make the new approach known. For this reason the results of cures have been exaggerated by homeopaths in order to impress. There is however another far more serious reason. Since the area around this new approach is somewhat turgid, many have abused it to their own advantage, promising that they can cure everything, such as cancer, schizophrenia, AIDS, obesity or smoking. All these announcements take place either in public or in private medicine, in order to attract a greater number of patients. For this reason homeopathy has been presented as unreliable, with the result that an undeclared war broke out among the two approaches, and both sides ended up by having recourse to extreme arguments. -- CLRJAMES2000 ( talk) 05:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
This is what he actually believes. If you think that his statements contradict each other, please try to indicate it in the article. Removing the sentence distorts his views, which would not be appopriate.-- CLRJAMES2000 ( talk) 07:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
http://www.vithoulkas.com/ Vithoulkas's website is a good source - I do believe .Look at his knol.-- CLRJAMES2000 ( talk) 08:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I understand that this section could include from the beginning for the sake of clarification that GV himself is a non-medically qualified practitioner by orthodox medical standards and in fact has received no university education ever in any field; this in connection to the fact he has been educating medical graduates in homeopathy and opines on complex medical matters. Polyklinj ( talk) 04:01, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
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https://www.vithoulkas.com/research/clinical-trial-randi http://archive.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/235-george-vithoulkas-homeopathy-challenge-starting-anew.html
Randi said "The brouhaha that began as a comprehensive homeopathy test In Greece, has been consuming far too much of my time and attention, and of my colleagues, as well. Forget all previous correspondence exchanged on the subject. What appears HERE is the current status" ....
And Vithoulkas says Mr Randi after this false experiment (ignoring all other experiments that showed the effect of homeopathy) declared in his website ( http://www.randi.org/) that whoever could prove the validity of the action of a homeopathically potentized remedy beyond the Avogadro number would be winning one million $ as a prize.
Mr Vithoulkas according to his website propsoed "a new experiment was conceived that would prove that the highly potentized remedies could actually have a biological effect upon the human organism.
The experiment was simple: An individualized remedy would be given to a number of patients in a double blind fashion and half of the patients would receive placebo the other half would get the real remedy. The Greek Homeopathic physicians that would participate in taking of the cases and prescribing the remedies should point out in the end of the experiment the ones that they had got the real remedy.
The protocol was structured by a group of internationally known scientists and the experiment had to take place in one of the hospitals in Athens"
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The old page was a Copyvio of [1], and had to go. It may be remakable. Adam Cuerden talk 23:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I've given an actual quote from Vithoulkas where he implies antibiotics cause Alzheimer's. This is someone who supposedly doesn't object to antibiotics? Adam Cuerden talk 16:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, i'll try to explain this as best as i can. Obviously i'm not G.V., but an MD who has studied and practiced Homeopathy for years, and i can more or less explain a few things about his writings. Regarding Antibiotics, he says that they are being abused, and that (in conjuction with the abuse of vaxinations) are leading to serious chronic diseases (including Alzheimer's, Cancer, Autoimmune diseases, you name it). He does NOT claim that Antibiotics should NOT be used, but rather that they should be used carefully. It's a whole theory you're not familiar with and it can not be explained in a few lines here, you need to read his books to understand. Saying that he says NOT to use Antibiotics, NOT to use Vaxines, NOT to use chemotherapy, is not what he supports. You will not find such a thing written anywhere - that is your understanding, by reading one article, and jumping to conclusions. One more thing: he does not say not to use homeopathy along with Chemotherapy, or other evidence-based techniques, but that in this case, the effect of Homeopathic remedies are a lot less effective, or in some cases, not effective at all. This differs from what you wrote, about the "should not be used" part & "makes it more difficult". Hope you understand. Homeopathic 17:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Right. Thank you for an excellent reference about his distrust of vaccinations:
"Anxiety neurosis, compulsive neurosis, and in general mental disorders of a severe nature from which millions of patients are suffering in the western world, are almost unknown in these groups that have not had the "benefit" of modern medicine and vaccinations."
