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This asserts that Boutwell was a Presidential elector for Bryan in 1900; should that be ran for? He was not an Elector unless his slate took the state, and Boutwell lived in Massachusetts, which went for McKinley. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:42, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I recommend that this article be improved. Any objections? Cmguy777 ( talk) 21:04, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
On 3-23-2013 I deleted an incorrect reference to the 13th Amendment from the Boutwell article, and my change appeared in the Boutwell article. I included a reference to a source to explain why I made that deletion. After doing so, I hadn't looked at the Boutwell article until today; now I see that my change is apparently still in the article, but I cannot find any history of my change in the View history area. Does that indicate that something is wrong with the way the View history area for this article is working? RW7890 ( talk) 20:59, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Mr. Strummer. I obviously don't know my way around; I see my contribution all spelled out as I wrote it when I click on the "your edit" link you provided but I still nothing about it when I click on the Boutwell article's View History. On 15 May I saw nothing in the my Contributions area, but today when I go to my Contributions area I see the Boutwell contribution that I made. RW7890 ( talk) 21:21, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
I removed undo criticism of Secretary Boutwell and POV. Wikipedia is not meant to bash a person's reputation whether alive or dead. The following has been removed from the article.
Boutwell was also involved, implicated, and investigated in the notorious
Crédit Mobilier scandal of 1872, which please see.
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15:17, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Recent anonymous edits have added the claim that Boutwell "may have been chiefly interested in quarantining African-Americans in the South where they could not compete for the wages of Northern working men." This claim cites an article by Gene Dattel ( link to article PDF), in which he argues that Boutwell supported the idea that several Southern states be "designated exclusive black states". In support of this Dattel quotes a Boutwell speech dated July 20, 1866 (full text available here). The problem is, Dattel's analysis is flawed, and the speech does not IMHO support this claim. Boutwell's argument in the speech is, that if a just policy is not enacted (in Boutwell's opinion, one requiring suffrage for African Americans before a rebellious state is readmitted), then blacks would move north to states where they had voting rights. He's describing this migration as a consequence of a policy he opposes, and is not putting forward any sort of argument about either isolation or "quarantine" (the word presently used in this article).
I have no particular evidence whether Boutwell shared the not-uncommon racist views of many Northern politicians, but this bit does not strike me as a good indicator either way. Dattel's assertion strikes me as a bit of a fringe view, and should (if it is retained at all) not be expressed in the editorial voice. Magic ♪piano 04:19, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
1. The edit says that Boutwell "*may* have been chiefly interested in quarantining African-Americans in the South..." It does *not* say that Boutwell definitely held that view. Thus, the language of the Wikipedia article is moderated from (source) Gene Dattel's statement that "Boutwell advocated civil rights for blacks to keep them in the South."
2. Boutwell's speech states:
"I bid the people, the working peoples of the North, the men who are struggling for subsistence to beware the day when the Southern freedmen shall swarm over the borders in quest of rights which should be secured to them in their own states...An unjust policy on our part...forces [the freedman] from [his] home to those [Northern] states where his rights are protected to the injury of the black man and white man in the North."
Since less than 2% of the population of the Northern states were blacks (as compared to 40% in the South) Boutwell's remark was targeted at the racial fears among the white Northern working class that a migration of freedmen from the South into the Northern states would produce massive new competition for jobs.
3. Gene Dattel's conclusion stated in his September 2015 article is not a fringe opinion. Historian Avery Craven echoed the same verdict in his 1969 book, "Reconstruction,"which is cited at the end of the applicable paragraph in the Wikipedia article. Finally, Gene Dattell is not a "fringe" historian. His book "Cotton and Race in the Making of America" is praised by many respected critics, historians and academic journals. 96.59.84.189 ( talk) 15:02, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
MagicPiano needs to supply evidence, beyond his HO, that Boutwell did not intend to discourage blacks from moving into the Northern states when the Congressman said that failing to give blacks the political rights in the South that they held in *some* Northern states would lead the blacks to "swarm across the borders" into the Northern states. The Congressman further amplified his prediction that a failure of his political agenda would lead to "the bitter penalty (for Northern whites) of transgression" (.i.e. black migration) into the overwhelmingly white Northern states.
Thus, Boutwell's own words clarify that he was aware his political agenda would discourage blacks from migrating to the North from the South and that such discouragement would benefit his voter constituency, which was over 98% white.
It is important to note that Boutwell mentioned no concerns about Southern *white* migration into the Northern states. Instead he revealed his own underlying racism by only warning against *black* migration. HIs racism is further disclosed by his segregationist proposal to set aside Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina as states reserved exclusively for blacks.
I have provided three sources indicating that Boutwell desired to block black migration into the Northern states. In contrast, MagicPiano has provided *no* citations supporting his HO that Boutwell did *not* have such a desire. If MagicPiano has such sources, let him now provide them. 96.59.84.189 ( talk) 20:08, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Massachusetts Compulsory School Attendance Law of 1852.
