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The ODNB has an article on Gamaliel Lloyd the son, and it gives further information on his brothers George and John. John has to be John Lloyd (scientist) from the list of FRSs, to make the dates fit. Gamaliel, "merchant and political reformer", became involved with Christopher Wyvill. George was a barrister, according to the ODNB.
I'm currently interested in George, in case he is the George Lloyd involved in the Manchester Constitutional Society, which is at least vaguely plausible. Charles Matthews ( talk) 20:55, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm currently working on Thomas Walker (merchant), which is why this comes up. According to The Strange Case of Thomas Walker by Frida Knight (pp.39–40), Walker, Thomas Cooper and George Lloyd "a barrister friend" together attended the 1790 public meeting called by Edward Place (details per the article). This makes it at least quite plausible that the two George Lloyds are one. Knight quotes from pamphlet literature a couple of pages later, suggesting Lloyd had become a follower of Cooper. This all may lead somewhere. Charles Matthews ( talk) 19:41, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Ah, some dates come up. George Lloyd the son was 1750–1805, per [1]; and the member of the Constitution Society died 1805, per [2]. Does look like a match. The first ref has plenty of context. Charles Matthews ( talk) 19:55, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Transactions of the Lancashire and Cheshire Antiquarian Society I can get.
Yes, 1804 seems to be correct. I'm aware of the OR issue, naturally: but in identifications one is always doing "research" of some sort. The article is {{ under construction}} until the references have been sorted out.
George Lloyd the barrister was on the anti-slavery committee, as I have just found out. Samuel Parr wrote him an epitaph, and knew others of the radical group. I'm convinced, but it is not something I'll do anything about right now. Thanks again for your help. Charles Matthews ( talk) 20:45, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Interestingly, the reference I gave above to Katrina Navickas, Loyalism and Radicalism in Lancashire, 1798-1815, p. 35 gives as note 67 a D.Phil. that I had already found asa PDF:[file:///home/chronos/u-aa4e05e32730246a90bb4a94b0e9b57e475b436c/Downloads/602327180.pdf.pdf] It pretty much meets what WP:RS says about dissertations, with all those caveats. It doesn't mention Lloyd! It has plenty about Walker and others though, in particular his later life. Charles Matthews ( talk) 10:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
See Talk:Thomas Walker (merchant)#George Lloyd for how things have been left. Charles Matthews ( talk) 11:13, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
John Lloyd describes himself as "An Old Chorltonian" on the titlepage of the book being from the old village. When he died in 1991 the South Manchester Reporter reported his membership of many transport history societies and that his grandmother was a draper in Beech Road. An article in the Stretford & Urmston Journal (1978?) gives much more information about him: he was then 64 and his mother Edith was 92. The research for The Township of Chorlton-cum-Hardy took him 18 months and he says he decided to write it because of all the enquiries he got from children (he was a teacher at Chorlton Boys' Grammar School from 1947 until he resigned in 1973: comprehensive education was not to his liking). It is unlikely there is any connection with the two George Lloyds who owned land in Chorlton: the Lloyd's Hotel was an enterprise of James Platt and has a coat of arms of the Lloyd family on the front. George Lloyd resided at Stockton Hall in Yorkshire so Stockton was given to Stockton Road south of High Lane.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 19:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)"-- Johnsoniensis ( talk) 16:42, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
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The ODNB has an article on Gamaliel Lloyd the son, and it gives further information on his brothers George and John. John has to be John Lloyd (scientist) from the list of FRSs, to make the dates fit. Gamaliel, "merchant and political reformer", became involved with Christopher Wyvill. George was a barrister, according to the ODNB.
I'm currently interested in George, in case he is the George Lloyd involved in the Manchester Constitutional Society, which is at least vaguely plausible. Charles Matthews ( talk) 20:55, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm currently working on Thomas Walker (merchant), which is why this comes up. According to The Strange Case of Thomas Walker by Frida Knight (pp.39–40), Walker, Thomas Cooper and George Lloyd "a barrister friend" together attended the 1790 public meeting called by Edward Place (details per the article). This makes it at least quite plausible that the two George Lloyds are one. Knight quotes from pamphlet literature a couple of pages later, suggesting Lloyd had become a follower of Cooper. This all may lead somewhere. Charles Matthews ( talk) 19:41, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Ah, some dates come up. George Lloyd the son was 1750–1805, per [1]; and the member of the Constitution Society died 1805, per [2]. Does look like a match. The first ref has plenty of context. Charles Matthews ( talk) 19:55, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Transactions of the Lancashire and Cheshire Antiquarian Society I can get.
Yes, 1804 seems to be correct. I'm aware of the OR issue, naturally: but in identifications one is always doing "research" of some sort. The article is {{ under construction}} until the references have been sorted out.
George Lloyd the barrister was on the anti-slavery committee, as I have just found out. Samuel Parr wrote him an epitaph, and knew others of the radical group. I'm convinced, but it is not something I'll do anything about right now. Thanks again for your help. Charles Matthews ( talk) 20:45, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Interestingly, the reference I gave above to Katrina Navickas, Loyalism and Radicalism in Lancashire, 1798-1815, p. 35 gives as note 67 a D.Phil. that I had already found asa PDF:[file:///home/chronos/u-aa4e05e32730246a90bb4a94b0e9b57e475b436c/Downloads/602327180.pdf.pdf] It pretty much meets what WP:RS says about dissertations, with all those caveats. It doesn't mention Lloyd! It has plenty about Walker and others though, in particular his later life. Charles Matthews ( talk) 10:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
See Talk:Thomas Walker (merchant)#George Lloyd for how things have been left. Charles Matthews ( talk) 11:13, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
John Lloyd describes himself as "An Old Chorltonian" on the titlepage of the book being from the old village. When he died in 1991 the South Manchester Reporter reported his membership of many transport history societies and that his grandmother was a draper in Beech Road. An article in the Stretford & Urmston Journal (1978?) gives much more information about him: he was then 64 and his mother Edith was 92. The research for The Township of Chorlton-cum-Hardy took him 18 months and he says he decided to write it because of all the enquiries he got from children (he was a teacher at Chorlton Boys' Grammar School from 1947 until he resigned in 1973: comprehensive education was not to his liking). It is unlikely there is any connection with the two George Lloyds who owned land in Chorlton: the Lloyd's Hotel was an enterprise of James Platt and has a coat of arms of the Lloyd family on the front. George Lloyd resided at Stockton Hall in Yorkshire so Stockton was given to Stockton Road south of High Lane.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 19:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)"-- Johnsoniensis ( talk) 16:42, 31 December 2020 (UTC)