And, what's more: "The model suggests that all these chronic diseases, including hay fever, asthma, cancer and AIDS, are the result of wrong intervention upon the organisms by conventional medicine. It claims that the immune systems of the western population, through strong chemical drugs and repeated vaccinations, have broken down and finally admitted the diseases deeper and deeper into the human organism, to the central and peripheral nervous system."
Which is definately suitable for the article.
"In short, this model claims that conventional medicine, instead of curing diseases, is actually the cause of the degeneration of the human race."
Weren't you trying to tell me he wasn't against all conventional medicine?
"Due to this model, I had already, in 1970, predicted the appearance of AIDS, saying to a group of medical doctors in Athens that if conventional medicine continued to use antibiotics the way it did, there would come a time when the immune system would break down and new incurable diseases would emerge. It was an unfortunate but precise and timely prediction of the appearance of AIDS."
HE CLAIMS ANTIBIOTICS CREATED AIDS?!
You're right, that is an excellent introduction. I never would have believed he was that far out there had I not read it. Adam Cuerden talk 18:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Right. Let's try this suggestion:
He claims that "conventional medicine, instead of curing diseases, is actually the cause of the degeneration of the human race." He blames modern medicine, vaccinations, and antibiotics for mental disorders including various neurosis, hay fever, asthma, cancer and AIDS, claiming that "immune systems of the western population, through strong chemical drugs and repeated vaccinations, have broken down and finally admitted the diseases deeper and deeper into the human organism, to the central and peripheral nervous system."
He does not believe modern medicine extends lives, saying that "In the past, old people were getting illnesses and getting ready to die; but then they were given antibiotics, and they would go into a state of Alzheimer's and after that they would live very long... They are included in the figures for average life expectancy, but they are not alive."
He claims homeopathy can cure some cancers, but should not be used with chemotherapy and other evidence-based medicine treatments, as this supposedly makes homeopathic treatment "more difficult". He says that modern medicine will soon be recognised as a dead end, and that it needs taken apart and restructured according to the guidance of homeopaths.
Is it agreed this is a fair assessment of his views? Adam Cuerden talk 16:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
It's not exactly the most extreme views of his, anyway. I'd say that'd probably be something like:
Today, I want to make another prediction. If conventional medicine does not take notice of what we say and drastically change its practices and its logic in treating with chemical drugs; if it does not also change the direction of its research, soon diseases will go to the very centre of the organism, which is the nervous system, and most of the population on earth will be mentally ill individuals.
I do not expect that this theoretical model will be understood or appreciated soon by the medical authorities, but I think that from now on there is no excuse for ignoring the so-called side effects that conventional therapies have inflicted and are still inflicting on the human race.
Adam Cuerden talk 18:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The problem is not when you quote his writings, but when you choose the most *dramatic* quotes, insert your own phrases, "summarize" as you'd like the rest, or presenting partially his views. This part, again from his speech at the Swedish Parliament, represents with accuracy his whole view on modern medicine, health and disease: "The model suggests that all these chronic diseases, including hay fever, asthma, cancer and AIDS, are the result of wrong intervention upon the organisms by conventional medicine. It claims that the immune systems of the western population, through strong chemical drugs and repeated vaccinations, have broken down and finally admitted the diseases deeper and deeper into the human organism, to the central and peripheral nervous system. In short, this model claims that conventional medicine, instead of curing diseases, is actually the cause of the degeneration of the human race. It is also very simple for anyone to think that if conventional medicine were really curing chronic diseases, today we would have a population in the west that was healthy, mentally, emotionally and physically." That is what he says, and that is exactly what he means. By editing his text, you're giving the wrong ideas as his views. Ρresent his whole theory exactly like he describes it, not just the part it suits you. Homeopathic 04:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, we can't use his text unedited. That's a copyvio. Not that it really matters with the AfD. Adam Cuerden talk 07:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I am one