During the time of Governor Boutwell the Massachusetts Compulsory School Law of 1852 was passed - the first measure of its kind in the United States. Surely his position on this measure should be addressed by the article? 2A02:C7D:B5E6:6400:2CC2:C9B5:3C98:FC65 ( talk) 12:17, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
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This asserts that Boutwell was a Presidential elector for Bryan in 1900; should that be ran for? He was not an Elector unless his slate took the state, and Boutwell lived in Massachusetts, which went for McKinley. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:42, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I recommend that this article be improved. Any objections? Cmguy777 ( talk) 21:04, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
On 3-23-2013 I deleted an incorrect reference to the 13th Amendment from the Boutwell article, and my change appeared in the Boutwell article. I included a reference to a source to explain why I made that deletion. After doing so, I hadn't looked at the Boutwell article until today; now I see that my change is apparently still in the article, but I cannot find any history of my change in the View history area. Does that indicate that something is wrong with the way the View history area for this article is working? RW7890 ( talk) 20:59, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Mr. Strummer. I obviously don't know my way around; I see my contribution all spelled out as I wrote it when I click on the "your edit" link you provided but I still nothing about it when I click on the Boutwell article's View History. On 15 May I saw nothing in the my Contributions area, but today when I go to my Contributions area I see the Boutwell contribution that I made. RW7890 ( talk) 21:21, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
I removed undo criticism of Secretary Boutwell and POV. Wikipedia is not meant to bash a person's reputation whether alive or dead. The following has been removed from the article.
Boutwell was also involved, implicated, and investigated in the notorious
Crédit Mobilier scandal of 1872, which please see.
☺
Dick Kimball (
talk)
15:17, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Recent anonymous edits have added the claim that Boutwell "may have been chiefly interested in quarantining African-Americans in the South where they could not compete for the wages of Northern working men." This claim cites an article by Gene Dattel ( link to article PDF), in which he argues that Boutwell supported the idea that several Southern states be "designated exclusive black states". In support of this Dattel quotes a Boutwell speech dated July 20, 1866 (full text available here). The problem is, Dattel's analysis is flawed, and the speech does not IMHO support this claim. Boutwell's argument in the speech is, that if a just policy is not enacted (in Boutwell's opinion, one requiring suffrage for African Americans before a rebellious state is readmitted), then blacks would move north to states where they had voting rights. He's describing this migration as a consequence of a policy he opposes, and is not putting forward any sort of argument about either isolation or "quarantine" (the word presently used in this article).
I have no particular evidence whether Boutwell shared the not-uncommon racist views of many Northern politicians, but this bit does not strike me as a good indicator either way. Dattel's assertion strikes me as a bit of a fringe view, and should (if it is retained at all) not be expressed in the editorial voice. Magic ♪piano 04:19, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
1. The edit says that Boutwell "*may* have been chiefly interested in quarantining African-Americans in the South..." It does *not* say that Boutwell definitely held that view. Thus, the language of the Wikipedia article is moderated from (source) Gene Dattel's statement that "Boutwell advocated civil rights for blacks to keep them in the South."
2. Boutwell's speech states:
"I bid the people, the working peoples of the North, the men who are struggling for subsistence to beware the day when the Southern freedmen shall swarm over the borders in quest of rights which should be secured to them in their own states...An unjust policy on our part...forces [the freedman] from [his] home to those [Northern] states where his rights are protected to the injury of the black man and white man in the North."
Since less than 2% of the population of the Northern states were blacks (as compared to 40% in the South) Boutwell's remark was targeted at the racial fears among the white Northern working class that a migration of freedmen from the South into the Northern states would produce massive new competition for jobs.
3. Gene Dattel's conclusion stated in his September 2015 article is not a fringe opinion. Historian Avery Craven echoed the same verdict in his 1969 book, "Reconstruction,"which is cited at the end of the applicable paragraph in the Wikipedia article. Finally, Gene Dattell is not a "fringe" historian. His book "Cotton and Race in the Making of America" is praised by many respected critics, historians and academic journals. 96.59.84.189 ( talk) 15:02, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
MagicPiano needs to supply evidence, beyond his HO, that Boutwell did not intend to discourage blacks from moving into the Northern states when the Congressman said that failing to give blacks the political rights in the South that they held in *some* Northern states would lead the blacks to "swarm across the borders" into the Northern states. The Congressman further amplified his prediction that a failure of his political agenda would lead to "the bitter penalty (for Northern whites) of transgression" (.i.e. black migration) into the overwhelmingly white Northern states.
Thus, Boutwell's own words clarify that he was aware his political agenda would discourage blacks from migrating to the North from the South and that such discouragement would benefit his voter constituency, which was over 98% white.
It is important to note that Boutwell mentioned no concerns about Southern *white* migration into the Northern states. Instead he revealed his own underlying racism by only warning against *black* migration. HIs racism is further disclosed by his segregationist proposal to set aside Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina as states reserved exclusively for blacks.
I have provided three sources indicating that Boutwell desired to block black migration into the Northern states. In contrast, MagicPiano has provided *no* citations supporting his HO that Boutwell did *not* have such a desire. If MagicPiano has such sources, let him now provide them. 96.59.84.189 ( talk) 20:08, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Massachusetts Compulsory School Attendance Law of 1852.
During the time of Governor Boutwell the Massachusetts Compulsory School Law of 1852 was passed - the first measure of its kind in the United States. Surely his position on this measure should be addressed by the article? 2A02:C7D:B5E6:6400:2CC2:C9B5:3C98:FC65 ( talk) 12:17, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
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