of the medical doctors that have followed Vithoulkas teachings over the years. Cuerden has misunderstood and misinterpreted the interview he is referring to. Vithoulkas always ridiculed the exaggerated statements by some Indian homeopaths claiming that are curing all the cancer cases. He has been very critical on a number of issues -crazy ideas- within the homeopathic profession. No where in his teachings he is claiming of curing cancer . Even the one case he mentions in the interview leaves the doubt that may have been misdiagnosed. Concerning antibiotics and vaccinations is not only Vithoulkas who claims that they have side-effects . There is a whole literature too long to mention it here. Yet he never claimed that they have to be banned but only to be used with caution in order to minimise side-effects. I am requesting him to put up his real opinions on these matters from the video teachings of the Academy from past years for every one to see. Will he do it? I am not sure he is reading what is going on. A.K. MD 62.38.77.145 12:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I have the authority from Professor George Vithoulkas to ask you to delete his article from your wikipedia immediately. He considers this discussion unfair and biased. Maria Chorianopoulou, PhD, Assistant to Professor George Vithoulkas, maria@vithoulkas.com 213.5.45.122 17:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Lee Hunter, please can you tell us what is the official process of deleting the article about George Vithoulkas? We ask wikipedia to delete the page and they do not. Maria Chorianopoulou, PhD, Assistant to Professor George Vithoulkas, maria@vithoulkas.com 213.5.45.122 18:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Mr Dave Souza, we consider all this discussion ridiculous and biased. Please, take action so that the article about George Vithoulkas is immediately deleted. I will also inform the central office of wikipedia. Maria Chorianopoulou, PhD, Assistant to Professor George Vithoulkas, maria@vithoulkas.com 213.5.45.122 19:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if there is there anything in particilar that Vithoulakas objects to in the article. Abridged 21:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Maria--I would suggest that you look here for information about what to do next. There is also a section about dealing with edits by the subect of the article. Wikipedia guidelines ask us to take the wishes of the subject of a biography seriously:
"While Wikipedia discourages people from writing new articles about themselves or expanding existing ones significantly, subjects of articles remain welcome to edit articles to correct inaccuracies, to remove inaccurate or unsourced material, or to remove libel.
Jimmy Wales warns other editors to think twice when encountering such attempts:
"...reverting someone who is trying to remove libel about themselves is a horribly stupid thing to do."
. Given Maria's notes above, I think she may find the way the subject is presented in this article to be "unfair and biased," but it is unclear if she is referring to the article or the talk page. Abridged 22:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I just participated in the discussion about deletion of this article and did some rewrites on the text itself.
I created a top section summarizing biographical details. I created a "views" section to catch all of the quotes that the previous version had contained. I also created a section on praise and criticism and moved appropriate stuff into that section.
The views section contains some very extreme stuff. I am not an expert on this author and do not know if these few quotes are really the essense of his various positions. I think this section needs some additional work by another editor who knows more about the subject. Abridged 15:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, if you think it can be done, we could, but... well, I'm not sure how much we can do, and the AfD is a bit stifling. Adam Cuerden talk 21:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, well the RL award certainly belongs in the top bio section. Abridged 23:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
A list of his articles. I'm a little hesitant to link, though.
Adam Cuerden please stop removing material from the bio without discussion. Abridged 23:59, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I have recently begun studying homeopathy for interest's sake and have found Wikipedia to be grossly mis representative on the subject. I now have concerns with allowing my child to do school research on your site as I am concerned about what he will be absorbing and passing on. You can state selected facts while maintaining hostile undertones. Fortunately for me, you were so overt with your distaste for homeopathy I did not stop my search at your source. All I can say is READER BEWARE!
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I've removed these for two simple reasons:
1. I can't think of any simple way to describe a materia medica that wouldn't be so wordy as to be useless for a short biography. Maybe you can?
2. I don't think the V.E.S. is notable. I mean "has sold over 1,000 copies"? Adam Cuerden talk 23:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
In this edit Adam Cuerden inserted the specificier "several" before the number of books authored by the subject. It looks GV has authored at least five books, with one being a multi-volume major materia medica. The word "several" in this context seems quite biased; I would say "many" would be more accurate, but I would expect others to consider that to be biased. We could also just have "books" without any numerical indication of how many books he has written. Alternately, we coudl have the number of books he has written. What do people think? Abridged 18:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
the guy has written 5 books + 11 volumes of a materia medica. That is pretty prolific by any standard. "several" in my mind means something like three, a few, a very small number, not prolific. I think it is biased because it minimizes his contribution. does this really seem odd? Abridged 18:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
It is wrongly described as "an expert dignostic system for homeopaths[4]". It is NOT a diagnostic system. It is a tool that analyses symptoms and suggests the best possible remedy selection(s) for a case, according to a complex set of rules that take into consideration what Vithoulkas believes is important (Vithoulkas is a supporter of Hahnemannan's Classical Homeopathy, as described in Hahneman's Organon). That's the essence of it. Will try to find a phrase that describes that in a more formal way. Homeopathic 18:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Do you think "homeopathic Expert system" with a wikilink to "expert system" would be enough? I feel like the whole description you have would unbalance the article and might be more than the reader needs to know. Abridged 19:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
(refactoring from above for clarity) My strong objection is about the Views section. They do not represent Vithoulkas' views on the subject, they are incomplete, giving the wrong idea. I have already provided the part from the acceptance speech that depicts his views, in a proper way. You argued about the copyright status of the speech, that will change like his CV info and photo did, tomorrow, so it will be possible to use it to show his full & true view on the subject. Homeopathic 16:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Suggestion: Dave has found a nice secondary-source summary, and used it. Why don't we expand that synthesis with quotes from Vithoulkas, combining the two paragraphs into one? Adam Cuerden talk 11:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC) (fixed typo dave souza, talk)
You write that out of his Materia Medica Viva of 16 Vo. he has completed six!!! when at this moment Minimum price books are selling 11V of his MMViva! You have found a critic on a paragraph of his book the "Science of homeopathy" where he mentions the theory of the miasms of Hahnemann. In this context he writes that syphilis it can still be passing in the deeper organs and systems- nervous system and circulatory system- even after penicillin. And when attacked by dr.Cambell -a hard core medical man- you omit to give his answer which is in the same Journal British Medical Journal- where he gives all the medical literature that proves his point.
You choose to hide the fact that this bad critic was the only one ever of this book, that it was written in 1978 when GV brought the ideas of Hahnemann back to the forefront. You omit to say that has made several editions till today and is on the market for the last 29 years.Do you know a lot of books that are selling from a respectable publisher like Grove Press-Random house group - for so long? You do not like the fact that the most prestigious encyclopedia of Greece, Papyros Larousse Brittanica (61 Volumes)has devoted a three column article on his name. You make it sound that he is a little homeopath who by chance got all these awards.
I personally understand you very much that unwittingly became biased because you are not an expert in the field. Only experts on each subject should be allowed to interfere with biographies of others in the field if we do not want to be creating more confusion than clarification. We should try and make this excellent Wikipedia-tool more sharp rather than destroy it with bias and ignorance. Vithoulkas has himself asked that his biography be deleted from Wikipedia. I have been proposed to be one of the editors of Wikipedia. The version I am proposing- and you keep deleting- may be more acceptable to him as well.
George Vithoulkas Homeopath and Teacher of Homeopathy
Was born in Athens 25-7-1932.
According to the Greek encyclopedia “Papyros-Larousse-Britannica (Greek edition, volume 15, page 396)”He is the main reformer of homeopathy in the twentieth century. He added new dynamics in the therapeutics of homeopathy on scientific basis”.
In 1996, he was awarded with the Right Livelihood Award (also known as Alternative Nobel Prize, www.rightlivelihood.org) “…for his outstanding contribution to the revival of homeopathic knowledge and the training of homeopaths to the highest standards”.
In 2000, was honored with the Gold Medal of the Hungarian Republic, from the country’s President, Arpad Goncz, for his efforts to spread homeopathy in the world.
He received other honors as well.
He is the director of the International Academy of Classical Homeopathy in Alonissos, Greece.
Some of his books are the following:
“The Science of Homeopathy” (Published by Grove Press, 1980, USA, several editions).
“Homeopathy-Medicine of the New Man” (1st Edition 1973 by Arco USA, 21 editions after this).
“Homeopathy-Medicine for the New Millennium” (Published by International Academy of Classical Homeopathy -2003).
“Materia Medica Viva” (11 volumes–Homeopathic Pharmacology–Published by International Academy of Classical Homeopathy-not completed).
“A New Model for Health and Disease” (Published by North Atlantic Books, USA).
“Classical Homeopathy for Anxiety and Jealousy” (Published by Urs Maurer, Switzerland, 2001).
Some of his articles in peer-review journals are:
1. True but strange? Nature. 1996 Oct 3;383(6599):383, G Vithoulkas
2. Homeopathic treatment of chronic headache: a critique, Homeopathy, Volume 91, Issue 1, January 2002, Pages 32-34, G Vithoulkas
3. The need for the correct sequence of remedies, Homeopathy, Volume 91, Issue 1, January 2002, Pages 40-42, G Vithoulkas
4. The question of the “constitutional remedy”, British Homoeopathic Journal, Volume 87, Issue 3, July 1998, Pages 145-147, G Vithoulkas
5. Obstacles to homoeopathic treatment, British Homoeopathic Journal, Volume 85, Issue 1, January 1996, Page 42, G Vithoulkas
6. Health and disease in homoeopathic philosophy, British Homoeopathic Journal, Volume 84, Issue 3, July 1995, Pages 179-180, G Vithoulkas
7. The colour of the homeopathic improvement: The multidimensional nature of the response to homeopathic therapy, Homeopathy, Volume 94, Issue 3, July 2005, Pages 196-199, M. Oberbaum, SR Singer, G Vithoulkas
8. Effects of homeopathic treatment in women with premenstrual syndrome: a pilot study, British Homoeopathic Journal, Volume 90, Issue 3, July 2001, Pages 148-153, M Yakir, S Kreitler, A Bzrezinski, G Vithoulkas, M Oberbaum, Z Bentwich
9. Homoeopathic treatment of premenstrual syndrome: a pilot study, British Homoeopathic Journal, Volume 84, Issue 3, July 1995, Pages 182-183, M Yakir, S Kreitler, M Oberbaum, A Bzizinsky, G Vithoulkas, Z Bentwich
10. A working hypothesis for homoeopathic microdiluted remedies, British Homoeopathic Journal, Volume 81, Issue 1, January 1992, Page 67, GS Anagnostatos, G Vithoulkas, P Garzonis, C Tavouxoglou
11. Clinical trials of classical homeopathy: reflections on appropriate research designs, J Altern Complement Med 2003 Feb;9(1):105-11. Review, M Oberbaum, G Vithoulkas, R van Haselen.
Miri Rozenberg
11:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)An Objective Homeopath-Miri Rozenberg
The edit summary here says one thing, but the included quote says another. There's a world of difference between being widely considered to be "the greatest" and "widely considered to be one ..." of(?) "the greatest". So what's the original quote actually say? Please provide the URL and include it in the reference. -- Fyslee ( collaborate) 09:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed the following chunk
In 1978 Anthony Campbell, then a consultant physician at The Royal London Homeopathic Hospital, [1] [2] reviewed The Science of Homoeopathy. He criticised Vithoulkas for substituting assertion for hard evidence and constructing what Campbell felt was an almost meaningless argument on the basis of a dubious theory of disease. He described rhetoric put forward by Vithoulkas (in presenting the argument that "allopathic drugging" is harmful and must be avoided) as including a thoroughly irresponsible statement which could mislead an unfortunate layman into refusing orthodox treatment. However, he felt the book also provided a good, if dogmatic, description of the principles and practice of "classical" homoeopathy. [3] [1]
My reasoning is first of all that the review is thirty years old and so hardly representative of how his ideas are regarded today either inside or outside of the homeopathic world. Secondly, as per WP:BLP the lengthy treatment of a single, ancient book review gives undue weight to criticism. -- Lee Hunter 11:33, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I've thrown together a stub. Adam Cuerden talk 13:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
From WP:BLP: Editors should be on the lookout for biased or malicious content in biographies or biographical information. If someone appears to be pushing an agenda or a biased point of view, insist on reliable third-party published sources and a clear demonstration of relevance to the person's notability...The views of critics should be represented if their views are relevant to the subject's notability and are based on reliable sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to side with the critics' material. Be careful not to give a disproportionate amount of space to critics, to avoid the effect of representing a minority view as if it were the majority one. If the criticism represents the views of a tiny minority, it has no place in the article. -- Lee Hunter 19:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
References
I found this, which says
Most other contemporary ‘modern’ approaches, on the other hand, developed out of the Kent school. That many depart from and thereby dilute the original ‘Kentian’ homoeopathy may only be pointed out as an aside. It is enough to mention Rajan Sankaran and his ‘central delusion’, or the ‘Athens School’, initiated by George Vithoulkas. They all have in common that they stress the importance of the mental symptoms, without clearly distinguishing between symptoms and ‘non-symptoms’. There are even schools who believe that physical symptoms are irrelevant, at times even misleading and that only mind and personality matter. When a potentised remedy is then given, all changes, also those in the mood of the patient, are ascribed to the effect of the remedy. What is totally overlooked is that such, to a great extent, marginal changes can equally be the effect of the placebo effect or of the consultation. Such an intensive and intimate talk is often sufficient to markedly influence the mind of the patient. Not everything which happens is due to the influence of the remedy.
Is this worth citing? I stumbled upon it while looking for any responses to something Vithoulkas had said.
Moscowitz is a homeopathic MD with an excellent reputation and the piece looks well written. I think it is a really good source. I would argue for letting the top section neutrally outline the subjects career accomplishments rather than injecting a lot of commentary up there (ie--let it say he wrote this and that book, not what various folks thought about this and that book), even if it seems a little "tepid". I think we should use the "views" section and the "praise and criticism" sections hold the information you are referring to. The challenge is that most readers won't know much about homeopathy to begin with, so presenting essential aspects of the GV school, then getting into technical differences between schools and the pro and con criticisms will be difficult and might even be beyond the scope of a biographical article. Abridged 18:13, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Abridged 18:13, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Vithoulkas is one of the most important figures in the history of Homeopathy. Ofcourse he has received critisism, but the international awards and recognition he has received, prove who he is. No other homeopath during this century has played such an important role. This fact can not be ignored, and has to be depicted in the WP page. My final two cents. Homeopathic 19:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
As far as I know George Vithoulkas does not recommend to stop allopathic medications. An Objective Homeopath Miri Rozenberg 08:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC) — Miri Rozenberg ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
P. Which are the possibilities of homeopathic treatment in very advanced pathological cases?
In this group we have end-stages of diseases, like cancer, liver cirrhosis, juvenile diabetes, long standing diabetes that need insulin, long standing Parkinson, neuromuscular diseases, amyatrophic lateral sclerosis, muscular dystrophy, myopathy, myasthenia, brain strokes, spastic and autistic children, long standing epilepsy, long standing asthma with emphysema, serious heart conditions, serious mental disorders like schizophrenia, homeopathy can offer very little help in very few of such cases. There are few successes in such cases that made some over-enthusiastic homeopaths to believe or to claim that homeopathy can intervene and cure everything. The truth of the matter is that for such cases we have success only in a few cases. For these groups of diseases the practitioner will need the chemical drugs of conventional medicine in order to control the situation. An Objective Homeopath
Miri Rozenberg
12:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Why are we quoting the people in this section?
I'm sure we can find equivalent quotes from people of actual note. These people are just minor homeopaths that wrote a single (maybe?) popular book. Adam Cuerden talk 20:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
References
How about putting GV's actual degree in the article rather than inserting and removing the phrase stating that he doesn't have an MD? That would make it perfectly clear that is degree is not an MD, and might dispell anon's concerns. I don't know what degree he has, but will look and change the article to reflect. Abridged talk 19:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
This site has something pretty close: "Indian Institute of Homoeopathic, Bahola, Gandhi Nagar, Bangalore." Could this have been the "Indian Institute of Homeopathy in 1966"? Is the location the same? From the site:
-- Fyslee/ talk 20:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually, if I recall correctly, all honorifics are to be avoided according to the WP:MOS. So just call him "Vithoulkas". No Mr., Dr., or whatever. MastCell Talk 22:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I tried under the spelling popular in India, Homoeopathy. Oddly enough, this comes up with someone from the same graduation year: [12] In any case, Vithoulkas' site often prefers translations not in use anywhere else, so it might just be a translated into Greek and back problem. Adam Cuerden talk 02:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
http://knol.google.com/k/george-vithoulkas/homeopathy/3sen01jd43wfi/2#
This is Vithoulkas's opinion on the relationship between homeopathy and conventional medecine.
Are both medical approaches necessary?
(Conventional medicine and homeopathy)
They certainly are. There is no doubt that there has been a misunderstanding in relation to the therapeutic limits of each method. This has occurred for many reasons, mainly however due to attempts made by homeopaths to make the new approach known. For this reason the results of cures have been exaggerated by homeopaths in order to impress. There is however another far more serious reason. Since the area around this new approach is somewhat turgid, many have abused it to their own advantage, promising that they can cure everything, such as cancer, schizophrenia, AIDS, obesity or smoking. All these announcements take place either in public or in private medicine, in order to attract a greater number of patients. For this reason homeopathy has been presented as unreliable, with the result that an undeclared war broke out among the two approaches, and both sides ended up by having recourse to extreme arguments. -- CLRJAMES2000 ( talk) 05:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
This is what he actually believes. If you think that his statements contradict each other, please try to indicate it in the article. Removing the sentence distorts his views, which would not be appopriate.-- CLRJAMES2000 ( talk) 07:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
http://www.vithoulkas.com/ Vithoulkas's website is a good source - I do believe .Look at his knol.-- CLRJAMES2000 ( talk) 08:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I understand that this section could include from the beginning for the sake of clarification that GV himself is a non-medically qualified practitioner by orthodox medical standards and in fact has received no university education ever in any field; this in connection to the fact he has been educating medical graduates in homeopathy and opines on complex medical matters. Polyklinj ( talk) 04:01, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
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https://www.vithoulkas.com/research/clinical-trial-randi http://archive.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/235-george-vithoulkas-homeopathy-challenge-starting-anew.html
Randi said "The brouhaha that began as a comprehensive homeopathy test In Greece, has been consuming far too much of my time and attention, and of my colleagues, as well. Forget all previous correspondence exchanged on the subject. What appears HERE is the current status" ....
And Vithoulkas says Mr Randi after this false experiment (ignoring all other experiments that showed the effect of homeopathy) declared in his website ( http://www.randi.org/) that whoever could prove the validity of the action of a homeopathically potentized remedy beyond the Avogadro number would be winning one million $ as a prize.
Mr Vithoulkas according to his website propsoed "a new experiment was conceived that would prove that the highly potentized remedies could actually have a biological effect upon the human organism.
The experiment was simple: An individualized remedy would be given to a number of patients in a double blind fashion and half of the patients would receive placebo the other half would get the real remedy. The Greek Homeopathic physicians that would participate in taking of the cases and prescribing the remedies should point out in the end of the experiment the ones that they had got the real remedy.
The protocol was structured by a group of internationally known scientists and the experiment had to take place in one of the hospitals in Athens"